As many of us have. So the scenario described in the OP

• Obama's grandmother and the media coverage - sm
  • I've always wondered the true family ties here - nm
  • Exactly my thoughts...... - not so easily fooled...........nm
    • You're overlooking a race more important than 2008 election. - Here's a hint....sm
      • You don't like the post, talk to the poster above - who posted it.............NM
        • BTDT. This is an equally offensive opportunity. - Stand by my original response to YP. nm
          • What really bothers you? The post or that someone - agreed with the post?
          • Whatever floats your boat - nm
  • In your rush to judgment, - did it every occur to you that....sm
    • I didn't rush my judgment, I have had - sm
      • As many of us have. So the scenario described in the OP - Would sound more plausible...sm
        • So you can't acknowledge there may have been - family considerations? Fine by me. nm
          • Family considerations? What, they're schedules - are too busy, too??
            • I meant their (I was wording it differently and then - edited) nm
        • I would feel the same about it either way. - nm
  • for 3 days he's been fixing to get there? - JoePlumberforPrez
    • This confirms our worst suspicions. Certain pubs factions - really are invaders from outer space...sm
  • I believe he did drop everything and go - gourdpainter
  • I don't know the whole situation, so won't judge his decision nm - nm
  • I agree with you. - Chele

The messages you are viewing are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select the boards given in left menu

'facts', not as it related to your post.  Since we invaded Iraq, we have not had a terror attack on the United States.  Do you see a correlation there or is this just a coincidence. Also, knowing the history of Islam, do you really think the fires needed stoking in that regard to hate us more?  Exactly what led up to the escalating terror attacks against the United States?  What was the final goal and would it have ended with 9/11.  I think not.  Those fires don't need stoking. They have been burning since 500 years after the birth of Christ.  I don't for a moment believe that the invasion of Iraq all of a sudden made them hate us.  Gaddafi said, during Reagan's presidency, that he would not rest until every American was dead in his bed.  Haven't heard a peep out of him since Reagan bombed him.  

Can You Imagine George Bush by Another Name? by Beth Quinn   There is a courtroom scene in the movie A Time to Kill that comes to mind when I hear Bush fans blindly defend their president. The movie is about the black father of a little girl who is raped, beaten and thrown off a bridge by two white men in Mississippi. Knowing that justice won't be served for a black child, her father kills her attackers and goes on trial for murder. The scene that comes to mind these crazy days is this: The defense attorney knows this heartbroken father is facing an all-white jury. And this jury will be incapable of putting themselves in the shoes of a black man. So the lawyer asks them to close their eyes as he describes in excruciating detail the attack the little girl endured. Can you see it? he asks. Can you see her being tortured? And then he tells them: Now imagine she was white. It is a similar use of imagination that I would ask the blind faithful in Bush's camp to try. Please, just close your eyes for a moment as I catalog the abuses George Bush has committed against our country. And then imagine he is Bill Clinton, a man you're predisposed to hate - and tell me you would still defend those actions. When you consider that George Bush declared war in Iraq based on a lie, close your eyes and imagine it was Bill Clinton who had told that lie. Keep your eyes closed and picture it. In fairness and honesty, would you defend him? When you consider that George Bush has been secretly and illegally spying on Americans, close your eyes and concentrate. Picture how you would react if it were Clinton wiretapping our phones. Would you defend him? When you consider that George Bush partied for days at his Texas ranch while New Orleans was dying, close your eyes and picture Clinton partying on Martha's Vineyard. Can you see it? Can you imagine Clinton ignoring the plight of thousands of homeless and dying? Would you defend him? When you consider that George Bush continues to promote the lie that we do not torture even as he declares the right to violate McCain's amendment barring torture, squeeze your eyes tight and picture it. Can you see Clinton defying the Geneva Convention and Congress? Would you defend him? When you consider that George Bush has paid journalists to promote his propaganda, close your eyes and imagine Clinton buying off the Fourth Estate. Would you like that? Would you defend him? When you consider that George Bush continues to send our young men and women into danger in Iraq without protective armor, then hides their coffins from the cameras when they are sent home dead, close your eyes and imagine Clinton doing such a thing. Is this a good thing? Would you defend him? In the movie, the jurors' collective eyes pop open when the defense lawyer asks them to imagine the little victim was white. It's clear they have seen the light and justice will be done. In real life, blind allegiance is no better than blind hatred. Both spring from fear and ignorance. It would be gratifying if the Bush defenders were to open their own eyes to see this president for what he really is. George Bush, by any name, is nothing more than a power-mad liar. There are 1,091 days 'til Inauguration 2009. ### Printer Friendly Version E-Mail This Article
	FAIR USE NOTICE

One case scenario that happens regarding employed people getting health insurance through their employers is this. Unfortunately recessions happen. A covered person is laid off. Yes, they can continue coverage through COBRA. Some recessions are long lasting, the laid off person cannot find employment for months or longer. The bills meanwhile are racking up, if there are any savings it not so slowly gets eaten up, and the COBRA coverage is not cheap, to the tune of $600.00 a month or more. That person may very well want to hold onto their coverage but simply cannot.  They have to drop the coverage. Hopefully this person eventually is able to get another job that also has health insurance benefits. They then have to go through another pre-existing condition waiting period as they had to drop their insurance and therefore lost their continuous coverage provision. Maybe that person falls seriously ill during that period with some pre-existing condition, and ...financially ruined for the rest of their life as a result..through no fault of their own.

Yes, there are people who are able to afford health insurance but have a devil may care attitude...until they become ill, but there are many other scenarios that are occurring as well, and occurring more frequently. 

Another problem is due to the high cost of health insurance fewer and fewer employers are even offering benefits, which leaves working people to attempt to secure individual policies, and in that market anyone can be denied coverage. It does not even have to be a "major" health condition. Heath insurance companies can, and do, deny people coverage due to "run of the mill" problems such as a little hypothyroidism, or that they broke a few bones as a kid while growing up. 

I certainly don't have the answers, but tis rather a mess.

using Hitler....Hitler was the terrorist.  The Nazis were the terrorists.  They were exterminating the Jews because of race.  They had no other reason other than they didn't like them.

You cannot compare what we are doing to what Hitler did.  The rendition and the assassination of key terrorist members saves innocent lives where Hitler did nothing but destroy innocent lives.

I do not see us lining up all Muslims and exterminating them, sending them to concentration camps, etc.  We are going after extremists who would love nothing more than to exterminate us. 

I highly doubt that if we were taken over by terrorists or you were in a building that they were planning on bombing....the fact that you disagree with our treatment towards terrorist prisoners will mean absolutely nothing to them.  They will still blow you up or cut your head off.  These are not people that you can talk to civilly or change their mind.  They are on a mission to exterminate infidels....that includes you and me and our family and friends.  So seriously....think about that the next time you want to set them free or be nice to them.