Are you old enough to vote? Hope not,
Posted By: Because you sure are misinformed. szq on 2008-09-10
In Reply to: Great, Obama has "class" and a terrorist friend - or two, or three. -can hardly wait. nm
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You better hope he does split the vote...
because that is the ONLY way Billary will get elected.
And oh...by the way...if Ron Paul IS elected and Republicans get back a majority in COngress....your little gravy train is going to derail big time.
One can only hope.
Good for him. I hope they all show up to vote...
to offset the 3-5 million they say are coming over from Hillary supporters. Apparently all Democrats are not of the party unity above all else bent. Go PUMA. Doesn't matter who shows up at any arena...matters who shows up at the polls. Heck, if I was in Denver, I would be going...I enjoy a good spectacle. And I would venture a guess that that is what most of those 87,000 are...a chance to be present when history is made. Which is a wonderful thing. Let Obama have his moment, rock star stage or not. He is making history. I will certainly give him that.
I think Obama will ask his voters to vote for who he wants in; I hope not though! nm
I agree neither choice is great, but will vote McCain just as a vote against Obama. nm
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A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
Good point. I don't vote party, I vote for the
person. Every Democrat is not bad and every Republican good or vice versa.
Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm
not help you. Obama wants to give tax relief to 90% of Americans who earn 1% of the gross earnings in this country. The top 1% of earners bring in 90% of earnings. Any one person who earns $250,000 or less will benefit from Obama's tax plan.
they didn't vote - they registered to vote -
that is a big difference. The votes were not counted, they were stopped by the means in which they were supposed to be stopped - ID verification, address verification, etc. The cards were filled out by the ACORN workers and then given to the proper authorities to sort through.
The phony registrations were pulled out by the actual authorities. ACORN is just a middle man.
We get what we vote for. If we vote "party", we get extremes.
If we make it a point to try to identify candidates who hold moderate views and vote for them, rather than voting a "party ticket", we'll have a better chance of getting away from these extremes, whether right or left.
One of the problems, though, is that candidates often play games with their real positions. During the primaries, they talk the "party" line and then they move to the center for the general election. Both sides do this, unfortunately.
The only hope is to look at their past records - and take them seriously. History is prologue to the future. When a man has done certain things in his adult life, it tells us more about him than anything he says. If Obama hasn't taught us this fundamental truth, we'll never learn it. The evidence about him goes all the way back to his days in law school, and it was available for anyone to see. Some didn't bother to look. Others looked and didn't take it seriously. Either way, we weren't paying attention or he'd have probably never made it through the primaries.
No one can pull the wool over your eyes unless you let them, and the way they do it is by making smooth speeches filled with unlikely promises (and even glaring contradictions as they appeal to groups with opposite interests). They believe we won't notice the lies, exaggerations and mischaracterizations of their opponent's positions, etc. Unfortunately, they are often right.
Let's start taking the candidates' prior records and their life histories as the best evidence of who they really are - not their speeches. If we do this, we'll make better choices.
Good for Joe! I hope so. And I hope he sues...
the governor of the state of Ohio from now to next week. He should. They BIG time violated his civil rights. If this situation was reversed and he was a Dem who had asked McCain a question and a state had had him investigated, the ACLU would be all over this like ugly on an ape. Liberals only care about other liberals...they could care LESS what happens to conservatives. But yeah, they are all about civil liberties. Geez. Pull the other leg awhile.
I sure hope not...I hope he has extra, extra protection sm
I think regardless of which candidate wins they will need extra security this time.
She's got my vote
Nominate Cindy Sheehan for Time Magazine Person of the Year - Pass it on!
I'd vote for him
as long as he is a real man and not some man who cowers to every poll or what his wife tells him to do. We need more real men in this country who say what they do and do what they say. I think men are tired of being disrespected and not being, well, men. I think you are right. We as a people need to elect and everyday fly-over-country Joe to the presidency. The type of Joe that still realizes what made this country great. God, glory, and guts. My pastor was just commenting on that this morning.
vote war?
If you like war, empire building, big government then you are safe in voting for any of the candidates running for the presidential office, except for one: Ron Paul.
The agendas are all headed in the same direction, so you really do not have to worry about which one to vote for for.
Ron Paul is the only candidate with a different agenda. And of course, should he win, he cannot make changes overnight. But he could lead us in the direction of limited government, sound money, peace and constitutional law. Paul's ideas and principles are not new, but are similar to those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others.
I will vote Ron Paul.
I will vote for either one.
I consider it my job to get a dem elected this time, that's why I don't take part in the arguments about them.
don't vote
Please don't vote. If you can't see all the atrocious things that our current tyrant (err I mean president) has done and how he has damaged America in the world, please don't vote. I would really hate to see someone who has never bothered to open their eyes to the way the world is and taken the time to educate themselves in politics or world issues voting for someone in this election. I think all those people should just stay home because they have no idea what they are voting for or what that person might stand for.
And btw, if anyone was the antichrist it would be Bush and McCain. D-E-V-I-L.
Don't vote?
Who are you to decide who should vote and who should not? Just because people don't have the same political beliefs you do doesn't mean they should sit home on election day! Sounds like if you had your way, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen!
Why vote at all
People have been "dumbed down" into believing they have to vote. Why doesn't anyone realize...our vote doesn't count. There's no way I'll vote for McCain and I'm not sure about Obama. My no vote for me is a statement. Sure you can write in anyone you want, you can say none of the above but why even bother. It's not going to make a difference. Those ballots will just be thrown in the trash without a second thought. Whoever is our next president has already been picked. We're just watching the side show until the election day. Then it will be reported to make it look to the people that we have a say in who is elected president. The simple truth is we don't. I was talking to my dad and he said this year he's not going to vote. He told a co-worker why do you feel you have to vote, it does no good. But unfortunately a lot of people think the same way - that their vote counts. I'm not voting and then if something gets messed up none of my family or friends can "blame" me that I voted for him. So my choice this year is to not vote.
Vote
I am African American born in 1958. The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. I remember my father telling me to always vote. I will never give up my right to vote even if others think our vote does not count. There was a time when my parents could not vote at all. I will think long and hard on who to vote for and will vote for the lesser of two evils.
I vote Dem because I believe
in the principles they stand for. I am not against voting for a repub . . . just have never seen one whose priorities are the same as mine. If they did have same priorities, they would be a democrat. Flame away.
Why would the DNC want you to vote?
To support THEIR agenda of course! lol
how to vote
Truthfully, I don't know which one of the candidates is better, or which one is worse. Corruption is everywhere. Maybe there is no real good answer, and it's all an exercise in futility. I'm still going to vote, just because it's something that I do. However, at this point, I might as well just flip a coin. Actually, lately, I've just been looking at the candidates from a health and vitality standpoint. Which ones are the healthiest? Which ones seem to be in a position to withstand stress better than the other? Experience seems important, but if everything else is pretty equal, health is all that's left to compare, IMHO.
one vote
good thing you only get one vote.
Isn't there someone else we can vote for? sm
Are these two guys, McCain and Obama, the only choices we have? Realistically? Nader is never gonna win, so he isn't. What would happen if we all did a write-in?
It has come down to voting for Communism or More of the Same. As I don't want to be a Communist, I guess I'll vote for More of the Same.
Also, all this arguing about government-run healthcare...Anybody been to the VA recently???? Gee that is working so very well for us.
There's my 2 cents. Have at it!
HC
Vote
Hi! You are absoultely correct. EVERY vote from EVERY state should matter.
I live in one of the battleground states (PA), so my vote will matter I this election. However we were told from January 2008 until the primary that our choice would not matter because it was so late the candidates will have already been chosen......McCain already had been but CLinton vs Obama was still very close.
I do not wish to share my political views, only state that EACH vote from EACH state should carry the same signtificance.
No wonder so many in our country are so apathetic. It must feel awful to have your vote mean nothing.We are disenfranchising most of the population. This is not government of the people, or for the people regardless of your political peferences.
I know what you mean. A vote for O is like a vote to
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Before you vote, you should see this
If you are looking for something you don't like, keep it to your self and vote the
way you want. Nobody cares what you think.
No need to, we will just vote!
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Yes, old enough to vote...
In fact, I voted for OBAMA on Oct. 16 and proud of it. Are you PROUD of who you are voting for? I think not. Not deep down. Admit it.
I VOTE for M not O, my bad
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Did he really vote that way? NO
Its nice to listen to the candidates' stump speeches and repeat them here --- but please, again, check your facts.
You will find that he did not vote to raise taxes, and the raise the taxes on incomes of $42,000 bill had other benefits written into it that would help the middle class. When bills are written, they usually have a number of things written in them. You have to weigh the priority of a bill. It's not as simple as vote against raising taxes because there my be something in that same bill that would be more beneficial than a 1-2% raise on taxes, so you vote for it.
Guess what -- McCain voted for this same bill to raise taxes on those making over $42,000, but he won't tell you that.
Again -- be informed and know what you don't know before you start telling others you do know what you don't know.
If you are a staunch republican or staunch democrat -- that's cool too -- vote, your choice, but please educate yourself before you start trying to educate others.
Vote as you please, but please vote. sm
I'm going just as soon as I finish my coffee. Then I will be watching the returns later this evening. :o)
For those who cannot vote....
I received an email from a friend who lives in St. Thomas, USVI. Although the Virgin Islands are US territory and my friend is a US citizen, born and raised in Wisconsin and moved to St. Thomas in her 40s, and they are governed from the US government, she and her husband are not entitled to vote, not even by absentee ballot. I don't know why, but that is what she told me. She sent an email imploring all of us who live here to get out and vote because she is deprived of this great privilege and wanted to say we should all remember we are that we do have the election process. Isn't that the truth? What a great privilege it is. Let's hope we all remember just how lucky we are and take advantage of our right to vote.
I vote that from now on
candidates can only campaign in song! :-D
Did my vote come out okay?
Here is what happened to me today. I go and vote and I get up to the machine with this little card that looks like a debit card. I put it in the machine and the screen says sorry, your ballot has been canceled, please see pollworker. So I take my card up to the pollworker booth, where three little very old ladies are working it and the one lady has these cards spread all over the table, waiting for them to be handed out for voting. I tell her what the computer said about my ballot. She takes my card and sets it down in front of her with all the other cards that look exactly alike. I am trying to keep my eye on MY card. She moves it around a few times while she is talking to this other lady, trying to decide what this all means. I loose my card in the shuffle. So then this other lady takes what she thinks is my card, asks me if this is my card and I say I dont know????? She then leads me over to the booth and places it in the voting machine and then the screen comes up for me to vote, so it is working. I vote and cast my ballot. I return my card to the pollworker and leave. So, I dont really understand it all but did my vote get messed up? They reuse these cards for everyone, so what if this card WASNT my card?? Does it matter. I was so MAD. I mean this isnt some backyard BBQ or a garage sale or something, this is IMPORTANT and this is MY vote. I couldnt believe the way they were running this show. Very disappointed.
What if the vote had gone the other way?
Would there have been a problem then with the concept of majority rules?
I mean, I didn't vote for Obama. But the majority rules and he was elected. Can I say now WAHHH!!!! That isn't fair!
Don't know why it was put to a vote
I'm on the other side of the country and didn't pay much attention to how it ended up being put to a vote, but it WAS put to a vote, with the implication certainly being that the majority WOULD rule. So, it's done.
She would have my vote. nm
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LOL! and they vote! nm
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I still can't see how they can vote.
In my state/county, I had to show 2 IDs (SSN and driver's license) before I could register to vote and every time I went to vote, I had to show my voter ID card. In fact, because the street address where I lived changed 3 times since I registered, I had to go through the whole process again 2 years ago and was not allowed to vote.
So, how can illegals vote?
have to say hope you are so right!
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I hope so, too.
Can only hope and pray. 
sure hope this comes out.
Certainly something nice for kids to see a president do, flash the birdie.
It would be my hope---
That a concerted effort would have ALWAYS been made to keep bashing down on BOTH sides by the moderator.
I noticed that the posts below one of my recent entries were all deleted. It makes me feel bad that the time and effort put into those posts were lost. I guess that's the chance we take on a privately-moderated forum and I should have been prepared for that.
I really really hope that you..
or anyone in your family never become disabled in any way, that no one in your family will marry or adopt a minority member, that mental illness or mental deficiency never crosses your doorstep, that someone in your family converts to another faith, that you never lose your job, your savings, your house, your car or anything else you hold dear. I hope you never lose your family and/or friends and have to go it alone. I hope you are never put into a situation where you are frightened and have not a clue what to do. I hope you never lose health or home or car insurance or are rejected for a claim you might make and have to pay yourself and find that you can't. I hope you and your family never make a mistake, especially one that is made public in any way. I do not think those of you who are always pounding the **victim** **entitlement** drum would have absolutely no idea how to deal with what great numbers of Americans deal with every day. The real arrogance is that you believe you have arrived at this superior status on your own. Most of us were born with a leg up; a lot of us were not. Those with the leg up got a big free jump ahead 300 spaces. We were born into the families we were, in the country we were and Creator, not us, is responsible for that.
As far as the people in Lebanon, they flew in to the Beirut airport of their own accord. Since the airport was blown up, other measures needed to be explored. What would you have done??
Let us hope you are also the last.
This is the liberal board and you are to refrain from personal attacks. I am sure you will now make endless excuses about the nasty comments made regarding Raven/Lurker's ideology (as well as anyone else foolish enough to post on a LIBERAL board daring to espouse a LIBERAL philosophy), and the Liberal board will once again because a far right-wing poster child for short-sighted philosophy of war and dumbfoundingly ignorant accusations against all Democrats/liberals/or-anyone-with-half-a-brain-who-has-a-conscience. I await this result, ad nauseum.
I hope you are right - I truly am.
You are correct. I cannot stand either of them. It literally makes me ill to watch them. Don't ask me why because I just can't put my finger on it, but when she or Bill is speaking I find my stomach gets nauseous - and I voted for him the first time he ran. I was for him for about his first 2 years in office, then I started learning more and more about he and Hillary and what their plans were. Guess I was blinded by the lies and when it all started coming out I realized the person he was as president and the person who ran for president were two different people. I think its just basically because they are such manipulating liars and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone believes anything they say. I have not yet found anything they say to be credible. You know when everyone talks about Richard Nixon they'll say what a bad person he was he was impeached and once he left office nobody paid attention to him. If they mentioned his name all I kept hearing was "impeached, impeached", but when you hear Bill's followers will never say "he was impeached". You know I really didn't have a hard time with them at all until after I started reading about their history and all the illegal things they've done throughout their careers to get where they are (and they got away with it). I told my DH, so-n-so went to jail for that, what is keeping these two out, especially when there is proof of what they've done. They'll come out and say such-n-such a person does this or that (eluding to something imoral), when in fact they have done the same exact thing. But then again all politicians do it. It also made me nauseous when we tried explaining to my MIL things he was doing (illegal things) and her only come back was "but he's so cute". That's all she had for an answer to everything. "Hey mom, do you realize he lied to America? and do you realize this was illegal?" - "Yes, but he's so good looking and it was only a little lie". Ignorance like that is just what really irritates me to the core.
I know I have to calm down. I was real calm when I turned off the TV and stopped seeing those two faces, but then I go and turn on the news and they are still in it - so off the TV will go again.
I do understand they are an influential part of politics - why for the life of me I don't know. He's an impeached ex president. Nothing more. He didn't do anything to improve the lives of Americans - he put us deeper in debt. Taxes were the highest when he was in office than anyone can remember. Okay, in all fairness I do give Hillary credit for being the first female to get as far as she has running for present, but that's about all the credit I give her. If her values are to teach young girls that they can lie, cheat and steal to get whatever they want, along with crying when you don't get your own way, telling people you are staying in because an assassination could happen in June and you need to be there to pick up the pieces? (Those were her words no matter what way anyone wants to spin it). Oh my!!! Well that's not a characteristic I would ever want any of my children to daughters to have. Not only through her campaign, but also things she has done and said in her political career and as first lady also factor into why I think she is just a horrible person. At the convention I do see her as an important person (maybe in my last post I didn't think so, but I do think it is important for her to be there), but the impeached ex-president should not. He disgraced the office and the trust that millions (well I don't know if it was millions but it was a lot) had in him. He used his position as president to keep having his affairs, and other stuff he did. I can't even imagine what Monica was thinking when the guy that she was in love with and was sleeping with (even though he was married) when he was asked why he had an affair he said "because I could". Not because I love her, or even because I care about her. No "because I could". The respect he shows towards women is Zero. Everyone will talk about John Edwards, how awful he had an affair. Or John McCain, how awful what he called his wife and what he did to his wife, but people are excusing what Bill Clinton did. Why? Oh I forgot "because he's so good looking". He may do a lot for races (people of color), but I think its all a sham. I don't know about Fox news cos I don't listen to them (got tired of one viewpoint all the time), but just listen to the comments he makes "Barack's only winning because he's black". "Barack won such-n-such an area because that's where Jesse Jackson won", etc, etc. The comments go on and on. His statements he makes in public to me show me that he is a racist and that's why I said he can hide behind his walls but he will always be a racist in my opinion. And giving people of color jobs that didn't even pay enough that they could support themselves and still had to get food stamps, while taking away good paying jobs from other people to ship them over seas (NAFTA), well that also lessened my respect for him and what he was doing to America and American's. He never cared about me or other people in America and the people who were getting the big tax breaks were the 1% of the wealthiest (those same people they claim Bush gives the tax breaks to). My family, my friends, and my families friends were all losing their jobs and houses while he was president. So I guess that's another reason why I can't stand him.
I do think that Hillary might be able to help bring the party together but I really don't believe Bill would. People like to see him speak - sure he is a mesmerizing person (although when I see him the hair on the back of my neck stands up and there is just something creepy and evil about him). I really do not think we should be having someone who disgraced the office of president and was impeached speak at the convention. Go if he wants to of course, but he should not be allowed to speak. Did the republicans have Richard Nixon speak? No because he was impeached and disgraced the office.
I just think those two are the sleeziest couple in politics. Although I do have to say there are a bunch more who are equally as sleezy, but they do stand out at the top.
So those are my lowly opinions. I'm sorry I feel that way, I wish I felt better about them but I just don't.
I truly hope that I never have to
depend on someone else's hard earned money to support myself and my family. Even if I had to, I would work hard to get back on my own two feet as soon as I could. I truly do hope things get better because things are truly scary right now. My husband runs a car dealership and he makes the money in our family. However, car sales are down so low right now that I don't even want to think about the money he will be losing come bonus check time.
I just feel like these government programs keep the little guy down. I thought the whole idea was assist people so they can better their situation and then become self-supporting. Instead...we have more and more people living off of the government with no plan or intent of trying to better their situation. They just want that monthly check.
I just think that taking more money from the hard workers and giving it away doesn't show much incentive to work hard in life. Why bother. The more you make, the more they take while people who don't work at all live off of your hard-earned money that is taken away from you.
Stop enabling people to mooch off of the government. The numbers will only rise and get worse.
I hope so
I hope the crap hits the fan and he never steps foot in office.....
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