Any plot is despicable - but it goes on both sides - sm
Posted By: Kaydie on 2008-10-27
In Reply to: And here we go, breaking news ... - lefty louie
I don't care who it goes for. However, you are blaming her for what a bunch of crazed lunatics were planning. She wasn't planning it but you make is sound as if she was.
I, as many others, do believe our troops will not be safe under an Obama regime. Just look at his voting record and how he says he will handle the war. He voted "NO" on ensuring that our troops serving in harms way remain Americas top budget priority by ensuring full funding. That means he voted no on the funding to ensure our troops would remain safe. I would say Gov. Palin has it correct. You cannot ignore the facts.
If anything happens to Obama I would say the direct person who should be held accountable is Hillary Clinton and possibly her husband (?) Bill. She came out and said it on camera. "The reason I'm staying in the race is we all should remember Kennedy was assisinated, right?"
If you talk about hate-mongering, lets talk about the crowds at the Obama rallies shouting out nasty and hateful things about McCain/Palin, the dummy of Palin hanging, how bout the rocks thrown through a glass plate window of the republican headquarters. What about the spray painted words "Republicans equal slavery" in NY and then they stole 45 signs and spray painted over a banner messages and letters that included symbols sometimes used by gangs. What about Palins motorcade that was attacked by Obama supporters. Here's a link (it's even from CNN, which I was surprised). Gov. Palin had to have been terrified. Talk about feeling like the Rodney King riots were back.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YeVBaM2lQsg
Each side has their own hate-mongerers and both sides do it well. Luckily there are those like us who just disagree with the other side, but we don't commit violence.
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Despicable -- your post is what is despicable here. nm
Both sides should have a choice, on both sides, pregnant woman and doctor...nm
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and the plot thickens...
Plame and her husband are suing Cheney, Rove, Libby and 10 other unnamed administration officials. Now this should be interesting.
On another note, watched W today in Germany. The axis of evil is multiplying, add Syria to the list of those we are waging war on, the war on terror that is. This is like trying to wage a war on anger...it just will never end. There will always be somebody to take the last person's place and evidently there will always be another country to preempt because they are evil and harbor terrorists and the end justifies the means no matter what and we will stay the course no matter what ...blah, blah, blah...if I were not so afraid of these idiots in the white house I would be completely disgusted.
Right. Where they can plot again to attack us.
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The plot was by The Aryan Nations
The Aryan Nations is a racist, antisemitic, white supremacist hate group. It is the political arm of the White Identity Church of Jesus Christ-Christian, long led by Richard Butler. The movement promotes the heresy known as Christian Identity.
Another example of a Christian terrorist group.
What actual credible plot was NOT
many bombs struck your neighborhood? Girl, you need to get a life! Oh, that's right, you said you did already. Transcribing 3500 lines a day, then the rest of a day stirring the pot on an internet forum just isn't my idea of a life.
The plot was to first kill 88 black children in a school...
then to behead 14 other non-white children and then make an attempt, that they did not expect to be fruitful, to kill Obama. These were skin heads and I think that the greater point was that they were trying to kill children. I am clearly conservative and I think the whole thing is disgusting, but certainly not McCain's or Palin's fault. I am sure they find it dispicable, as well!
This is despicable.
He did the right thing by resigning. Now he needs to be prosecuted.
your despicable is my
colorful colloguilism. Common everyday. Like lipstick on a pitbull - why is that not despicable? splitting hairs and not focusing on the issues that concern our nation. O will not be sidetracked by silly season; he is a constitutional lawyer, knows distraction when he sees it.
that is despicable, serious they are saying that?
I thought the FBI was supposed to be pulling these people from the rallies.
If Barak is such a terrorist, why would JM share a stage with him, shake his hand, talk with his family?
How about despicable filth? sm
That's what Chomsky is. Of course I was not there. But historically, it is well documented. And I posted a wonderful link below about the three pillars on which Hitler based his Reich. Well documented historically in all history books. History Channel, too. All documented. Right there in black and white. Yep.
despicable post
you should be ashamed
Despicable party. The WTC would probably still
Both phrases were despicable....nm
Both uttered by the democratic candidate, to "manufacture" outrage....or humor if you're a dem.....as dems think it's funny...
It's called rude, crade, base, name calling, no matter how you phrase things after. NO matter how much you add another comment to make it look like you're talking about something else. You got your point across, that you think Palin is a pig, and you think McCain is an old fish that stinks.
Nice.
I think it's fair game to repeat Gov. Palin's own lipstick comment comparing to a pitbull, as everyone always calls surrogates in this race "pitbulls" that attack the other side, so to speak.
But this just shows you what Obama is really like.....real nice, isn't he?
Actually ANY slander is despicable, also in our
daily life.
So much hatred in this posting, despicable..
Is it allowed to talk like that about
The President of the United States of America?
This is SLANDER !
Maybe they find it despicable but they're fueling it.
Just when I think Bush and crew have reached their despicable peak...
... I discover something even more despicable. This isn't a new story, but I just heard it for the first time on TV tonight.
I'm at the point where I seriously hope this cold-hearted, dim-witted MORON gets impeached, because I'm sick of all his BU_ _SH _ _!!!!
(WARNING: Read quickly before the CON crew censors this post and demands it be deleted.)
On CBS News's Face the Nation yesterday, Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del.) told Bob Schieffer that the Defense Department policy forbids him from paying his respects to fallen soldiers as their coffins return to the US through the Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. Though no cameras and no press would accompany him, Biden said he had to receive express permission from the Pentagon to join a grieving family that had requested his presence as they met their deceased son who died in a car bomb in Iraq.
I'm allowed in the military base. I'm not allowed to go to the mortuary, he said.
Senator Biden added that it is his understanding that the policy originates with Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.
In April 2004, published photographs of flag-draped coffins arriving at the Dover Air Force Base in Delaware prompted the Pentagon to ban the release of such pictures. After Ralph J. Begleiter, a University of Delaware professor and former CNN correspondent, filed a Freedom of Information Act request, the Pentagon reversed the ban in April 2005 and released 361 undated, unlabelled pictures of coffins arriving at Dover Air Force Base.
Read excerpts of the CBS News transcript:
SCHIEFFER: You talk about not fully informing the American people. There's no question that the administration has at least discouraged people from reporting on casualties there. For example, the casualties all the people who have been killed in Iraq come back through the...
Sen. BIDEN: True.
SCHIEFFER: ...Air Force base in Delaware.
Sen. BIDEN: In Dover.
SCHIEFFER: Do you ever go out to meet those flights out there?
Sen. BIDEN: I've tried to and they will not allow me to. As a matter of fact...
SCHIEFFER: Who will not allow you to?
Sen. BIDEN: The Defense Department. Look...
SCHIEFFER: Wait a minute. You're a United States senator.
Sen. BIDEN: I'm a United States senator. Well, let me be very...
SCHIEFFER: They're not letting you on a military base?
Sen. BIDEN: I'm allowed in the military base. I'm not allowed to go to the mortuary. I'm not allowed to be there when the flag-draped casket comes in. As a matter of fact, Bob, one family asked me whether I would meet their son who was tragically gunned down, actually car bomb in Iraq. This is several months ago. I said I would be honored to be with them. They wanted me to come with the minister. They wanted me through the whole process. The commander of the base told me that he couldn't allow that to happen and he's a friend--this is not like there's no hostility there; I'm on the base all the time--until he cleared it with the Pentagon. And I'm told the civilian leadership in the Pentagon. So in order for me to literally go in and accompany a mom and a dad and a son to pick up the body of a dead son, a young Marine killed in Iraq, I was not just able to do it as a senior United States senator, former chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee--not like I'm new to this. I had to get specific permission for that specific event. I wanted to go when more than one Marine came back dead and I just wanted to show my respect. I didn't want any press there. There was no press. We weren't talking about that.
SCHIEFFER: So you think it is the secretary of Defense himself who's blocking you?
Sen. BIDEN: Well, that's my understanding. I don't know that for a fact, but it's not the military. It's the civilian decision in the Defense Department that you're not allowed to be there just to show respects. And let me emphasize here now. No press. No cameras. Nothing. I have made it a practice. The reason I've gone to Afghanistan, Kosovo, Bosnia is to demonstrate to those troops there that I understand what's going on and to be with them. No press. And they won't even let me on the base. Now, look, I'm not...
Ms. TUMULTY: Why? Why do you think that is?
Sen. BIDEN: They have this generic policy that it is a private matter. Well, I don't know any family that would--maybe there is--but I don't know any family that if a member of the government, a high-ranking official, was there just to pay their respects--and, look, this is heart-wrenching stuff. I mean, you were saying--maybe I shouldn't say this--before the show how it gets you on your nightly news broadcast when you talk about these young men and women who die. I mean, I think it's important for the nation to acknowledge and I think part of my job is to demonstrate privately ...
Exactly....and that happens on both sides...
in all seriousness...without the jibes...I have two big issues with the Dem candidates, that being the abortion issue and the endless tax and spend for social programs. I am not against social programs, I am just against the waste associated with it and the constant assault on the paycheck. The average in the US is 30-35% of your paycheck off the top in taxes. Can't we all agree that is enough? Why create more programs or throw more money at programs that aren't working? Why not look at the programs and cut the waste. Look to helping people better themselves instead of pushing assistance higher up the income ladder. Because it is we in the middle class who suffer the most. Pretty soon there will not be any middle class at all, because they will then be the working poor on the assistance that goes higher up the ladder.
There is such a thing as a conservative Democrat...who believes in fiscal responsibility.
And I will be the first one to say that the Bush Adminstration has strayed way away from that...fiscal responsibility. While I agree with him on some things...I sure don't agree with him on that.
I fear Hillary's national health plan because I know Canada's is not working the way it should...and it is horribly expensive to the taxpayer. Up there, their median is 50-55% of their taxes off the top, and the #1 place for that money to go is the universal health care. And even if you have the money to pay for an operation, you can't jump the waiting list. Hence, they come here for it.
I would just hope that whoever wins will look at the long-reaching ramifications before just jumping in. Be that Hillary or a Republican....because I do think Hillary will get the nomination. I can't see it go any other way...unless something drastic happens between now and the primary. Of course, we won't see all the ugliness (on both sides) until a little later. I guess the proof will be in the pudding.
What do you have against 2 sides
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Yes, they can be - on BOTH sides.
Someone makes a wise crack about it being nice to have someone with a triple digit IQ - when in FACT they don't know what Bush's IQ is OR the possible that Barack has a higher OR lower IQ score. The problem is the people who post don't know. They have just an outright hatred and loathing for the republicans. Well how would they feel if I went and said Obama has an IQ of 68 or something so absurd. They wouldn't. You know what, having a high IQ doesn't mean squat. I know a lot of people with degrees and high IQs and they are more of imbs than people without degrees. Just another put down for Bush they they think is cute and funny. It's not! We get it already. They don't like Bush, they hate him, and some of them like my MIL will come right out and say what they want to happen to Bush (i.e. the same thing Hillary said would happen to BO and that is why she is staying in).
I'm really getting tired of the utter hatred and disdain for Bush, and the constant Bush bashing I see on this board. Calling him stoopid, etc, etc. when there are no facts to back it up (unless they are sitting with his school transcipts on their desk). You know I like Obama. I think he's an okay guy. I don't care for Bush. Never have, but this utter hatred and lies get to be a bit too much. Then of course they find websites to try to "validate" what they are saying, yet they won't post websites that go against what they are saying. I'm just sick of the whole thing. The next 4 years should be interesting. Not going to say O is going to fail, but I'm also not putting him up on a pedistal and praising him while I dance around in circles chanting his name like most on this board are doing. Then again if he does fail I expect no comments from the libs on that one. For him it will be okay.
Uh...that isn't what I said. I said it happens all the time and both sides do it.
Are you sure you read MY post? Just wondering because it didn't sound like it from your response. Man, you guys are trigger happy!
Is good, but not see here. Sad for all both sides.
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Could it be possible there are 2 sides to the story? sm
The US, UK, and Israel also have a long and colorful history of 'creating incidents' to further their own agendas. I would say control of the Middle East is something at the top of the list. Hezbollah is wrong to send rockets into Israel. In fact, they are all wrong, but what do you expect them to do just wait there and be incinerated by Israel?
I'm sure both sides are represented.
There are soldiers for the war and those against. It's all there if you look hard enough. Absolutely....both sides are well represented.
Both sides say things like that
Obviously, living up someone's rear-end is not something that is to be taken literally - that is why I called it a joke - maybe not the best terminology.
My problem is when people say things about certain groups of people and they mean it literally - hence the reason that I specifically mentioned Anne Coulter's discussion and did not add anyone else mentioned in the OP's message.
This kind of crass talk happens on both sides of the fence. Do you have anyone in your family that is a registered Democrat? Do you lump them in with your comments about liberals? (also in comments on the conservative board) I have close family members that are registered Republicans. That is why I do not make sweeping remarks about all Republicans or conservatives. I'm trying to be very specific in my comments because everyone is obviously different.
Racism is on both sides......not just one
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Both sides of this issue.....sm
The emotional part of me, that loves wildlife, absolutely and completely hates this practice. The governor before Gov. Palin did this, as well.
Intellectually, however, my husband and I talked about this last night. I have to realize that things are different in the state of Alaska, and we down here in the lower 48 can't judge them for this, as we don't understand all the facts. Sam posted them down below. It's a different mindset, when it comes to predator control versus the herd availability for the people of Alaska who are subsistence hunters, and need that caribou to make it through the winter.
I would much rather to let nature take its course, and let the predator and prey take each other out, the way nature intended it. However, throw humans in the mix, and it does change things.
All that taken into account, I still don't have to like it. But I can respect Alaska's decision to do this, even if I disagree.
Yep. there are two sides to every story....
you just have to choose the side that fits your view for your country. Godspeed in your search. :)
On ALL sides--does not necessarily mean sm
this fiasco is partisan--only that the current administration (GOP) allowed all entities to run amok. It's the financial world versus the common man, now vice versa. As one pundit said tonight, The public shouldn't have to pick up the broken chairs when they weren't invited to the party.
Hey, the hate has come from both sides.
It's so extreme now.
There are SMs from both sides of the fence
Take the above posts, for example:
Fitzgerald renews interest in Rezko-Obama deal
If you read anything on here, read this.
This should disturb every honorable citizen
Your stereotypes are inaccurate and pretty boring.
I can see both sides of the argument
Yes, many people are getting threatened and businesses getting picketed for supporting Prop 8. You cannot deny that (what was the pink taliban or whatever that disrupted church service a month or so ago?)
But on the other hand, if they want these donations anonymous, than that means Obama and other politicians can make their donations anonymous, and I think it's the publics right to know who is financing the next leaders of the country.
I just find it interesting that the homosexuals are assaulting and threatening supporters of the Prop 8 for what they believe in when they themselves are asking for fair treatment for what they believe in.
I am patriotic. I look at both sides.
It's certain people that refuse to look at the PRESENT ISSUES, not the PAST. I am all for O doing the right things, but right now, it looks like business as usual with the exception of his cabinet picks and this stimulus package.
Sticking to the issues is one thing. Calling some unpatriotic just because they don't agree with you is another.
nasty on all sides
Can't we just state our opinions without calling each other "idiots" and "children?" Does that really enhance the argument? Ever?
There is ignorance on both sides here.
As a Christian, I would appreciate it if people would leave this type of subject out of our children's education. It is not unreasonable to ask since we have given up God and prayer in the schools to accommodate those who do not believe.
There are some people who will ridicule the act as well as the person as you can clearly see when we get on the subject of homosexuality. But you cannot group all of us into this category. I do not agree with that lifestyle but having no reason to treat them poorly. That is what I want to teach my children. We may not agree but we cannot be mean to them.
However, I cannot stand by and allow the teaching that homosexuality is okay. It is too controversial of a topic for that to be taught in schools.....just like religion. I can teach my children acceptance of people without teaching acceptance of a lifestyle we don't agree with and I would appreciate it if schools wouldn't undermine my authority on that subject.
You don't see me going around forcing religion on children who I know has parents who don't believe in God and don't want their kids hearing about God.
I was merely stating there are TWO sides....
to every story. I have not taken sides, as apparently you have. That is all I am saying. The Palestinians are not without fault either, and their present governing body are on the terror watch list. That should mean something....?
Right! Definitely hate from BOTH sides. The OP
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From looking on both boards, both sides are guilty.
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exploring situation from both sides? What?
Exploring the situation from both sides? What two sides? The man stated crime would go down if we aborted black babies. What is the side you are referring to? It is a racist remark, a dumb remark and insensitive hateful remark. No two ways about it..PERIOD..
It happens on both sides of the political spectrum. It happens sm
in every day life to people who are not political at all. Why try and make it a party line thing. That's just silly and WRONG. Good grief. Do you know the political parties of everyone just this year caught embezzling? I sure don't. Nor do I care. Stop labeling people. By the way, yes, he is a crook. But he is also a Vietnam fighter pilot. He went the wrong path. But let's now throw the baby out with the bath water. Here is where the Christian part kicks in...you know..forgiveness.
Both sides on this issue are doing this for money
The 9/11 widows (money), Hillary (political hay) and Ann (money are both wanting money, power, and fame. They all need to shut up and sit down, because they all are coming out looking like idiots on this.
Failure at so many levels on both sides.
I guess I just don't see how placing blame is going to help. And I think it is sad that because Condi is a Republican (and former Democrat), her accomplishments are diminished in the African-American community.
Talking out of both sides of his mouth
No, this is the latest info he wants put out. This comes after he stood on his little podium at the debates and said point blank, he would increase taxes to help pay for more social programs. Now, I don't know how you get around that, but it came out of his own mouth and his true motives are already out there. I have watched that man sway with whatever way the political breeze is blowing, whichever he thinks sounds best for him at the time. Anyone that wishy washy cannot run a country. He is being run....that is the problem!!
It might be nice if we could hear both sides...sm
Of course there are 2 sides to every story. There is nothing new about republicans being obstructive on this issue. Pelosi's reasons for her own obstruction are also understandable. These guys are politicians being politicians. The problem I am having with this is the media blackout. It is impossible to get "both sides of the story" if the story is not out there. This is only the latest example of why many democrats perceive Fox and CNN as being conservative, right of center, etc… Fox, because of the way they report and CNN for what they do not report.
Impeachment is not exactly a fringe issue. A 2007 poll cited in Wikipedia showed 46% in favor and 55% opposed (figures for 2008 not given). Since this adds up to 101%, one might wonder which figure is inaccurate. With the margin of error inherent in polls, at the very least, it would be accurate to say that support for impeachment is "near" 50%. So why, pray tell, is this story missing in action?
For those "near" 50%, whether or not it is called an impeachment hearing is not nearly as relevant as the issues being raised during the process and the fact that there is a media blackout. Were that not the case, how likely do you think it is that those percentages would stay the same? Censorship, whether by the government or in the media, undermines the foundation of democratic process. Protecting that process is in the best interest of both political parties, no matter how divided we may be on the issues at hand.
Interesting summation of both sides....
...I saw on another website:
Best comment of the morning: “Which would you rather have:
A Lawyer with zip experience and his wife who never heard anything negative in Rev. Wrong’s church for 20 years and another Lawyer who likes to hear himself talk and both rich and both campaigning on undefined promises of change plus higher taxes (remember Obama’s bill for $800 billion for the UN)
VERSUS
A war hero with plenty of experience who married the American male dream (good looking, smart, rich, owns her own beer company and actually works to help the helpless) and an experienced tough State Governor who is a conservative Christian, cleans up corruption, husband card carrying union man, hocky mom, hunts, wins politically as an outsider, real middle class background who did not get rich in office and is about to live another American female dream: first to become Vice President of the USA and both campaigning on issues?
A NO BRAINER FOR ALL AMERICANS!
Explains what? That there are 2 sides to a story?
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I worry about the children on both sides sm
Obama's and Palin's. They are young and this is a different world now than it was when JFK was in and Carter too.
Though, I would think being a mother to very young children and being a VP is going to be a whole different situation than being the Governor. I would think there is going to be a lot more travel involved with a VP than Gov., but I might be wrong. Never having done either job, I can't really say. 
I'm not saying that Obama's kids are going to be better off if he is elected either. I just don't know how used to their mom being away that Palin's kids are as opposed to Obama's kids. They've had a little more time to adjust. And, as sexist as it is, most people still believe that the primary parenting duty is on the mother. I am not saying that is what I think (it's 50/50 IMO), but I do believe the majority feel that way.
You are right, both sides have beautiful families sm
Obamas/Biden's and McCain/Palin.
Though, I don't know how real Cindy McCain is.
Anyone switching sides this election?
I am interested to know if anyone is switching sides this election? For example, registered democrat and voting for McCain, or registered republican and voting for Obama? Just curious.
Obviously, brainwashing occurs on all sides of the
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