Another rightwing slander group. Is that all you got? nm

• Sarah Palin's 12 lies from Andrew Sullivan - truth
  • Obama lies about his relationships and is a big - phony, yet you will vote for him, pathetic.nm
  • What's your point? They ALL lie! - T
    • truth hurts....nm - mable
  • Another leftwing slander group. Is that all you got?- sm - See - it goes both ways
    • Andrew Sullivan is the Atlantic senior - mable
      • Add George Will - nah
      • If he is Atlantic senior editor, he should know.... - sam
  • Obama lies... - sam
    • Another rightwing slander group. Is that all you got? nm - snapper
      • If you want to know the truth, sources and dates... - sam
  • oh, but come on she is so pretty, and she is a woman, surely we can overlook - MTPockets
    • This is like the statement that one poster said- nm - Obama is "clean, articulate and good looking
      • where is that post - Watch
      • yes, exactly the same. It all sounds ridiculous to me - MTPockets
    • your statement/sarcasm is proof women have NOT - made much progress in 30 yr...nm
      • I forgot, that is reserved only for the self-righteous on this board - MTPockets

The messages you are viewing are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select the boards given in left menu

Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation.Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
   
2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
   
3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
   
4. Damage to the plaintiff.

A defense recognized in most jurisdictions is "opinion". If the person makes a statement of opinion as opposed to fact, the statement may not support a cause of action for defamation. Whether a statement is viewed as an expression of fact or opinion can depend upon context - that is, whether or not the person making the statement would be perceived by the community as being in a position to know whether or not it is true

Example:  A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.

Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.

I.E., what the poster stated was freedom of speech, not slander, libel or defamation of character. It is a known fact that O hung around with not-so-nice people until he ran for President. Is that slander? Nope.

The poster was giving an opinion. That is freedom of speech. If it was slander, O would have be having a lot of lawsuits on his hands towards all the people who have ever stated anything against him, which would probably be around 250,000,000....including me...out of 300,000,000 people living in the USA.

I posted on this about six weeks ago.  This group was in a small town in Wisconsin near me and got EXTREMELY negative press, of course, so at least that was good.  I did feel really really bad, though, for the family of the soldier that died and their being forced into this ridiculous spectacle.

I try to feel better about it by thinking these radical evangelical crazies come out in the open and end up revealing to the general American public how nuts they are that and that perhaps as a result some of the current Republican love affair with evangelicals may erode a bit.  Now, of course, I realize they don't represent Christians in general.....I'll stop there.

Below is from the Protestwarrior website or else "RNC Watch":

Although the Protest Warriors usually make a big deal about how they have been the victims of leftist "violence," several of their recent bulletin board posts advocate carrying concealed weapons to demonstrations at the RNC. "I would bring pepper spray," writes one. "I will be utilizing my concealed weapons permit," writes another. "We should be prepared for violence," writes a third. These posts are similar to the infamous CraigsList NYC posting of more than a year ago in which a New Yoker wrote that "We need good old fashioned Conservatives, the kind that believe in God, Country, and Family (the Mom and Dad kind), the kind that played football, baseball, and basketball, to help with security [at the RNC]. This is totally separate from the organized Convention. We will meet the groups determined to disrupt the open discussion of ideas (the Convention) with a group of our own and battle them in the streets of New York."

You can also see picture of the founders of Protest Warriors lovingly cradling high-powered fire-arms on the PW website. "ProtestWarrior HQ is now heavily armed," the site operators write.

(Picture Caption: The Founder of Protest Warriors) Recently, a small media stir was created by a tiny, right-wing fringe group known as the Protest Warriors.

________________________

Or take a look at this link:

ProtestWarrior Forum Index » Now that's Entertainment » Pictures guaranteed to terrify liberals Goto page 1, 2, 3 ... 125, 126, 127  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  Pictures guaranteed to terrify liberals Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:50 pm Alan Site Admin Location: Austin, TX Gender: Male We recently drove out to San Angelo, TX to meet up with our good friend Chris, a Marine who offered to take us out shooting and teach us the finer points of peace through superior firepower. http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_08.jpg Chris has some GREAT bumper stickers on his car. http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_01.jpg "Phased plasma pulse-laser in the forty watt range... " "Just what you see, pal." http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_03.jpg Chris brought a wide selection. Everything from 22s to 357 hand cannons. http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_02.jpg "Leftist troll 12 o' clock." http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_04.jpg Can you tell I'm a big John Woo fan? http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_07.jpg When I hold you in my arms And I feel my finger on your trigger I know nobody can do me no harm Because happiness is a warm gun... -Lennon/McCartney http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_11.jpg You feeling lucky, punk? http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_10.jpg Is there anything sweeter than the sound of shotgun shells ejecting? http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_05.jpg Chris is one guy you do not want to f--k with. http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_09.jpg Chris was kind enough to loan us some weapons to take back with us, so thanks to him ProtestWarrior HQ is now heavily armed. So to all the leftists that want to completely disarm the populace, all we have to say is come get some. Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:56 pm BPond Joined: 24 Jul 2003 Total posts: 7833 Hell yeah! Those are great photos! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:56 pm OB_one Location: Virginia (Northern Neck) Age: 72 Gender: Male Great Pics Alan. Looks like you two gonna become real "badasses" Thanks for sharing. OB Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:14 pm Orange Jewce Location: Washington, DC Age: 18 Gender: Male http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_11.jpg Somebody who knows how to doctor images should write "PWNAGE!" right across this sweet picture. Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:15 pm BOgg Gender: Unknown great pictures, shows what you stand for. War and violence. Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:17 pm TheInfragableKrunk Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Total posts: 14052 Location: Washington, American Empire (AE) Age: 20 Gender: Male Actually we stand for peace via superior firepower. Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:18 pm Alan Site Admin Location: Austin, TX Gender: Male BOgg wrote: great pictures, shows what you stand for. War and violence. BOgg earlier wrote: One thing's for sure, prepare for your in-home (usa) war, too much opposition is growing and its gonna blow in your faces. If bush is re-elected, ill be the first to assassinate him. Yeah, we're not peace-lovers like Bogg. Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:21 pm Moderate Centrist Location: Neve Dekalim, Gush Katif Age: 29 Gender: Male Alan, you guys are heros. Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:22 pm Orange Jewce Location: Washington, DC Age: 18 Gender: Male Alan and Kfir, Why can't you ban that pseudo-poet, Straight Outta Here, He wants it and you know it! Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:22 pm Yes. We are a group of individuals. Did you lose your dictionary? any group that insists its beliefs are the only true beliefs, works actively to force those beliefs on me, believes men rode around on dinosaurs, and wants to control my reproductive organs, and keep my children in the dark about their sexual function is not my enemy, but I do avoid them. Oh, and Jehovah's Witnesses banging on my door -- I avoid them too.   There are fanatics in any group and usually they are an embarrassment to the rest of that group, and usually are the most hypocritical. I can't speak for other Christians, but I do apologize to anyone who has been made uncomfortable by one. Usually a "no thanks" should suffice. :) Why does anyone or any group want you to vote? To support their agenda. That goes for democrats, republicans....Obama's agenda is socialism. Thanks, but no thanks. group of cells....... Gee, yea, we were a group of cells. That is how God planned it to be, so just because you were a group of cells, you would have hoped your mother would dispose of you JUST because you were a group of cells on the way to making a human being? Just out of curiousity, exactly what group of people would fall in the category of *redneck ignoramouses?* I have heard the term redneck before and kind of get a mental picture when I hear that. I would just like to know for sure. You seem so knowledgeable about the monkey issue. Thanks. Not a group I'd ever want to be included in. x this is what my moms group said when I would not get pregnant, even though I had a several kids. Not Republican enough! Ha!Ha! Not mommies and me enough! Oh, please. Any group has their nutcases. nm Every group has their nut jobs. You cannot group all conservatives into that category especially since there are just as many nut jobs on the liberal side.  Get over yourself and give me a break!  glad to see you and weepaws are having that big group hug Pat yourselves on the back I'm sure you are both loving parents. Congrats! Sarah Palin is too. To try to insinuate she doesn't love her kids because she works outside the home is too absurd. That's nice you can both work at home. That is a choice we have been able to make due to people like Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin wants to make the country a better place. That is a very admireable trait in her. Listening to you two talk you are sending us back to the 1940s and 1950s where a woman's place was in the home, in the kitchen, barefoot and having babies. If your for Obama and Biden that's fine but to cut down someone who is trying to make the country a better place for her children and she has the loving support and help from her husband and family there is nothing wrong with that. Overall it sounds like you are quite nervous because Obama and Biden are going to have to do better than they have been to win. Your hatred and loathing is coming out. Just gives me the heebie jeebies to listen to it. Why else would any religious group want you to vote? Silly girl! Replace all your dems with you. Do not group all...sm the posts on this board to one party or the other. Whenever a lone person posts something that you don't agree with, you attribute it to all democrats. We do not all think alike. That is the wonderful thing about us, we do not march in step, we march to different drummers to a common cause. Looks like the right-wing group is getting a little testy! (nm) :p CITI group bailout Okay, MSN just said the new administration will go into significant deficit spending to fund programs and bailout. They are talking a 700 Billion package here. Can anyone tell me how they will do that and where does deficit money come from? Seriously. I don't get it. Are we losing more and more of our future personal security here? Does this get borrowed from other sources (as in the spending they did instead of funding our social security?) Without that Social Security income in my future (not too far off, I might add) on top of what I have lost in my 401K and IRA, I am doomed. HAMAS is a terrorist group nm Like that group of scholars could determine anything.... how do we know WHO the cartoon meant? Get over it already. Unless the chimp is wearing a Hello, My Name is Obama sticker, we don't know who it represents. See the above thread about Holder regarding jumping to conclusions. What hate group do you suppose you ## maybe common for your age group (my dear) zoom, zoom, zoom I think you have a misogynistic overtone. Look that up. I definitely do not condone group sex, eeewww!... It is one after the other! All together, ewwww! The group that met with Obama & Clinton in Chantilly, VA? nm z It became political when a group of activist judges... thumbed their noses at the Constitution and legalized abortion from the bench. Let's get the facts straight. I don't understand why, if you folks are so sure you are right, you get so angry when someone disagrees with you. At least admit what you are giving the right to choose. The right to kill a baby. Because that is what is happening. If left alone the child would mature and be born. It is alive. It is moving, heart is beating, taking nourishment. Alive, no matter how much you deny it. So when you have an abortion, you are killing a child. If you are pro choice, you are pro killing a child. At least be honest about it. As a matter of fact, I work with a group... who provide help and counseling to women/girls who find themselves in this position. We have referrals for adoption if that is the choice the person makes. If the person elects to keep the child (and I am pleased to say very many have), we have several agencies which help with that. We have businesses who will provide jobs. We have housing referrals. And we do not stop supporting once the baby is born. We have a network of volunteers who will help with babysitting while the mother works until she can afford daycare. And most of the girls who make the decision to have and keep their child are very motivated to provide for that child. If it takes a week, a month, or a year, we help with that. We have had girls come in after an abortion wanting to talk to someone and we try to help those girls cope. The abortion providers are nowhere to be found when the regret sets in. And often times, it does set in. I am also glad to say that some of those girls have joined us as volunteers. So I do put my money where my mouth is. It is a very small fish in a very large barrel...but if one baby is not aborted, I consider it a victory. The concept is similar to any group plan. without compromising the care. It is the FEHB (Federal Employees health Benefits) program. It is really good coverage, low deductibles, several choices. Heres the home page website: http://www.opm.gov/insure/05/index.asp Obama comes from the group of Chicago crooks. nm I have never in my life seen a group of people in such denial over EVERYTHING!! Get your heads out You people deny that the dems are responsible for the housing crisis.  Do some objective research!!  They most certainly DID cause the crisis!  You deny that the voter fraud from ACORN is a big deal, and that they are not trying to sway the election to any particular side!!!  There were over 200,000 fraudulent votes in Ohio alone!!  I was watching on CNN about this (the station that NEVER says anything negative towards liberals), and they were even talking about what a huge problem this is.  They showed a ballot with the name of Jimmie Johns.  They found the address, and it was Jimmie Johns restaurant - and there are 10s of thousands of ballots like this.  And who worked for ACORN?  Yup - the people's Messiah Obama.  And somehow you all will find a way to minimize this and twist the facts, and probably blame me for telling this to you... For crying out loud. His target group IS workers are so low that they come up not owing tax at the end of the year, then it would not be possible to give them a tax cut or a tax credit, unless it is a refundable tax credit. So far, you have not provided any evidence that Obama is proposing a REFUNDABLE tax credit. As a matter of fact, why do you supposed he call this tax credit "Making WORK pay." The credit will zero out at zero tax liability unless it is a refundable tax credit. Again, it seems like you cannot produce any evidence that this is the case. Or can you? What about the socialist question with regard to progressive tax reform proposals only being socialist at Obama's hands, an no other president in history since 1913, including the 7 republicans who raise the top income bracket rates to as high as 63% to 94%, as opposed to Obama, whose intent is to restore that rate back to 39.6% as it was in 2000 when Bush took office? It is not the same at all, not picking on a specific group,race, or ethnicity....sm as a matter of fact, some of my worst dictators are AMERICAN, they hate dictating and so act like little kids and speed talk, trip all over their words, slur everything together, mispronounce without correcting themselves, chew, burp, rattle papers and x-rays, etc., and then will correct several paragraps because they "forgot" this or that. At least foreign docs have an excuse, and many try to enuniciate clearly, spell things, out, etc. There is no comparison here...complaining about high percentage of difficult docs in your queue is not the same as drawing a "cartoon" that points directly in one direction, is poorly disguised, and is dispersed and disseminated in a national, hugely circulated newpaper. Just in the interest of full disclosure, other members of the Carlyle Group.... They include among others, John Major, former British Prime Minister; Fidel Ramos, former Philippines President; Park Tae Joon, former South Korean Prime Minister; Saudi Prince Al-Walid; Colin Powell, former Secretary of State; James Baker III, former Secretary of State; Caspar Weinberger, former Defense Secretary; Richard Darman, former White House Budget Director; the billionaire George Soros, and even some bin Laden family members. You can add Alice Albright, daughter of Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State; Arthur Lewitt, former SEC head; William Kennard, former head of the FCC, to this list. Finally, add in the Europeans: Karl Otto Poehl, former Bundesbank president; the now-deceased Henri Martre, who was president of Aerospatiale; and Etienne Davignon, former president of the Belgian Generale Holding Company. I never knew George Soros was a member. I never bothered to check. Now THAT is interesting. Also, in the interest of putting it all out there...the bin Laden family disowned Osama years before 9-11. Obama's group has tried to shut Stanley Kurtz up several times... He was on WGN radio in August when Obama supporters were told to call in and voice their displeasure about Mr. Kurtz and his appearance. Mr. Kurtz has done extensive research regarding the Obama/Ayers/Wright association. The WGN host offered to have someone from the Obama campaign on to counterpoint Mr. Kurtz but they declined. You would think they would like to refute something they vehemently deny. Like your no-class group that shouted "Kill Him" regarding O at a GOP rally? With Palin? or don't you remember that? Bunch of hypocrites - you guys dish it but you sure don't like to take it. © Copyright 2001-09 MTStars.com All Rights Reserved