Andrew Sullivan is not a true conservative. sm
Posted By: Brunson on 2007-03-21
In Reply to: Andrew Sullivan - Lurker
One of the main reasons he is down on the right is that he is gay and supports same-sex marriages. This is not a true conservative viewpoint by any means. Arnold is a RINO and is about as much a conservative as Barney Frank.
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Andrew Sullivan
Anyone catch this guy the other day on Olberman. He is the senior editor of The Atlantic which is a conservative publication and a genuine conservative. He has written a book called Conservative Soul, How We Lost It, How to Get It Back.
He says conservatism as a governing philosophy is broken. All the major tenets of conservatism have been broken by Bush...his words, not mine. He believes things are so bad that the social conservatives or real conservatives are beginning to compromise, a la Rudy, because Bush has left no one to follow him, has made such a mess of things and the present candidates are nothing to write home about.
On a lighter note, Arnold called Rush irrelevant. There may be more to Arnold than meets the eye.
Andrew Sullivan is the Atlantic senior
editor, hardly leftwing at all. It is a conservative magazine, and he is a conservative. So much for your fact-finding.
Sarah Palin's 12 lies from Andrew Sullivan
So for the record, let it be known that the candidate for vice-president for the GOP is a compulsive, repetitive, demostrable liar.
1. She has lied about the Bridge to Nowhere.
2. She has lied about the firing of the town librarian and police chief of Wasilla.
3. She has lied about pressure on Alaska's public safety commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law.
4. She has lied about her previous statements on climate change.
5. She has lied about Alaska's contribution to America's oil and gas production.
6.She has lied about when she asked her daughters' permission for her to run for VP.
7. She has lied about the actual progress in constructing a natural gas pipeline from Alaska.
8. She has lied about Obama's position on habeus corpus.
9. She has lied about her alleged tolerance of homosexuality.
10. She has lied about use or non-use of a teleprompter at the convention.
11. She has lied about her alleged pay-cut as mayor of Wasilla.
12. She has lied about what Alaska's scientists concluded about the health of the polar bear population in Alaska.
You cannot trust her word on anything!
Conservative vs true conservative
The Conservative:
I'm a conservative. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
private
property, and limited government, except for:
1. Social Security;
2. Medicare;
3. Medicaid;
4. Welfare;
5. Drug laws;
6. Public schooling;
7. Federal grants;
8. Economic regulations;
9. Minimum-wage laws and price controls;
10. Federal Reserve System;
11. Paper money;
12. Income taxation and the IRS;
13. Trade restrictions;
14. Immigration controls;
15. Foreign aid;
16. Foreign wars of aggression;
17. Foreign occupations;
18. An overseas military empire;
19. A standing army and a military industrial complex;
20. Infringements on civil liberties;
21. Military detentions and denial of due process and jury trials for
citizens
and non-citizens accused of crimes;
22. Torture and sex abuse of prisoners;
23. Secret kidnappings and renditions to brutal foreign regimes for
purposes of torture;
24. Secret torture centers around the world;
25. Secret courts and secret judicial proceedings;
26. Warrantless wiretapping of citizens and non-citizens;
27. Violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights for purposes of
national security;
28. Out-of-control federal spending to pay for all this.
The Libertarian (true conservative):
I'm a libertarian. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
private
property, and limited government. Period. No exceptions.
Just an FYI - Ron Paul is a true conservative.sm
We are not like the people on the conservative board.
No, true conservative economists have been silenced in mainstream media.
Heard Sullivan
wears the bandanna on the left, if you know what I mean. can't take anything he says with too much salt.
Sullivan is a RINO himself, so he's a hypocrit if he calls Bush one. sm
The fact is, Bush is not a true conservative and I have a lot of problems with some of his agendas. Iraq is not one of them. No one I know paints all liberals with the same brush. Most of us who post here regularly have made the distinction between leftists and liberals. You just have chosen to ignore that.
That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.
Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
USA is hardly conservative (ha!)
and no I'm not unsettled. I am firm and settled in my beliefs. You can live in your dreamworld that the conservatives are coming unglued, but you are living in an alternate universe.
USA right leaning. You gave a good laugh!
If you think CNN is at all conservative....
'Nuff said. LOL.
What exactly is the conservative way?
I'd much rather be a conservative....
than an "anything goes" liberal. Yeah, we make mistakes sometimes, and we're not perfect, but at least we have a goal we're striving for. And for every conservative you ridicule, I could name 5 liberals that did the same thing but the media doesn't make a big thing about it. Of course, if it's a conservative, it's broadcast 24/7 - like Sanford - but the Edwards affair was actually covered up by the mainstream media and got no attention until the National Enquirer forced it into the open. Selective outrage, anyone?
What about what YOU said on the conservative board?
I try not to visit the bog of eternal stench. Funny though...sm
The very people who whine about "intelligent debate" now have whole threads devoted to crying to their mommy about being asked to be respectful. Pitiful.
Pardon ME?! Who ever said I was a conservative? sm
Why would you assume so very much. There were a lot of posts pro and con by veterans. The post I quoted was one that struck me because I was born and raised in Oklahoma and it was a soldier from Oklahoma. My goodness, what a huge brouhaha over one simple little post. Well, I certainly won't post here again.
Very easy to tell you're no conservative
or else you'd have mastered the art of "twisting" and wouldn't have such high regard for the truth.
Lesson 1: Visit the Conservative Board and study closely.
(Lesson 2 will follow as soon as you have successfully completed Lesson 1.)
Didn't you know that as a conservative....
We feel like well, if whoever nominates another liberal, well who knows what will happen. Half the country is happy to have a progressive and worry about another conservative, and half the country feels the same way about another liberal. From my observation, the liberals are so worried about conservative activism, when liberal activism is running rampant. Even in Vermont, The People did not vote for civil unions. Gay marriage wouldn't be voted in by We The People in ANY state, so activist judges are foisting it on us, state by state.
get on back conservative
So, conservative in liberal clothing poster, what is this post supposed to mean? You believe in a god..good for you, I believe in my god too and more power to the ones who dont believe in a god..To each their own..See, that is how liberals believe, to each their own, and by your post you show everyone you are truly not a liberal, you are a false poster, a conservative posting as a liberal..Bye, bye, sweetie..get on back to the conservative board.
This page alone looks like there are more conservative.sm
posts on here than liberal, if not the number would be pretty darn close.
I am more libertarian/conservative.sm
The conservatives in office now are too extreme for me in many areas.
No, he is not conservative - he is neoconservative. sm
There is a difference. Though he claims to be a conservative and christian, his policies and actions indicate otherwise. I think he might have a bit of difficulty getting into the pearly gates.
Same old conservative arguments
Well, if the posts of Democrat Liberals bother you so much (as seems to be from reading your posts), you dont have to post or read them here. I must remind you, this is the Liberal board. I look forward to read dialogue with the opposite view point, however, bringing up the same arguments is getting a bit old.
Take it to the conservative board.
You apparently have issues that are not going to be solved by endless bashing on a liberal board.
Although I may not like the rules on this board I am mature and courteous enough to at least try to follow them.
How liberal or conservative are you...sm
Take a quiz. You might be surprised, I know I was. I am an independent, who through the years, have become more conservative. However, I'm surprised I even have any liberal views anymore. Interesting stuff.
Put aside your differences, have some fun, and see what you find about yourself.
http://www.blogthings.com/howliberalorconservativeareyouquiz/
My political profile is:
Overall 80% conservative, 20% liberal
Social issues: 100% conservative, 0% liberal
Personal responsibility: 50% conservative, 50% liberal
Fiscal issues: 100% conservative, 0% liberal
Ethics: 50% conservative, 50% liberal
Defense and crime: 100% conservative, 0% liberal
george will, conservative
icon, declares McCain temprament unfit for presidency. You don't get any more conservative than George Will. Meanwhile, Sara P has pictures taken with foreign leaders but absolutely no questions allowed. Photo op.
Okay, here it is from NPR.....NOT a conservative site by any...
stretch:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93954519
Slate (definitely NOT conservative)....
describes Pelosi as lacking substance and policy smarts (sound vaguely familiar?).
She said: "I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels," she said at one point. Natural gas "is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels," she said at another. Natural gas IS a fossil fuel. Hello.
That is just a couple. She hs been in the public eye at the federal level for how many years? Palin has been on the federal level how long? A month?????
Some people really have a problem with plain-spoken people. Me, not so much. I fully understand what "get my head around Putin's" means. Trying to understand him. Or like McCain said: I looked in his eyes and saw KGB. Yup...I think John was right.
Did you happen to see the interview Obama did with O'Reilly? He did exactly the same thing. He would give some nuanced non-answer and when O'Reilly pressed him, he kept repeating it over and over. But I suppose since he did using the "proper" words, somehow that is more accetapble to you? And he is running for the TOP spot, not the #2 spot.
I am probably 1/2 liberal, 1/2 conservative
I don't think I'm particularly dense, just able to sort fact from fiction.
It's not about conservative vs. liberal.
It is about responsibility and accountability and right vs. wrong with regard to using fear and hate to influence people. Rovian politics with its "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality will hopefully become a thing of the past.
As a conservative, I disagree.
"Smaller government and lower taxes" is one of those slogans that our side slings around but doesn't have any real meaning that allows us to defend it.
You can't just say such things without defining your terms. How small should government be? How low should taxes be? Government - at every level - DOES have a critical role to play in the life of this nation. We could never defend ourselves from foreign enemies, create a nationwide system of roads, or even coordinate interstate commerce among the states if not for federal government. You'd be paying tariffs on everything produced in other states, for instance.
We need law enforcement agencies that operate at every level of government. We need coordinated programs to help deal with problems like unemployment. We need to know that our food and our drugs are safe.
A better slogan would be "Only as much government as needed to do the relatively few things that government does well, and only the taxes needed to support it."
So? The EU parliament just went conservative.
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These posts were on the conservative board
where we are free to talk about the extreme hatefulness coming from this board. However, when some people wish the president dead...well that's bordering on a THREAT to the president. I actually be afraid to post things like that. You might receive a friendly knock on the door from the FBI.
Again, There were trolls on the liberal board (no consistent moniker that's the first thing that gives trolls away) posting VERY NASTY replies anytime a conservative posted anything on THEIR OWN BOARD. It takes a lot nerve to argue with the administrator of this board who can delete you and ban you for any reason. It is a private board BTW no public doman. Many of you have been stalking on the conservative board for weeks. You have been posting near threats on the president....what do you expect the administrator to do!? Start talking about real subjects and quit having a hate fest over here and you might find the administrator a little more sympathetic to your plight....
I believe your key point is that it was on the CONSERVATIVE board. sm
I did not post it here and I did not post it THERE in response to a liberal poster. It is no worse than what is being said HERE about THERE. And this could go on ad infinitum and serve no purpose whatsoever.
And those of us who are conservative are living in fear that...
our courts will further erode our society to the point that everything goes. Heck, one third of the country already has to live with the notion that their 12-year-old can consent to an abortion without our knowledge (thanks to the 6th circuit court in California, legalize gay marriage without letting "we the people" decide how we want our society (yes, 78% of Americans are against it), and I could go on and on. Do you like the fact that another priviate citizen can now take your property just because HIS use of that property would generate more income for the government? Sounds like socialism is rapidly becoming fascism to me. You can thank the imminent domain decision to those wonderful progressives on the court. Yes, let's hope we get another Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court so our country can continue it's slide down the toilet.
You are welcome on the conservative board any time! SM
 Come on over!
He has already met with her. See article on Conservative board.
How many times is he supposed to meet with her?
The conservative board is quiet because SM
you and your bully friends made numerous and repeated drive-by postings. Do you know what a drive-by is. It's where you go merely to harrass and cause dissention and then scoot on back over here and brag about it. If you behaved like this in your own personal life, you be shunned and ridiculed. Instead, you and your friends here fall into that dysfunctional class of people who can only be tough on-line.
The conservative goons are all over the TV trying to discredit
what the two democratic governers of Arizona and New Mexico are doing. I can't believe it.
In light of the republican president and republican senate and house doing NOTHING about the problem, they have no room to talk.
At least these guys are on the ball.
Come no over to the conservative board. We'd love to have you! nm
conservative board..YIPES..no thanks
I do not frequent the conservative board, as it would make my blood boil and I have enough to deal with you conservatives on the liberal board, LOL, However, as many Marines that you show me enjoy war and blood shed and illegal occupation of Iraq and war without end, I will show you Marines and Army and Navy and National Guard, et al., who are horrified by what we are doing and have been forever changed because of Bush's illegal, immoral, criminal war.
Perhaps I would *obey* that, but you do it on the conservative board.
So we are expected to stay off this board and you can bash on the conservative board. Just trying to get the rules straight here.
Why do you call them conservative items? SM
Because they don't say what you want them to? Because you personally know the author and they are conservative? Why? So sorry to disturb the hatefest and nice touch up there Anon, yeah let them steal guns and shoot the military trying to HELP THEIR SORRY A**ES. Oh, and the raping, too. I guess they are entitled to that, as well. The world has gone mad and you sit and cheer. God Save us.
Yet another conservative LIE Brunson Burnout.
Sincere apologies, wrong board. NM
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Posted By: Libby on 2005-09-03,
In Reply to: They will never stop. Look at the post below where Brunson hopes that somebody is *hounded* off - Libby
NM
get back to the conservative board
LOLOLOLOLOLO, dont like it? Dont read the posts..simple as that, deary. As far as my posts are the worst, LMFAO..You, child, have not visited other political boards as mine are calm compared to others but, **BIG SIGH**, I realize you are one of the three who always come on this board from the conservative one..cant stay on your own board, gotta come here and start trouble..So, to you who posts here all the time, get back to the dinosaur, backward thinking conservative board and leave the liberal board alone..Bye, bye, sweetheart..
Go over to the conservative board, and look for *you must be a liberal if* sm
and I'm sure there are some other pieces over there that you might find comical. Then let us know if you still think this is the most stereotypical thing you have EVER read.
It's meant to humor liberals. That's why it's on a liberal board. :):):)
Why a liberal and a conservative board?
I don't get this. Why is there a board for liberals and a board for conservatives? It's not like no one comes to the liberal board who isn't, and what fun would that be, anyway? And is everyone comfortable with the labels? I consider myself a liberal on many issues, but there are some issues on which I would agree with conservatives. For instance, I want less government (which Bush supposedly wants, ha!). I think people ought to be able to bears arms and it's a real good thing for Iraq that Saddam Hussein didn't keep them from having them, so now they can try to repel the foreign invaders. Just a couple of issues for which no label really works....
It's a conservative site, but not everyone agrees. sm
I post on other conservative sites, as well. I have never been banned for disagreeing. I just never saw posts like the ones you are saying you saw. My main bone of contention is Libby who believes something just because Bill Maher said so and she has no idea what Freepers do. They do a lot of good, especially for injured military and do a lot of things for the military in general. To condemn an entire group for a few bad apples is just not right and I stand by THAT.
Go back to the conservative board
Get off the liberal board, we dont want you here.
Oh, she revealed it on the Conservative Board
with this and other posts:
*The liberals are a bunch of chickens running about with their heads cut off, THE SKY IS FALLING!*
I realize your board is DEAD, but please go away.
I was speaking of the Conservative board.
And I think the Iranian president is more than nuts, much the way the Iranian gentleman writing the article I speak of suggests. It might help to identify that you are posting a spoof instead of a serious article in the future.
Typical conservative response......sm
I'm sure there are liberal groups that back him. The same way Ann Coulter is embraced for her hate speech. I mean she won the Conservative Journalist of the Year Award if I'm not mistaken. Quite a prestigious award for a job well done, stirring up liberals. If that's what it's all about then I need to bow out and suceed this debate now. You don't think any has the stage to do any harm, well I respectfully ask you to think again, because her face was plastered all over the news spewing her hate for all to see and react, which is what she thrives on. She is hardly the noble person the cons (who support her) think she is.
Certainly I can only speak for myself, but since I have actually *read* what Lurker was trying to relay. Neither she, nor I, support Churchill's statements about the 9-11 victims and have said he was wrong. He was dead wrong, and any liberal group that he is apart of should not condone his comments. Now where his blood line, his plagarism, and anything else you can dig up fits into the equation of hate speech doesn't matter to me.
I too think teachers should teach an objective lesson, and if he was not doing so he should have been reprimanded up to losing his job if he continued to do so. *BUT* an objective lesson does not mean a lesson approved by conservative critics.
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