And the word is hypocrisy, thanks for proving my point!
Posted By: lom on 2008-10-28
In Reply to: Once again....goes to show - sm
Making a generalized statement about the tremendous crowds that Obama draws being moochers is really about the most pathetic, ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You make me laugh!!
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Thank you for proving my point.
I hold up THREE fingers. The rest of the world sees THREE, but you? You only see ONE, and you take the one YOU see, completely ignoring the other two that EVERYONE ELSE SEES, and twist it and manipulate it and turn it into something ugly that doesn't even come close to the TRUTH that EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE.
Thank you for proving my point.
My grandma used to say, well you are mad, you are going to stay mad, you are enjoying being mad, have decided to be mad and there is no reason to talk you out of it. But then, I already knew that, too.
You just keep proving my point.
I suppose I should thank you, but frankly I don't feel like it. I have no plans to visit the conservative board. I may go to the libertarian board though. I am anything but a sweetie. And I would certainly never allow you to call me that face to face. But then, that's how you operate, isn't it. One of those people who gets on a chat board and vents their spleen, too cowardly in real life to say these things face to face to anyone.
Thank you for once again proving my point.
You really just can't help it, can you?
Once again....and thanks for proving my point
You are an obvious BO supporter and you see the negative things you want to see out of McCain. McCain supporters, however, don't see that. We see negative things in Obama that his supporters refuse to see and believe. The people who like Palin think she will do just fine during the VP debate. It is all a matter of opinion. We all have the same information and yet we have picked two very different people to vote for. I think McCain will do fine in the next debates. I personally think that this election will be a close one all the way to the end. JMO though.
Have a good one!
Thank you for proving the point
of how this country is pushing God away. I will pray for you!
Thanks for proving my point.
Wallowing in self pity is a real downer. However, if you keep it up long enough, you are bound to insure O's re-election in 2012, so keep up the good work. Trash talk is what lost this last election and history does have a way of repeating itself.
Thanks for proving my point.
These kinds of negative namecalling posts are exactly the point I was trying to make. Give the man an opportunity to prove or disprove his competency, and then, and only then, you earn the right to question and criticize.
Thanks for proving my point . . .
First of all, I didn't call YOU un-American, unless the shoe fits, and certainly it had nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with me. I could care less. It had to do with those people that won't even consider hearing an intelligent explanation about the plan for this country, and those that openly voice their wish for failure of this adminstration. Now, THAT is un-American.
Thanks for proving my point....(sm)
Tell me, I'm assuming that you also think that having sex out of wedlock is also a "bad behavior." So, do you teach your kids to yell names at people like that? How about people who smoke cigarettes? What label to do you put on them?
Thank you for proving my point...
My work here is done.
Thank you all for so eloquently proving my point
in showing that you all have no idea what Christianity is all about. In one breath you are praising Christ and all his attributes, but in the next breath you reject Him. You embrace all the good, loving, warm fuzzy attributes of Christ, but you neglect to see what his sole purpose in coming to Earth was and that was die to atone for our sins and the evil wrought in this world. Christ cannot look upon sin, and we are all sinners every one of us, and that's why he had to die. He took the spiritual death we should have had to face ourselves. That's not warm and fuzzy, but it's certainly love above all comprehension. All He asks is that we accept His atonement and turn from our wicked ways. It doesn't make us perfect sinless people, but it changes our heart and how we look at the world.
Personally, I don't agree with everything Pat Robertson says because Pat Robertson is not God. He's a man, but there is a certainly a judgemental side of God. I hope many of you can see that before you face him as your judge once you leave this Earth. Then it will be too late to change your mind. I hope you won't let people like Pat Robertson or even someone like me keep you from truly knowing the love of Jesus Christ.
Now that I've totally violated board rules by evangelizing on the politics board I will leave.
LOL, thanks for proving my point, as posted below. sm
You don't offend me. You disturb me. Two different entities.
See? You're proving the very point made about
right wing rage. Sure hope you and your fanatic friends don't all own guns......
Thanks so much for proving my point about the angry, hate-filled left. sm
You did a perfect job of it. You are incapable of thought other than that driven by hate. Your debates are screeds and your voice is strident and laced with the same adjectives...the word liar comes to mind. Which, of course, you are.
You cannot type it word for word, just provide a link.
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Exactly, it's the hypocrisy!
Thanks for proving me right. Again. nm
HYPOCRISY
THE GOP'S FILIBUSTER HYPOCRISY
Monday 09 February 2009
by: Robert Parry, Consortium News
Though seemingly forgotten by most TV talking heads, it was only three years ago, when the Republicans had control of both the White House and Congress - and "filibuster" was a dirty word.
It was usually coupled with "obstructionist" amid demands that any of George W. Bush's proposals deserved "an up-or-down vote."
Yet now, with the Democrats holding the White House and Congress, the Republicans and the Washington press corps have come to view the filibuster fondly, as a valued American tradition, a time-honored part of a healthy legislative process.
Today, it's seen as a good thing that Democrats must muster 60 votes in the Senate to pass almost anything.
When the TV pundits talk about Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan squeaking through the Senate, they're actually referring to a vote that might fall in the range of 60 or more yes votes to perhaps 38 no's, a three-touchdown "squeaker."
The only thing close about the vote is whether the package can overcome a Republican filibuster and get 60 votes for "cloture." To reach this super-majority, Democrats have been forced to accept a higher percentage of tax cuts, even if leading economists consider tax cuts one of the least effective ways of stimulating the moribund economy.
Yet, this anti-democratic fact about the GOP strategy - that it seeks to frustrate the will of the American majority, which rejected the Republicans and their policies in the last two U.S. elections - is rarely mentioned in the news.
Nor is the fact that Republicans railed against even a hint of a filibuster when the Democrats were in the minority just a few years ago.
Back then, when the Republicans controlled everything, the big story was how a threatened Democratic filibuster against, say, one of Bush's right-wing judicial nominations would be met by the Republican "nuclear option" - using a majority-vote on a rule change to eliminate the filibuster permanently.
For instance, in 2006, when Bush wanted to put Samuel Alito on the U.S. Supreme Court, the move amounted to a direct threat to the Republic. Alito was a staunch believer in the imperial presidency, a promoter of a "unitary executive" who would wield unlimited powers at a time of war - and the "war on terror" promised to be an endless war.
If confirmed, Alito would join three other justices - John Roberts, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas - who shared his extreme views, and possibly another, Anthony Kennedy, who was considered only slightly more moderate.
In effect, the Alito nomination raised the specter of five right-wing justices effectively gutting the U.S. Constitution and its checks and balances in favor of Bush's personal rule.
The Republic in the Balance
With the future of the American Republic in the balance and Bush short of 60 votes in favor of Alito, a filibuster could have stopped this radical nomination in its tracks and could have forced Bush to select a less extreme nominee.
Many in the Democratic "base" urged Senate Democrats to use the filibuster at this critical moment - a time when Bush was viewing himself as a new-age monarch and his political aides were fantasizing about a "permanent Republican majority," transforming the United States into a virtual one-party state with the Democrats kept around as a cosmetic appendage.
As this drama played out, the Washington news media weighed in heavily against a Democratic filibuster, essentially repeating Republican talking points about the need to give the President's nominee an up-or-down vote and bemoaning the anti-democratic nature of the filibuster.
Republican leaders thundered that any use of the filibuster against Alito or other Bush judicial nominees would force them to go "nuclear" by outlawing filibusters forever. Then, the Republicans could ram through whomever - or whatever - they wanted.
Rather than call the Republicans' bluff, "moderate" Democratic senators joined a bipartisan group called the "Gang of 14," which agreed to forego filibusters except in "extraordinary circumstances." And despite the alarm of many Americans about Bush's moves to eradicate the Republic, this "gang" did not believe Alito's confirmation reached the "extraordinary" standard.
So, when a few Democratic senators led by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts tried to mount a filibuster, the Senate Democratic leadership refused to put up a fight, even as their former standard bearer was mocked by Republicans as a "Swiss Miss" for first urging the filibuster while he was attending an economic conference in Davos, Switzerland.
Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan piled on Kerry at a White House press briefing. "I think even for a senator, it takes some pretty serious yodeling to call for a filibuster from a five-star ski resort in the Swiss Alps," McClellan laughed.
In support of his filibuster, Kerry could line up only 25 votes, while the Republicans amassed 72 votes for cloture - a dozen more than the 60 needed to shut off debate. Those votes included 19 Democrats.
On the final confirmation vote, however, Alito was approved by a much smaller margin, 58-42, meaning that he could have been kept off the Supreme Court if all those who considered him a poor choice had backed the filibuster.
[As for the fate of the Supreme Court, Justice Kennedy turned out to be less of an extremist than some Republicans had hoped. He joined with more moderate justices in key 5-to-4 opinions that rebuffed President Bush's assertions of unlimited powers.]
Reversing Majorities
Despite the timidity of Senate Democrats in the Alito battle, an energized Democratic "base" - joined by Republican constitutionalists - fought on against the "permanent-Republican-majority" dreams of Bush, Karl Rove and the neoconservatives. In November 2006, the Republicans were repudiated at the polls.
Suddenly in the congressional minority, the Republicans did a flip-flop on the filibuster, discovering the high principles behind the tactic. The GOP used the filibuster routinely in 2007 and 2008 to block Democratic initiatives, especially any challenges to Bush's expansive claims of executive authority.
Typical of the modern Washington press corps, its leading voices changed, too, joining the Republican chorus hailing the filibuster as an honored tradition of democracy and finding value in the need for the Democrats to muster 60 Senate votes to pass any significant bill.
Today, the press corps continues in that pattern, forgetting the GOP's earlier contempt for the filibuster and treating its use by the Republican minority against the stimulus bill as normal.
There are rarely any comments about obstructionism, nor are the Republicans compared to the Southern segregationists who famously used the filibuster to resist civil rights laws in the 1950s and 1960s.
Given this pass by the press, Republicans are making the filibuster their chief weapon in pressuring Obama and congressional Democratic to accept more of a Republican-style stimulus bill with less spending and more tax cuts, regardless of whether that represents the best hope for the U.S. economy.
But the stimulus battle is likely to be only the first taste of the GOP strategy to hobble the Obama presidency. The Republicans can be expected to use the filibuster again and again to prevent many of the social and economic changes that the American voters endorsed in November 2008, policies like national health insurance and spending on long-neglected domestic needs.
In this obstructionism, the Republicans appear to have a powerful ally in the Washington press corps that - with few exceptions - treats the GOP's promiscuous use of filibusters as some responsible application of a time-honored tradition. The press also forgets to remind the U.S. public that just a few years ago, the Republicans hated filibusters.
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Hypocrisy?
Congressional Budget Increased to pay GOP Staffers
A ten percent increase in the budget for Congressional operations was needed because Senate Republicans wanted to retain previous staff levels despite having lost roughly 20 percent of their ranks in the 2008 elections, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said Wednesday.
Congressional Republicans have been pouncing on any instance of wasteful spending they can find, but the congressional-operations line item will likely remain safe from their ire.
The one-tenth hike brings the budget for Congress itself to $4.4 billion.
Reid, asked about the increase at a press conference, initially dodged the question, speaking instead about spending in general.
The unsatisfied reporter repeated the question about a ten percent raise for the congressional budget. "How is that going to help get out of the depression?" she pressed.
Don't blame us, said Reid.
"We had a situation -- you should direct that question to Senator McConnell," he said, referring to the Senate Minority Leader, "because we had trouble organizing this year. He wanted to maintain a lot of their staffing even though they had lost huge numbers. And the only way we could get it done is to do what we did. So you should direct that question to Senator McConnell."
A McConnell spokesman didn't immediately return a phone call.
UPDATE: A GOP leadership aide is calling rubbish: "I just don't know how they can get away with blaming us for that 10 percent figure," he writes in an e-mail. "Republicans aren't getting a dime more in committee money for staff than we got last year. The entire pot of funding used to operate Senate committees and other 'inquiries and investigations' is around 3 percent of the total ($137 million of $4.4 billion). And the increase from last year's funding for the 'inquiries and investigations' account is less than 2/10ths of 1 percent of the entire bill."
He adds: "For perspective: all Senate operations funding increased 7 percent, the House funding increased 7.5 percent and the Architect of the Capitol funding increased 28 percent."
UPDATE II: A Democratic leadership aide picks up on the notion that "Republicans aren't getting a dime more," noting that while they aren't getting more, they aren't getting less, either, even though they have far fewer members.
"This would be funny if it wasn't from someone associated with the the so-called party of fiscal responsibility," writes the aide. "This is the height of hypocrisy and utterly fails to acknowledge the fact that in the past, when the spread has been like it is now, the minority party gets far less money than what they eventually got. It was an unprecedented deal that is more outrageous when you realize that they will end up voting against the bill."
Hypocrisy...........sm
Yet the government has the audacity to demand proper accounting of the auto makers, banks, etc., when it doesn't know a debit from a credit.
Hypocrisy, you say? sm
Have you never said that you would not do something and then find yourself in the position where you would have to choose between that something and something far worse? I sure hope not, because I have and it is not a pleasant place to be.
I'm not going to argue the point further, but I would like to say I think it must be wonderful for you and the others who would nail Ms. Palin to the barn door that you live such perfect and blameless lives that you can judge her for her deeds.
Do you really not see the hypocrisy?
The Christian bible also has this fun little book in it called Revelations where it includes a happy little tale about Armageddon where all the right-thinking believers get to rule the earth while the the non-believers meet their doom in a battle royale.
Just to clarify...were you educated in an Islamic school? Or do Christian schools teach that it's okay to hate and condemn groups of people, too?
Thank you for once again proving the truth of what I said about you.
Having said that, I didn't realize that you owned this board. And having said THAT, I leave you with this thought. A litany of complaints is not a solution. Your remarks are divisive and wrong. Your world view outlook is narrow and frighteningly sad and dark. THOSE are observations, not accusations.
I can't believe what I'm seeing...the HYPOCRISY is astounding....sm
If a democrat gets in in 2008, they'll be crying again for an exit strategy. True partisanship; they ride whatever wave that's in.
Agree about the hypocrisy going on.
Are you rich and make more than 250K a year? Are you happy with the way the pubs have used their power for the last 8 years? Do you know that if JM gets to be prez he will tax your healthcare benefits as part of your income, whatever amount your employer pays towards your healthcare benefits will be counted as part of your income, and that he will give you 5K to pay for health insurance when health insurance costs the average family 14K a year? Good luck in finding health insurance with $5,000. The policies of both candidates are listed on their websites. There is stark contrast between the two.
Yes, hypocrisy is breathtaking, but that's
No contest to the concept that children are off limits. But in the aftermath of all that mind numbing controversy, something else was taken off the debate table. Any voter who dares to bring policies on family values, sex education, access to birth control, abstinence and abortion prevention up for inspection will now be portrayed as a child abuser. This not only gives SP and party a distinct head start in the race away from debate on that part of their platform, but it also allows her to now trot them out to olster hone her hockey mom, superwoman, I can have it all and do it all well pitch, all the while, so far, not articlating a single issue or policy.
That's no hypocrisy, its truth (sm)
Look at the previous posts from pubs. Key words include marxist, communist, socialist, illegal alien, Muslim (like that's a bad word), anti-American, terrorist, and the list goes on. So, according to your standards, pointing this out is a smear tactic? At least the McCain campaign actually knows what a smear tactic is.
Not hypocrisy, just facts.
And yes, I do aspire to maybe some day be on that higher road with Gourdpainter, but right now I am too outraged by people like sam and her followers that have fed the fires of intolerance and diviseness. Besides, this message was for Gourdpainter, not for you!. Leave it up to you people to take the opportunity to attack anything and everything just because you're sucking on those sour grapes!
This is proving to be a very leaky
administration. I predict that for the next 3-3/4 years, whenever a bit of misdirection is needed a memo or report will be leaked or given to the press. Or some prior administration misdeed discovered and fresh outrage manufactured.
We had the DHS document casting suspision on 'radical conservatives.' Now we have the torture memo going back to heap more blame on the Bush administration for policies which Pelosi apparently signed off on. I doubt, though, that the rest of the congressional briefing minutes will ever be 'leaked' which show that she and other democrats were quite aware of the interrogation techniques being employed.
Meanwhile, activities we should legitimately be angry over are going on, which we are not supposed to notice. Hey! No! Look over here! Crazy conservatives! Torture!
Let me just go on the record as saying that no amount of money would induce me to volunteer to be tortured (you know, beaten cut, burned - severe pain or harm). But cut me a check (certified only, please) with a number followed by a whole lot of zeros and I would be waterboarded (strictly in the interest of science). Our special forces are trained to withstand this and other 'harsh' interrigation techniques. I believe Demi Moore actually was waterboarded for the movie GI Jane. It's scary and unpleasant but way different from having your fingernails pulled out or a field generator and alligator clips used. Or listening to an Obama lecture. Now THAT's torture!
Your opinion, so you see it as hypocrisy.
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The ultimate hypocrisy coming from you! nm
Not nearly as *good* as you proving what a fool you are
by attributing something to me that I never said.
I made a mistake. You thrive on attention. I said I was going to ignore you. From now on, I will give you the attention you truly deserve: NONE.
Find someone else to judge, despise and attack and/or get some professional help. I won't feed your anger and hatred any more.
You need a Happy Meal.
Have a lovely evening, dear. Buh-bye.
The hypocrisy is mind baffling...sm
In the very same week that they come out criticizing the Clinton administration for the VERY same thing. They have a clear shot on 150 Taliban militants and do what - nothing.
Newt Gingrich even said this is equivocal to figthing a part-time war.
Abuse of power/hypocrisy seems to be
What is clear is that, slimy or not, she still used her office in an inappropriate manner to influence the outcome of a family dispute. What's ethical about that? The slimy trooper and the disposition of his divorce/custody case is supposed to be left up to the family courts and it not typically resolved by manipulation and interference by the Governor's office, now is it? Ethically challenged ethics clean-up maiden. Not my idea of a great pick.
Assessing sincerity vs hypocrisy of
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Not deflecting....just showing your hypocrisy.
Acceptable in a Democrat, does not affect his ability to be President...but a Republican is a poon dog.
Takes the air out of the criticism somewhat doncha think?
Hypocrisy is aplogizing and blaming someone else
Voters are tired...real tired...of this party's double speak.
You know, I hate hypocrisy. You want to direct me
back to God's Word?
When you can show me in God's Word where He approves of what Osambo approves, then we can talk.
Let's talk abortion, gay marriage, taxes, lying, cheating, subversion of government, indoctrination of preschoolers, redefining marriage, etc., a whole litany of what Osambo stands for and compare it to God Almighty's Word.
I warn you in advance. You are up against an adversary you do not want to tackle with because you are ill prepared to defend your comments and beliefs in the light of Scripture.
Ready to go for it, old girl?
Actually you are proving that YOU have the closed mind here - sm
You know absolutely nothing about me. I hate Survivor and so-called reality TV - nothing more than the dumbing down of America, as far as I'm concerned.
Actually I don't know much about Mr Icke; granted he may be a deep thinker, in some ways. However, I think he is slightly off-kilter for that single book / theory about the reptilians. Can we judge his credibility regarding other ideas because of that book? Yes? Unless he's just spouting theories to make some $$ off the gullible public?? Possible, no?
I'm actually quite a fan of conspiracy theorists and those who think outside the box (esp coverups, religion, war, etc, in these horrific days of Bush-Cheney domination).
I remember the debate. And of course this is not word for word, I NEVER said...sm
*because I'm not.* This is a LIE that I got tired of arguing with them about then. Unless you are confusing me with an old poster that went under the moniker Demo.
Sambo thinks last word=best word...
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You said you enjoyed proving people wrong...
then provide your source. And provide some more current statistics. That is all I asked for. A simple request. If you can't, you can't. No biggie.
Let's talk about the Clinton family hypocrisy on...
law enforcement, and then the Kennedy family hypocrisy on law enforcement...if we are going to talk about ANY family and law enforcement in politics...shall we??
Obama is already proving to be a liar and stealer
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Typical Republicant hypocrisy. Ya gotta love it!
He questions "whether encouraging homemakers to become lawyers contributes to the common good," and then he turns around and marries a LAWYER!
This isn't surprising to me at all. Bush's is doing nothing but taking us backwards in time, whether it regards science or civil rights. The only area that is moving forward by leaps and bounds and progressing at an alarming rate is the price of gasoline.
Excellent post!!!! The hypocrisy is astounding...Very good info! nm
yep. Its Fox. Just googled it. word for word. nm
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Not one word. One defitinion of a word.
Cult: 1. A system of religious worship or ritual.
Or how about this:
Cult: A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
Or my personal favorite:
Cult: A self-identified group of people who share a narrowly defined interest or perspective.
I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
is the the starting point or the end point for the middle class?
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