And only those with completely closed minds would
Posted By: totally dismiss it. sm on 2008-09-02
In Reply to: Only the fringiest of the fringe could seriously - Think this has political significance. sm
Years ago, it might have seemed ridiculous and been dismissed as a conspiracy theory that there were terrorists living amongst us right here in the USA, learning how to fly our planes, and being groomed for YEARS to attack and kill us on 9/11. Based on that alone, I would not for one second put it past a crazed bunch to groom someone from birth to serve their purpose.
Things that make you go hmmmm....
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No one is trying to change your closed minds...
we are discussing, just like you are. O, as you call him, is the candidate of change...right down the slippery slope further into socialism. That is change I DON'T believe in. No amount of spin on his part is going to change that fact.
Closed minds don't get nourished and thus can't grow. nm
Your mind is closed.
I have no desire to talk to the likes of you.
Actually you are proving that YOU have the closed mind here - sm
You know absolutely nothing about me. I hate Survivor and so-called reality TV - nothing more than the dumbing down of America, as far as I'm concerned.
Actually I don't know much about Mr Icke; granted he may be a deep thinker, in some ways. However, I think he is slightly off-kilter for that single book / theory about the reptilians. Can we judge his credibility regarding other ideas because of that book? Yes? Unless he's just spouting theories to make some $$ off the gullible public?? Possible, no?
I'm actually quite a fan of conspiracy theorists and those who think outside the box (esp coverups, religion, war, etc, in these horrific days of Bush-Cheney domination).
Good...that hellhole should be closed down
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And...most of the shops are closed Saturdays
afternoon and Sundays.
Sure thing....case closed. JM has character....
Obama does not.
Just because someone does not come on after your final barb, doesn't mean I think you're right.
You are largely non-debatable anyway, and one-note choir.
Typical closed-minded, my-way-or-the-highway,
(which means, "Waste of Our Time").
Actually, I find YOUR post closed-minded
nm
Wow, my post was totally and completely respectful and yours is totally and completely not. sm
what a surprise. Can't stand to be corrected or proven wrong, can you. Have to call everyone a liar, don't you. Got to tell people to stick things somewhere, don't you. TSK TSK TSK Anger management might be helpful.
Berg Lawsuit Thrown Out - Case Closed
Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot
By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News
hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656
A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.
Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.
Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president.
He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised.
U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.
Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.
They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.
Surrick agreed.
In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.
Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."
For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.)
Berg could not be reached for comment last night.
Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there.
Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery.
The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate.
Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4.
With the President meeting with the Republicans in closed door talks to come to agreements,.....sm
find middle ground, listen to their concerns, and try to modify where needed? Condemn and Condemn, has a Republican come forward with an alternative package? George was handing out money o the banking pirates before he left office, remember?
Built into this plan, which is very complex, are social programs for schools, which are going down fast, health aid, food stamps for those who have lost their jobs and need to eat while looking for new jobs that Obama is tring to create, funds to build companies to work with alternative energy and green solutions to get us less dependent on foreign oil and stop poisoning our earth.....
There is no quick fix!!! Just like the Great Depression, it is going to take time to reap all the benefits from this package, but they are meant to be real, lasting jobs and benefits to our society, not a quick boo-boo bandaide,which is all that Bush could provide with his quickie tax rebates!!!! Take off the jaundiced glasses and blinders, forget party lines and affiliations, and just go to MSN or CNN and read the copious outlines there.
We do have minds of our own
I have a mind of my own. I listen to the politicians and decide who I feel is a better candidate for me. When you put Obama up against the other two candidates it isn't hard for me to decide who I want in the white house and as a representative of our country. Yes it's true that most politicians do lie and most politicians are crooks, but some are good. Not once in my lifetime has there been a candidate that's been for the middle class. They all say they are going to get rid of tax cuts for the most wealthiest but they don't (both sides are guilty). They all promise us everything and never deliver once they are in. I too am sick of crooked politicians, but I just don't get that feeling from Obama. Out of any of them I believe he will do the most good for the country and the citizens of the country. I like his ideas and his plans. I like his family and he's got a good sense of humor. There is no way I'll vote for McCain, and the Clintons should be in jail for half the stuff they've pulled in their careers (both of them).
While one side of me says to protest bad candidates and not vote, my conscience tells me I should vote for who I think would be the better candidate and would do the best job in there and have compassion for the middle class. Someone who is concerned and has the best plan about education, the economy, security at our borders, illegal immigration, health care, and the list goes on.
To say that everyone who votes for Obama is voting for him just because everyone else is voting for him is an insult to everyone who believes in him. So if you don't want to vote then don't. However, most of us do have a brain and can think for ourselves. What you said is just rude and insulting to us.
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Only in the minds of the
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A lot is on our minds
With this election, there's a lot on most people's minds right now and most are scared beyond words that can be expressed. As I sit here I seriously imagine what our country would be like with Obama as a president, after all polls are in his favor, right? so most assume he has already won. On a more uplifting note though the polls are now changing in McCains favor and that is hopeful for people like me and others who care so deeply to preserve this great country. As I sit and think what our country would be like if he gets in just really hits a nerve and is so frightening I'm glad a lot of my loved ones have passed on so they will not have to face what lies ahead if he gets in. Of course the liberals will come back with "give me a break" or "please", and they will not see this post the same as a lot of us do. And most will not even read this whole post, but will cut it down anyway without knowing the full content of it. But why don't you sit and imagine what the country would be like with McCain and you will understand what we feel with Obama (or maybe you won't). However, our fears are based on facts. The most important issues for me is is the safety of our country, our economy, and upholding our constitution and preserving the freedoms our founding father's risked their lives for. I'll attach a link at the end of this that describes what happened to them. But know this...they risked their lives and they were scared beyond words. If you ever watched the HBO series John Adams the actors portrayed those men very well, and the looks on their faces and what they must have felt when they were creating the Declaration is the same way I feel as I sit and think about an Obama presidency. It scares me beyond all imaginings. I think back to our founding father's and what they must have gone through to sign The Declaration. Here is a quote I found from an article which I will put the link below. The link is not a verification of anything, I just found it just a very interesting article and I wanted to pass it on. The article states (I'm copying and pasting so please forgive if the spacing or alignment is off):
So, on July 4th, 1776, our Continental Congress dared to declare that we 13 colonies, the United States of America, must be and are free and independent of King George. They knew that this was a treasonous act. They knew that signing the Declaration of Independence meant a death sentence for every one of them if they were caught.
Where did these 56 men get the courage to sign the Declaration of Independence? "
If Obama is elected (and we do not know yet if he will be), but if he is our lives will change dramatically (and not for the better). First and most importantly to me and others is that you will have the first president ever who was able to change the constitution to allow a person born on foreign soil to "rule" our country. But that should not surpirse a lot because Obama does not believe in the constitution. His words are "The constitution reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day". Then if by some chance we have all 3 branches of the government democrat, no doubt in many's mind is that he will change the constitution. Everything our founding fathers did to make this a free country for all will be gone. The truth about Obama is out for many to see, but many who have been mesmerized by his good looks and calming voice they have a hard time differentiating what is real from what Obama tells you what you want to hear.
So between him not being American born and refusing to provide proof, him refusing to release his medical records, his relationship ship with Ayers, Weather Underground, Wright (which I'm sure a lot of people don't know that Obama said in an interview that he went twice a month for 20 years, which meant that he sat through hate-filled sermons twice a month for 20 years and never got up and walked out), his redistribution of weath, his ties to radical muslims, receiving money for his campaign from the enemies who want us wiped off the planet, ACORN, voter fraud, buying votes, etc., etc., those are just a few of the many worries I think about when I imagine what it will be like if Obama gets in.
While I know most of the posters on this board are set in their minds on who they will vote for (or have already voted for), maybe there are a few that are just not quite sure. So while this post will not pursuade anyone for or against Obama it is just to express my fears (though no words can express the feelings).
Anyway...here are a couple good links I found below.
http://asburyerie.org/files/sermon%20written/Our%20Country,%20'Tis%20of%20Thee%20-%20July%206,%202008.doc
http://swordattheready.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/obama-says-constitution-is-a-charter-of-negative-liberties/
http://keelynet.com/4th99.htm
http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/update-update.html
He's probably trying to win the *hearts and minds*
of the Iranians........before he nukes 'em. 
No need to make up our minds.
nm
Everyone has already made up their minds
Why berate the point? There are no undecideds here.
You got that right...there is nothing you can say to change our minds!
:D
WOW! You read minds, too? sm
Amazing!!!!
I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10. C'mon, I know you can do this.
I think you underestimate the young minds...sm
Thought I'll agree the walkout probably was not for political reasons so much so as for what they believe is right. Do you think they probably have a lot of respect for this teacher? Maybe. It is possible to be passionate about something other than cutting class as a teenager. I know I was, and so is my daughter who just turned 13.
I also have to give you the point that the teacher should have stayed on the subject matter of the class. If you're hired to teach geography then teach geograpy BUT we don't have the privlege of seeing the course outlines, book, etc. It may not be so cut and dry as capitols, states, and what have you. So before you call for his head on a plank you should at least know that much. Whose to say that this course was not comingled with history and this teacher was within his right to bring up subjects to provoke thought. I don't see the problem with that.
Listening to the message in a whole, I don't see a problem in what the teacher said excpt that he may have deviated from the subject matter. And the fact still remains that we don't know the totality of the course description.
Okay....then let's just say neither of them are liars. They just changed their minds.
I'll go with that. My entire point is that you can't really call one of them a liar and say the other just "changed his/her mind."
Great minds think alike! LOL ; )
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People who use their minds to decide what they do
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Only in the minds of the deluded partisans
unable to justify McSame's own evil associations, the W being top of the heap.
Tiny minds = easily boggled...nm
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He sure is, the far libbies minds kind of weed that out.
Truman and Johnson both had sharp minds.
They may not have been polished but they could think on their own and put an entire sentence together all on their own. Truman, I believe, said **The buck stops here.*** Being a war time president, he took full responsibility for what was going on on his watch for which he was much admired, here and abroad. Johnson gave us civil rights. I did not much like Johnson personally but I admired what he did. He said **I have just given the south to the Republicans** when he signed civil rights into law, but, he had the courage of his convictions and did the right thing, control or no control, votes or no votes. I cannot say the same about the current administration. To them the buck stops anywhere but with them and they would do ANYTHING to keep their party in control, sacrifice a few seats here and there in order to do the right thing, not in this lifetime, not if it means losing control.
Interesting you should mention 2 Democrats as unpolished but (I assume) decent presidents.
It IS important that our president can express himself well. We as a nation look more and more weakened because our leader does not read and cannot produce a complete sentence to save his soul; and he was elected to be OUR president and the leader of the free world. What does that say about all of us. The more situations deteriorate the more inarticulate he becomes. America has always been the mediator in the Middle East but this time, the Italians and the French OMG showed up first. Norway and Greece were the first on the scene to move Americans out of Lebanon. When asked if they were surprised that the first to show up were not Americans, the Americans in Lebanon said ***NO, I mean, look at Katrina. We thought we would be here a long long time.*** I know that many on the right don't care what the world thinks of us but I do and I think it is always best to have allies. This administration just burns bridges. Scary Scary Stuff.
I agree. I do not post to change minds that...
cannot be changed. However, a lot of people come here to read and never post, and I think people should see both sides of an issue posted. You can't make an informed decision with only one side of things...or you shouldn't. That is what America is about. Thanks for your post!
In other words, they speak their minds like Keith
and every other idjit liberal news outlet out there? What's the big deal. CNN sent out a whacko nutjob reporter who provoked and harrassed and accused protestors who were just minding their business. Don't see you on here ranting about that.....
Great minds think alike...I'll be watching as well.nm
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Involving is one thing....not allowing them to make up their own minds...
is quite another. Called indoctrination. It worked on you, I have to admit.
Americans have lost their minds or just dont care.
nm
You mean, it's impossible to change intelligent people's minds!
You can call us what you want; however, intelligent people are not fazed by the comments of those who live in fear and enjoy wallowing in their own misery.
Yes, I agree, let's try a juicier subject, as the political minds
of the Republicans showed to be confined to a CAGE.
Maybe in this subject they have more experience and can contribute better.
Look, I offered to leave once and gt asked me to stay. So which is it? Make up your minds. SM
You all are doing plenty of bashing on the conservative board right now, but that probably isn't YOU. wink wink nod nod.. I don't want to destroy the collective consciousness that is putting our soldiers lives at risk so I'll leave, but only cuz you asked so nice.
Look I offered to leave and gt asked me to stay. Make up your minds. nm
Simple minds, shriveled old souls who get their jollies stirring up muck.
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Actually you are so completely right..
...I am every single person that has ever posted on the liberal board. You have obviously found me out. I have so many different monikers it is very very difficult to keep them straight.
As far as my being mad or angry as you suppose, no not in the least. Most of my energy is spent trying to change syntax and moniker as often as possible on the MT Stars liberal board.
you are completely right
Of course it is an important day! As it should always be, and you are completely right about it should not be any different had a white man been put in office. Every time it is called a "historic" day that makes it about RACE, exactly what he said it wasn't about.
Seriously, how can you people argue that?
and get over the Bush thing. bush did a lot of stupid things and he spent way too much
so what makes obama different from bush in the spending category on his FIRST DAY??
you are completely right
Of course it is an important day! As it should always be, and you are completely right about it should not be any different had a white man been put in office. Every time it is called a "historic" day that makes it about RACE, exactly what he said it wasn't about.
Seriously, how can you people argue that?
and get over the Bush thing. bush did a lot of stupid things and he spent way too much
But Obama is filling his footsteps real quickly isn't he... and more
You completely said it all.
We are infidels, anyone who does not worship their God! In order for their Messiah to come, they have to KILL AS MANY INFIDELS as they can. In order to do this, they have to kill the Big God and the Little God. United States is the Big God and Israel is the Little God. There is no reasoning with people from Iran or other Muslim countries who worship their Allah. They want their Messiah to come desperately and the only way and I mean the ONLY WAY TO HAVE THEIR MESSIAH COME IS TO KILL US. It is their Bible.
I strongly believe we will have war right here in our country, soon.
Yes, you're completely correct. So we should do nothing to
only answer is hop around the globe, play eenie, meenie, miney, moe and choose another sovereign country to invade.
It didn't happen here.....yet. But every single terrorism expert believes it's not a matter of if but a matter of WHEN. And Bush is helping them by not protecting us satisfactorily and by providing THEM with OTJ training in Iraq.
Yes, I think I'm beginning to "get" it.
As far as what I feel about Conservatives, I've voted Republican a number of times in my life, so don't tell me what I think because you haven't a clue. I vote for the candidate, not the party, and if Bush and Kerry are the best this country can offer up, we need to worry about much more than terrorists.
You are completely unhinged
Your posts show how completely filled with rage and hatred you are. I have not called anyone a name, but you just called me many. Enough said.
I agree completely.
Mentally ill, angry, hateful, and getting more out of control by the minute.
I suggest we don't read their/her posts any more and don't attempt to respond to them. If they don't have an audience for the insane hatred they spew, maybe they will go away. There's no point, anyway. As in my post below, if I hold up three fingers and YOU see three fingers and the rest of the WORLD sees three fingers, they will only see ONE finger, turn it into something ugly and hateful and then and accuse me of giving them the bird. How in the world can someone communicate with people like that?
I say we just start to ignore them before they pollute this board any further than they already have. It's getting out of control.
They're turning the Liberal board into a sewer like they did the Conservative board.
You are completely wrong about
Bush not a friend of Bin Laden. That's what is so disgusting about his war on terror. Bush and his family have been friends with the Bin Laden clan for decades, that's how they made their money. You might have to read a little bit to find the facts, but those are FACTS and cannot be changed, unless he is going to rewrite history too.
Taken COMPLETELY out of context
You liberals will go to any all lengths to take down this president down even lying. Personally, the president can take care of his self, and he doesn't need me to defend him, but you took so many statements out of context here it's not funny. Most people have been thankful for their evacuation, but the media has targeted the ingrates. This is not the issue here though. The issue is that you all have it in for the president, conservatives or any one who doesn't think exactly like you. If someone disagrees or has an opinion different than you you immediately yell attack. Your agenda is very clear, pathetic but clear.
I agree completely.....and would just add
I pray it can be done with minimal loss of life on the part of our military and the Iraqis who are brave enough to keep lining up to become policemen and military, even though their losses have been staggering. God bless and protect them all, American and Iraqi alike.
Happy New Year to you too!
I agree completely, however,
we know it won't be about substance as much as everyone's personal business. I could not care less what a person's faith is if he/she has the experience necessary, has above-average intelligence, a working knowledge of our own government, its history on the tip of his/her tongue, is quick on his/her feet and appears to be a qualified person, a person who is extremely well versed in the complexities that exist outside our own borders, someone who eats, sleeps, breathes history, politics, public service, someone who is a diplomat, and someone who can inspire us all to do better, to be better. But the tabloid stuff has already started and a lot of it has to do with Mormonism. I don't think a Morman has ever run for president, so this is apt to be a huge issue. Whether or not he can do the job will be secondary, maybe tertiary.
You have completely discounted what I said about...
the President visiting personally with families of fallen Iraqi soldiers. I have seen it covered numerous times. Why do you not accept that, and find fault that he has not actually attended a funeral? Why do you discount that his presence would turn a funeral into a media circus? It is not like he and Laura can fire up the Chevy and just go in and sit down like anyone else. Get a grip, Lurker. No family who had lost someone would want that...whether than be an Iraqi soldier or Jamey Bishop killed at V Tech. This is all about Bush and your hatred of him and of this administration. Clinton did not go personally to any of the funerals that I know of, he did not meet with the family of that soldier whose body was dragged behind the Jeep in Somalia on national television...but I do NOT find fault with him for that. It does seem like you are grasping at straws to find fault. Yes, soldiers have died in Iraq. The civilians being killed is horrible; killing happens in war. These civilians, however, are being killed by their own. They were being killed by Hussein before; they are being killed by their own now. Which is better? The fact that when Hussein was killing them we weren't there? They were still being killed. So, it was okay for them to be killed by gas, or killed in torture chambers, and your sensibilities were not offendeed; however, now that they are being killed by their own by car bombs and the like, that is somehow horrible because the US is there? Either you are horrified at civilian deaths or you are not. Your justification, and the justification of the man in the article makes no sense to me. That is what I do not understand about the left...you seem to trot out compassion when you want to make a point, yet are curiously silent if the same situation does not fit your agenda. Frankly, I do not understand that thinking. You cannot let the President's compassion for the victims of V Tech just stand...you have to demean it by saying where was his compassion for soldiers killed in Iraq. Pardon me if I don't understand it...and I, frankly, don't. If you had no problem with him being in VA Tech, then you should not have come on and posted criticizing him and comparing the two things. That seriously puts your *compassion* in question. Sorry, but that is how I see it.
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