And Bush inherited a lot of crap from Clinton
Posted By: icytoes on 2009-02-16
In Reply to: It is like the old song Love and Marriage - Bushwacked
And Clinton inherited a lot from Bush Sr., etc, etc.
It's like the Sunny & Cher song....and the beat goes on.
What a president does while in office will determine if they become a good president or not. Right now Obama is not off to a good start. As his slogan goes one can only "hope" that it will get better.
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Bush inherited Powell from Clinton who inherited him from Reagan.
Bush wouldn't have had the sense to pick Powell all by himself. Have you heard the latest on Condi? She's been palling around with senior Hamas leaders, sending them thank you notes and such.
Here's how that other thing works. When the fringers stop lying, dems stop denying. It's not that complicated.
Bush inherited..
...Clinton's mess, not the least of which was the setup for 9/11. Its effect on our economy is also a factor in our current problems. Every president gets to deal with the other guy's leavings. It was FDR's continual tinkering with our economy (let's try this; no, let's try that; now let's try something else) which prolonged the Great Depression for a decade. Sometimes the best thing to do is....nothing!
Bush was wrong, as well, to fall in with the we've-got-to-do-SOMETHING crowd. But the pork-loaded *stimulus* package that has been passed is just a crime.
So, give Obama more time to prove himself? If somebody puts his hand in my pocket, I'm pretty sure it's to take some thing out, not to give me a gift. And if he were giving me a gift, I would prefer it not be something he just extracted from somebody ELSE's pocket.
(Not to split hairs, but Obama has been in office 4 weeks, unless you count his term back to the election.)
Bush inherited a 559 billion surplus nuff said? NM
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Bush inherited a 559 billion surplus nuff said? NM
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Tired of choosing between crap and crap?
I posted "over there" and so I figured I'd post over here, too. Anyone else tired of party wars and sheep mentality and more interested in the Constitutional Republic that made us what we are now?
Clinton/Bush
Again, GT brought the whole subject up about presidential integrity. I just wanted to see GT's feeling about what Clinton did, but of course, GT justified Clinton's lies which was what I fully expected. Again, Bush hasn't been proven to lie. Like I have said several times before on this board I will be the first to cry uncle if Bush is proven to have lied by investigation and that doesn't include accusations and conjecture by liberal politicians, grieving mothers, or leftist bloggers.
Clinton/Bush
Again, GT brought the whole subject up about presidential integrity. I just wanted to see GT's feeling about what Clinton did, but of course, GT justified Clinton's lies which was what I fully expected. Again, Bush hasn't been proven to lie. Like I have said several times before on this board I will be the first to cry uncle if Bush is proven to have lied by investigation and that doesn't include accusations and conjecture by liberal politicians, grieving mothers, or leftist bloggers.
Clinton vs Bush
Clinton gave us 8 years of peace and prosperity DESPITE the opposition of the neocons throughout his administration. Bush failed over and over again DESPITE having party control of both houses. The leadership ability simply speaks for itself. Looking forward to Hill and Bill in charge again. The neocon fanatics have destroyed themselves by their own hand. So be it.
I'm not going to get into the Clinton vs Bush lies because
I don't know if Bush has lied intentionally or not, but it is pretty clear to me that the case made to go to war in Iraq was fabricated. If you ever get a chance watch Dead Wrong on CNN. This is not a politically motivated show just facts.
Is Clinton your only defence for Bush?
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This is about Katrina/Bush, not Clinton.
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Uh oh.......Bill Clinton, not BUSH
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You mean 16 years - Both Bush AND Clinton
Disastrous!
Clinton 65% - Bush 28% and falling!
Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating. George W. Bush has an approval rating of 28% and still falling.
Period! 
Interview with Clinton RE: Bush's deficit
Tax cuts are always popular, Clinton said. But about half of these tax cuts since 2001 have gone to people in my income group, the top 1 percent. I've gotten four tax cuts.
Now, what Americans need to understand is that that means every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina and our tax cuts, Clinton added. We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense. I think it's wrong.
Clinton also discussed bringing world leaders together to combat the world's chronic problems — including extreme poverty, global warming and religious conflicts — as well as the Hurricane Katrina recovery effort and Hillary Clinton's political future.
The interview follows:
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Mr. President, good to see you again.
FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON: Thank you, George.
STEPHANOPOULOS: We're here on your initiative, and I want to talk about that, but let's begin with Katrina. President Bush has brought you into the recovery effort, but he's not taking all of your advice. You say roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy. He says no tax increase of any kind. We're spending $5 billion a month in Iraq, probably $200 billion on Katrina. Something's got to give.
CLINTON: Well, that's what I think. I think this idea — I think it's very important that Americans understand, you know, tax cuts are always popular, but about half of these tax cuts since 2001 have gone to people in my income group, the top 1 percent. I've gotten four tax cuts.
They're responsible for this big structural deficit, and they're not going away, the deficits aren't. Now, what Americans need to understand is that that means every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina and our tax cuts. We have never done this before. Never in the history of our republic have we ever financed a conflict, military conflict, by borrowing money from somewhere else.
STEPHANOPOULOS: The president is not going to move. What do Democrats do?
CLINTON: They should continue to oppose it, and they should make it an issue in the 2006 election, and they should make it an issue in the 2008 election. And they should hope, to goodness, for the sake of our country, that the cows don't come home before we have time to rectify it.
I mean, sooner or later, just think what would happen if the Chinese — We're pressing the Chinese now, a country not nearly rich as America per capita, to keep loaning us money with low interest to cover my tax cut, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Katrina and at the same time to raise the value of their currency so their imports into our country will become more expensive, and our exports to them will become less expensive. And by the way, we don't want to let them buy any oil companies or anything like that.
So what if they just got tired of buying our debt? What if the Japanese got tired of doing it? Japan's economy is beginning to grow again. Suppose they decided they wanted to keep some of their money at home and invest it in Japan, because they're starting to grow?
We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense. I think it's wrong.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Is there anything coming out of this initiative here that you can apply directly to Katrina and the poverty we saw revealed there?
CLINTON: Oh, yes, we have raised quite a bit of money for Katrina here. And former President Bush and I, you know, we were asked to raise money. We already have $90 million to $100 million. And what we're trying to do is make sure that our money goes directly to the poorest people who have been dislodged by working with church groups and others. We're working on some mechanisms now to do that, and we'll have some announcements in the next week or so.
But I think there will be a lot of money coming forward from the federal government. A lot of it will be necessary, you know, to build the infrastructure, rebuild the fabric of life and not simply in New Orleans but along the Gulf Coast.
STEPHANOPOULOS: The Gulf Coast.
CLINTON: Yes; you know, keep in mind, Mississippi was devastated. Everything from a mile in Mississippi was blown down, and Alabama, but we've got to do that.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Excuse me; the problems of race that were tied to poverty here, and I know you don't think there's any conscious racism at play in the response, but we saw one more time blacks and whites looked at this event through very different eyes. What can President Bush do about that, and looking back, do you think there was anything more you could have done as president?
CLINTON: Well, I think we did a good job of disaster management.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But the racial divide.
CLINTON: Well, I think we did a good job of that. For example, we had the lowest African-American unemployment, the lowest African-American poverty rate ever recorded. We had the highest homeownership, highest business ownership, and we moved 100 times as many people out of poverty in eight years as had been moved out in the previous 12 years.
This is a matter of public policy, and whether it's race-based or not, if you give your tax cuts to the rich and hope everything works out all right, and poverty goes up, and it disproportionately affects black and brown people, that's a consequence of the action made. That's what they did in the '80s; that's what they've done in this decade.
I did not post to start a Clinton/Bush war
Obviously there is a fundamental difference between those who support Bush and those who don't. We don't think the same way. Arguing about it gets us no where. I WILL be voting for a Democrat and I wanted some other opinions about the Democratic candidates. I did not want to bash anyone. I feel that all of the candidates are very good in their own ways. I just thought maybe someone would bring up good points that I may not have thought of.
i was actually trying to remember if this happened with Clinton and Bush...
Did Bush give speeches before he became president? I of course cannot remember last month let alone eight years ago.... After the election I noticed how often I saw him speaking out and i thoght it was a little weird since he's not president yet. I understand he is getting a head start and saying what he is going to do etc. etc. but i still find it a bit odd. but again, i can't remember if this is "normal" for the president elect to come in and kind of take over before the actual inauguration date...
you got Bush mixed up with Bill Clinton...it was....(sm)
all Clinton's cronies who ended up on Wall Street, FM/FM, etc., in charge, who were still there when everything tanked.....Clinton's cronies have profited, not Bush's
The original post was about Bush not Clinton.
Bush is the one who is trying to claim that he has kept the United States safe from terrorist attacks, not Bill Clinton. You are right about one thing. I cannot stand George W. Bush. He he has been an embarrassment to the United States, destroyed our economy, and sullied our reputation throughout the world.
Bush Sr and Clinton to Share Liberty Medal
Former Presidents Bush, Clinton to Share Liberty Medal
Friday, June 30, 2006
PHILADELPHIA — Former presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, who put politics aside to help raise more than $1 billion for disaster relief efforts, will share the 2006 Liberty Medal, officials said Thursday.
The award annually honors an individual or organization that has demonstrated leadership and vision in the pursuit of liberty of conscience or freedom from oppression, ignorance, or deprivation.
Bush, a Republican, and Clinton, a Democrat, joined forces last year to aid Gulf Coast victims of Hurricane Katrina through the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund. Earlier, they formed the Bush-Clinton Tsunami Partnership to help survivors of the December 2004 tsunami that killed more than 200,000 people in southeast Asia.
The former leaders will accept the medal and its accompanying $100,000 prize on Oct. 5 at the National Constitution Center, in what will be the first Liberty Medal given under the center's management.
First awarded in 1989, the Liberty Medal was previously administered by regional civic groups including the Philadelphia Foundation and Greater Philadelphia First.
Click here for the Natural Disaster Content Center
Past Liberty Medal recipients include Polish union leader Lech Walesa, former President Jimmy Carter, former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, South African leaders F.W. de Klerk and Nelson Mandela, former Secretary of State Colin Powell and, most recently, Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko.
Six recipients of the medal have subsequently won the Nobel Peace Prize
If it Clinton screwed something up - why didn't Bush fix it? He had 8 years!
As much as you want to blame Bill Clinton......don't forget who held the reins for the last 8 years......who let them run amuck? Why was nothing done?
Check out the mortgage failures.
Tell me which failed more, prime or subprime
Tell me what is the rate of failures under the CRA or even Bush's ADDI (which i attack alll the time)
Once again, REALITY AND THE DATA doesn't fit ya'lls claims.
Basically what happened was.. we reformed bankruptcy laws.. so that people who ran into dire straights could not restructure.
We packaged the loans into commodity derivatives. These are sorta mirror bets on the loans. Sorta..as the same loan will be sold many times in many derivative packages.. that's why the housing derivatives are worth more than all the real estate in the US. Derivatives are actually not that bad.. when a market is stable and only has to deal with natural forces. The housing market was bubbled.. partially due to low interest rates that encouraged everyone to buy, even the rich, and partially due to the CRA and the ADDI.. which did add customers to the market (helping form the bubble was the extent the CRA and the ADDI had in this mess)
All it took was a few failures to pop the bubble..and make real estate prices drop,. and mind you, it was mainly prime loans (READ not loans given to poor people and not loans under the CRA) that failed. The derivative market.,.which like I said, is really mirrors of the same loans.. cause the defaults to explode with ten times the ferocity, because one loan could effect the price of dozens of derivatives.
Really the poor and even irresponsible people .. simply did not have the economic ability to cause this mess. Pool all their money together and waste it on hookers.. it would have zero effect without help from the rich elites and their magnifying packaged derivatives.
THE CRA and ADDI both had stricter requirements than loans you got from normal banks.. both required income data.. where many prime loans did not.. they also greatly limited you on how much home you could purchase..whereas private banks did not care if you tried to buy something you could not afford.
Don't believe me?.. Look in the phone book.. call your own housing authority - you can get a loan for 106% the purchase price of a home even today.. if you're poor enough.
Ask to hear the red tape and hoops you must go through.. Heck, it is probably easier to just get a real job and earn real money than go through the FHA.
I'd say Bush paid closer attention than did the Clinton administration!
Bin Laden was on the radar during the Clinton administration and yet the potential threat he posed was virtually ignored!
Not the same at all! The man inherited a national crisis,,,,,,sm
the likes of which have not been seen since the Great Depression, he had no hand at all in creating it. But he was brave enough and altruistic enough to come forward and TRY to bring changes that WOULD HELP OUR COUNTRY IN THE LONG RUN. Do you like instant Cup-A-Soup and coffee, because you and so many others are putting the RIDICULOUS load on Obama's shoulders to INSTANTLY come up with the perfect answer to all the crises (and yes, this is a multi-dimentional problem, no quick fix here), make everyone happy, snap his fingers, and poof the big bad depression that has been brewing for a LONG TIME since the Bush administration, and I say that because under President Clinton we had record surpluses in our nation, and by the by, you think W. was well-polished, well-experienced to head this country just cuz Daddy did? Come off it, he hired most of Daddy's friend and cabinet, he took his cues, but the poor guy could not even speak well, even with his Yale education. This man has been in office 4 months versus the past 8 years, a bit of inequity here?
Obama inherited what he voted for! nm
He does not want "big government", but the big MESS he inherited and is now taking on.....sm
as Bush never would (and he was the president that kept insisting we were not in a recession right up to the crash, remember, and did absolutely NOTHING), the possible solutions, ever hear "desparate times requires desperate measures?" There are so many widesweeping changes go be made, it does take MONEY and work and forsight to fight problems this big. So before you condemn, try to wrap your partisan mind aroudn the MAMMOTH problems this man is willing to try to solve for our society, our country, or future, and stop try to make it a partisan problem, we are all Americans, we have a president working hard for answers, he is not God, his is not Superman, but he is trying to undo all the damage left behind....would you want to inherit this huge catastrophe??? I would not, I give him so much credit for trying so hard. Mistakes yes, but did Bush try to do anything as the train wreck was about to happen????? NO.
Cut the crap already!
The below question was asked on August 24, and MT responded as quoted below.
Are the Bush supporters, those who voted for him, are you going to join the civilian corps to support the cause you believe in?
MT: Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all. NM
For crying out loud, it's still on the board!! When are you people going to get smart enough to figure out that you can't lie about your words once you've put them in writing and they're still there for everyone to see???!! Just because Bush does it all the time doesn't mean that it's okay, because the majority of Americans are sick of him and his lies, as well!!
And, yes, I know what you mean about feeling dirty and needing a shower. I feel that way every time I'm accosted by a liar that believes it's superior. EWWWWWWWWW YUCK!
Go back to your own board. Nobody from this board has bothered you there, and you and those of your ilk just can't stand it, can you??
No crap for me either (nm)
Well crap....they took it off.
They had another one like this one and it was taken off too. Evidently it struck a nerve with some people. It was a really good video too. That sucks.
Sorry you didn't get to see it. You would have liked it. It basically showed facts pointing to the financial crisis starting back with Carter and then with Clinton and linking Dodd and Obama and how their name kept coming up with all of this. Pretty much pointed the finger of blame to dems. It had some really good music with it too.
It is just such crap
used more bad language today than I have in I don't know how long.... flippin' aggravating...WOODEN ARROWS????? WHAT THE HECK IS THAT????
the same old crap we need
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OH CRAP. DOW BELOW 8,000
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When would it be okay to add this crap?
I don't understand where it's okay that the taxpayers (i.e. you and me) should pay for new furniture for a government office or new cars to government employees or pay for Hollywood producers to buy movies? When did it become okay for us to fund this kind of garbage? And why are the people in Congress who think this is okay still in Congress?
They would just crap themselves
if nobody paid their taxes. LOL! However, I think too many people would be afraid not too and those courageous ones who didn't would be in deep trouble. You won't get a free pass like Geithner and Daschle.
Oh well crap.
You knew what I meant. LOL. I'm so used to typing certain words that they just kind of happen without me realizing it. I guess I need to start proofreading what I type on here.
you know why? because the way you see it, is crap...nm
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"Holy CRAP" is exactly what that ad is.
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Holy crap...I believe in everything
Al Queda says. Sheesh. Are you friggin kidding me? Who isn't to say they are just saying this to scare people into ushering in Obama because they like him. Besides, as for McCain following Bush's failed war.....we are winning....the surge was successful....get a clue.
Do you honestly think that if AL Queda does something to us that Obama will just sit back and not do anything? Obama has said he will not take military action off of the table. So this whole.....Obama will stop the war crap.......you can't count on that because you don't know what those freaky psychotic terrorists have up their sleeves. It all sounds good as another failed promise though huh....I will stop the war. Just like he won't raise taxes on middle class even though raising taxes on businesses will trickle down to us and they will jack up prices of their products and we will pay for the tax hike that way....not to include the fact that all of Obama's plans cannot be covered by taxing the rich alone and he will have to raise taxes on the rest of us folks as well.....WAKE UP AMERICA!
Crap. The more I am looking into videos
This video is bothering me. Obama makes a statement and he then makes it out to be that it got twisted and everyone laughs and jokes about it, but then he says while everyone is laughing, "BUT IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO." Do people not see who he really is and how he acts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pO1dIKgfPw&feature=related
I'm just really over the race crap
They talk about how everything is so unequal when, at least in the south, that is complete crap. My husband can't get a job because he's NOT a minority. I can't get scholarsips because i'm NOT a minority. The government doesn't provide help to poor WHITE people because they are NOT a minority.
This man would have never been elected if he was NOT black. Excuse me, HALF BLACK.
You can't back any of your crap up....
so, reference to Jesus/dinosaur is a metaphor for your lack of education and understanding.
Reading this crap is what
Why do you call him the messiah? Can't anyone do a good job without your sour grapes bubbling over?
Your posts make me sick. If Obama stood on his head and spit out wooden nickels, you would somehow find fault with that and post some inflammatory statement about it. That's what is SICK.
Oh well crap...typo.
I should have typed accept instead of except. Sheesh. I thing I need another cup of coffee.
The ad is pretty much crap. I did a bit of research...
and found some info. (which I should have wrote down where) about the whole thing. Yes, Ayres and Obama worked for the same board a long time ago. Ayres contributed a big whole $200 to some campaign of Obama's a long time ago. And, the whole reference of his political career starting at Ayres house is a joke. When Obama first talked about going into politics he went to a party or dinner, something to that end, with some woman, a Senator I believe but don't quote me, that he was working for. This party I guess was at Ayres house and while there, this woman announced that she was going to be retiring and that Obama should be her successor. That's it. If you can do some research and tell me where I am wrong or misread, please do. I don't just automatically believe everything I see, I actually do some research. Obama has said he knows who Ayres is that they once worked together. Personally, that doesn't make someone my friend.
Also, I read somewhere too that that ad on TV is pretty much illegal due to some campain reform that was made in 2003. I don't know the whole whys of that, but did read something about that.
Holy crap....I teared up on that one.
I can't even imagine knowing that I was alive only because the abortion my mom tried to have failed. I know my mom was given the option of abortion with me because she was older and they were afraid it would put too big of a strain on her kidneys. Thankfully, my mom refused.
What I have NEVER understood is how abortion is not considered murder and you can legally have an abortion. However, if a pregnant woman is shot in the abdomen and her unborn child is killed, the gunman can be put on trial for murder or if the unborn child and mother both die it is considered a double murder. Why is it murder in one instance and not another. It is still taking the life of an unborn child. Just because one is wanted by its parent and the other isn't....so I guess that makes abortion okay since the parents don't want it....just kill it.
I'm sorry....I know you guys are tired of abortion debates. This is just my opinion. You all are welcome to your own opinion in this matter. So don't bash. If you don't agree....fine.
huffingtonpost is crap. That garbage should be
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I have heard this, and what a load of crap....
even if that were true, which I highly doubt...why doesn't he fire his accountants who exploit any loophole there is, and not take any deductions and pay more? No one is holding a gun to his head and forcing him NOT to pay more taxes. Why doesn't he give the cleaning lady a freaking raise??
There is that box on your return you can check and just write a check to the Treasury. Why doesn't he do that?
I heard Warren Buffett say this morning, about putting 3 billion into GE, "I am greedy. I am doing this to make money." I don't think there is anythng altruistic about Warren Buffett. He is one of those Wall Street rich folks people on this board have been talking about hating. This "crisis" is right up his alley....he is going to make billions.
Not all corporations are of Buffett's mind...and I repeat again...who do you think employs most of the people in this country? Who? Small businesses, corporations, and rich people. They already account for more than 80% of what goes into the Treasury NOW.
And how can Obama cut the taxes of 95% of Americans when 95% of Americans don't pay taxes??
Crap. Dodd is staying on?
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so sick of reading this crap
do u really think that if O was not legally able to be pres because of his b/c that McCain and his campaign wouldnt have been the first to point this out? Anyways, who really cares????? There are WAY more important issues to be arguing about. People get way upset about a stupid b/c but they condone things like abortion! Give me a break! The things people choose to stand up for sometimes amazes me.
How about something original...your wonder boy is in deep crap...
and he knows it...just 2 weeks in and already can't remember what he promised. The coming 4 years are going to be great to watch; the Messiah implodes, millions who have been hoodwinked will have their eyes opened and they will STILL blame Bush.
This is just plain crap - see message
Anytime anyone says anything that doesn't elate the messiah you scream racism.
Statement - "I don't like his policies". Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "The people he picked for his cabinet are not qualified" - Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "He lied to us in his campaign. Offered us hope but there is no hope." - Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "We're tired of him spending money that hasn't even been printed yet". Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "It's about time we have someone of a different race in the WH". Your reply - "Right on. I agree with you."
This racist bull is getting old and so untrue, but whenever you can't argue with something you scream racism. GET OVER IT! We have. Enough with this "racism" thing. If you can't bring a conversation then just don't say anything, but please spare me with the racism crap.
Oh pleeeeese....what a load of crap
For the short amount of time I watched MSNBC yesterday (10 minutes - then was about to throw up so had to turn them off) I heard this crap too. And that is what it is....crap! So any elitist liberal who posts an article you're going to believe. They have no facts to back this up.
The truth is there is no rise in hate groups. However, there is a rise in "the O" supporters who are coming around to realize that everything he says and campaigned on is a lie and yes they are angry they were duped. But there is no "violent hate groups" (on the right at least, plenty of liberal hate groups out there). You need to turn off MSNBC and CNN and get some news elsewhere because those two groups are just a liberal propaganda station. Remember Hanoi Hilton. We have it here called MSNBC & CNN.
Turn those liberal extremist groups off and listen to something else and stop spreading fear and paranoia.
And like TechSupport said below - "Might as well quote Homer Simpson".
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