Amanda is right - it's not all one side - (see message)
Posted By: Kaydie on 2008-10-29
In Reply to: they already had Obama hanging - - Amanda
And it is all wrong. No matter what you think of anyone common sense tells you that you should not have a person who is still living depicted in this way. I don't care how much dislike you have for them. Amanda had another post with a link of a picture of Obama sitting with "death" behind him. Another truly disgusting "art" creation. Funny how they use the words "art" and "halloween decoration" to cover up an act of hate. I heard a lawyer interviewed last night and she said that you can't hang Obama as a "decoration" because it's considered a hate crime (race, slavery, etc), but there is no such thing as a hate crime against a woman. While I can understand that, I don't agree with it. Try telling that to the family of the "white" lady reporter in Arkansas beaten to death. They said every single bone in her face was broken. Now if that is not a "hate" crime I don't know what it.
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Thx Amanda - They won't admit (see message)
when their wrong. They keep trying to argue a mute point. I think Stardust is a racist for assuming I'm a white person. I don't know how much clearer you can point something out. It's like talking to a wall. I also don't know how I could be a racist when I voted for him in the primaries. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Well I'm not going to read anymore of Stardusts posts anymore. Not worth my time since she won't even stand up and admit when she's wrong, and she grasps at anything. Calls me a racist and says I said racist things and then tries to claim it's something I said after she posted that message. Just not worth my time.
Thanks again Amanda for your message. This board sure is infiltrated and its getting more and more sickening to her the attacks on McCain & Palin while giving Obama and Biden a free pass. They attack M/P and then say that the conservatives do all the attacking.
Man-o-man I can't wait for the election to be over.
Sorry Amanda you are wrong - see message
Like the message below this said, they are starting to socialize our health system. They want the government to control it. I've watched many economist speak about this, along with a lot of politicians (not ones that are in DC, but individual ones from individual states) and they are saying the same thing. We cannot socialize our health care.
You will not have a choice as to what doctor you can go to, what treatment you'll be able to get or medication. The government will be in charge of that. They will decide what you will and will not get.
I think you probably know by now that Obama says one thing and does another. He will get up and give a good speech, but as soon as he is done speaking he does the opposite of what he says he will or will not do. Kind of like when he was in another country and said our dollar was strong as the dollar was tanking and other country leaders were snickering and laughing at him. Funny though cos Obama could say the sky is green and people would believe him and defend him for it.
We listened to someone talk (forget who it was right now), but they knew someone in Canada who needed a procedure and it was going to be a four month waiting period. They came to the US and had the procedure done the same or next day. I said to DH if they have their way and socialize our health care system I think Obama and other politicians who push this through should be told that they (or a family member of theirs) will have to wait 4 months for an MRI or other procedure to be done. See how they like it.
It's just a very very sad time for us all to see our country being deteriorated. I am understanding how Cuba and other socialist countries got that way. Sort of little by little then before you know it it's too late. It's the same way our landlords when we lived in Germany told us what happened to them leading up to WWII. It's just awful to see our country going the same way. They were promised everything and then look what happened to them. And history is repeating itself here in America.
Just very sad.
Amanda - I stand corrected - thank you - see message
When I'm wrong I'll admit it and this time I'm wrong. That is in such bad taste.
If parents want to dress their kids in political figures that's one thing (though I think the kids would rather be ghosts, witches, princesses, etc) but to try and make a political statement and use the excuse that its Halloween and in good fun is just in bad taste (IMO). I find it equally offensive no matter who it is.
I think its bad taste and think everyone should take down everything. I find it just as disgusting as I found the remark Hillary said about staying in because an assassination could happen. When you talk about death of people that just gets to me.
So Amanda thank you, I do stand corrected and am humbled. There are McCain supporters who do the same as Obama supporters.
What happened to decency in America and leave the halloween costumes to kids and people going to parties.
thank you, Amanda. That is some
transcript if anyone bothered to read it. Must have been ASR!
for Amanda: Exactly, here you go.....nm
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Thanks Amanda....(sm)
I actually believe troops in the field get even less info. If you look at it logically, how many satellite links do you think the US wants in enemy territory? If they did have internet it would almost have to be via satellite as most infrastructure in the region is now wiped out, and a satellite link can be traced, allowing the enemy to pinpoint positions. Hopefully our military is smarter than that.
Also, I have watched several documentaries/commentaries/videos of people involved in the torture of Iraqi and Afghan prisoners. In every case that I've heard of the people dishing out the torture (our guys) were following orders. When this came out it was all over every news station and the internet, and yet in not one interview did any of these people say anything about seeing any controversy or publicity about it in any form. They talked about how they personally had problems with it and what they were told to do, but that seems to be the extent of information they drew on. What's remarkable about this is that this was not exclusive to Afghanistan or Iraq. There was the same thing happening at Gitmo, supposedly a secure location.
Exactly, Amanda!
Obama has done nothing that needs to be defended. I think it's the old "Let's turn the attention away from the inept Republican president by slamming the new administration." End of story.
Bravo, Amanda....
Your foresight will pay big dividends down the road. Hopefully you will have time to nurture a second language in the conversational arena as well. This ability can give you much insight into the culture that lays beyond and is brought back into your business dealings. Translation is a job skill in a of itself with which you can access a wider variety of better-paying jobs. Computer translation programs can never replace the one-on-one, face-to-face exchanges that come with direct conversation.
My sister took 4 semesters of college level Spanish and ended up with a scholarship to study in Argetina in the 1970s, where she met her first husband. One good thing can often to lead to others. She divorced years later and remarried to an Iranian. Her ability to adapt through a second and third language has enabled her to thrive in a severely depressed economy. She is living in Tehran, Iran now where she and her husband run a successful flower business, an import export business and an English and Spanish tutoring and translation service. They do substitute teaching in their "spare time!".
This second marriage also blessed her with the birth of a new son at age 45. He is 12 now and is trilingual, fluent and literate in English, Farsi and Spanish. The kid is comfortable and right at home in the US and abroad.
Keep your eye on the prize. You never know what is waiting for you just around the next corner.
Exactly! Amanda does her research.nm
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sorry, amanda, this should be under your post, not ms...nm
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Amanda....it says that the credit will...
eliminate federal taxes for 10 million low income families. Someone has to make up for that lost revenue. Or are you saying they are really not paying taxes anyway so when he says he is giving them a tax credit he is not, he is lying about it? So which part is lying and which part is true? They were paying taxes and now they are not going to be because of the credit, or they were never paying taxes anyway so it is a credit name only. Please advise.
NIce try, Amanda.
Dear Amanda:
Your attempts should be applauded, but just take a look at the thread above yours here (about renaming the White House) and really, truly SEE your audience.
Wearing the cloak of "Christianity," they talk about only there being only one perfect man, and he was killed, yet they stir the pot of hatred and lies in a frenzy, leading me to believe they wouldn't mind at all if another death takes place.
They take something as benign and American as two parents getting a puppy for their children and try to turn it into something sinister.
Their lives will probably drastically improve under President Obama, but they'll be too full of hate to ever even know it.
You made a valiant attempt, but President Obama will never have a chance with these people, but that's okay. The good news is that the majority of Americans aren't like this, and they are the ones who voted for someone who may likely go down in history as one of the best Presidents ever -- if he's given the chance and allowed to live long enough to do so.
Thank you for your honesty, Amanda. sm
I appreciate it.
By the way, my niece's name is Amanda....and I think of her when I see your post! To me, she will always be about 10 years old, but she just turned 20! They grow up fast.
Oh please, Amanda - sometimes you are right on, but this time not
These are not little expenses like "groceries", and these are not expenses entertaining foreign diplomats. These are weekly parties that the taxpayer is paying for. I'm sorry but having big name entertainers and conga lines are not working parties, but of course the crats will say that. These are parties that cost a huge amount of money (that is taxpayers money). These are weekly Wednesday night parties with steak, champaign, etc. You really think they eat things like us common folk eat (hamburgers and hot dogs), please, they wouldn't stoop so low.
What I'm complaining about is the country is in a "world of hurt". People are losing jobs, homes, etc, and while the O and other politicians are saying we have to cut back, they are not, and they are not spending their own money. They are spending tax payers money. They need to lead by example.
And to turn the wh into a party palace is a disgrace.
People, stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up (not you Amanda because you usually have some pretty good insight but this time you are just wrong). The rest of them who defend this I'm afraid are still sleeping.
Well written, I agree with you Amanda
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An inconvenient truth, Amanda.
You go, girl!
Way to go, Amanda! Great research.n/m
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Famous last words, Amanda.....sm
Remember your own posts in the coming days, when you swore that he was not a socialist.
All of the policies he is about to institute are socialist or marxist. He may try to call them another name, but they are still socialistic programs, and marxist.
It's all laid out, in front of your eyes....but you can't see it
Amanda has really summed up most of our lives and
it is scary. I wonder how many transcription companies will close their doors within the next year. The top 3 transcription companies may be all that are left before long.
Well, I'll agree with you on that, Amanda.
This bail-out stuff should have stopped before it started. After the Wall Street bail-out has the news gotten any better? No. It is worse on a daily basis. It will be the same if the auto industry is bailed out. I say no bail outs. For those of us who make bad decisions we're left to suffer the consequences. Let the businesses do the same. First Wall Street, then auto industry, who's next? It won't be Joe the (honest) Plumber, that's for sure.
Thank you Amanda..besides, I think that if most parents could send their
child to private schools..and he and his wife are PAYING for it, so what is the problem??
Good point, Amanda. sm
If you had really listened closely to Prez Obama's speech earlier, he clearly stated the government is willing to give them a boost up in order to stabilize them and give them a chance to revamp their manufacturing in order to be competative with the global car manufacturers. I am so glad to hear that one of the plants that will be shut down is Hummer. We don't need gas guzzlers like that on the road. They serve no purpose other than to satisfy the egomaniacs who need a huge obnoxious vehicle in order for them to feel superior. We are not all going to be driving Smart cars. For pete's sake, be realistic. There is a solid purpose to keep manufacturing trucks and SUVs, and they can be made more energy efficient. We desperately need a new mindset in this country, one that insists on less consumption, more cost effectiveness with an eye to achieving freedom from foreign oil. In other words, we need to adapt a new attitude of learning to live without all the disgusting excess that goes on in this country. People need to wake up and reprioritize what is really important, which is not more, more, more. We can be the leaders in the world and set an example to everyone else that our values are more important than the trappings that we have prostituted ourselves for decades. This is not a bad thing!
"'The truth is that the president is just doing with GM what we, the people elected him to do: manage America’s decline and do it gently, painlessly, without seeming to abandon the old tropes of American Greatness."
Amanda, these people just got to have something to whine about sm
They have very short memories I reckon. They forgot that Bush spent one-third of his presidency at his "ranch". I guess it was free for him to do all that flying back and forth. And then there was the 40 million dollars he spent on his SECOND inagural party, just two months after the devastating tsunami that hit Indonesia. Imagine how far even HALF of that 40 million dollars could have gone toward that effort!!
Yep, a desparate bunch grasping at some pretty flimsy straws!!
Is an old issue that needs to be resolved & answer to Amanda
I would not go by anything the Annenberg foundation puts out and FactCheck is not a reliable source.
To Amanda, there are two kinds of certificates. I have the one like you do where there is no information but name, date of birth and a raised seal, but there is another kind of certificate called the "vault" certificate that is filed by the hospital to the state. In the medical records department we type in all the pertinent info (name, weight, length, time of birth, parents names, etc). That is the one we send in for the official record. That is the one they are requesting and the one he refuses to submit. This is the one I had to apply for to verify I was who I was before I could join the Army.
Ah, Neurnberg Germany. That brings back memories. I was stationed in Katterbach/Ansback and went to Neurnberg almost every weekend. Neurnberg is also where all the military wifes went to have their babies and your daughter is American citizen because she was born to US Citizens AND American bases are considered US soil. I have another friend who had her baby in Germany and her husband was military but she chose to have her baby in a Germany Hospital and her baby is a German citizen. Until they apply for him to become a US Citizen he remains a German citizen. Seeing as Obama was born in Kenya that is not US Territory, and he cannot produce his vault certificate because he doesn't have one.
On his website (and approved by the Annenberg Foundation) is simply not the actual birth certificate. There is no raised seal on it and it is very easy to recreate this form. Anyone can get access to the forms and fill in whatever information they want to. Obama's campaign did have a form on his site before that kept being taken down and altered and posted back up on the site that could clearly be seen was a copy of his sisters certificate. It has since been taking down.
Additionally maybe Obama thought he might run for Prime Minister in Canada because he also has a Canadian birth certificate.
Life sure is strange. Meanwhile I'll sit back and watch all this come tumbling down.
That's why they call him Hidin Biden (sm) and to Amanda
Anytime anyone leaks out what their plans really are they hide them away.
Amanda, - If your really believe that Obama "will be happy to pay more taxes", and that he's going to do everything to help you while taxing those nasty rich white republicans, then I guess you will also believe that Richardson "mispoke" himself. The truth is coming out but why aren't the dems seeing it. They say it themselves out of their own mouths and you still won't believe it.
Amanda, you've wasted your breath. s/m
There is not a rational thought in any of these people's heads. They don't care about hope or the possibility of change for the better. The ironic thing about this is that if and when Jesus Christ were to return, these kind of people would be the ones who would crucify him all over again because of the narrow-minded prejudice that seems to feed them. More's the pity.
Amanda, sad to say, your're wasting your breath.
There is just no getting through to these narrow-minded people. They don't want to give him a chance, because their tiny brains have been filled with the BS that has been fed to them by the publicity-seeking egomaniacs that they worship (Lamebaugh, Coultergeist, Beck who I think is a closet Nazi, O'Reilly). Dittoheads -- what a great name for them -- they are incapable of having an original thought of their own. One poster on here has the nerve to say "he has had his chance". Give me a break -- that shows nothing but ignorance. The man has been in office less than 3 months!!
You cannot have a reasonable conversation with these types of people. Thank you for trying, though. You had to know you would get flamed on this one, just as I'm sure I will. C'est LA vie.
Amanda's been wife of a solder, and then mother to
It *seems* to her the veteran showed disrespect to the flag, but I doubt she can come up with a concrete alternative way for him to have removed that flag, managed it single-handed, while being able to defend himself.
I think when our embassies have been under attack, the folks who took down those flags were probably in as much of a hurry, and I doubt they did anything differently.
Good analogy, by the way, about the grandfather. First you protect the kid, then you dust him off and see whether he's hurt.
As to stomping on the Mexican flag, no, I would not have. The store owners may have flown the two flags as they did out of ignorance, not to show deliberate disrespect. They may not have bothered to familiarize themselves with the law. They may not even speak English, but have now received a valuable lesson, which I hope someone will explain to them. If they are wise, they will learn from it. If not, they will get together several hundred of their closest friends, petition Obama, march, riot, demand ''equality'' now, and be a general pain in the patootie. I would love to see the followup on this....
I give you credit Amanda- you got me thinking and searching
I found some more articles I had not found before.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90945
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/01/18/pricetag-inaugural-festivities-reach-m/
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18635.html
What I'm saying is this (unsure this is coming out right). The US is in desperate times. Never since the depression have we had numbers of unemployment (which are continuing to rise), people losing their homes, people worried how they are going to make their energy bill payment or car payment because they've lost their jobs. How are they going to feed the kids. My dad recently told me that he has started going to the soup kitchen in his town to get his meals. He says he doesn't know how much longer he will survive if the economy doesn't turn around and he can find some work. He's even been talking about traveling to nearby states, but then he said everything he earns would go for the cost of gas to get there, plus they don't even have any jobs. My DH just went to stay with his brother and is looking for work elsewhere because the unemployment and homeless are skyrocketing here. My dad says it's very bad when there is one job and over 200 applicants. My aunt said the same thing, as did my cousin, three brother-in-laws, two sister in laws (out of 14 family members of mine 9 of them are unemployed, and 4 of them lost their jobs after the O took office - they all voted for the O because they said he said he has a plan and would save their jobs). Some have talked about going back to school to get retrained but they said "In what?" They said everything they are looking at is no longer an industry that is hiring and there the market is already saturated with people in the fields they are looking at studying and they have experience. They also said they voted for the O because he talked about getting credit to go to school, but none of them have been able to get that let alone know what to study, and better yet, the courses they would like to take are not being offered anymore because of cutbacks. I am reading newspapers from different cities across the country, getting onto "mycity" pages and reading what people are saying about what it is like where they live. They say how much more is this going to go on. They say the stimulus plan had promised job creation and it does not. And they all say this is not a good time for the President to be hosting weekly cocktail parties no matter how rich he is or no matter how much taxpayers are paying for it. They say a little discretion would be in order, and when (if) this country is turned around, jobs are created, homes are saved, and the American people see some relief then have a big party. But to use our money to host a cocktail parties where the guests are staff members and politicians in WA. is not a good idea. He needs to start showing some compassion/restraint.
I don't care about the superbowl party (everyone has them, why shouldn't he). I don't care about opening the white house for the school children or other good causes. I'm all for "anyone" being able to visit the white house, but our country is in such disarray and is hurting very very badly. This is not the time to be having weekly "cocktail" parties. Get the country back on track like you promised you would, then have your parties.
One thing I read that I admire President Wilson for. He did not have any parties at his 1917 inaugural (therefore I believe he didn't have regular weekly parties either). He stated that "having such festivities while there was a war going on would be undignified".
Our President needs to come back to earth and not be so free with the money so that he can keep partying at a cost to the taxpayers. That is not what we elected him for. We elected him because he had some plans to get us out of this mess and we are seeing none of us. The stimulus plan did not stimulate the economy, the bail-outs, did not bail them out (the bank bail-outs went directly to Dubai, China, and some other country) and some are still asking for more money. We're getting ready for some increased taxes, all while the politicians in Washington party it up.
This is not sending a good message, and even other countries are saying we don't know what the heck we're doing. But all the while crats will praise him up and down and will never find anything wrong with him. Some believe he is the messiah and others refuse to put down the kool-aid. They think its perfectly fine for the Washington crowd to continue to party til the cows come home while the country suffers. That is what I am truly dissapointed and mad about.
(as a side note, this has nothing to do with Bush, how we got into this mess or what. Bush is not controlling the parties, Bush is not controlling the endless (open checkbook) the crats are using. Bush is not forcing Washington to use taxpaper money to fund their parties. This has nothing to do with the past administration. This has everything to do with what is going on today and what will be happening tomorrow).
I will be so glad when 2012 comes.
I was never on SP's side.... s/m
but I think that it was extremely tasteless of this Canadian comedian to post as
French President Sarkozy and interview her for 5 minutes and making fun of her.
Extremely tasteless.
After all she was the running mate of McCain.
I am a democrat.
I don't think that either side... sm
has much room to talk.
I have seen articles, opinions and links posted, apparently by Republicans, about the issues facing Obama, and the first replies are the childish Dems who come on and say "well, it's Bush's fault that he has this or that to deal with" or some other childish remark.
By the same token, I have seen what I believe to be Democrats posting nasty articles and opinions about Sarah Palin and how she is giving interviews, how she obviously doesn't have the sense to be a major political player or whether she gave the clothes back to the party before going back to Alaska.
I'm with BWT. I think the childishness and catiness that I have seen on this board for the last week or so need to end and let's get to discussing the issues at hand. We won't be able to solve a danged one of them, but we can have a civilized adult discussion and we might even learn a thing or two from each other.
Reach across the aisle, folks. 
We are on the same side
I wanted to post and did not want to respond to an Ann fan, so I posted under your reasonable statement.
no just one side
This problem is not just a dem/repub problem. It is a greedy CEO/Wallstreet problem as well. It is a mass amounts of people went out and bought things they couldnt afford and houses they didnt need and couldnt afford problem. Did the gov make them go out and do that? Who made all these people sign their names on these subprime short arm loans that collapsed? It is their fault too. It is also a welfare problem. You know, those people who would rather pop out kids for a job than work for real.
...and just you on the other side.
...but not LAST night.
Get a job.
No one took Eric's side. sm
 But then, you know that. The rest I won't argue with you about. If you use science against God's Word, what more can I say.
The Other Side of Mel Gibson...sm
Disney Cancels Mel Gibson Holocaust Series
The ABC television network has pulled a miniseries about the Holocaust it was developing with Mel Gibson 's production company, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, quoting an unidentified representative for the network.
Gibson was arrested on suspicion of drunk driving early on Friday and was reported to have launched into a tirade against Jews, asking the arresting officer if he was a Jew and blaming the Jews for starting all wars.
The actor, who holds strong conservative Catholic religious and political views and whose father is a Holocaust denier, apologized on Saturday.
The incident has raised questions about the future of projects Gibson and his Icon Productions company are working on, like the ABC television miniseries based on a memoir about a Dutch Jew during World War II, the newspaper said An ABC representative told the paper, without elaborating, it has been two years and the network still has not seen a script, so the project is being pulled.
A spokesperson for ABC, which is owned by Walt Disney Co. , could not be reached for comment.
Disney's movie studio arm still plans to release Gibson 's self-financed Mayan-language movie Apocalypto on Dec. 8, Hollywood's trade papers reported. The Web site Slate.com quoted Walt Disney Studios president Oren Aviv as saying he accepted Gibson 's apology.
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We're on the same side
I am trying to understand where all this animosity is coming from. Why does it bother you so much that the last democratic president and former first lady/candidate/senator are going to be at the convention? How would it look if they weren’t there? Hillary and Obama are basically on the same page when it comes to policy, so I am guessing this is a personality issue for you? During the primaries, her tactics and strategies left a lot to be desired, to be sure, which may have been a mitigating factor as to why Obama was ultimately able to come out on top but, let’s face it, not by much. It will be extremely important that the party get past its in-fighting and focus on the task at hand of winning the election in November.
Bill and Hillary Clinton are and will remain influential party leaders for a some time to come. It appears that it is her die-hard base supporters that are acting like children. They are the ones who prolonging the division and ill-will which you are expressing here. Both the Clintons have been selected by the Democratic National Convention Committee to speak in Denver for good reason. The DNC recognizes just how pivotal their roles will be in bringing the party back together. This group of HRC’s supporters who are planning to disrupt the convention and demand a roll-call are not very likely to succeed in this effort. This serves no useful purpose whatsoever and is in nobody’s best interests.
Hillary will eventually “crawl back into her hole,” as you so eloquently put it, and return to her position as a junior senator, but not until she has done her job of trying to encourage party unity. I suspect that she still has much to contribute in that capacity and in roles yet undefined in terms of advancing party policies. Try not to take what the newscasters say as gospel. They relish in scandal and controversy. Do not give them the satisfaction. It should come as no surprise that the Clintons are disappointed in the primary results, but that does not mean that they are supposed to fade on off into the sunset. It is not their time to pass...not just yet.
Bill Clinton, a racist? Where is this coming from? Fox News? He does not hide behind mansion walls in the ghetto. His foundation continues to advance the cause of civil and human rights, both here and abroad. It is unfair to write HRC off as a disgrace to women who needs to “just go away,” based on this one less than stellar chapter in her political career. She is much more than that, just as Bill Clinton is much than the "impeached president" you so casually dismiss. I am wondering if you hated him this much while he was in office, or did this arise out of the recent primary process?
In any case, if Obama is defeated, HRC will not be responsible. It will be this divisive in-fighting within the party members that will be the reason. We are between the primaries and the convention. The entire campaign still lies ahead of us. Just give it a little more time. You will see Hillary and Bill come around as party loyalists who will play perhaps the most key roles of all in party unification. This is not just their job. It is up to all democrats to come together this fall and keep their eyes on the prize. Perpetuating this kind of division does nothing to advance that cause. Is this hatred really worth harboring to the extent that, in the end, we will be facing 4 or 8 more years of a republican regime? Try to keep that in mind the next time you find yourself this riled up, and ask yourself what I ask you now….where is this really coming from? I think I know the answer, but I am more interested in hearing yours at the moment.
Disrespect is nothing new on your side...
and it is not just directed at me, and to suggest so is being dishonest at best. You tolerate no opinion other than your own, want to discuss only issues that you are pro and do not tolerate discussion of any other viewpoint, and for people who call themselves Democrats that is a very undemocratic attitude. You hate an entire group of people (all Republicans...well I should say anyone who is not Democrat) for no reason other than that. Two sides? That's rich! There have never been 2 sides.
As to domination of the board....there are about 6 or 8 of you guys to 1 of mine. lol. Talk about blinders.
All voters should consider this regardless of which side
It should be very troubling that the mainstream media has been in the tank for Obama since day one. Ask Hillary Clinton or anyone else who ran (again, R, D, or I).
With that in mind, who gave them the right to choose our next President?
Incidentally, the media (left-wing, of course) actually selected McCain, too. They were absolutely certain that he would be the weakest candidate. Mitt scared the holy hanna out of them. I personally hoped for a Rudy-Fred ticket, in no particular order.
It should be interesting as to how many honest people there are reading this stuff to see how they'll react. Based on what I've read since Palin's speech, she's certainly changed quite a few minds.
The thing that surprises me the most is that the bulk of people on this board is women, yet so many of them put party above the person. I personally don't vote by genitalia. I think it's foolish.
"Woe to the other side who does not
recognize it." What I saw was very scary, an individual who has not clue one about what is going on in this country or out of it. Very scared, indeed. Woe, indeed. You make this election sound like a football game. This is our country, our children's future that is at stake. And no, I didn't find her very knowledgeable in the least, just mouthing words and throwing something someone told her to say. We will see, but I pray to God these two do not get elected.
The other side of the story....
http://www.newsmax.com/smith/barack_obama_tony_rezko/2008/09/02/126890.html
Another side of the coin.....
I respect your beliefs and am very happy you found your niche in life and saved your marriage. Kudos to you! I myself do not question Obama's morals - and I can't say that I question McCain's either. But, Bush got into the white house based on deceptive strategies aimed at leading the populace to believe he was on the moral high ground. (I see the same strategy being used in McCain's campaign). In view of what has transpired over the last 8 years, my faith in the pubs moral high ground has been trampled beyond repair. I believe torture of other human beings to be reprehensible and not advocated by any religion, but it continues and McCain supported it - even though he himself was tortured as a POW. The sex scandals - Larry Craig (airport bathrooms - it was illegal - otherwise, I don't care who he has sex with), Mark Foley (Repub House Representative - Once known as a crusader against child abuse and exploitation, Foley resigned from Congress on September 29, 2006 after allegations surfaced that he had sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit instant messages to teenaged males who had formerly served and were at that time serving as Congressional pages) and now the scandal surrounding the Department of the Interior on charges of getting into bed with big oil (literally and figuratively) drug abuse, etc. I find the whole thing ridiculous to base your campaign on "personality" and moral high ground. I am not saying that Dems did not have their issues with sex scandals - as we all know.
I believe Jesus Christ was once a very highly evolved human being and no longer has to incarnate as a human as he has reached perfection. I believe Buddha was a very highly evolved human being who no longer has to incarnate for the same reason. I believe that Ghandi and Mother Theresa were highly evolved. I believe that energy never disappears, it only changes form. I believe in life after death. I believe that love is the most important thing in life. Humans are not perfect. I do not believe that sex is sin. Dolphins have sex for pleasure and I am not equating humans to aquatic life - but Dolphins are highly intelligent. Do you think God judges them for indulging in pleasure? I believe that exploiting the vulnerable for sex is morally wrong (children, women....that's as far as I'll go on that). Sex between 2 consenting adults is not wrong.
I believe that every religion has it's place on earth and I am in no way authorized or vetted to judge which one is right and which one is wrong. They are all right. Paganism, Wiccan, the Jewish faith, Catholic, Muslim, etc., etc. We, as humans, have the right to decide what is right for us in that regard.
I think all religions know the difference between right and wrong and stealing from others, torturing others, even JUDGING others is morally wrong. You can boil it down to not having ANYTHING to do with religion.
And to believe that whoever is in the white house holds your moral values as a primary reason for decisions that are made is naive. I think the last 8 years proves that and for that reason, I fear more of the same. I am willing to cross party lines just to see if this disaster of a country can be repaired.
The other side of the coin....
Karl Rove would be working to get any Republican elected. That is what he does. He is not a member of the campaign and it is a free country...he can advocate anyone he wants.
If Obama was serious about change he would not have picked a senator who has been in the senate over 30 years. That is not change. That is also more of the same.
James Johnson, of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac fame, who used to be an economic advisor to Obama...after he came under scrutiny for possible fraud, he left the OBama campaign with his tail between his legs. Don't see much difference in the two.
Other side of the story...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/16/2008-09-16_john_mccain_campaign_releases_troopergat.html
I'm just going to explain our side...
please don't start a war about this.
We are taught in the Bible that homosexuality is wrong and that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman. We believe in the holy sanctity of marriage. Therefore it is violating the laws of God when homosexuals marry.
Again, it is not the homosexuals that we "hate" or "despise". It is the sin of homosexuality.
I do believe homosexuals are born that way. We are all born into sinful natures. Remember, in God's eyes, all sins are equal. We all have natural tendencies, and that includes homosexuality. I was born a compulsive liar. Since as far back as I can remember I have lied about anything and everything. Now that I am a Christian, that doesn't change. But with the help of Christ I am changing that and I have put away my sinful nature of lying. In the same sense, when a homosexual comes to know the true Christ, He will give them new desires and help them to withstand the temptation to go back to their old ways.
I know most of you won't understand this, but I just wanted to give you our viewpoint. True Christians do not hate homosexuals, or blacks, or immigrants, or abortionists, or anyone else. We just hate the sin, because sin separates us from God.
We want a president who is going to keep the sanctity of marriage, meaning one man and one woman. Marriage came from God, and it is a holy matrimony.
Please don't flame, I'm just trying to explain in a way that maybe you can understand. I see it from your side too. Before I became a Christian I didn't understand the big deal either. But now I do and I see the big picture. If God had meant for man and man or woman and woman to be together, he would have given us the "parts" to be able to do so.
On the lighter side (maybe)
This was sent to me from a friend. Don't know where the info came from.
Guess who I am?
I am 42 years old
I love the outdoors,
I hunt,
I am a Republican reformer,
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
I have five children,
I have a spot on the national ticket as vice-president
with less than two years in the governor's office.
Who am I?
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I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900
How can anyone say that Sarah Palin is not qualified?
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And I'll be right there on the side with you.
I gotta take a break, this board is making me crazy.
On a side note..
Where in the Mojave desert did you live? I grew up in a tiny town called Inyokern and went to high school in Lone Pine.
On the up side of things.........sm
Since I've been such a downer, gloom and doom "prophet" in my last posts  , here is an article that recommends buying now, if you have the cash and the stomach for it, and reap the rewards 10 or 20 years down the road. Might be our solution to no Social Security when that time comes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27829555/
I think I have the other side of the story.
I've been watching all those other stations for years. I just started watching Fox lately. How much more "open-minded" do you want me to be???
...and on the flip side...we will soon see...sm
what Obama will do with his regime.
I have a feeling it won't be pretty.
At least we'll have a reason to throw all the democrats out of all branches of offices when they fall flat on their you know whatsits, and find they can't do what they think they can.
The American people won't stand for what the country is about to become, you included, once you wise up and see what's about to come.
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