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All I asked for was courtesy & respect when posting. If that is

Posted By: Administrator (sm) on 2006-09-22
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something that posters cannot do, then those posters don't need to be here.  You will not post on my forum in the manner in which you have.  You know who you are. You will not be missed here.


For those who can hold healthy debate with respect, we welcome you.




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Welcome to Marxism 101, courtesy of an Obama administration...nm

I will, provided courtesy is held on the conservative board as well.
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yes, I asked you...but I asked you a specific question...
about the peace movement. I asked why you did not take your ideals to the real enemies of peace...and your answer was that you leave them to God but will instead preach to us not to fight them, even when they bring the fight to us. So be it.

We will agree to disagree.

I did not personally call you a whiner. As to who sent the military...I will say one thing. When you join the military, you take an oath. That oath has been posted here. You are under no illusions. You know that you may be called to war. It is an all voluntary army over there now. There is no draft. No one is over there because they were forced to go.

As to the people sending having never been...what has that got to do with anything?It was not just George Bush and Dick Cheney, Lurker. It was Congress. Many in Congress do have relatives, even sons and daughters, in Iraq. Have you read the resolution? It is very clear. They knew exactly what they were signing and exactly what it meant. I do not buy the lied to hooey. The Senate and House intelligence committees got the same briefings, or at least enough briefings to vote for the resolution. If they did not (in their own words) use due diligence before signing off on that resolution, whose fault is that? Certainly not Dick Cheney's or George Bush's.

Where were all these people when Clinton was calling for regime change? Because he was a Democrat they will follow him to war? You will see why I do not buy into their rhetoric.

And while I understand your big picture, as I have said over and over and you have never addressed, that will work only if the others in the big picture wish it to work. And if you honestly feel that God wishes that you lay down and let this country be overrun by terrorists, then so be it. I am not of the same mind.

The big difference is that I believe, as did Americans at the time of the Revolution, and that Americans did at the time of the Civil War...and that even some Americans did at the time of Viet Nam...some things are worth dying for. Most of our volunteer military feels the same.

When that is no longer the case, if you are successful in robbing that sense of patriotism from the generations to come without changing the minds of the enemies, where they feel that nothing is worth dying for...in my mind that will only bring death quicker, not keep it at bay, and the loss of the greatest nation on the face of this earth.

So, we agree to disagree.

God bless.
I never asked you what you did. sm
I made the statement that you are a whiner.  I would never tell the personal information some of you have on here, just for safety's sake if nothing else.
YOU ASKED ME !!!!..

I do not remember specificially but you asked me where were my legs and my mouth. What did I do besides coming to the C board and whining and I answered you.


The peace **movement** as you call it is different from a peaceful nonviolent approach to life. The movement is but one small fraction of trying to live a life of nonviolence. The **movement** shows its face big time when a tragedy the size of Iraq erupts but most of the time we work behind the scenes.


Again, this is our board, I'll preach to the choir as much as I want. If you don't like it, don't read it, how simple is that.


You seem to see promotion of a peaceful existence as one thing and that is resistance to war, or conflict or whatever they are calling it these days. It's all about the **them**, the politburo, the Viet Cong, the communists, the socialists, the terrorists. I don't see things that way. I see a bigger picture, bigger than this country or Iraq or Iran or China or this planet or this galaxy. I have been instructed in no uncertain terms how to behave towards my fellow man. There are no riders attached. That is the part that seems to be so hard for you to deal with. Christ instructed us to love our brothers as ourselves, to do for the least of our brethern as if we were doing for Him. He does not say, except for the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the bums, the slackers, the liars and thieves...there are no riders. That is for Him to sort out, not me.


The terrorists you refer to are everywhere. It is a mind set, not a place.  They are here in our country, they are certainly in Europe, in the Philippines, in Africa, in the islands of the South Pacific, Indonesia. It makes no sense to go somewhere else and protest. We have to look at ourselves first, always. Your approach seems to be to wage war on everyone. I think that is an exercise in futility.  I will stick with my approach. I will continue to pray, continue to do the things I have always done. I empathize with your position, knowing where you come from but I will never see killing as a way to accomplish anything positive. I also sincerely truly and honestly believe the terrorists hate each other more than they hate us and that we would not be in any more danger if we left Iraq than if we stay; in fact, I think just the opposite, the longer we stay, the worse things will become. It is a horrible position our troops have been put into. They were sent into an immoral, unethical, illegal snake pit by people who have never seen a day of combat in their lives, who got out because they had **other priorities.** And now they're stuck and we're stuck and whatever way we extricate ourselves it will not have a good outcome. My own personal opinion is that it is better to get out now and save what lives we can. I know you disagree, so be it.


By the way, I have one question for those of you who have served in the military or have husbands who have done so or are still doing so, doesn't the fact that people like Cheney with 5 deferments bother you/them. That no one who has sent people into war have actually been there themselves. Doesn't that bother you??


As you asked, here's a few...

These are just from the past week.  There's plenty, plenty more, a veritable ton to choose from......


_________________


Can we just admit it...you don't care what the facts are.


What a twisted value system. Twisted.


Here she is folks...the aspiring Ann Coulter of the liberal board.


Don't pretend you actually talk about issues here. You don't.


You do not believe your own platform.


Yeah....liberal compassion. I see a LOT of that on this board....
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Ahh....the writ handed down from she who decides who and who does not deserve compassion. lol.


You care nothing about the truth. I don't even know if you recognize it anymore. Pathetic.


Cannot let go of prejudice long enough to see the truth when it is in plain black and white.


Again...if this is a liberal trait then God save us from liberals...


Typical pile on attack liberal tactics. Just admit it. You know they are lying, you just don't care.


What a twisted, twisted set of values you have.


Denial, denial, denial. It is so patently obvious...you cannot get past the Bush hatred...cannot see the forest for the trees. Amazing....utterly, completely, amazing


You have so much class, reveille...really, so much class. You could not debate an issue if your life depended upon it. Let us hope that it never does.
 
LOL. You do love to wallow in it.... (to Piglet)


 


Once again, you get what you asked for
I gave it to you and you want to call it retoric. You just can't stand it because you have nothing else to go on. Your own man for president is disliked by his own VP. Strange bed fellas indeed. Gotta wonder what's going on there and just how Obama got talked into Biden for his VP.

Didn't you say show us your facts? What about it don't you like? I admit, it doesn't look good does it?

At least Palin wasn't caught putting down McCain left and right. That bothers you I know but too bad.

You can you tube it and find it yourself since even proof isn't good enough for you.

Such denial you guys are in.
I just asked him and he said

he is FOR the secret ballots because he said that companies start intimidating workers when the subject of unions come up, telling them, we will have to cut your pay, prices will go up, we will have to lay off most of our workers and finally, "we'll have to close our doors."  So it cuts both ways.  I'm sure he'll be more than happy to expound on  his RABID pro-union stance if you're sure you're ready for that.  LOL


Yes, I know Todd Palin is a card-carrying union member and good for him but that still doesn't mean I want to see his wife in the White House!!!!


He was never asked
if he spoke to dead presidents or anything about seances with Nancy Reagan.

I'm for Obama doing well but we do not need humor right now. We need some serious answers to what promises he is going to keep to us and what he is going to do to help us.

Granted, this was the first conference I think he's had (I think, not sure), but don't joke. Jokes are not what we need. He needs to take some time, get acclimated, first get sworn in, show the people he is going to do what he promised, and then there will be time for jokes. This was not appropriate.

And he needs to tell the reporters who as the absolute a$$nine questions, that he is there to answer questions about his plans, not his personal life.
You asked for it...
**Fellow Business Executives:***

**As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned**
**myself to the fact that Barrack Obama will be our next President, and**
**that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.**

**To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have**
**to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot**
**increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we**
**will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been**
**eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't**
**know how to choose who will have to go.**

**So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8**
**Obama bumper stickers on our employees ' cars and have decided these**
**folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way**
**to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.**

**If you have a better idea, let me know.**

**Sincerely,***



*J.D.*

asked, but --
x
He also said when asked..(sm)

Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?


"Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice."


So which is it?


Of course I make fun of republicans, just like you guys make fun of dems.  So what else is new?  I'll tell you what.  I'll name one republican who I think is reasonable, and you name one democrat who you think is reasonable.  I'll go first.


How about John McCain's daughter....Meghan McCain.  She is 24 years old, just out of college, and smart as a whip.  She has a column on The Daily Beast.  I think she leans a little more towards the center, but is definitely a fiscal conservative.  Give her about 8 years and if she goes into politics she will be a force to be reckoned with.  Check out these interviews. 


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29645772


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29645895


Who asked you?
.
You asked....
here ya' go.
I was asked what I do besides whine, where..
were my legs. This is in response to something on the other board. Again, let me reiterate, I was ASKED.
I asked a question
About Casey Sheehan becuase I honestly didn't know and I have not seen that before.

As far as throwing troops to the dogs, I never said that, I said bring them home, and I am not sure how that got interpreted in to throwing them to the dogs.

But as usual, the conservative posters love to put words in our mouths.

Sigh ...


uhhh well so far I have never asked one of you if you...
pee venom? So far you have the sole capture on that lovely piece trash talk.
I do understand it, which is why I asked you
xx
You asked the supporters why and they
gave you what they thought, why are you "attacking" this person because you don't like their answer.

It is truly a ridiculous question. It is a flippin' pin. Does it really matter? Shouldn't we be more interested in the people who are running views and formats, be they Democrat or Republican. Why do we keep getting caught up in all of this garbage?!!

Many people were taught that the hand goes on the chest during the pledge and you sing the anthem.
No I asked if someone could tell me why he doesn't and no one knows sm
instead you want to say it is just silly. Who is attacking whom?
Asked and answered...
...ad nauseam!
If you were homeless and asked for one...
you would have gotten it...along with a ride wherever you wanted to go after you voted. lol.
For the poster who asked for me to

was a Moslem.........


The rag was himself while on  "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos.  Obama was talking about his religion and said, " My Muslim faith" and then said when questioned that he "made a mistake".    


Is that enough citing for you or do you not believe what he said either? 


You blind O lovers need to open your eyes folks!


Blindness will get you nowhere when he has sold your country down the river to the terrorists. 


I didn't ask how old it was, I asked
if any of you Republicans want to address it.  Apparently not.  Do you REALLY think the idea is dead?   Oh yeah, now I remember, Republicans. Hallaluja and amen.
I've never been asked either.
I was quite shocked really.  The first time I went to vote I had my voter registration card on me and my driver's license to show them, but they never asked.  Then when I told them that my address had changed, they didn't ask for proof of that, they just marked out my old address and wrote in my new one.  Too easy to mess with the system and that was in a small hillbilly town.  I can't imagine how easy it would be in a huge town.
I asked my parents about this
and they both laughed at me. My father comes from a very politically involved family. My dad tells me things were very charged when Kennedy ran and especially when Nixon ran. He has especially bad memories of the Nixon campaign.
Who asked you to trust me? (sm)
I really don't care if you trust me or not.  That's just rediculous.  Don't trust me...look something up for a change.  I'm simply stating facts.  What you need to do is just admit you got busted and quit digging yourself into a deeper hole. 
I asked what is wrong with this? s/m
Obama just said in his speech:  "I ask you to believe, not so much in my ability to bring about change but in your's."  I think he sure got that one right.
That is my point, WE don't get asked to
handed a pay cut and told it is a 'good thing.' You don't get a chance to be willing to take a pay cut.
this is exactly why I asked the questions I did -
everybody else either has to make it on their own or fail - they obviously have been ripping the American public off for years - a quality product could have been made for a lot less money. Why should we have to bail them out now? The problem is they don't want to lose those big bonuses and big paychecks and actually have to get a job like the rest of us do!
LOL...I'm glad you asked...(sm)

No....When I get spooked I walk around the house peeking into closets and under beds with whatever is handy....LOL. 


I don't think he asked for that picture -
In fact, I read that he was already wishing he had a little bit more privacy during that vacation trip and thought it was a bit ridiculous that people wanted to see pictures like that of him...

I don't think there was a thing wrong with him going shirtless on a beach in Hawaii and I don't understand how could that equate to not having dignity?
I don't think he asked for that picture -
In fact, I read that he was already wishing he had a little bit more privacy during that vacation trip and thought it was a bit ridiculous that people wanted to see pictures like that of him...

I don't think there was a thing wrong with him going shirtless on a beach in Hawaii and I don't understand how could that equate to not having dignity?
no, i dont, that's why i asked
is it relating to the posts below?

because those were about someone's personality, not the way they looked.

Why are you trying to argue? all i asked was a question, if the OP wants to answer, that's fine, answer and we can have a discussion
No -- Obama was asked about the

war on terror (which is where the word terrorists comes from), and Obama responded with the "moderate Muslims" reply. 


I know it's hard to be told you're wrong, so I won't bother wasting my breath.  You think what you want.  Here's a new one for this board, brace yourself -- not everyone shares your opinion.


You asked, I answered.
I don't think fairy tales make for good foreign policy. Pre-emptive war under false pretenses that kill over 100,000 people waged in the WRONG COUNTRY to avenge daddy's honor and advance mythical global hegemony. No, Lu, the shrub has not made us safer, though you are free to give credit where you see fit. I would never try to talk down a blind Bushie but I can state with unwavering certainty that there are better, smarter, more honest and less deadly approaches to foreign policy, which you are about to witness first-hand on the dawn of this new era.
I asked this before, why should the government be able to tell me what to buy?
I know they are getting food stamps from the government, but why should that give the government the right to tell them what they have to eat?

I don't get it really why you think the government should stay out of your life, but then if you are poor, the government should have the right to control your life in every aspect.

If they want to eat poorly, then eat poorly. If someone gives you money for a birthday gift, do they get to then tell you how to spend it?
With all due respect,

all the posts I've seen you post have come across to me as very confrontational.  You seem to be limited to posting only posts that defend these three, and I haven't seen you post anything on any political issue -- just confronting posters and complaining about their behavior, sympathizing with poor AG, Nan and MT.  That's ALL you've posted on this board, and to say it was YOU who was attacked shows, at the very least, the very same mindset that precludes you from seeing things objectively.  Afraid I have to agree with GT above.  I, too, smell a conservative in liberal clothing, and it also wouldn't surprise me if you were either one of those three or one who is very closely allied with them.


But I will take you at your word that this is your last post.  In addition, I will make this my last post to you.  I'm happy that at least temporarily we're free of all the intolerance and hatred and rage and battles that ensue when those three are around.  I refuse to get back into that, and I feel that you're trying to take me down that path, and I'm not buying it.


Have a blessed day.


With all due respect.
One source is a personal blog. Those are strictly opinion pieces and carry no weight on either side.  The Chicago Sun piece is more interesting, but merely makes vague statements without a single name of anyone who is bashing.  Now don't get me wrong, I have serious concerns with President Bush, stem cell research not being one of them.  I am alarmed at the big government policies and also at the illegal alien fiasco (which I am reading has some surprises in store).  At any rate, this really is a nonstory.  Remember when Lieberman gave the speech on the Senate floor criticizing Clinton.  It happens.  I feel no connection to the country club wing of the republican party (any more than the country club wing of the democratic party).  They certainly don't speak for me.
With all due respect..

... it doesn't say very much about an Army mom who would use his service -- his putting his life on the line -- in order to try to bully, shame and coerce people who would rather see her son home with his family and safe.


It doesn't say very much about an Army mom who would sacrifice her own flesh and blood because she's too busy worshiping a very false idol in Bush.


But most of all it doesn't say very much about a president who couldn't care less about her son, a president who has recklessly, negligently and uncaringly tossed America's young people into harm's way for an unnecessary, very possible illegal war.


I honor her son, and I respect his courage very much.  I thank him for putting his life on the line in service to his country.  And I profusely apologize to him for the way his life has been devalued by Bush.  Maybe if Bush had the integrity and courage to actually serve in a war himself, he wouldn't be so hasty about killing our young people.  Her son, by virtue of having the courage to serve, is way, way, WAY above George Bush in the integrity and courage categories. Wouldn't we be fortunate if someday her son went on to become president?  He's already more fit to serve than Bush is.


I hope and pray that he can return home to his family (where he belongs) and that his return is safe and without injury.  I'm just very, very sorry that his mother can't see that just because we don't worship an idiot like she does, that doesn't mean we don't support our troops because we want them safe and home with their families instead of fighting an unnecessary, immoral war.


No respect
No respect for the owners of this board who have requested republicans/conservatives to not post here..Do I have to report you?
With all due respect...yes you did...
you posted that you loved to find the errors and do the research. That certainly implies that you enjoy trying to prove people wrong. And that is fine, if that is what trips your trigger. Again, what I said was we had more social programs, and again, the comparison to other nations, I would like to know what other nations and their population in relation to ours before I put a lot of stock in the data. Respectfully.
With all due respect...sm
*Civil debate* has not gotten us anywhere. In order for there to be debate BOTH sides would have to listen to each other, and meet somewhere in the middle.
With all due respect, I
disagree. I have read the words Dems and lefties and socialists used interchangeably. Look through the archives and I did not say it was you.
Respect
Well, I find the posts title a bit disrespectful. I mean, I wouldn't come to the conservative board and post with a title "Glad to not be a republican." Seems to me like "Me" was looking to stir the pot with that title.
With all due respect...
the moderator has posted several times that we can cross post. Apparently the moderator does believe in freedom of expression.

If "most of you" want to speak among yourselves, don't answer my posts, don't pile on with the crass remarks that are totally unnecessary. To coin your own words, ignore me. Quash dissent. Be intolerant of other views. To each his/her own.

There are those on the liberal board who do not mind a discussion and are actually able to do so in true liberal fashion without the personal gotchas. And as far as the gotchas...I only gave as I got. At least there were those true liberals who did not mind...but I believe you quashers have run them all off too.

So, if you do not wish to have a discussion, certainly your right. Don't answer my posts.

And...just a side note...liberal posters cross over too, and I have yet to ask them to get on back to their "own" board or stay on their own board. You see...I don't just say I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression...I act on it...unlike you.
With all due respect....
Your quote of:
"What is wrong with this picture? First, it should be obvious that it is not the job of the U.S. government to tell people what version of Islam to embrace on pain of permanent incarceration. As long as people are not committing or fomenting acts of violence, it is not our role to pressure them into changing their faith. When did it become acceptable to set religious conversion of any kind as the price that frightened people must pay for their freedom?"

These kids at Camp Cropper were committing acts of violence..setting roadside combs, firing at soldiers, etc. Your quote came from a different article about a different program dealing with adults...not with children. Two different programs I think. No one is asking them to change their faith. Are you saying that all Islam is radial jihadist? Of course it is not. These children are being taught by Iraqi teachers, not Americans. The article I posted describes it more clearly.

If it can turn a few away from jihad to what most Muslims call "true Islam," that is a good thing, right? If it can get sunni and shiite teens talking with one another, listening to one another, interacting with one another...is that not where change begins? Like you rightfully said, it was the young people in Venezuela who helped turn the tide in that country. Perhaps the same can happen in Iraq. Are you saying it is a bad thing to present these kids with a different view of Islam, that perhaps killing other Muslims is not a good thing to do? When it is presented to them by other Muslims, not by Americans? How can that be a bad thing by any stretch?

Again...we are there, piglet. Whether we leave now, next week, next month, or next year, we are there. Why should we not try to help while we are there? Like the soldier said...it is a positive thing and he is proud of what he was able to accomplish. If it turns one kid, two kids...they may be the future of Iraq. Someone had to start teaching kids in Venezuela another way...why can't we show those kids another way while we are there? If we can stop one from strapping a bomb to himself or getting his arms and legs blown off trying to set a roadside bomb...is that not a good thing? I don't see the down side to this. Honestly.
I have a lot of respect

for any man or woman in the armed forces.  I think that their opinion in our next president is very important.  However, even with military personnel, there are still going to be some of them who vote strictly because of race or political party. 


If our votes don't really count....this is pointless, but you can't screen people and question their motives for voting and who they choose to vote for and why before you let them vote.


with all due respect...
the only one WITHOUT a voice here is the child. We are speaking for the child. If that chaps you so severely, I'm sorry. No one is judging anyone. When Scott Peterson killed laci and connor, 12 people judged him and he is in jail for the rest of his life. It is somehow different because Scott chose to kill the baby instead of Laci? Please tell me how that makes sense. If it is wrong to kill, it is wrong to kill, and it certainly wrong to let one person have the choice to arbitrarily kill another. It is the act and the procedure that is being judged here...or that is what should be judged here.
Moral wrongs are judged by people every day. Stealing is wrong. Murder is wrong. Killing someone is murder. Cutting a defenseless baby to pieces with no one to defend it and nowhere to run to is horrific. At least admit it. If you want to give a person a right to murder another person, at least call it what it is.
With all due respect...
I don't think making it through an ivy league school on student loans indicates character. But to each his own and you are entitled to think so.

Yes, this is a democracy, and frankly I don't think there should be any parties. I don't think there should be an electoral college. I think it should really be up to the people. But that is just me.

I beg to differ...majority may rule but majority is not always right. I refer you to the Carter years.

Again, with all due respect, Obama's speech last night, was nothing new. It was the same thing Democrats always promise. The same things Bill Clinton promised. He had the country for 8 years and none of the promises happened. That happens on both sides, I realize. But it is politics. It is give them what they want to hear and when we get elected we do what we want. No matter which man is elected, that is what is going to happen. The only thing that makes Barack Obama different from any other Democrat who has run is that he is African American. And yes, he did make history last night, and he should be commended for having the will to work his way up to where he is. That should tell him he should be backing off social programs and figure out a way to instill that ambition in other folks, instead of rewarding people by keeping them dependent on the government for everything. If he can do it, why not others? But that is not the Democrat way.

We are up to our eyeballs in China because of Bill Clinton, not a Republican. If the truth really matters to you, check it out. Bill forged alliances and trade with China during his administration. You don't remember the big flap about the contributions gotten for Clinton by the Chinese. And I don't look for Obama to change anything about how we trade with the Chinese. Have not heard anything about him doing that, and I have listened to most of his speeches. Didn't see anything about it on the website either...but I could have missed it.

Please...the Democratic party is as corrupt as the Republican party. They are both corrupt. That is the nature of the beast, because they are controlled by money people who all have agendas and while they pay lip service to the little people, they do whatever they want, including trashing their own, as was so eloquently demonstrated in Denver this week.

I say this to your party...STOP TRYING TO MAKE the US A SOCIALIST STATE and destroy the greatest nation on earth.