Agreed. Teach no bullying or violence, period.
Posted By: IMPEACH OBAMA NOW on 2009-05-22
In Reply to: "interspecies?".....(sm) - Just the big bad
"Lifestyle acceptance" doesn't have to come into it at all. I don't have to accept anyone's lifestyle in order to learn that bullying and violence are not acceptable ways of expressing my disagreement with them.
You see, there's a conflation between the principle of "nonviolence" and "acceptance of lifestyles" going on here, and it's very, very calculated and it's very, very deliberate.
In fact, "acceptance" is really an inadequate basis for nonviolence - if you stop for a moment to think about it - because I am obliged to be nonviolent toward people whose lifestyles not even you would suggest that that I (or my children) should EVER "accept".
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Just teach "no bullying" PERIOD and leave the lifestyle crap out of it.
I'm sorry, but you're very naive about what these children are actually being taught - i.e., that one family is "just like another" (there's a cute little song they sing about this), etc.
You want to teach kids not to be physically violent toward any other kids - fine. You go beyond that and start preaching the gospel of lifestyle equivalency and you're wandering off into the parents' domain.
Oh, yeah - I almost forgot. Get back to T E A C H I N G!!
I am not bullying anyone into my way of thinking....
simply presenting the other side. That is what democracy is about. If you are saying women should not involve themselves in politics, I could not disagree more. Decisions affect us, just like they affect men.
Of course I don't know everything...I just give research due diligence because I don't accept anything from either side at face value. The whole basis of our political system is that there are two sides to everything and you choose whichever side most closely meets what you think is best for the country.
What is wrong with defending someone if you believe that person is right? The other side defends Obama just as aggressively, if not more so.
Actually, the beatitude says the meek shall inherit the earth, not the weak. In my interpretation, "meek" does not mean "weak."
No bullying would be too easy........they have to push
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What is your problem with just teaching no bullying
There is no need to point out homosexuals as being people they should not pick on. Why pick out any single type of kid?
Did you ever hear of just teaching your child to be nice to people, to not name call, bully or pick on anyone? That would just about wrap it up wouldn't it?
There are many young children in elementary school that do not even know the term "homosexual", so I certainly don't believe it is the school's job to bring that to the attention of a child. That is the parent's responsibility to explain what homosexuality is, if they so choose.
You think for a minute if a school starts talking about tolerance of homosexuals that questions wouldn't arise about what they do, what that means, why they do that, and every other question they could possibly imagine? I sure as heck don't care for the school system to educate my child on gays or their lifestyle, thank you very much!
Teaching a child about not making fun of a child with disabilities is NOT the same as teaching a child about homosexuals. You believe homosexuality to be a "disability". Funny you brought up those two things together..........
No sell!
WHy is disagreeing with a position viewed as bullying?
Your response is much more bullying....self-righteous and pompous I think were your words...
It is not MY party. I am not a Republican. This country would be much better off if everyone, both sides, put country first and not the party.
That being said...it were an important issue to debate, it should not have had to have a pregnant 17-year-old girl "spark it." All I am saying is, regardless of that, it is a choice whether to continue to bring into the spotlight a candidate's child for political fodder.
The point is...it was not an issue before 17-year-old pregnant Bristol. But now it is, a way to keep that constantly in the forefront. That is the choice some on the left have made.
All I am saying is...while I am sure you think it is justified, there are many who will not. And that is ALL I am saying.
Violence
Probably all of the Middle East has ties in some way to 9/11 and terrorism. Even Great Britain had terrorist cells as well as North Africa. We just can't invade/bomb them all, that will only further increase their hatred for us.
Most of the unrest in Iraq is not U.S.-mainland threatening terrorism, it is sectarian violence. The groups that are fighting each other, Sunni versus Shia, do not pose a threat to the U.S. mainland, never did. They only pose a threat to the Iraquis themselves.
The information you rely on is from a small and slanted informational source. The bigger picture would point toward a different set of facts than those you use to form your theories. So there will never be any agreement on this board between the far rights and the liberals.
BTW, I have two sons, but I did teach them about sex
And knowing how teens hormones control them, I realized something could happen, regardless of my value system. But my husband and I did give them all the information they needed, so your argument there does not hold. My son's are now married, no children, and have good careers. At this point in their lives, they reflect our values, whether or not they strayed from them as teens. They came home and are productive, stable citizens who do not look to the govt to solve their problems. When they make a mistake, such as my youngest who has gotten into a lot of debt, they own up to it and learn from it because they were taught there are consequences for every decision, whether good or bad.
Since I have only boys, I wanted to add, I have many conservative friends who have gotten their teen daughters BC, so you're flat wrong. Again, conservatives do not want anymore govt control over their lives. They want to make their own decisions, pay for their own mistakes, and would like others to do the same.
We have had enough years to observe the product of those who have been turned over to the govt to instruct. No thanks.
I've seen violence too......
the Teamsters get VERY violent when scabs come in and take their jobs. Wouldn't you? I think "yes." Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about using guns to protect our food and our families.
They have done nothing to incite violence
I may not agree with them all the time (and I watch all the shows), but I have never seen anything where they are inciting violence.
I would prefer to teach my
child about it and explain to them that even though this lifestyle is not acceptable, they are people too and we should not treat them poorly. If parents don't teach their children and they bully gay people, dorks, dweebs, smelly kids, etc........the school has every right to punish them for acting that way whether it be writing sentences over and over, calling the parents, etc. You do not have to single out homosexuality and teach this to children as an example of tolerance.
Besides, I said below that on the news they keep talking about how same sex marriage is more accepted by people.....particularly younger people and yet here you are saying that this should be taught in schools because younger people aren't tolerant? So which is it?
Anarchy and violence in New Orleans
Lots of news that there just isn't enough help and the whole city is breaking down. Bush has turned down planes and able-bodied assistance from Canada and Russia as well as offers from many other countries. Says we can handle it ourselves. Folks in New Orleans say FEMA is there but totally unorganized and not providing enough help. I'm thinking this is in the U.S. and it's a MESS. What kind of message are we sending to the world?
I'm getting pretty darn uptight about this whole situation.
Maybe Putin can teach her some judo
like he is going to for Sarkozy. Then she can give them a quick karate chop if they are mean to her. Kapow!
Does your Bible also teach you to lie and slander
You are misinformed about Islam and the Quran and the speech you use here is hateful. The Quran does not teach hate....people teach hate. Got it?
You can teach acceptance of people
different than you without talking about homosexuality. I find that story of the penguins to read to 5 year old children particularly upsetting.
If you can't pray in school and share the word of God in schools.....find another way to teach tolerance without bringing the gay issue into it.
Like I said before, how hard is it to tell kids that we should all be kind to each other because we are all different and that is what makes us all special. What else is there to be said? Treat others as you would have them treat you. It is pretty easy to say it and kids get it.
He didn't teach us to be doormats either!
As a Christian, it is as much our responsibility to speak out against homosexuality as the homosexuals believe it is their right to be allowed to married and now have it pushed down the throats of our children in public school!
No way! Being Christian does not mean you let others run all over you either....
You teach your children right from wrong....
because you LOVE them. A Christian who tries to help a person overcome alcoholism, drug addictions or whatever, they do this because they have love for this person as a child of God and as a brother or sister in the eyes of the Lord and they want to HELP them overcome whatever is burdening them to help them be right with the Lord and it is ALL IN LOVE, which is how it should be.
If what you are saying is true and you seriously are concerned about homosexuality on a Christianity level, then take your Bible and WITNESS to people about it. SHOW them where you find it wrong and explain to them that God loves them anyway and YOU love them anyway, but that you just want to make sure that they see the right path to God.
Coming at it from an angle that it is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and you will NOT tolerate it and such is that, how is that helping anything? How are you being a supportive Christian and making yourself a person that others would want to model after and look up to? How about telling them that despite their sins that God loves them anyway. If you believe it is a sin, according to the Bible, do you also believe that God still loves them, according to the Bible? God does hate the sin, he doesn't hate the person.
We need teachers who teach the facts...(sm)
not their personal opinions. He did not show Obama's inauguration (I would think an essential for a history class -- regardless of who won), and he seems to like to compare Obama to Hitler. That's not a history class....that's a right fringe recruitment tool.
Liberals promote abortion......that is VIOLENCE!!
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Bill O'Reilly did not promote violence.
Liberals don't promote violence, huh? How about the gay rights protestors who physically knocked a cross out of an older woman's hands because how dare she oppose their opinion?
8 October 2005, Seattle, WA: Veteran's Home Vandalized http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/243...html?source=rss
4 September 2005, Louisiana: Democrat Senator Threatens Violence Against Bush Mary Landrieu: I'll Punch Bush, 'Literally'
1 September 2005, National: Leftist Radio Host Encourages Looting Sean Hannity
25 April 2005, National: Leftist Radio Threatens to Assassinate Bush http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadA...le.asp?ID=17878
17 February 2005, Portland, OR: Former Pentagon Adviser Assaulted at University Protester throws shoe at Richard Perle - Politics - MSNBC.com
24 January 2005, Milwaukee, WI: Five Democrats Charged with Election-Day Tire Slashing JS Online: 5 charged in GOP tire slashings
8 November 2004, San Francisco, CA: Muslim/Democrat Mob Attacks College Republicans http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadA...le.asp?ID=15855
30 October 2004, Durango, CO: Liberal Professor Assaults Conservative Student http://www.durangoherald.com/asp-bin/artic...ews041030_1.htm
22 October 2004, Tuscon, AZ: Conservative Commentator Assaulted at University http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/artic...ch22-ON-CP.html
5 October 2004, Orlando, FL: Democrat Mob Storms GOP HQ, Injures Staffers Protestors Ransack Bush/Cheney Headquarters In Orlando - Politics News Story - WKMG Orlando
October 2004, National: A Pattern of Leftist Hatred http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=40898
17 September 2004, Huntington, WV: 3-Year-Old Girl Attacked by Democrat Thugs Washington Times - Democrats accused of ripping Bush signs
20 March 2003, Madison, WI: Republican Heaquarters Vandalized JS Online: GOP headquarters in Madison hit with bricks, paint bombs
11 March 2003, Los Angeles, CA: Peaceniks Destroy 9-11 Memorial http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=31473
1 April 2005 Violent leftist/Democrat physically assaults conservative Pat Buchanan at Western Michigan University http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002026.html
13 February 1996 Liberals steal press run of conservative newspaper Carolina Review in an effort to preserve victory for their liberal candidate http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu.../16/12704.html
1 March 2002 Liberals steal entire press run of a monthly conservative publication at the University of California-Berkeley and harass and intimidate its staff http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=26652
30 November 2004 Entire run of the November issue of the Yale Free Press, a conservative student publication, was stolen over the Thanksgiving break Yale Daily News - Editors say Yale Free Press stolen
October 1999 Liberals at California State University at Sacramento stole 3,000 copies of the student newspaper. They were enraged because the paper, The State Hornet, had published the picture of a Hispanic man being arrested and charged with resisting arrest at a football game. Nat Hentoff
1992 Liberals vandalize offices of The Collegian at the University of Massachusetts http://collegefreedom.org/95press.htm
Violence flares in Iran after election.
Look at MSNBC website. Lots of protests.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31238321/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/
TEHRAN, Iran - Riot police battled with protesters Saturday as officials announced that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won a landslide election victory. His opponent denounced the results as "treason".
The violence broke out as Iran's interior minister said that Ahmadinejad had gained 62.6 percent of the vote.
NBC News reported "violent clashes" between rock-throwing protesters and police in the center of Tehran.
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ALSO, some think this election as voting fraud.
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's Interior Ministry claimed hard-line incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was heading for a surprise landslide victory Saturday in the country's stormy presidential elections. But his pro-reform rival countered that he was the clear victor and accused authorities of voter fraud.
The dispute sharply boosted tensions and raised fears of a standoff after an intense monthlong race between the combative president and his main challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi. A large turnout at the polls had boosted victory hopes for Mousavi, who is backed by a growing youth-oriented movement
Violence flares in Iran after election.
Look at MSNBC website. Lots of protests.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31238321/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/
TEHRAN, Iran - Riot police battled with protesters Saturday as officials announced that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won a landslide election victory. His opponent denounced the results as "treason".
The violence broke out as Iran's interior minister said that Ahmadinejad had gained 62.6 percent of the vote.
NBC News reported "violent clashes" between rock-throwing protesters and police in the center of Tehran.
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ALSO, some think this election as voting fraud.
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's Interior Ministry claimed hard-line incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was heading for a surprise landslide victory Saturday in the country's stormy presidential elections. But his pro-reform rival countered that he was the clear victor and accused authorities of voter fraud.
The dispute sharply boosted tensions and raised fears of a standoff after an intense monthlong race between the combative president and his main challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi. A large turnout at the polls had boosted victory hopes for Mousavi, who is backed by a growing youth-oriented movement
because slander is the 1st stage of violence and abuse...sm
the next step is physical abuse, the next is murder.
As it happens so often.
She could teach a class on it solely based on what she learned
from CONS here. You people provide a wealth of knowledge.
Speak patiently, answer their questions, teach nm
Clowns who teach middle schoolers sex education!
I wonder when the ACLU will get involved....Isn't teaching waiting until marriage to have sex a religious viewpoint and what's it doing in public schools?Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvCvw...erallyi-CLOWNSAs clownish as Dye’s words may sound to you, they are unfortunately not rare ones for young people to hear in classrooms all over the country. Thanks to George W. Bush and a complicit Congress, we currently spend $1.5 billion a year to fund abstinence-only until marriage sex education in our public schools. And yes, that money goes to people like Derek Dye, as he is employed by the Elizabeth New Life Center that received a $800,000 CBAE grant in 2007 to promote abstinence until marriage. His qualifications? A “Bachelor of Fun Arts” from Barnum Bailey Clown College, and an abstinence educator certification that can be purchased for $50. So… what’s wrong with abstinence-only until marriage sex education? Abstinence-only programs censor information about contraception and condoms; make moral judgments students may not share; stigmatize and shame students who have already had sex; and discriminate against GLBTQ students who can’t legally marry. These programs often encourage stereotypical gender roles, use scare tactics, blur religion and science, and contain factual errors, like saying that HIV can be spread through sweat and tears. And using condoms is like juggling machetes… What’s more, abstinence-only programs don’t work – independent study after study has shown that students who receive them don’t have lower pregnancy, HIV, or STI rates. And worse, students who receive abstinence-only programs are less likely to use contraception and condoms when they do have sex. Then again, as one colleague told me today, nothing wants to make her have sex less than a clown… so maybe they’re on to something. So… what can we do to make sure that abstinence-only programs like this one are not funded with our tax dollars? First of all, contact the Obama transition team to make sure that they ZERO OUT these programs in their first budget. Also, ending abstinence-only funding is currently 3rd place on Change.gov's user rankings, so you can go there and vote for it, too. Secondly, we must contact all of our representatives to let them know that we do not want this waste of money being snuck back into the budget through the appropriations process. Send them that message here. For those of you living in Ohio, call or email your Ohio State Senator today and urge them to co-sponsor the Act For Our Children’s Future, a bill to establish standards for comprehensive sexual health education in Ohio’s public schools. LET’S SEND OUT THE CLOWNS!!!
You are just mean period.
You obviously have anger issues. The poster was being respectful while asking questions and you ripped them to shreds. You are a very hateful person. You talk about not judging other people's views and how they live their life, and you judge someone when they just ask you questions. You are very two faced. No wonder this board is not very active. The two or three posters who I see posting here are very mean spirited.
Period.
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Unprovoked Israel on Palestinian settler violence caught on tape
http://sabbah.blip.tv/#1586762
Settler Violence in Hebron
http://sabbah.blip.tv/#1550798
Israeli Settler Shooting Palestinians in Hebron
http://sabbah.blip.tv/#999702
Jewish Settlers Attack Elderly Shepherd and His Wife
http://sabbah.blip.tv/#916017
More Settler Violence in Hebron
http://sabbah.blip.tv/#1653918
CNN Rick Sanchez report on who really broke the cease fire, 01/07/2009
My solution is to get out, period, now.
and I resent having to come up with a solution to a problem that I did not create, an idea that I found ridiculous, that I opposed, that I petitioned, attended rallies with those blood-thirsty Quakers against, and wrote letters to editors, senators, congressmen about. There is nothing to be gained in Iraq.
here we go again. last time period.
(Chris) Matthews is the one with a "thrill up his leg!"
Yes, I AM real. I don't get that syndrome around members of the opposite sex, or around any politician, for that matter.
You should have stopped at Not Tolerant. Period.
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Limited government period. nm
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It is just a sampling of a 3 year period. TI
Actually, no. There was much violence when we left Gaza.
Barack is not a socialist NOT NOT PERIOD sm
get ovah your Fox faux news propaganda. Fair tax cuts do not equal socialism. That's really insane. Any day now, the McCain Bush camp is going to say Barack is a commie. Just wait.
Obama groupies don't think period, let alone think for themselves!
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Coretta King Rejected War (period).
We must remember it was Coretta's funeral, so sentiments were made in HER honor, NOT SUGAR COATED FOR THE BUSHES.
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President Bush may have tried to claim a little bit of the legacy of Coretta Scott King with a warm and generous reference to her at the opening of his State of the Union address this week, but it should be remembered that King was a foe of this president and a frequent critic of his abuses of power.
On the eve of the invasion of Iraq in 2003, King celebrated the anniversary of the birth of her late husband, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., by recalling that the slain civil rights leader had been outspoken in his opposition to unnecessary and unwise wars.
We commemorate Martin Luther King Jr. as a great champion of peace who warned us that war was a poor chisel for carving out a peaceful tomorrow. We must pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means. Martin said, 'True peace is not just the absence of tension, it is the presence of justice,' Coretta King told a crowd that had gathered at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church. She continued, May his challenge and his example guide and inspire us to seek peaceful alternatives to a war with Iraq and military conflict in the Middle East.
Coretta King continued to speak out against the Bush administration's policy of pre-emptive war-making, and she always make it clear that she disagreed passionately with this president.
Coretta Scott King ponders a reporter's question in front of a painting of her late husband, civil-rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., in this Jan. 14, 2003 file photo from Atlanta.
When Bush showed up to lay a wreath at the Rev. King's grave in January 2004, Coretta King was polite but pointed in her remarks. Before greeting Bush, she said at another event at Ebenezer Baptist that she sided with those who opposed the war rather than supported it, and she lamented the fact that those people are not in charge of making the policies of their nations. If they were, she added, I think we would have more peace and more justice.
There will be many celebrations of Coretta Scott King's brave and inspiring life, as well as her rich legacy of activism.
But none will be so appropriate as those that recall her absolute opposition to this president's illegal and immoral war-making.
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It aint gonna happen - it's over for her - period!!!
Do you really want to live under a socialist dictator. If so I think you are in the wrong country. I think there is plenty of room in Cuba or other socialists/communist countries.
Let it rest. She is not going to be president and she is not going to be VP - Even Palosi (sp?) said it's not a good idea. I trust her judgment more than Hillary's and the other feminists pushing for her. Besides...that is just what Obama needs...someone with their hand on the assassination button only too happy to push the button so that she can finally sleeze herself into the seat.
Even the top democrats who kept pushing and pushing for her to be the nominee last night started saying what in the world is going on? Why isn't she conceding? Why isn't she congratulating Barack? Why is she being announced by Terry McAulife as the next president when all votes have been counted and she lost and they know it? Have they totally lost their mind?????
She has no decent characterists about her. Everything is "me, me, me". Not once whenever Barack won a state did she congratulate him, yet everytime she won a state he congratulated her. Now she's giving a speech last night, does not mention the enormous victory this country has finally having a person of color (even though he's half white) win the nomination. Come on - that is a huge victory! And lastly she says "Thank you South Dakota, you had the last word" when Montana's voting booths had not even closed. Oh, which just so happened to be in Barack's favor (oh lets just forget them, their votes don't count because they didn't vote for me). She's a disgrace to the human race! Moreover she's a disgrace to all women!
I don't think Cindy McCain thinks period.
Not at all impressed with her.
Clinton was a worse embarrassment. Period.
OMG -- talking about the dress period is superficial!
Who gives a crap what Michelle Obama was wearing!
There is no reason to resort to this measures - period
But because the current administration is not listening to the top economist, their answer is print money we don't have anything to back it up with. Your lack of education in economics really shows here. It does not matter how much debt someone inherits or makes themselves. You don't print money you have nothing to back it up with. You DO NOT add more debt by adding more trillions then turning around and blaming it on the previous administration. He needs to listen to the economists. "Please stop blaming the fact that we have to resort to these measures on the current administration" Resort to these measures???? Have IQ's dropped that sharply in this short amount of time. He has just increased our deficit in the trillions. This is nothing the previous administration did. This is something that the current administration did, and no fault of the previous administrations. They did this by themselves without the input of anyone with any sense. He didn't have to do this to our country and our children and granchildrens future but he did. So, yes, we are blaming the current administration. This was not the solution to get us out of debt - spend more money. Especially since the "more money" does nothing to stimulate the economy and create jobs. It has gone overseas to other banks and to the most wealthiest in this country. Once again we have another administration who cares nothing (by their own actions) about the American people and getting our economy back on track.
Right, and no rich people means no jobs, period.
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Fox lies PERIOD, the rest are just intelligent, can't you tell the difference? nm
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Yes, by all means, lets condemn the religious right or for that matter religion period but ...
let's continue murdering babies by the millions. Prophecy is being fulfilled.
Bush lied and our brave patriotic soldiers died..PERIOD
Of course Bush lied about WMD and the threat of Iraq..He needed a reason to invade Iraq..If you would do some research you would find many papers that document meetings between Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle and others who devised a way to take over the Middle East in the 1990's..all they needed was a way to present it to the American people, as we would not allow our children to die for no reason. With 9/11, they got the reason and tried to tie up 9/11 with Iraq..I, frankly, think they also had a hand in 9/11..For any who poo poo this..I ask you to do some surfing on the Northwoods Operation..same kind of thing, only in the 1960's..Let a few CIA Hispanic/Cuban operatives invade a few curise ships on Floridas coast, kill a few Americans and we would definitely agree to invading Cuba and killing Casto..Our govt did not agree to it, however, 9/11 seems to me like an updated plan..there are many who also wonder was this an inside job..
Amen to that!!. Ann Coulter is an embarrassment to ALL women, period. She is a race-baiting
hateful, tragically misinformed, stunningly inferior shell of a human being who has been paid by the media to vomit forth inflammatory nonsensical words to the mainstream U.S. who quite frankly, wish she would stick her head up her posterior, exhale and blow herself up.
There's a difference between inciting hate and inciting violence
I don't really even think that MSNBC incites hate, but that could be that I lean a little more left than right. I don't know what you know about Savage, but I do think he has been suspended a time or two for attempts to incite mob type violence. And I personally never said anybody should be banned from this country...the topic of this thread was Great Britain banning Savage. But there is a degree of hypocrisy coming from the right on this issue, though. You tell "us" (which is really pretty crazy because my politics are all over the place, left and right) that because we expressed our views, we should head for Russia, which, correct me if I'm misinterpreting this, seems to be like you are not in favor of "our" free speech.
Olbermann makes me laugh, I like Chris Mathews because he will occasionally surprise me and ask the tough questions. I didn't care for Rush before, but when he mocked Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease, I wrote him off forever. I find myself agreeing with Bill O on some social issues, at least until he gets a little too pompous. I just like looking at Anderson Cooper and don't care what he's saying, I'm buying it. For the most part, though, I listen to my local newscast and sometimes network news, but that's usually just so I know what Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are talking about, who are my favorite source of news.
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Yes, agreed.
Will ignore them and not read them. I feel better already.
Agreed
Of course not everyone feels the same, but there are a large enough number of current and former military that do feel that way. Not everyone thinks this was/is a valuable effort, and feel the cost is high, both financially and otherwise.
Agreed, but we need to take it one war
If we can't take on a little po-dunk country like Afghanistan and finish the job, then what on earth makes him think we can take on TWO countries simultaneously? (And we'll never finish the job in Iraq, either.) If we'd done what we SHOULD have done to Afghanistan after 9/11, we could have finished the job in a couple of days, and sent a HUGE 'Don't mess with us' message to the rest of the Middle East.
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