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Agree! Rush can be harsh, but tells it like it is.

Posted By: Telling the truth WOULD be radical to the left.nm on 2009-03-04
In Reply to: You evidently have not been listening with an open mind - mt

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She can be harsh, but she tells it like it is.
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Ann can be harsh, but she is so smart and tells
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I agree with that. It is too harsh a...
sentence, especially since the guy was a drug smuggler and only had a wound to the rear-end. That is why I am now leaning to a pardon....but why am I thinking there will be some nutjob judge who will actually grant that illegal compensation from the US govt (he is suing). THAT is what I mean that illegals should have no legal standing in this country. Period. SIGH.
Little harsh, Bradley, but I agree with the tax issue,
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Rush is right. I agree. Somebody's gotta agree.
....in many of his policies in his attempt to completely socialize America.

I hope he fails.



I hope he succeeds, however, in the office of president, and doing the right thing, and moves to the center.


However, it's not looking good. He's left of left so far, isn't he. Showing who he truly is, in his first acts as president.




Whoopi would probably have a fit to find out she and Rush agree on

wow that's harsh.
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Wow, that is HARSH......
calling someone a waste of oxygen? Look, President Bush and I disagree on a lot of issues...but the veto is as much the Dems in Congress' fault as it is Bush's. He did not veto the program, he vetoed expanding it to the tune of 6 billion dollars. I don't know about you, but 30-40% off the top of our gross income is ENOUGH already. Why NOT give businesses a tax cut to provide insurance to employees at a lower cost than now, and why not give individuals a tax cut for premiums so they can afford their own insurance? Why on EARTH tax us more? I agree with what you said about prioritization, and I have posted on this board ad nauseam that I felt they should prioritize social programs' money and kids' insurance should come FIRST. Not a SINGLE person agreed with that. You are the FIRST one to say that also. Do you know what they meant by "expansion?" The Dems want to open it up to illegals' kids in a LEGAL way, even though it is already clogged with illegals as it stands, taking money and benefits that should go to American children. That is one of the reasons it was vetoed. Another reason it was vetoed is that it expands coverage to a family of 4 (2 adults 2 kids) making $80,000 a year. I'm sorry, but that is NOT low income. I'm sorry again, but I don't see why a family making $80,000 a year cannot afford to insure their children. I say give them a tax cut so there is a benefit to spending the money to insure their children. But, you say tax cut to a Democrat and they go ape-crazy.

I mean, let's get real. Are they going to expand the program again in 5 years to family of 4 making $120 a year because THEY can't pay for kids' insurance because they are being taxed to death? We really, really, REALLY have to stop entitlement, tax, entitlement, tax, entitlement tax....before ALL of us have to have entitlements to PAY the taxes!!!

Bush (and again, I don't agree with him on everything, and a true conservative he is NOT), practically begged the Dems not to do it this way, tried his best to get them to compromise, and they would have nothing of it. He asked that they extend the program as-is, with all the children covered who have been covered for the last 10 years the program has been in existence, while they worked out a better compromise. But they would have NOTHING of it. Sorry, but I cannot lay the blame for this at Bush's feet. I think Congress has to bear the burden as well. He has been telling them all along he would veto it, but rather than compromise and get most of what they wanted but not ALL, they chose to send him a bill they knew he would veto. If brains were dynamite they couldn't collectively blow their own noses. But...I stop short of calling them a "waste of oxygen." Jerks, YES, but not a waste of oxygen.
Well...here is a harsh dose of reality....
yes, he said that...however...he was also endorsed by terrorists (Hamas) and Iran...that in and of itself should be concerning. Why do you think they said that? Perhaps because he also said that if the winds turn ugly, he would stand with the Muslims, and they took him literally? Or perhaps he meant it literally? Who knows what he really means? He lived his way one life up until he ran for President, and then turned away from all that as each issue was brought up, because he knew it would hurt his candidacy. So who IS the real Barack Obama? Do YOU know? That is not dark and foreboding. It is being vigilant, it is asking for trust and respect to be earned...adoration is fine, but please be vigilant as well. For YOUR own good.
that's good them. I'm sure Obama will have harsh words
for the people who did. That's what I like and respect about him. It's too bad that people like this exist. I think the candidate have their hands full enough with issues without having to deal with something like this now. I hope they find the people who did it and cut off their hands or give them a labotomy or something.
It also tells me
he may have a back alignment problem....big difference in the wear pattern! LOL
That's what he tells us isn't it?
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Someone tells you how to think?
How unfair and unbalanced.
article tells it like it is
Yes I am sure that is why this article was written, to bring the whole republican party down.  It is about false information on buying uranium, Mr. Wilson and his wife are being used to try to undermine the real story, the lies that got us into Iraq.  I do not care if a person is republican or democrat, when there is a question of lies that got us into war, it deserves being investigated.  Thankfully, the prosecutor is republican, that way if some are found guilty, it cannot be twisted into a partisan decision.
Your last sentence tells it all
Your last sentence concerning ammo, in my opinion, sums up your beliefs, i.e., republicans, versus democrats.  Everything to you righties is fight time, attack time, war time whereas we lefties post something for people to read or debate, not to fight.  I cant speak for all, but I believe negotiating, talking out problems, trying to understand each other works better than slinging insults, attacks, and using ammo.  A nonpartisian person reading these posts would be able to see, the attacks more often than not are from the right wingers.
try not to believe everything the media tells you to....
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I think she tells untruths

and I don;t like that in anyone.  Bridge to nowhere, earmarks, etc.  Don't like a hypocrite.  What I really do not like, which is not actually her fault, is the fact that she is being foisted on us like she is so exceptional and we are lucky to have her.  I don't think a woman whose main goal in life was to a sports reporter on TV has the brilliance and love of country we need in a leader.  To be able to state with a straight face that she can see Russia from Alaska qualifies as foreigh policy experience is an insult to my intelligence. She entered a beauty contest and then wanted to coast along on her looks by looking pretty and reading a teleprompter on TV.  That is just not a combination worthy of such a high office.


 


Tells you something troubling is going on
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I don't believe everything the media tells me to...

What it tells me is that you are interested in
naysaying, innuendo, division, polarization and the like. Sam, what matters to most of us savoring this incredible moment in our history is not what happened in the past. In this way, even the shrub gets a get out of jail card. My interest lies in the future and I see nothing suspicious or scary about Obama despite your best efforts after all these months. I also am not interested in preaching to the choir from either side. What I think matters now is that we try our best to get past this election and on with the business of uniting ourselves behind our leadership and start tackling the very difficult challenges we face on so many fronts. The economy is an equal opportunity crisis. Addressing global warming, the environment and alternative energy offers the promise of benefit for us all, and peace on earth is a goal that we share with the peoples of the world. Those matter to me. Not the implied, possible nefarious ties Rahm Emanuel may or may not have with the boogey man.
It tells me three things off the top of my head.

First, it tells me that he has an excellent work ethic.  He worked very hard to be the best lawyer he could be, which leads me to believe if he were President, he'd work just as hard to be the best President he could be.  In my opinion, Bush has NO ethics -- work or otherwise.


Secondly, it tells me that I don't believe in popularity contests.  If he won or lost his own state is irrelevant to me.  I respected what the man had to say, and the thought of a President Edwards over a President Bush has been looking better and better on a daily basis every day for the last year.  If we can't have a leader who has firsthand experience as a combat veteran in a foreign war, then the next best thing is to have one who actually HAD to work for a living, someone who went from being poor to being rich by virtue of hard work and dedication, instead of someone being born, as Ann Richards once said, with a silver foot in his mouth.


As far as bankrupting any STATE, the most damage Edwards could have done was to decrease some PROFITS of insurance companies (easily recouped by raising malpractice insurance rates).  I doubt he did any financial harm to the state.  Because of him and his lawsuits, though, there might be a few more doctors practicing CARE now when they practice medicine.  Don't forget.  Million dollar verdicts are handed down by juries, peers of plaintiffs, in these matters.  Maybe you think it's okay for doctors to get richer and richer as a result of getting sloppier and sloppier, but I don't.  Negligence should be punished.  That's what punitive damages are for.  If the lawsuits were meritless, they would have been thrown out of court.  Simple as that.


The third thing it tells me is that I'm entitled to my liberal opinion, on the LIBERAL BOARD, whether CONSERVATIVES like it or not.


Oh, something tells me you'd love to be at that judgment. ...sm
I think nothing would delight you more.

>> of all these babies aborted, could one of them have been the person that cures cancer? Or becomes the next great leader? >>

That seems wildly optimistic to me. I think it's just as likely that of all those babies aborted, one could have been the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Timothy McVeigh (sp?). Or, more likely, just your average low-life criminal, or not-so-productive drain on society. I mean, I don't mean to be negative, but most people are just, well, I think "average" is putting it nicely. Have you been to the mall or any other public place lately? Wow.


>> Abortion is an easy way out. If you can't make the correct choice to have sex or not, to use protection or not, then you should have to live with the consequences>>

You should have to live with the consequences? So... pregnancy and parenthood as punishment, then? You sound awfully vindictive. So, have sex without protection like when you're a stupid teenager, or even with protection and it fails, and be punished for it for the rest of your life and the child's? Yeah. That sounds like a great recipe for the neverending cycle of misery and poverty that some people get stuck in.
Former POW with McCain tells of war experience..sm



http://www.thenma.org/blogs/index.php/theveteransvoice/2008/07/05/former_pow_with_mccain_tells_of_war_expe



.....Though he seldom speaks of it, the only reason Knutson retells the horrific tale of his time in North Vietnam is to help people, especially children, realize the sacrifices others have made for their freedom. It’s a sacrifice he’s made, and it’s one McCain has made.

And that in itself tells Knutson what kind of president John McCain would be.
The same SP who tells Couric she is a feminist and
while she chafes and bristles during the Williams interview (when seated next to McC)? Keeping track of one's own stance on gender issues should not present such conflict and challenge to a VP pick. SP does doesn't blink and eye at McC's air quotes and sneering "mother's health" utterance, in view of her own stance on women's reproductive rights, whereby she cuts no slack, even in the case of rape and incest victims. In addition, she supports McCain's views on the issue of equal pay for women.

More than four decades after the Equal Pay Act made it illegal to pay men and women different wages for the same work, the fight over equal pay has not been put to rest. Although the wage gap has narrowed since the days when full-time working women made 58 cents on average to the dollar earned by men, women's wages have remained stuck at 77 cents to the dollar since 2001 (the shrub era).

McCain's contribution? In 1985, McCain voted against a study to investigate pay differences among federal employees, and determine whether they were the result of discrimination. His progress in the last 23 years? In April 2008 McCain voted against Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, stating it “opens us up for lawsuits, for all kinds of problems and difficulties.” "We do not need to put this burden of equal pay on business. Women need more education and better training.

Failin Palin is no suffragette. As a matter of fact, a McCain/Palin administration would set back the gains women have made toward equality at least 35 years. For many of us, we may as well keep right on going, straight back to the turn of the 20th century.
My conscience tells me that it is murder.....sm
and that is even apart from what my religious beliefs tell me. I believe in life at the moment of conception as I stated in my post above. I won't go into all that again.

As far as amounts and agencies and how monies from my taxes and every one else's taxes are distributed to help provide medical care for those who receive free (to them) medical care, of course I can't provide that. I am not privy to where each of my tax dollars go and how much of it is spent on various government agencies or governmental salaries, etc., and neither do you. Funny, though, you're not asking Obama to produce his birth certificate or from whom he received campaign contributions, huh.
He tells us who he is every single day. And it isn't pretty.
Your mother really was right, wasn't she? She always taught you to judge character by what people do and not what they say. BO exemplifies Mom's wisdom.
God tells us not to publish our good deeds.
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A separate issue entirely. History tells us that
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Life experience tells me 90% over 8 years =
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That sure tells the story in no uncertain terms...
what is amazing is, KNOWING this, people will vote for him anyway.

We should send that link to everyone we know.
Well I guess if you pray to the same Allah who tells others
to chop off the heads of Americans and those who are not Islam, then yes. Somehow that's not the God I pray to. But if that's the one you do - more power to ya. There are different gods.
Bush tells Larry King that Ken Lay was a *good guy*

Video at:  http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/07/bush-lay/


Transcript:



KING: The death of Ken Lay.


G. BUSH: Yes, yes.


KING: I know he was your friend. How do you feel? Were you shocked?


G. BUSH: I was. I was very surprised. You know, just — my hope is that his heart was right with the Lord, and I feel real sorry for his wife. She’s had a rough go, and she’s now here on earth to bear the burdens of losing her husband, a man she loved.


KING: Was that whole thing, the whole Enron story shocking to you?


G. BUSH: Yes, yes.


KING: Because, I mean, you knew him pretty well from Texas, right?


G. BUSH: Pretty well, pretty well. I knew him. I got to know him. This — people don’t believe this, but he actually supported Ann Richards in the ‘94 campaign.


KING: She told me that.


G. BUSH: She did?


KING: She liked him a lot.


G. BUSH: Yes, he’s a good guy. And so what I did — then did was we had a business council, and I kept him on as the chairman of the business council. And, you know, got to know him and got to see him in action.


One of the things I respected him for was he was such a contributor to Houston’s civil society. He was a generous person. I’m disappointed that there was this — he betrayed the trust of shareholders, but…


KING: Did you know him well, Mrs. Bush?


L. BUSH: I knew him. Not really well, but I did know him.


KING: Did you know his wife?


L. BUSH: And I know Linda and I’m sorry for her.


KING: Did you contact her?


L. BUSH: I haven’t.


G. BUSH: I haven’t yet. I’m going to write her a letter at some point in time.


 

All that tells me is he doesn't want to break in a new pair of shoes...
can't say as I blame him. lol.
He tells the truth. has guts. Shows compassion
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Okay, so only Fox News tells the truth. I see where you're coming from. nm
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Guantanamo General Tells Story of the Hidden Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
I am appalled, and would hope everyone on this board is too. These are the people who hate us and want to kill us, and the liberals/democrats/Obama, want to close down this base, bring them to America, and give them the same rights that we have.




Guantanamo General Tells Story of the Hidden Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

Tuesday, December 16, 2008

By Catherine Herridge

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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

The soldiers who guard Khalid Sheikh Mohammed say he is a calculating man, a monster in a monk's habit and a leader of the prisoners locked away in Guantanamo Bay, where he's on trial for the murder of thousands.

With rare access and interviews, FOX News has learned new and sobering details about "The Sheikh," the man known simply as KSM.

"I was there when they read him his charges," said Brig. Gen. Gregory Zanetti, deputy commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo. "Pretty sobering moment — charged with murder, terrorism, conspiracy. He looked at the sheet and said 'I did this, I did this, I did this. I did more than this. I'm guilty. I feel sorry for my defense attorney.'"

Zanetti told FOX News about life behind the wire at Guantanamo Bay's maximum security camps. Camp 7 is home to the most notorious, including Mohammed, the master planner of 9/11.

"He's very compliant, he is very studious and he is very calculating. He thinks things through very well, he plays things out. When you watch him in court, he has all of this choreographed," Zanetti said.

"He wants to die — he wants to be a martyr for the cause. He believes his story is being written right now, to be laid down side by side next to [the Prophet] Muhammad," Zanetti told FOX News.

Inside Guantanamo, maximum security cells provide an arrow pointing toward Mecca to orient the prisoners for prayer. Mohammed prays constantly, apparently a devout man, which Zanetti finds mystifying.

"The guy's got a long beard, studious glasses — he looked like a professor. ... You see him in a cell and he'll pray hours on end. What God are you praying to? What are you thinking, what is going on up there?" Zanetti wonders. "But if he could do it all again, he would."

Even in captivity, he still is leading members of AL Qaeda, who fall in lock-step with his plans.

"He knows what he's going to say, the message he wants to get out, what he's going to have his followers do. You've seen him in court — very quickly people fall in behind him."

Sketch artist Janet Hamlin's brush with Mohammed came at his first court appearance at Guantanamo in June. As a courtesy, the military allowed KSM to review the sketch. He quickly sent word to Hamlin that he hated it.

"He doesn't like it. He's saying he won't approve of it, it cannot be released until the nose is changed," she told FOX News. Mohammed made his demands clear: "'Tell her to find my FBI photo off the Internet, use that as reference. Fix it.'"

Mohammed's concern about his image is fundamental, but it can also breed rivalries among the detainees.

"You see this inside the camps; they get jealous of each other: 'You were in the news more than I was in the news.' It drives [Mohammed] crazy if he thinks no one cares. He thinks he's part of this much bigger picture," Zanetti said.

But the picture inside Guantanamo is often an ugly one. Some prisoners do all in their power to violate the guards.

"What they do is stuff that you and I would find despicable. They save up their bodily fluid, feces and so on, and then when the guard comes to deliver food, they get a feces cocktail thrown in their face."

It's something Zanetti says occurs almost daily, and weighs heavily on the guards, who are tasked with feeding and clothing the prisoners and tending to them when they are sick. Hospital staff get the worst exposure of all from the detainees, he said.

"You ensure that their life is as comfortable as possible while the detainees are trying to make the guards' life as miserable as possible."

Those daily doses of hatred are a stark reminder about some of the men locked up inside the camp, including Mohammed, who has claimed responsibility for decapitating Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002.

"We have more than our fair share of Hannibal Lecters around here," Zanetti said.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468125,00.html
Pelosi tells illegal immigrants that work site raids are un-American


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/pelosi-tells-illegal-immigrants-work-site-raids-american


 


Rush

What an evil, hateful, intolerant, ignorant person, but that explains the following he has with some on these boards.  Birds of a feather stay together.  Maybe it makes them feel more powerful somehow.  If they weren't so hateful, I might even feel sorry for some of these poor misguided souls. 


There seems to be an increasing movement of hate and intolerance in this country, wrapped around the Bible and the flag, neither of which is undeserving of such sacrilage by people who claim to love God and country. 


It's becoming scarier every day to be an American who (1) might not belong to the "right" religion (no pun intended), (2) who thinks that Bush is taking us backwards in time, and (3) who supports our troops by wanting them to come home to their families safe, alive and intact, and to only be used when absolutely necessary, not at the whim of a president who has lies and who can't be trusted.


Rush is all over this, too. nm
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Rush is Right Again

Who said anything about Jesus?  Maybe I'm a Jew! 


If you go to Rush's w/s, you'll see his "official Obama criticizer," aka "Bo Snerdley."


And speaking of the Jews, it was a Dem. strategist who made the comment in FL that the Jews wouldn't vote for a black man.  That may well be on Rush's w/s as well.  Even Rush hadn't heard that one.


Y'all just make this way TOO easy  too much fun for me!


Rush is Right

If you actually studied this stuff you'd know what you're talking about.  Even Greta played the soundbyte of what he said.  It was printed on his web page, and is probably still there. 


I don't have time to get into having studied this literally all my life.


Regardless, if you think that having a Socialist in the White House is the answer and that border security means nothing, then vote away for one.  Ironically, the person who wrote the book "Real Change" before Obama picked it up as his buzz word was Newt Gingrich.  You may have no idea who he even is.


Try looking at JusticeOnTheBorder.com or EyesOnTheBorder.com if you want to compare what Obama & Clinton said about opening our flood gates even more as they pandered to all the illegals. 


You probably also had no idea that he has over 20 million listeners daily.  Literally nobody can touch him.  When you're on top, they always try to topple you. 


Rush is NO racist.  Even so, there's no law against it, whether it be black against white, white against black, etc.


I can't even believe when read things like this. 


Have a nice day.


Rush
I LOVE RUSH!! Rush's show is so informative and entertaining at the same time. At least we still have someone who tells the truth about our government.
Re: Rush
Rush is common sense, huh?  Do you consider being a blatant racist common sense? He lets it be known that he hates minorities and women, and as far as he is concerned all women are brainless individuals who should not have rights. Do you truly consider what he spews as gospel?  He is one of the most toxic media personalities I have ever had the misfortune to listen to as many others feel he is, and he offers nothing of value to the true COMMON SENSE American public. The citizens of this country, whether white, black, red, yellow need to be brought together to make a  change, whether you like Obama or not, whether your party affiliation is Republican or Democrat.  I look at our current state and it saddens me that these individuals whom we have entrusted have continually messed over us and we STILL believe what they say and do - look at what we have endured for the past eight years and will for years to come.  It's criminal. 
Rush Limbaugh sm
I stopped listening to him when he started calling us feminazis. I can't believe that big load of (expletive) is still allowed on the air. Not only is he ignorant, he's a hypocrite and a druggy and if he's trying to impress someone, it's not me.
You are losing it for us, Rush.
"Whether you agree with the fact that it's going on or not, we all have come to the decision that it's best that we win it. You haven't even joined us on that. You hope we lose it. You want to lose it because you want to embarrass the leaders of the country. What must your lives be like?"

First of all, there is no war to be won. Our enemy cannot be destroyed by brute force. Our enemy hides among the population, lives among the people. They have no strongholds we can attack, no supply lines we can cut, and no army we can outmatch and outgun on a traditional battlefield. We are fighting on their terms, but we have refused to acknowledge that. I ask you, what do you think Rush means when he talks about "winning the war in Iraq?" What does he envision as victory? The end of all violence against American targets? Complete and total peace? When Iraqis welcome our soldiers into their homes, and hug and kiss them in the streets? The insurgency is a disease. We have tried to destroy the infections that we have encountered, but we have not found a cure. We cannot prevent it, we cannot vaccinate against it. So long as American forces remain in Iraq, there can be no peace. You cannot convince the average Iraqi that we are there for his benefit, when his brothers have been killed by our soldiers, his home bombed by our planes, his life governed and monitored by our Army. So long as our soldiers patrol their streets, the Iraqis cannot be free, and the insurgency will continue. The hard truth is, the Bush administration does not know what to do in Iraq. They do not know how to achieve victory, because they do not know what victory should mean.

Leave Iraq. Bring our soldiers home. Apologize to the Iraqi people. Has anyone in the Bush camp ever thought of that? We are not fighting the Iraqi people as a whole. We are fighting various elements within the population. We owe the Iraqi people an apology, for invading their lives and killing their innocents (and because it was accidental does not excuse us from our responsibility). It is wrong to hate the Iraqi people. The vast majority of them are victims, caught in the crossfire. But the longer we remain in Iraq, the more noncombatants will join the insurgency, and become our enemies. The insurgents don't need to recruit new members; we are providing the people with reasons to join the fight against us, merely by doing what we are currently doing in their country. It is the propaganda that people like Rush spread that creates more and more hate, and makes it harder and harder to really and truly win the war in Iraq.
blowhard rush
But it is okay for the blowhard, Rush, to rag on people, lie about people, diss people?  Make a joke about people and their struggles?  The minute someone proves what Rush is all about and you freak out.  Tell me, if the article by Olbermann about Rush is not true, why has Rush's transcript where he is putting down on Sheehan been removed from his website?  Why has he denied stating derogatory remarks about Sheehan?  He knows he did because we have it in the net and on video.  You know, it bugs me that blowhards spout their hate and intolerance, bugs me for sure but it bugs me even more when you can't own up to your remarks.  If he stated it, he needs to come clean and we all know he stated it, as the proof is in the net.
Rush's new bottom.
 I do not listen to Rush but I saw this on television and read it in the paper. Michael J. Fox has done a commercial for the democrat running in Missouri who is pro stem cell research. He is obviously having a really bad day or his Parkinson's has progressed since I last saw him. Anyway, Rush said that Fox was **acting,** flailing all over the place, that he knew Fox had Parkinson's but that he has never seen any symptoms of it before this political ad. He said Fox might have stopped taking his medication so that he would flail around more, but if not, then he was acting.  Unfrigging believable. I have seen Fox unable to sit still or stop moving many many times even while taking medication over the years. I think he was diagnosed in 1994 so 12 years later he has probably deteriorated quite a bit. This just struck me as so mean-spirited. Knocking the homeless, the mentally ill, etc. is one thing, disgusting in my opinion, but to accuse a sick man of faking it is snake belly low. People in glass pill bottles should not throw stones.
Now you know how Rush feels. sm
Only he really IS deaf. 
Rush is a Band... nm
and he's a blow-hard.
Is Rush for real?

Did anyone hear R. Limbaugh's comments?  I only caught part of it, but it sounded like he was talking about liberals as though we are satan or something.  "You can't let them do this, or you can't let them do that".  All the time saying "them" like it's a dirty word.  Years ago I used to like him.  Now he disgusts me.   Now more than ever do we need a democrat president - just so I can see their faces and hear them whine.....oh wouldn't that be good.


You all have proven Rush right ...

no meaningful dialogue, just name-calling.