Again my point is made - you just like arguing and bashing people that don't agree with you
Posted By: me on 2008-08-26
In Reply to: The caps was so that you who complain about abortion posts... - sam
Your bringing up a dead subject while shouting it at us. You started an abortion post on 8/25 and bashed everyone who didn't agree with you, and you were bashing people on 8/22 about the same subject. Everytime someone brought up their viewpoint you be arguing or bashing them. The point I (and others) are making is you keep bringing this up again and again and again and again and when people don't agree with you you bash them, then when they come back to say something you bash them even more. Then when we finally get a break and have new topics, you start another post about the abortion thing again. The abortion issue is getting tiring for all. We know what abortions are, how horrible they are, and we know how babies are made and the stages of their lives (we are MT's and all took the course) but you feel the need to keep it up and up and up and it's getting real old. Besides that it looks like you are posting under other names and then answering yourself.
I want to read people's opinions and questions of issues we are facing. Abortion is not one of them for most of us. Let it go and move on. What I am trying to say is that while I'd like to hear your viewpoints on other issues enough with the abortion and try and not be so argumentative all the time.
Yes, we all have the right to post things, but it looks like you are posting just for the sake of arguing and we're all getting tired of it.
So go ahead bash me some more.
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No point in arguing with you though. So your
I suppose your comments will not bother me if I do not try to argue/respond, so I no longer will. Easy solution. It's not that I don't think you have some relatively reasonable views on providing health care to kids, you just aren't willing to have your taxes raised to provide that care, and that is your personal feeling. I could come up with some great solutions too, but the fact is that you and I are not a part of Congress, and any hypothetical solutions we come up with are going to do nothing to cover the families that could benefit from the S-SCHIP right now, which is when these families need help - right now. I will gladly support any bill that is designed to ease medical costs for any family. I will gladly have my taxes raised if it means children and families making middle-income wages suffer less.
So you can respond to this if you want, but I will no longer respond to any of your posts.
I'm really not interested in arguing the point...sm
Of who is worst because you are right they all were wrong. I just don't understand why when someone does something wrong people expect you to not say anything about it because *others* have committed similar crimes in the past and got away with it. And??
I understand being upset about Studd and even Clinton if you feel that strongly about it, but don't expect business as usual when a scandal like this hits the fan. People are going to talk about it. 23 years ago when Studd was having his affair I was in grade school so excuse me for first not knowing what you were talking about (until I researched it) and second not seeing the relevance of it in the case of Foley. I'm sure there was outrage for what Studd did too. Now upon learning about Studd and his (I can't say that here), I even said I do not know how or why the people continued to vote him in and yeah he should have had the decency to step down. Sorry you think I'm being partisan - NO far from it. I am always disgusted with people who prey on children, birth to the day before they turn 18, sexually.
Oh and don't expect me or anyone else to think Foley is some stand up type of guy because he stepped down AFTER GETTING CAUGHT, mind you. Had he not been caught he would still be IM'ing children.
Yeah Clinton was wrong for lying under oath. He should have told the truth and apologized *to his wife*. It's not like it is illegal to have an extramarital affair.
Like you said, they are all morally wrong, but I tend to be more disgusted with child predators. It doesn't matter if you agree with me (there are plenty of people who do). We'll just have to agree to disagree.
One point you didn't bring up was Foley's job responsibility. That makes it a little more eerie. Are people not supposed to be disappointed that this is who we have in charge of protecting our children?
It's okay for gt to wish people to burn in hell, THAT'S okay, but THIS is bashing. sm
Whiners.
No bashing from me. I agree with you.
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Yes! You made my point exactly
They just keep shipping the jobs out until eventually we'll be left with millions of doctors and lawyers!! And who wants that?! :)
Seriously, something has to be done about this. Unfortunately, quite a few politians are paid by these big companies that make profits by off-shoring. We have to start putting major pressure on them to stop.
You just made my point..........
Narrow minded people always assume, as the Obama supporters have, if you ain't for their guy, you must be for McCain. I couldn't stand either one of them. The populace, to include illegals, all ran to Obama and for what? Because they think the government is supposed to take care of them.
When I see people on this board griping and whining about one or the other parties, it amazes me why they gripe at all. They obviously don't care about this country at all, just themselves. I doubt most of them even bother to research anything for themselves. They let their TV screen do all their thinking for them, as now Obama will do for them.
You have just proved the point I made below
While I don't agree with your opinion 100 percent at least you can talk to us without making anything we say personal, A.W. and Carla cannot.
I'll agree that some had a visceral hatred of Clinton. I never did personally. I didn't vote for him, did not think he was a good president, but I didn't walk around everyday blaming everything bad in my life on him either. I disliked by his personal example that he lowered the morality level in our country several notches, and yes, I do think that he should have been thrown out of office for #1) having sexual favors performed just outside the oval office by someone other than his wife, and #2) then looking in the face of every American and lying about it (#2 being the damning impeachable offense).
At this point I haven't seen proof that Bush has done anything impeachable. I think Bush has done some good things while in office and has also done some things I don't agree with. However, if I support the president in any way then I'm accused of bowing down and worshipping at his feet by A.W. and Carla, and let's not forget the late-to-this-board gt. Their reactions are way beyond the rational although it is understandable why Carla may have these strong feelings given what she's gone through this year. I think she may be misdirecting some of her anger though.
You have made your point, move on.nm
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Glenn could not have made his point
better! MSNBC picked up on the show so quickly, along with all the regular critics, they really spread his message for him. They are such a great advertising firm for him and Bill-O! Thanks for posting it on here!
Yep, MSNBC made a point of going over that
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I respectfully disagree on one point you made:
*...most of us on the liberal board do not buy *impending doom* theory that you live by.*
I personally will be fearful of *impending doom* for the next 3 years. If I/we can get through that, then I'll be able to relax (a little) as hopefully more Americans will come to their senses.
Starcat made a very valid point.
You don't tolerate irresponsibility when it comes to pet owners (which I agree with, by the way), yet you seem to welcome it when it comes to your political party. One has to ask why you continue to sing the praises of and support the most irresponsible administration in US history, yet you express outrage about a cat owner. Just doesn't make sense.
And as far as you being tolerant, one only needs to take a quick look at the conservative board to see how laughable that really is. You and your cohorts post the most intolerant posts I've ever seen anywhere on the internet.
I do agree with you about pet owners being responsible. I am a pet owner and keep my pets under control simply because I love them and want to keep them safe.
See? You're proving the very point made about
right wing rage. Sure hope you and your fanatic friends don't all own guns......
Good post. I think you made your point!
Go McCain/Palin 2008
Good, I made my point, but I won't move on.
 Too bad for you.
You just made my point.....shouldn't they be protected
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I thought Brunson made a good point down below.
One of the reasons the antiwar protesters have not been taken more seriously is that they have personalized this against Bush and not against war. I do think it is possible to separate the two. But I also think that protesting in the streets puts our military at risk, in fact I know that it does. The pen is a mighty weapon. Senators and congressmen and women want to be reelected. Sitting in front of the WH with a bullhorn and shouting obscenities and name calling to the President of the United States is not going to ever work. And it shows a distinct lack of respect, if not for the man, then for the office and the White House itself.
No, Duck, not made up, and you fail to miss my point...
I think the dems are missing a LOT of points with Obama's plans for us...
I made my point. Reading comprension problem?
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Obama bashing versus Palin bashing... sm
Obama will be in the forefront for the next 4 years, assuming the electoral college pans out the way the popular vote did and providing his BC holds up in court.
Palin, on the other hand, has gone back to the frozen tundra. Whether she resurfaces in 2012 remains to be seen, but can't we just wait until then to start in on her?
Nope, she just made me think I really don't like rude people...
In day to day life or on this forum.
Lila appears to have an ax to grind with her passive-aggressive insults and no real knowledge or insight to share.
As I said, I don't care for rude people, whether liberal or right-wing or out of the box completely.
People are such hypocrites. If Bush had made the
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Looks like the good people of Connecticut made the right choice. sm
In a conference call with reporters Wednesday night, Cheney implied that US Senator Joe Lieberman's (D-CT) loss to anti-war challenger Ned Lamont was a victory for al Qaeda types.
If Lieberman is neocon friendly, you want to definitely aim the Raid can in his direction.
Want to take a wild guess on who Cheney meant by al Qaeda types? Christianne Amanpour from CNN is comparing 911 truthers and liberals to al Qaeda and the alleged terrorist threat yesterday.
I agree. cow poop is made by cows.
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I agree with that, she made an 'evil pact'..nm
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I agree. thought she made a total
jerk of herself, and did she imply he did not work hard for every advance he has made in the military! These people should learn to have some civility. It apparently is the going thing now to demoralize and humiliate people. I wonder why our kids are turning into rabid packs at their schools?
I agree, I was responding to some of the ugly remarks made below nm
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I agree that we need to buy American made products, in particular cars...
but that entails the idea that we can make cars just as affordable as foreign companies. Right now we have the same problem here as we do with the oil industry. Huge tax breaks for foreign industry and we can't compete.
Agree. The booing from the crowd today made me
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I believe when people need to point out
now educated or 'well educated' they are, they wish you to know that they managed to haul themselves through 4 years of college and get a certificate at the end of it. A formal ecucation. We all know folks whose 'education' ended right there.
Then there is the school of experience, university of hard knocks that the rest of us are still attending. Our self-education never ends. Since we do not consider our cup already to be full, it is still possible to pour more information into our cup.
I know a woman with a master's degree in city planning. For a while she cleaned houses for a living. Now she works for a travel agency. I think the prospect of having to compete for and perform in a job suitable to her education was very scary for her. However, she never misses a chance to tell any client or acquainance about her degree and what a 'lark' it is that she's booking tours. She's been on thls 'lark' for 15 years.
Call me weird, but I am not impressed with a degree unless it is required to be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon. And you have to actually be using the degree.
You people have missed the whole point.
President Obama has not even been president for a week yet and he has an extremely long list of promises that he has made. Truthfully, there are some promises I don't want him to keep because I don't agree with him. He just has a lot of live up to because he has promises so much. I don't expect for him to do everything right away because that is impossible and for you to suggest that I expect this "change" to happen overnight is both stupid and unrealistic. I was just stating the fact that he has been pres for less than a week, has already broken 2 promises he has made, and has a rather large list of more promises. It was just an observation. Don't have a cow.
The POINT IS.....we are ONE people......Americans
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That's my point.... people should be more worried about
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your mixing people up to try and make a point but not doing it well
First you compare Obama to her, but then on an issue you compare Obama to McCain because you know you don't have anything bad to compare to Gov Palin with. Then when you talk about Obama you praise him and when you talk above Gov Palin you demean her. Where is the fairness in that?
First, nobody is taking anything away from Obama. He is intelligent, articulated, has a beautiful family, has done quite well for himself both career and family wise.
Nobody is saying he is exotic and comparing it to her saying she is a quantessential American Story. People are very impressed with Obama's life history. Hawaii is a very exotic sounding state (I've never heard him described as exotic). Ahh Hawaii, beautiful oceans, white sandy beaches - everyone's dream vacation. You make it sound like people are tearing him down because he was born in Hawaii. Alaska is quite different. You have to admit that hunting moose is not your everyday experience but nowhere in any news source or anywhere have I heard people compare where they grew up in to put one down and bring the other up.
Nobody has said that because his name is Barack he's a radical unpatriotic Muslim. He's a Muslim turned Christian period, but not because of his name, and nobody has said she's a Maverick because of what she named her kids.
Nobody has said he is unstable because he graduated Harvard. On the contrary. People have said he is one of the most intelligent persons to have graduated and become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. That's not an accomplishment many people can say they have and that is what I am hearing everywhere. And who cares how many colleges she went to (this is your first demeaning statement of her by saying they were "small" colleges instead of just saying "5 colleges"). My DH has attended about 7 colleges all because of where he was living at the time and he is far from "well grounded" and I have never heard people say that about her.
Second part of belittling her and raising him up is by saying he is a "brilliant" community organizer. Brilliant may be your view of him, but I would just say he was a community organizer. No need to say he is brilliant and all other words of praise while belittling her. Yes, she was on TV but she was not a "local weather girl" (another cheap shot at trying to put her down). She was a TV News anchor and covered sports. And your description of her time served as councilwoman, mayor, and governor is a little more than insulting. It goes to verify that you just hate her and what she has accomplished. You need to research all the good things she has done and whether you like it or not, she has done a lot of good things for the people and made their lives better. And to try attack the population of Alaska as though it's some kind of negative for her, and make her sound any less by saying they were small towns and state. Governer is governer. Responsibilites are the same wether your a governor of Alaska, Hawaii, California or any other state (give or take a few of the state programs). BTW Alaska is more than twice the size of Texas. And funny how Dean was the frontrunner for the dems when the population of Vermont is smaller than Alaska (yes, I'm sure you all don't want to remember that little tid bit).
Gov. Sarah Palin was on the city council for 2 years, Chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Committee for 1 year, was mayor of Wasilla for 6 years. She defeated a 3-term mayor. She created positions and even reduced her salary. She cut property taxes by 75% and eliminated personal property and business inventory taxes. She made improvements to the roads and sewers and increased funding to the police department. She also procured funding for storm-water treatment to protect freshwater resources. She ran a second term and won by 74%. She's promoted oil and natural gas resource development. She sold a jet, got rid of a personal chef and drives herself to work from her home (50 miles) even though she is allowed a per diem and hotel. She got rid of the bridge to nowhere and she signed into law the AGIA. So your portrayal of what Gov. Palin has done is quite inaccurate while boosting up Obama. Gov. Palin's past qualifications will most definitely contribute and help her to be a good VP.
Obama was a state legislature from 1997-2004, in the US Senate in 2004, and became a junior senator in 2005. You can't even seriously compare the two.
Yes Obama has been married to Michelle for 19 years and their two daughters are beautiful. Sarah has been married to Todd for 20 years and they have five beautiful children. (your comparing Barack to Sarah in all your answers - so why did you jump to John McCain on this one?)
Whatever kind of safe sex education you want to give pre-schoolers (who should be
more concerned with learning how to read and write is just wrong). Gov. Palin did not advocate teaching only abstinence. And she had nothing to do with her daughter getting pregnant. The best of children come up pregnant both in democratic and republican party.
Funny how you were all for Bill Clinton getting ready to be called "First Dude", but now you have a problem with Todd Palin being called "First Dude", and don't even try to justify that one with Bill Clintons background. Are you saying the the VP's spouse is suppose to have a college education? How egotistical of you. Especially since he is a commercial fisherman, for 18 years worked in the oil fields, member of the United Steelworkers, among other things. That's a pretty stable background.
Kudo's to Michelle for graduating from Harvard, but not everyone wants to go to college to be a lawyer (and in my opinion we need less lawyers in DC, not more), but to take away from Todd Palin because he doesn't have a college degree????
And to mention such an insignificant note that he didn't vote until 25? Who cares? And I'm not sure that is even true, but just plain trivial.
This post is just another liberal post trying to trash and demean decent people, not giving credit where credit due, while propping up your candidate, with inflated statements.
Ok, much clearer now to you?
Was bashing her, was bashing his choice of
her. I said she was not the MOST qualified. Did not say she wasn't qualified. I said he picked because she would help with the base. That's actually a compliment.
Rather than attacking, try to understand the content.
I agree to a certain point.....
I found it loathsome that he abandoned his wife and children. I have also seen tears in his eyes when he recounts this and admits he abandoned the entire situation.
The problem is, when I watch Obama, he is never apologetic for his associations and NEVER fesses up to them. He just denies them as if they don't exist, when everyone knows they do. And even scarier to me, who will fill ALL THOSE thousand of positions he will appoint if he gets in the white house. I'll betcha 100 to 1 it will be Muslims, people you've never heard of before, questionable associations, questionable how they can even be in the white house cabinet because there will be BIG questions if they are even a real US citizen. You just hide and watch. It won't be pretty. That man feels no guilt for anything; why do you think he hung out with Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, uses Pakistani roommates from college to do his fundraising from unknown sources overseas, came up with so much money to spend so much time in Muslim countries during his college years when he proclaims to have been broke. Too many questions that everyone refuses to demand an answer to.
At least McCain owns up to his past, unlike Obama. To hear him tell it, he's perfect in every way.
I agree with you to a point
however, there are laws against murder and to me...abortion is murder. I cannot stand by someone who would allow something like that to be considered okay by society. Yes, people have free will and they will have to live with that decision. However, if society is more willing to accept things like that it just seems like morals drop in society. What was once considered bad is no big deal. I feel that is the path that are country has started in and I don't like it.
I still don't understand why abortion isn't murder but a person who does something to a pregnant mother that causes her unborn child to die is considered murder and is punishable. A pregnant mother is killed and so is her unborn child and that is double homocide. The only difference is one fetus wasn't wanted by its parents and the other was. Other than that.....it is still murder in my eyes.
Here is my standing on this. I do not have a problem with the morning after pill. I think that is a great emergency contraceptive if a condom should fail or a rape should happen and no protection was used, etc. Do I want abortion to be totally illegal.....yes but the problem with that is you will still have illegal ones going on ending up in seriously hurt people because they may not be done properly, etc. If abortion is going to lbe egal, I think there should be guidelines. You only have such and such time to abort before it is considered murder. If you abort after that time frame, you can face charges of murder as well as any doctor who willingly performs the abortion knowing it is too late time frame wise.
I have no problem if the mother's life is in danger. That is it....in danger. I think that if an abortion fails, that infant has a right to live and should be protected. No late term abortions because that is murder. To have Obama want to legalize abortion with no guidelines....just go and abort because no one wants a baby as a punishment.....that is SO wrong and to allow that in our society is ridiculous.
In my opinion it will just cause more people to be even less cautious about their sexual practices and use abortion more as birth control and that isn't right. If more people are less worried about having a baby because abortions are so easy to get, etc.....I think it will cause a rise in STDs as well. JMO.
I agree with you to a point but
why did it have to come to a vote to begin with? Who decided it would come up for a vote? If it was the gay community to begin with, then they should honor the outcome, don't you think?
I saw Frasier's (can't think of his name right now) "brother" on The View yesterday and he's happy that his marriage will stay intact. I'm sure many others are also happy about it, too.
As for those that didn't jump on the bandwagon right away, well, what can I say? They missed the boat.
And Bill Clinton let 800,000 people die in Rwanda. So what's your point? sm
You bleeding heart liberals make me sick.
Then I agree wholeheartedly with your point...
I would like to see it also. I would like to see the declassified document from the CIA where Joe Wilson (Valerie Plame's husband) supposedly corroborates Bush's speech about Saddam trying to buy yellowcake from Niger. I am sure that is something the Democrats would rather not make public knowledge. I would also like to know what they think they have as proof on Bush. Not guess, not innuendo, but hard proof that he lied. And I think if they had that, they would go forward. There are just too many questions that would be raised that Congress themselves would have a hard time answering...and I don't think they want to open Pandora's box. That is why I think it is political posturing because they viscerally hate the man (the Dems). And I have NEVER understood the degree that goes to. All that being said...I agree. They should make it all public, every last bit. I just wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
I agree with the point that the children's
private lives should be left out of it, but as to being on stage, that is just showing family support for their parents. Two entirely different things.
I agree, gourdpainter, to a point....
but one thing I DO know...Obama and a majority democrat congress mean socialism. There are no two ways about it. And I DON'T want socialism for America. So I would not vote for Obama, and if I vote for a third party and NOT McCain, that is a vote for Obama. I will NOT be a party to putting that man in the White House. No way, no how.
I am a registered Independent. I have not been a party faithful for several years. But I am concerned enough about Obama and his agenda that I am voting a straight Republican ticket for the FIRST time in my life. THAT is how much I DO NOT want him and his agenda for this country.
I agree with McCain on some things "he says." If he does them, fine. If he doesn't, we still don't get socialism. If McCain just gets elected and the status quo remains, we don't get socialism.
I don't want socialism. I don't know how much more clear I need to be about it.
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I totally agree to a certain point
I believe we need stricter guides on the food that is being sold in our stores, however, I do not agree that our rights as citizens should be taken away to be able to grow our own vegetables in our own garden on our property. I think the people who go to farmers market and buy organic prefer that, and they should not have that right taken away from him. My understanding is that the company she is referring to as genetically altering the seeds so that the fruit it bears has no seeds, thus you have to continually buy more from them, and I understand this company is also trying to shut down all other seed companies. I may be wrong and I would have to do a bit more research.
But I agree our supermarkets need scrutiny on what food it sells in the store (where it's coming from), but I don't like anyone taking away my right to be able to grow my own tomatoes or squash or other veggies I want to in my own yard.
My point of view was stated quite clearly. People on the left may be blinded....
Kind of sad, actually.
My point of view was stated quite clearly. People on the left may be blinded....
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good point.....this one bans if you don't agree with them....or maybe this has stopped since the
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I don't agree with this. I think the people sm
who do not want to say the pledge should be allowed to be silent or leave the room during while it is recited. Don't stop everyone.
JMHO.
I agree with that! If more people would do that...
maybe in unison could hold feet to fire. :)
I agree. If two people....sm
want to make that commitment to each other, it's none of my business either.
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