African-American population
Posted By: Reality Check on 2005-09-15
In Reply to: Actually, the black middle class is the fasted growing population, but - does the media hype that? NO! nm
It's a good thing if the black population is ever growing into the middle class. It means that that demographic is benefiting from workfare and the changes in welfare that kept the culture dependent soley on the government for many years. The most striking thing about New Orleans is that it is one of the most welfare ridden cities left in the country, and that is why so many people there were in such a poverty state. The able people haven't been made to start providing for and/or bettering themselves. New Orleans is an example of what happens in a nanny state. It's not that the government was not involved. It was involved too much. It's glaringly obvious.
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Is O really African-American?
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/09/rush-limbaugh-obama-really-isnt-african-american/
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1584736,00.html
Is O really African American?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1584736,00.html
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/09/rush-limbaugh-obama-really-isnt-african-american/
More added uncertainty as to who he really, really is. At least with McCain, there is none of this distrust. I do not have to worry that McCain is hanging around terrorists, where he was born and if he is a true US citizen, if he was raised and taught by a pastor for 20 years to learn hate, and could go on and on. What you see is what you get with McCain. None of this junk of trying to prove who he is.
As for O, there is no trust for me. He seems deceitful. He gets mad when newspapers go against him and then kicks them off the plane and so on. Even Clintons have said Obama needs A LOT OF ADVISORS if he wins this election. This is not an election, but an eerie movement. Even had to arrest skin heads because of a plot to assassain the O, already. Freaks me out. Just not right for this country or should I now say for this WORLD as the O wants to change it. He does not know anything about foreign affairs to CHANGE THE WORLD. He scares me to death and I am not the only one who feels this way.
Can anyone give me reassurance about the O?
I'm African American and am VERY offended
that he would even make the comment I don't care how he tried to clean it up, or what context he used it
in.
To say that the crime rate would be reduced if you aborted all African Americans is deplorable and your defense of the comment is sickening. It doesn't matter to me if he came back and says it's morally wrong to do so, well DUHHH yeah it would be, so why is he saying this $h!t to begin with.
There is a quote below from another African American. SM
He was not offended. What is your point?
The first African-American president.
I am not for Obama but I don't wish him any harm. All I have to say is....I would be scared out of my wits to be the first African-American president. I am not saying this because I am racist. I am saying this because there are some extreme racists out there who believe the idea of this is just wrong. Just look at what happened to Martin Luther King and he wasn't even president. I know that was back when race more of an issue, but it still is to some people and I wouldn't put it past some of those freaks to stop this from happening at all costs.
Like I said.....I wish Obama no harm so please no bashing posts about how I'm a huge racist.
What is this African-American stuff? I am white,
If I am to call a black person African-American, then I should be called Irish-American, German-American, Scottish-American, Italian-American, Welch-American, French-American...the list goes on and on.
This is the very example of racism. One color people believing they should be called something different than what they are. That is ridiculous. I am not going to jump through ludicrous hoops. If anyone is that small minded and believes they have to tack on a continent before their name, they need to get a life and live in reality.
just as i hope African American's aren't voting for Obama for that reason!
NM (i suppose that means "no more"? or something) im still a bit new to the board!
Thread topic is African-American Christian endorsing McCain.
rasberries
You make a good point, but I think the real credit for African American progress..sm
is education. You can take away all of the social programs you want to, but if there is not progress in education, you still have poverty.
Yeah, well, I seem to remember Democrat saying she wasn't African-American awhile back. sm
So which is it?
I was brought up Buy American made products, keep American jobs.
Always bought American made cars and bought products from companies where my family was employed. Now look at America? We are definitely connected all around the world.
My feeling? Obama states he wants to start from the poor upward. Not the other way around like it has been for quite awhile. That to me does not necessarily mean just in America, but around the world by taking the poorest countries and working upward so America's pay wages and everything else will be so low and comparable to the poorest countries. After all, we are now connected together.
Cannot wait to see what will happen with the Swine flu this fall with the second wave and what it will do to the economy of all the countries combined at once.
Any child born to American parents is an American -
I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you - any child born to American parents is an American even if they are born overseas. The birth has to be registered with the United States, but they are still an American even if they are born in the foreign hospital.
I have 2 cousins who were born in Japan and they have no problems at all being "American".
Arab African????
Bet the African-Americans at the TEA parties
nm
Well, it keeps the population down
and lesbians don't spread HIV. Also, (see my other post) nobody leaves the toilet seat up. There's no fight over the TV remote, which is used only for selecting a channel someone actually wants to watch. Additonally (and this is a big plus in my book) there are none of them little tiny hairs that are left in the bathroom sink after a guy shaves. Nobody opens a cupboard door for a split second, closes it and yells, 'Honey, where's the ........?'
Need to get that African slavery thing correct
Native Americans and free slaves also held slaves. Only 8% of all American families in the south had slaves. I get so sick and tired of all the apologies for things most people in this country know very little about. Was slavery wrong? Absolutely! But it has gone back since the beginning of man. My ancestors, who are Irish by the way, were also brought here as slave and were beaten, starved, raped, impregnated, you name it, just like the blacks. Do you hear history and present going on and on about that, demanding they be apologized to, compensated somehow, and do they feel entitled? No they don't! They got on with it.
Out of twelve million blacks shipped to the Americas (not America) between the 16th and 19th centuries, ONLY 5.4% of those were brought to the United States. The others were taken to predominantly black countries and sold as slaves in predominantly black countries. MOST of them went to Brazil.
What about the white slaves? Too bad we're so stuck on black slavery, we forgot about them. OVER half of all white immigrants to the colonies during the 17th and 18th centuries were Irish, Scottish, English, and Germans, and they horribly mistreated and abused as well. So while you're so busy apologizing for your ancestors, you need to get your facts straight. My ancestors were slaves as well, even though they were not black, so feel sorry for them if you want to pity someone. They too had their families ripped apart and many never saw them again.
If Rev Wright wants to continue to spew his hatred towards whites, which he does, and lets make no mistake about that, Obama does indeed need to be scrutinized closely for his continued presence in that church for 20 years. I don't give a rat's butt how may seemingly wonderful programs that church had. A lot of churches have great community programs but had very vile underlying reasons for the way they want to penetrate the community.
Prejudice goes both ways...so don't waste your time thinking that you need to feel guilty for anything or worry about what Obama thinks about you. His past relationships he chose after being a young man old enough to make his own choices were his to make. And he chose to make them with dangerous people, and people in other countries that were and still are more than questionable in their reputations, some very dangerous to us and many other countries.
You spend your time doing your homework about Obama and stop thinking you owe him or anyone else anything. You/we do not. Obama has chosen his friends very carefully and for reasons that you have a right to question, only because he is running for president of YOUR country.
So, if you think he is racist against you or any white to a small or larger degree, who cares? That's his problem he will have to deal with. Some very racist people are very good at hiding their true feelings because they don't want to be discovered for what they are.
Preposterous. US...interfering in African politics?
a schoolyard bully straight out of the shrub academy.
When you want to indoctrinate a population...
you start with children and youth. Socialism 101.
US population replacing itself.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_352004.html
March 19, 2009
40% babies out-of-wedlock
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row. -- PHOTO: AFP
ATLANTA - MORE babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation's history - and a wedding ring made increasingly little difference in the matter.
The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers on Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.
Abortions down to lowest levels
Meanwhile, US abortions dropped to their lowest levels in decades, according to other reports. Some have attributed the abortion decline to better use of contraceptives, but other experts have wondered if the rise in births might indicate a failure in proper use of contraceptives. Some earlier studies have shown declining availability of abortions.
The statistics are based on a review of most 2007 birth certificates by the National Centre for Health Statistics, part of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.
... more
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.
The birth rate rose slightly for women of all ages, and births to unwed mothers reached an all-time high of about 40 per cent, continuing a trend that started years ago. More than three-quarters of these women were 20 or older.
For a variety of reasons, it's become more acceptable for women to have babies without a husband, said Duke University's S. Philip Morgan, a leading fertility researcher.
Even happy couples may be living together without getting married, experts say. And more women - especially those in their 30s and 40s - are choosing to have children despite their single status.
The new numbers suggest the second year of a baby boomlet, with US fertility rates higher in every racial group, the highest among Hispanic women. On average, a US woman has 2.1 babies in her lifetime. That's the 'magic number' required for a population to replace itself.
Countries with much lower rates - such as Japan and Italy - face future labour shortages and eroding tax bases as they fail to reproduce enough to take care of their aging elders.
While the number of births in the US reached nearly 4.3 million in 2006, mainly due to a larger population, especially a growing number of Hispanics, it's not clear the boomlet will last. Some experts think birth rates are already declining because of the economic recession that began in late 2007.
The 2007 statistical snapshot reflected a relatively good economy coupled with cultural trends that promoted childbirth, she and others noted. -- AP
US population replacing itself.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_352004.html
March 19, 2009
40% babies out-of-wedlock
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row. -- PHOTO: AFP
ATLANTA - MORE babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation's history - and a wedding ring made increasingly little difference in the matter.
The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers on Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.
Abortions down to lowest levels
Meanwhile, US abortions dropped to their lowest levels in decades, according to other reports. Some have attributed the abortion decline to better use of contraceptives, but other experts have wondered if the rise in births might indicate a failure in proper use of contraceptives. Some earlier studies have shown declining availability of abortions.
The statistics are based on a review of most 2007 birth certificates by the National Centre for Health Statistics, part of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.
... more
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.
The birth rate rose slightly for women of all ages, and births to unwed mothers reached an all-time high of about 40 per cent, continuing a trend that started years ago. More than three-quarters of these women were 20 or older.
For a variety of reasons, it's become more acceptable for women to have babies without a husband, said Duke University's S. Philip Morgan, a leading fertility researcher.
Even happy couples may be living together without getting married, experts say. And more women - especially those in their 30s and 40s - are choosing to have children despite their single status.
The new numbers suggest the second year of a baby boomlet, with US fertility rates higher in every racial group, the highest among Hispanic women. On average, a US woman has 2.1 babies in her lifetime. That's the 'magic number' required for a population to replace itself.
Countries with much lower rates - such as Japan and Italy - face future labour shortages and eroding tax bases as they fail to reproduce enough to take care of their aging elders.
While the number of births in the US reached nearly 4.3 million in 2006, mainly due to a larger population, especially a growing number of Hispanics, it's not clear the boomlet will last. Some experts think birth rates are already declining because of the economic recession that began in late 2007.
The 2007 statistical snapshot reflected a relatively good economy coupled with cultural trends that promoted childbirth, she and others noted. -- AP
US population replacing itself.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_352004.html
March 19, 2009
40% babies out-of-wedlock
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row. -- PHOTO: AFP
ATLANTA - MORE babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation's history - and a wedding ring made increasingly little difference in the matter.
The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers on Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.
Abortions down to lowest levels
Meanwhile, US abortions dropped to their lowest levels in decades, according to other reports. Some have attributed the abortion decline to better use of contraceptives, but other experts have wondered if the rise in births might indicate a failure in proper use of contraceptives. Some earlier studies have shown declining availability of abortions.
The statistics are based on a review of most 2007 birth certificates by the National Centre for Health Statistics, part of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.
... more
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.
The birth rate rose slightly for women of all ages, and births to unwed mothers reached an all-time high of about 40 per cent, continuing a trend that started years ago. More than three-quarters of these women were 20 or older.
For a variety of reasons, it's become more acceptable for women to have babies without a husband, said Duke University's S. Philip Morgan, a leading fertility researcher.
Even happy couples may be living together without getting married, experts say. And more women - especially those in their 30s and 40s - are choosing to have children despite their single status.
The new numbers suggest the second year of a baby boomlet, with US fertility rates higher in every racial group, the highest among Hispanic women. On average, a US woman has 2.1 babies in her lifetime. That's the 'magic number' required for a population to replace itself.
Countries with much lower rates - such as Japan and Italy - face future labour shortages and eroding tax bases as they fail to reproduce enough to take care of their aging elders.
While the number of births in the US reached nearly 4.3 million in 2006, mainly due to a larger population, especially a growing number of Hispanics, it's not clear the boomlet will last. Some experts think birth rates are already declining because of the economic recession that began in late 2007.
The 2007 statistical snapshot reflected a relatively good economy coupled with cultural trends that promoted childbirth, she and others noted. -- AP
US population replacing itself.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_352004.html
March 19, 2009
40% babies out-of-wedlock
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row. -- PHOTO: AFP
ATLANTA - MORE babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation's history - and a wedding ring made increasingly little difference in the matter.
The 4,317,119 births, reported by federal researchers on Wednesday, topped a record first set in 1957 at the height of the baby boom.
Abortions down to lowest levels
Meanwhile, US abortions dropped to their lowest levels in decades, according to other reports. Some have attributed the abortion decline to better use of contraceptives, but other experts have wondered if the rise in births might indicate a failure in proper use of contraceptives. Some earlier studies have shown declining availability of abortions.
The statistics are based on a review of most 2007 birth certificates by the National Centre for Health Statistics, part of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.
... more
Behind the number is both good and bad news. While it shows the US population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend, the teen birth rate was up for a second year in a row.
The birth rate rose slightly for women of all ages, and births to unwed mothers reached an all-time high of about 40 per cent, continuing a trend that started years ago. More than three-quarters of these women were 20 or older.
For a variety of reasons, it's become more acceptable for women to have babies without a husband, said Duke University's S. Philip Morgan, a leading fertility researcher.
Even happy couples may be living together without getting married, experts say. And more women - especially those in their 30s and 40s - are choosing to have children despite their single status.
The new numbers suggest the second year of a baby boomlet, with US fertility rates higher in every racial group, the highest among Hispanic women. On average, a US woman has 2.1 babies in her lifetime. That's the 'magic number' required for a population to replace itself.
Countries with much lower rates - such as Japan and Italy - face future labour shortages and eroding tax bases as they fail to reproduce enough to take care of their aging elders.
While the number of births in the US reached nearly 4.3 million in 2006, mainly due to a larger population, especially a growing number of Hispanics, it's not clear the boomlet will last. Some experts think birth rates are already declining because of the economic recession that began in late 2007.
The 2007 statistical snapshot reflected a relatively good economy coupled with cultural trends that promoted childbirth, she and others noted. -- AP
Nothing silly about population control.
BTW....we ARE animals.
State population: Same as Austin, Tx.
nm
40% of TOTAL US population (i.e., most of mid class)
Folks, this is the sum total of every SINGLE person (not family income) whose income is less than $57,490. Again, if this describes your economic class, ask yourself, does 40% of all work force (those persons who earn under this income figure) do less than 1% or more than 1% of the work. People, this is a question of fair pay for work performed. MTs battle cry. Is this okay with you?
so now abortion as population control...
lovely thought! As far as my daughter getting pregnant--there are options other than abortion. Plenty of people who want babies can't have them--or there is always the good old fashioned taking responsibility for your actions. I have one child that was a surprise and don't know what I would do without him. With my second "surprise" on the way, I am certain that I will never feel that keeping my baby was a mistake, but I am certain that I would have thought killing him was! The timing is bad, I was a little irresponsible, but babies have an uncanny way of making people happy. It seems to me that our world could use a little more of that.
No, not population control, Einstein. But in
an already overcrowded world, what sense does it make to bring an UNWANTED child into the world? Babies dont automatically make people happy when their birth is a mistake and it ruins their lives.
He's won the Islam population......whoop de doo
nm
Nope, she's right. He won that population hands down
x
He is president for the Muslim population
))
Population is comparable to Memphis, TN - hahahahahaha
80% approval rating - WHAT A JOKE!!!
Alaska is the largest state, accounting for over 15% of the entire land area of the United States. For all its size, Alaska has the lowest population density of all fifty states, with just 1.1 person per square mile.2 By comparison, South Dakota has ten times as many people per square mile.3 Alaska's entire population is comparable to the city of Memphis, Tennessee, which is the 17th largest city in the United States.
http://www.mahalo.com/Alaska_Population
The moderate Islamists, that is the general population
condemn the actions of the fundamentalists and radicals, they do not agree with them, as those backfired on them.
These wars have nothing to do with religion, they are all political wars.
After I connect those dots, I see African-Americans voting for a man based solely on his race.
Not because they agree with his politics or think he's the best man for the job, but because he's a black man period. For the record, Obama is absolutely no MLK.
This election was not about race for me either. I disagree with Obama's stand on the morality issues. I disagree with Obama on his political issues. I don't think the man has any experience running anything, and now we give him the entire country to experiement with?!?!!? He has too many shady characters in his past. He's as slick as a snake.
Watch for a lot of upheaval and racial tension throughout the nation in the next few months. My point is this, your man wins the election and instead of behaving in a dignified manner and celebrating appropriately, many will riot in the streets and act like raving lunatics. It is so unbelievably sureal.
I feel like I smack dab in the middle of one of those end of the world scenarios!
Actually, the black middle class is the fasted growing population, but
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Minorities do make up a lopsided percentage of the prison population.
But just stating that as a fact which is self-evident pays no attention whatsoever to the root causes of minority tension in our nation, nor address the fact that rich people with their various crimes tend to be well-connected enough to keep their butts out of jail, thus disproportionately skewing the prison statistics. Many more reasons can be advanced to explain the sad state of America's penal system, but none of that matters in the subject at hand.
Bennett's conclusion (as a member of the wealthy, advataged and least-likely-to-go-to-prison-for-his-crimes club) is that mass genocide would solve our crime problems.
Don't you realize how frightening that is?
Governing a very small population is different from being VP of an entire country...still no compari
sorry...baby with special needs should come first. I know if I had a special needs baby I would stop working for a while to care for that baby. The baby needs special care, it's not a baby you can just dump on just anybody.
So, you're not American?
I see the trap you're setting here...and this conversation is over.
Did you know that the American
Indian was ***bestowed*** citizenship in 1924. Until that time I guess he would be described as an illegal. Since so many Indians had died in WWI the government was publicly embarrassed and so made the indigenous people citizens of their own land.
I don't know why I put the moccasin article on the other board. I guess, being an optimist, I thought this was 1 thing we could agree on, but alas, tis not true. I might add that $21 is incredibly cheap. Handmade moccasins made the traditional way, sewn by hand with sinew and leather strips usually cost around $50 to 75$ for the most plain design. I hope some of you will do this. It would mean more than you know.
I'm with you there.....BUY AMERICAN!!
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Sure, that's the American way.
Having lost some $30,000 in the stock market, I'm not exactly thrilled with the change that brought that about. Wouldn't mind seeing some "change" there.
If you are an American
Then you should support the American president. If you do not support the American President for any reason at all, any reason at all, you are not patriotic, you do not stand for this country, you should not benefit from it, and you should leave. One America under God.
American....
I don't like Obama and that doesn't MAKE me anything one way or another, except this is not the man for the job IMO. I didn't trust him before and I certainly have absolutely no faith in him now after he has sunk this country to the tune of trillions, which my children and their children will be paying for dearly! Thanks for nothing, Obama!
I have strong feelings against both parties because they have forgotten what they were put there to do; it has turned into a free-for-all up there. They look out for their OWN interests....definitely not mine.
You are right. WE are the government and we are allowing this. Those sitting on their cushy little bums every day drawing huge paychecks think they are thing to rule us, the American people, like we need to be showed how to live, how to raise our children, how to think for Heaven sakes! I'm sick to death of it. Even seeing the posts on this board prove to me how complacent people have become and will turn a blind eye to anything.
My gut feelings told me this guy was not right to lead this country and I believe it more and more every day.
I still say Ron Paul was the only one with the right path and the only one who really showed true character and leadership for this country....not what was in it for him!!!
SHE is Un-American. We need to get rid of her.
Come on people in California, you voted for her. Please get her out ASAP.
She is coddling ILLEGAL immigrants while Americans are living in tents and lining up at soup kitchens.
She should be ostracized!!
What do you mean by REALLY AMERICAN?
Do you not understand that what you are saying here is blatant discimination?
Are YOU a REAL American?
If so, then you MUST BE AN INDIAN, one of those with the feathers on your heaad.
What are you talking about?
If you had to take the American citizenshiptest, you would flunk it!
Of course we all want the American
dream but what you fail to realize is that everything this administration is trying to do will crush the American dream. It is knocking the middle class down. Obama was already rich to begin with. It is the people who are in the middle bracket who are trying to reach that American dream and they can't now. The more money they make, the more government will take away and all these taxes that the government is talking about now.....it will hurt even you whether or not you continue to keep drinking the kool-aid or not. Wake up!!!!!
American Woman
American Woman, Dont leave, Im the one *they*, whomever (I frankly dont care..smile) tried to ban..Im the one they reported like back in grade school..oooohhhh..gonna tell the teacher..Im still here and NO ONE is gonna get rid of me or my opinions or beliefs unless they ban me and then I will move onto another political board..Dont leave, American Woman..I enjoy your posts and think you are an intelligent person who shows she cares through her posts..We need that here..heck if you leave, I probably will end up leaving, so will Lurker, Observer and all the rest and then what will become of this board..Please stay..Ya know what I do when it gets too much, I spend a half hour or so on Bill Mahers board (they are so friendly)..What you post about is the truth in America, dont deny others of reading the truth that you post..Please stay.
Hey, American Woman!!
Glad to read ya! Come back here, we all must maintain the liberal site, no matter what, ya know? I have been posting at Bill Maher's site, GCT is my *handle*. I usually go into the Current Events arena. I posted a hi to you on Bill Maher's site about one week ago. I didnt see your post, was focused on posts concerning crazy lady Barbara Bush mostly, LOL. Tell ya what, put a clothing pin on ya nose and come back here. I alternate between here and Bill Maher's site.
To American Woman
Dont ya know when I get off this board, I feel like I need a shower after dealing with the attack conservatives? It bugs the heck out of me at times..however, I enjoy reading what other democratic liberals are posting and knowing we are the future for America, the liberal people..There is no way the me-me, lock me behind a gated community, who cares about you, I got mine society will exist..It is not workable in an expanding world. So, as much as sometimes the conservatives, for some reason or another cannot stay on their own board and bug the heck out of me, I check back here every once in a while..I wish you would too. We need you here as a compassionate sane poster..I was on Bill Maher last night in Current Events, talking about jury duty, which I have to do in October..Blah!!
you mean Brunson/American
you might get challenged to a duel.
Hi American Woman!
Hi American Woman! Come on back here regularly. We have some really good liberal posters now. Yes, Im in CA. The fires are all around me but havent come to the desert yet (where I am). They have been moving towards the ocean instead (opposite direction). With a change of the wind, though, the fires could change direction, then they would come over the Sierra Nevada Mountains to get to the desert. About two years ago a fire came up over the mountains and you could see it from my house and the air was thick with smoke and soot. Was quite scary..but the firefighters were able to get it out. Yup, CA, the land of mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, torrential rains (when it does rain..smile). So good to hear from ya..Come on back here. The board isnt the same without ya. :o).
P.S. American Woman
I should have included this in my last nights post..thank you for thinking of me and praying for me and my family. You are so kind. :O)
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