Actually, I don't hate Obama....I just don't want him...
Posted By: sam on 2008-08-19
In Reply to: just doomed. - We're doomed I say....
to be President, because I think it is wrong for the country. That is the great thing about America...we can all have our opinions. You can say Obama's "former" pastor if you like. I don't think on a personal level Obama has changed his feelings toward Wright or the doctrine of his church. He went there for 20 years. The man married he and his wife and baptized both of his children. He called him mentor. He wants to get elected so he publically distanced himself. I don't say that because I hate Obama. I say that because that is my impression of his actions. Frankly, I would have thought more of him if he would just have been honest about it. But he wants the job.
Haggee is not McCain's pastor and never has been. McCain has been going to North Phoenix Baptist Church for 15 years and his pastor is neither of these men. Parsley is a friend from what I understand, but neither of these men are McCain's pastor and he did not have a relationship with them like Obama had with Wright. Haggee just came out and endorsed McCain, and when McCain heard the comments he rejected the endorsement, just like Obama rejected Wright. So I suppose they are even on that score. McCain never took "advice" from Haggee, that I can find evidence of. Haggee simply publically endorsed him.
I do have some good things to say about McCain. He is third generation military and both his sons are in the military; one is in Iraq as we speak. He is a decorated war hero. His family has a history of service to this country. I believe that is a very good thing in these dangerous times. He had some issues in his personal life as a young man, did things he is ashamed of...but so did Obama. McCain cheated on his first wife and Obama did drugs and drank as a teenager. Both have been honest about that.
I also think we as Americans need to get over the blame game. Oil companies are not responsible for the mess we are in, neither are CEOs and millionaires (of which both Obama and McCain are). Yes, there have been some crooked CEOs. But you never hear about the thousands of other CEOs in the country who are NOT crooked and people act like they don't care about those other thousands. Just lump all CEOs together and say they are corrupt. Is that really fair?
Are all millionaires really to blame? The Bill Gates Foundation gives millions every year to charitable causes. So do many other millionaires. The so-called millionaries, big boys and CEOs also pay 90% of the taxes in this country already. Don't you think that is enough? If the Democrats keep on like they are, taxing American businesses into oblivion, businesses will fail, people will lose jobs and jobs will continue to go overseas. When it gets too expensive to operate in this country because of ridiculous taxes, if a business is to survive it has no choice but to offshore. That just makes economic sense. Instead of "taxing the rich" so much and driving businesses and employment offshore, they need to incentivize them to stay here. Oh...I guess that makes too much sense.
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I would hate to see Obama win
when he hardly has any experience at all himself and has associations with terrorists. Does it not bother you people that dictators WANT Obama to be our president? Does that not concern you? A man who says there are 57 states. You keep harping on McCain being old and SP being a "hearbeat" away from the presidency but don't you think that there is a greater risk of an assassination attempt on Barrack Obama being that he would be the first African-American pres and there are some crazy bigots out there who would refuse to let that happen. What then....you want Joe Biden in office.....a man who said Roosevelt was the president at the beginning of the great depression and warned people on TV when Roosevelt wasn't the pres at the beginning of the great depression and there was no TV back then. That makes me feel all warm and cozy too.
I don't hate Obama.....sm
But in case you haven't noticed (which obviously you haven't), your boy Obama is the fear monger lately.
He's very inexperienced, and it shows day by day.
By all means, keep on counting down with the others. It will all become clearer as the days go on.
Why do you hate anyone who disagrees with Obama...
and/or supports McCain? Why IS that? Why does he inspire that kind of vitriol? I am an American, just like you, I can have an opinion...I don't attack you and call you names...I don't make up cutesy little terms like McBush...I am just an AMerican, just like you, who has every right to support the candidate of MY choice. You act as if I have no right to do that, and if I do, I am your enemy. Read your words. WHY do you react that way? Do you honestly think I am your enemy??
why are you mentioning Obama - why do you hate him so much...
you have an answer for everything, and everything you do is great. good for you. I find your lack of compassion rather disturbing. you sound so cynical. I never mentioned if I am a dem or repub, but the more I hear from repubs the more turned off I am.
anytime anyone comes on here with a differing opinion other than follow the herd blindly people like you try to bully them.
this is my last post - you may have the last word.
I don't hate Barack Obama. I just don't want...
the Unites Socialist States of America, and he does. He and I fundamentally disagree on denying medical care to infants surviving abortion. I don't trust someone who has the kinds of associations he has...I think it speaks to an agenda that I don't think is healthy for America.
That being said, if John McCain was a socialist and championed infanticide and the worst thing I could find about Obama is that he cheated on his wife umpteen years ago, I would be voting for Obama. It is not the man, it is the ISSUES, MT Pockets...the ISSUES, and what I (I cannot speak for others) want for ourselves and our country, just like you do.
I don't "love" John McCain. I do admire his service and what he went through for this country. I do believe he loves his country. I can't truthfully say I believe he same for Barack Obama. Even that is no reason to hate him; he is entitled to have his opinion of America. I don't hate him.
Obama has friends who both hate the country and
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Not coming out with hate against Obama on this board? Are you serious!?
there's hate all over this board, whether it is because he is black, whether because people believe the anti-Obama stuff, or because he is a LIBERAL, oooohhh, bad boy liberal. As for Sarah Palin, I don't hate her, I don't know her. All I know is that she is a very poor pick for VP especially for a man who is 72. She has no credentials to do the President's job. Oooo, but Obama has no experience.... Well, he has been all over the world, has met with different heads of state, has been fully vetted, has lived a life that he knows different kinds/types of people, and he is very intelligent. In all honesty, Sarah Palin does not answer one question with the intelligence that satisfies me, and she dances all around the questions she does not know how to answer. If she isn't coached, she doesn't do very well. When she is coached, that is her pat answer for the entire episode of questioning. Not very smart, not good for America, McCain did not put Country First, he put McCain First. All a political ploy, and the right fell for it hook, line and sinker.
How about the hate spewed at Obama's rallies?
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What if Obama didn't hate people like me? (sm)
I like Obama as a speaker, I think Obama is very intelligent and educated. I think Obama is very attractive. I like a lot of the ideas he has. I just cannot skirt around the issue of those he has associated with and the church he attended for 20 YEARS! I find it hard to believe he is not racist against me, a plain old white citizen. I think it doesn't matter that I have friends of all races, and that I love someone of another race. All that matters to his minister is that I am white and that makes him hate me, and if Obama didn't also hate me, and those like me, then why did he continue to attend that church and listen to the acid spewing from his minister's mouth for 20 years?  While I think it is horrible that our ancestors forced African's into slavery and treated them horribly, I didn't do it! I would never do it! I love everyone! Why do I have to be a victim of prejudice now, just because I am white? Why can't prejudice not exist either way?
I dont hate Obama, but he seems like a phony.
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Obama Haters will hate this post.
Remember Rush I-hope-he-fails Limbaugh?
All they want is fodder to support their ridiculous claims. They don't want to hear that he is actually succeeding better than expected.
That would explain why you slam Obama, hate Clinton
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People sucking lemons hate Obama.
Guess what...reality has already hit. Barack Obama was elected President of the United States, and he has already begun to undo some of the damage done by Georgie Porgie.
I hear there is a sale on lemons and sour grapes that you might be interested in!
And I gather that's what you're hoping to happen because you hate Obama.
English not so good. Sad for you. So much hate. Life too short hate.
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Oh I see....you hate small town folks, you hate Christians...
and you hate the military...you are also coming into real clear view.
Sheesh, you not only hate Bush, you hate PEOPLE!
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I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
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They don't hate us because we are free, they hate us because...
We need to stop imposing the way we live on them. They don't hate us because of our freedom. That is absurd. When have you ever heard them say we hate you because you are free? Never. What they have been saying is "Don't tell us how we should live". "Don't tell us we need to have the same type of government that America has", and they also say "We don't need the Americans designing our own countries flag" and that is why they hate us. They are their own country. It is not right for us to go in and say you need to live the way we do, your government needs to be run the way ours is. How would we like it if they came and said "Were invading America and your going to conform to the way we live because "its' the right way" or "god has told me this is the way it's suppose to be". No, we wouldn't like it one bit. Every country lives differently. We need to stop dictating how other countries should live.
Hate mongers hate everything.
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So you not only hate gays, you also hate
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you are the one with hate
It is you and the other republicans who post here that are filled with hatred. My gosh, almost every one of your posts has the word hate in it.
Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate. nm
Hate. nm
Hate? I don't hate anyone....
least of all some anonymous poster on a board. I would not waste the energy, and hating anyone is a waste of energy. I don't hate liberals. Yes, it is dissent...it is dissenting opinion. You know, like the Supreme Court judges do when they don't agree? They give dissenting opinions. There is much more opinion on these boards than fact. As far as hate....your leaders in Congress have a good healthy hatred and want of revenge...or they would not put terrorism on the back burner to investigating Bush. That is hatred of the man and desire for revenge that is quite blatantly obvious, and certainly is not in the best interests of the country. I believe that Ms. Pelosi needs to remember that people in glass houses should not throw stones. I don't expect an answer because you already told me you were not going to read this...
There just seems to be a lot of hate for her
I will vote dem no matter what
Why do you hate
Reading these posts I am trying to understand why Gov. Palin is hated so much. I'd like to know facts (not rumors or lies). Can you provide me with answers as to why. I just don't understand it.
The conversative republicans on this board are not coming out with hate towards Obama/Biden, and I really don't see much hate towards McCain, but the actual hate is seeping out and infiltrating all of your thoughts with Gov. Palin and I cannot understand why. I've seen her interviewed. She doesn't seem too bad. She's knowledgeable about the issues and answers questions with confidence. I've also seen Obama, Biden and McCain interviewed too and I just don't understand what it is towards Gov. Palin but not the others.
Please provide facts too. Everything I am reading on this board are rumors and lies, so if you could just tell me. Even if you say you don't like her because she's pretty, or she decided to have a baby instead of aborting him, etc I don't mind answers like that because they will be truthful, but please don't tell me you hate her because of something manufacted, or for something she is not personally involved in.
Just trying to understand.
why is it hate
When we want her to speak out and show who she is? I don't hate her. I do think there were several more qualified women that could have been picked for the Rep VP slot. I think it is a slap in the face to the more educated, capable women that they picked a pretty little thing from Alaska that barely graduated college with a degree in Journalism.
Ms. Rice is 100 times more qualified to be VP, why not pick her?
I don't hate anyone!
All I am saying is that I have a better understanding of why you have such strong feelings about politics, based on what you have told us about yourself. My life is polar opposite of yours, which affects my feelings about politics.
I do not hate small town folks, Christians, the military, or anyone else. It just that we come from different worlds, and I understand now why we see things so differently.
Right, you don't hate nobody, you hate
agree with you.
What does this say.......hot hate?
Although nowhere does the Qur’an say that Allah loves those who don’t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10)
As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah’s angels on his command:
“O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded.” (66:6)
Hate to say it
I think there are a few bone fide nut jobs on this post that got a whole lot of people sucked into their delusions. Fooled me twice. Later!
That's a lot of hate! nm
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I don't hate you......... sm
I just don't like your lifestyle and that gay people are insisting upon calling a union between people of the same sex a marriage. In my opinion, and apparently in the opinion of a vast number of Americans, it devalues the institution of marriage between men and women. If you want to live together, fine. Just don't tell me that I must consider your situation a marriage and don't change our countries laws to recognize it as a marriage.
Hate to say it, but I don't think it's
going to happen (talking about issues). There are too many new ones on here now and all they want to do is name calling, pick fights, and won't try to find the truth and, sadly, it's also the way of the country nowadays. I have been appalled at the reaction lately and even ones who have been on here a long time and always posted decently are turning into the negative posters, too.
Unless the posters start following the rules of this board, I doubt it will ever change.
you are right - they hate each other! nm
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Hate to tell ya, but...(sm)
Penn and Maine are blue states according to the 2008 election. Those 3 senators are doing what they were elected to do -- that being representing their people.
I hate it when that happens...lol (nm)
I hate to say this
but the more pub bashing there is, the less I want to even consider what dems have to say.
Dems keep saying they expect us to work with them (pretty much agree with what they want to do, nevermind how we feel about it) yet then they want to constantly trash talk us and make fun of us. I'm not saying that pubs don't do the same to dems, but if the majority wants the minority to participate, maybe they should chill out on the "party of NO and hip hop party" lingo.
Just sayin :)
Well, I hate to tell you this
but these hicks that you talk about using food stamps to buy food are the same people who will benefit from Obama's presidency. It won't be hard working individuals like ourselves. This type of irresponsible behavior will be rewarded by government assistant programs at the expense of the working Americans who pay for them and who is pushing for more government programs.....why I do believe it is Barrack Obama....is it not?
As for Sarah Palin, she has done very well running Alaska and has worked her way up from the bottom to the top in her state. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth. If Sarah Palin was as ugly as Hillary Clinton is and was pro-choice, you all would be drooling over her. But because she is an attractive woman who is conservative, you ladies would rather say she has no brains because she is pretty.
How smart are we? Our country elects a man who has no experience whatsoever and when it comes to writing bills, he hands the everything over to Pelosi.
Please continue to tell me how stupid Palin is when Obama runs our country into the ground because I'm sure that will make sense to everything ignorant Obama is doing right now.
I don't hate anyone. There is a sm
difference between "tolerance" and standing up for the truth. This belongs on the faith board but I guess I will post anyway. There is a difference between "religion" and "salvation" and all Obama has (by the fruit he bears) is religion! There is one way to heaven and that is through and by the blood of Jesus Christ.
I don't know where the denying health care benefits and denying SS to anyone comments came from. Obama is a Muslim. He has even slipped up in an interview and admitted it.
Because I would like to see you in heaven, the truth is there is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ.
I hate to tell you this
but taking control away from the taliban and giving it back to the country the taliban is trying to take over is about our freedom. The more control the taliban gets, the more power they get and the more ability they have to attack us on our own soil.
As for why we are still there....I do believe it was Obama who extended the timeline for the troops in Iraq while sending troops into Afghan. So it appears that Obama's pulling out of the troops and running back home plan didn't work out so well when he actually got into the White House and saw what was really going on.
As for the "torture" accusations, I hate to break it to ya but terrorists and pirates do not fall under protection of the Geneva Convention. We broke no law as they are terrorists and I would rather "torture" a terrorist to try and save American lives. We will never know the full story on this until all the information is released.
As for Pelosi, she is so high and mighty. If you are going to stand there and point the blame on everyone else but yourself when others claimed that you knew and did nothing.....well.....of course Pelosi is now under fire and she should be. If she truly knew about it....she is just as guilty for allowing it and not saying a word and then lying about it to make her look all pure and innocent.
However, I still say this whole thing shouldn't have happened. Those original memos should not have been released to begin with and that was something the liberal loons wanted so they could start their witch hunts on the Bush administration. If Obama really wanted to move forward he would have just said what is in the past is in the past. We can't change what happened but we move forward and will not do so again. Instead we are belittling our CIA and our troops and putting ourselves in danger while giving terrorists more power to recruit more psychotic people to their cause.
Wow....such hate.
Patty, I would seriously suggest that you take a good look in the mirror. I think perhaps it would be a good lesson for you to actually sit down after a day or so and write down the sins that you yourself have committed. You can't separate the sin from the person and yet you said yourself that we are all sinners. Don't we as Christians call ourselves sinners. Don't we pray and admit to God that we are sinners and ask for his forgiveness? That is the title that we go by. Granted, we are supposed to strive to be better but we still sin every day. If what you say is true that you cannot separate the sin from a person when they go by that title and this is according to God........what makes you think God listens to you when you admit you are a sinner and ask for forgiveness. Doesn't make sense does it. Anyone with a brain would see that!
Um, hate to tell ya, but YOU don't own it,
Somebody has one MAJOR bee up their butt.
Wow, could you squeeze a little more hate
into that post. What I'm saying is don't try to tone down your posts. Tell us how black your heart, well, I mean what your true feelings are.
If there's one thing I hate. sm
it's a person who constantly calls people a liar. That is so out of place in this milieu. You have no right to do that. What, because someone doesn't agree with YOU or has a set of facts different from YOU, they are a liar. One thing I can say about the C board, I never saw one of them call anyone a liar. You have the market all cornered on that. You should just be so proud.
hate bush? Nah
Actually, LOL, I hate no one, however, with your never ending posts with hate posted all through them prove to me you hate quite a bit. I have never read so many posts by one person with the word hate in them. Hate is a negative energy. I would be happy if I never saw Bushs face again..just go back to Crawford make believe cowboy..Now if you want real hate, your idol, Coulter, she has hate running through her veins. Bush, he is just a festering pimple in the scheme of things..He is a detriment to America and the world..has made us the laughingstock of the world, has painted a target on each of our backs for decades to come, has practically bankrupt the federal budget..The guy should never have been president but when you are in the pockets of oil giants, corporate kings, buddies with Rove, anything can happen and unfortunately it did. Well, better times and a better America are around the corner, once a democrat gets back into office and cleans up Bushs mess.
Those obsessed with hate see little else.
And it's unfortunate, because even up until 9/11 Americans were virtually indivisible when it came to responding to tragedy and united in their compassion for the afflicted.
I for one have a lot of faith in Americans still - I know they have come and are coming to the aid of the Gulf Coast victims. I also think they have a right to question WHERE exactly our billions of dollars for Homeland Security went, when clearly nobody in authority was prepared for disaster even with two days' advance warning. What's up with that, we want to know - and we want answers.
To trivialize such an important issue by saying ooh you poopy haters is simply to make a mockery out of the concern nearly all Americans feel about what's happening now and what's going to happen when the next disaster comes to their own door.
I hate to see you go and I wish you could just ignore, or even...sm
wear your feelings on your sleeve and brush them off everyday. One thing I learned a long time ago on this board is that we can not change the conservatives and they are not going to change us, so I think the separate boards is a good thing, so I do try to stay off their board but sometimes it is tempting to respond to them when they are bashing us over there.
But, in politics there are going to be trolls, there are going to be people who don't want to do anything but argue and incite, so just stand your ground and figure out which ones are here to debate (in rare form) and don't take the other ones serious at all.
Consumed by hate? Me? No way.
I'm consumed by lots of other things, though.
I am consumed by fear, though, over America's future, watching Supreme Court justices chosen because of religious beliefs and worshipping Bush like a god, instead of merit and qualifications, fearful that what begins with overturning Roe might end with the Supremes outlawing living wills, stem cell research, and other privacy rights to which every American citizen is entitled.
I am consumed by anger that an American president would use fear and lies to the entire world in order to wage a war that he most likely had planned before he was even elected president.
I'm consumed by frustration that after 9/11, we don't have a leader who cares enough about the safety of Americans to secure our borders, KNOWING that it's easy access for foreign terrorists to enter this country, and actually causing two states to declare states of emergency for that reason.
I'm consumed by disappointment that our top leaders have no ethics or fondness for the truth, that two (at least) high-ranking White House officials would disclose the identity of a CIA agent working on WMD, placing many lives in danger by such disclosure -- simply because her husband told the truth about the president's lies.
I'm consumed by compassion as I witness the lower-middle class sinking even lower, closer to the poverty level by virtue of the luxury commodity that gasoline/home heating oil have become in America and worry about all the old people and children who will forget what it feels like to be safe and toasty warm in the winter, assuming they can stay healthy and survive the cold days and nights they will be forced to suffer.
I'm consumed by a sense of betrayal as I watch the promise of religious freedom in America vanish before my eyes, replaced by a theocracy catering to one religious group, rendering all other religions unequal and substandard.
Yes, I'm consumed by lots of things. Hatred isn't one of them. I don't hate anyone or anything. Sadly, you and those of your ilk have cornered the market on that emotion, and I will pray for you, even if you do despise my particular God.
You need to take your hate goggles off
and read the entire thread before spouting your baseless accusations. I've struggled and am not rich monetarily. It's not my goal in life. I'm rich in other things, and with that I'm content. There are times I probably would have qualified for goverment help but I wouldn't take it. My needs got met, because I called on a higher welfare source and that's God. I in no way diminish the plight of others, and I don't think lower of others who do to get a leg up. I give to my church and other charities, and for you to accuse me of thinking or caring for others is not only pompus but a completely untrue accusation.
You said below that you don't take time off from *correcting* others, but you seriously need to take some time off and cool your jets, because you come off looking really hostile and mean.
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