Absolutely we do......to protect ourselves from those
Posted By: sm on 2008-10-23
In Reply to: we need our guns - nm
who don't work, who steal, kill, and can't wait to get my free money handouts from the government that will steal even MORE from me.
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Why would they want to protect him.
He admitted his guilt. Once you admit guilt, you have no rights as you are guilty.
Protect all holes when
Bill has a cigar in hand!!!
FIRE ON THE HOLE!!!
Laws protect more than that...
You don't have to be a citizen in the United States to be protected from being murdered. You just have to be human and alive, both of which can also be said of UNBORN CHILDREN. Or are we to believe that a tourist, or a person who is NOT a natural born citizen of the United States, is NOT protected from being murdered? Can I just go out and kill anybody I want to just because they aren't citizens? Ahhh, no. I don't think so.
And the whole "mind your own business" argument doesn't hold water. A human life is taken during an abortion, the same as when it is taken during a murder. Are we all to just "mind our own business" and "just don't kill anybody?" No, it doesn't work that way. Just because you don't choose to kill someone, or have an abortion, doesn't mean we can just "live and let live" - particularly since people who commit abortions and murders DON'T let their victim live...at all.
These are exactly the types of arguments/mantra that have been spewed from the mouths of people who TRY to make us believe this is a women's issue to help us make a choice about "our bodies." If it was only my body, I would agree. But it is not my body that is being killed. It is my child. Men, women, children, citizen or not - no one has the right to take a human life.
or use them to protect the food I have.
just a thought.
Oh, poor thing.....they need you to protect them
!!
but there was already a law in place to protect the babies -
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I haven't, but my husband did to protect us both
We were younger and had went out to a party. A guy was drinking and mixing it with pills. He was totally out of it. He tried to pick a fight with my husband, saying he was big and bad enough to whip the biggest guy there. My husband was 6 foot 6 inches and about 225. Anyway, my husband wasn't going to fight with him, and we left and came home. We live in a rural area. About 1/2 hour later the guy is standing out in front of our house, near the road, screaming for my husband to come out and fight or he's going to start shooting! The next sound we hear is a shotgun racking and then he fires a shotgun blast off into the air. OMG!! I was terrified. My husband shoved me off the couch and into the floor. Then he crawled across the floor and pulled the cord on the lamp and turned off the TV, so it was dark in the house. I had no idea what else he was doing. I was lying on the living room flooor and had dialed 911 and was screaming for help. Next thing I know, the guy out front fires another shot and it hits the picture window and the window shatters!
What I didn't know was my husband had went through the house, grabbed his gun out of the closet, and went out the back door. He shot back, shooting into the air at a pear tree that guy was standing under. It was late August and when he hit that pear tree, it rained down pears on the guy outside! He fired one more over the guy's head as a warning and then lowered the barrel of the gun towards the guy. The guy decided my husband was serious and ran to his truck and took off. Luckily the police caught him about 2 miles down the road. I had given them a description of his pickup and he passed them as they were on their way to our house.
They came to the house and talked to us. They saw the shattered window and the shots were heard on the 911 tape along with my frantic call for help. They told my husband they didn't blame him, they would have done the same thing, he was defending his home and family. The guy was convicted and went to jail. What the guy at the party didn't know was my husband was an ex-Marine trained for combat and had marksmanship medals from Marine competition. He picked the wrong guy to try to scare with a gun! But it was scarey. I was scared to death. It was the most terrifying thing that has ever happened to me. I couldn't sleep for weeks afterwards and was a nervous wreck. I don't wish anything like that on anybody!
I don't feel like he won't protect the country.
He has just as much to lose as anyone else. Why wouldn't he protect the country.
You don't have to be a trigger-happy cowboy going around putting out fires to show your love and protection for your country. Sometimes you can actually have enough foresight, make proper choices, use good judgement and prevent fires from happening in the first place.
He'll do fine. stop worrying.
you wanna go there? Define protect
We arbitrarily attacked a country that had no solid links to the attack. That has been proven. To say it was not known then is not an arguable point because it was not known then, so again, we attacked a country without probable cause.
Since our current President has been in power, no attacks have occurred. The only attack on US soil since WW II (by a known attacker, the Japanese) has been under the power of George W. Bush, and according to you, he would be the least strongest president in the present day.
To 'protect' does not translate into an aggressive attack, especially if the attacker is not a known entity.
It's a gag order to protect the dolt
He started calling the media and proudly proclaiming his guilt, that he knew what he did, that it was part of an Islamic revenge for our presence in the middle east, ad nauseum. I can't remember if it was the DA or the judge, but they quickly threw a gag order on everything because his shooting off his mouth would likely have led to a mistrial because of the inability to find a jury that hadn't been tainted by his pretrial blathering.
Trying to PROTECT us. Dont worry, we wont
nm
Protect us???? He did not listen to all the Intelligence Reports....sm
that a large-scale attack was imminent, his Daddy lit the flame by going over to Iraq the first time to secure Daddy Bush's and his friend's oil interests there, they did not care a FIG about the poor Kuwaitis! We are more hated as a nation now, because of the Bush policies, than we have EVER been in history, and instead if his getting Bin Ladin, as he vowed, he helped the Bin Ladin family living in LA to escape the country becaue of the wrath of the people. Speaking of Kool-Aid? Blind pubs must have bought the factory and have been living on the stuff the past 8 years, unbelievable!
Halliburton Didn't Protect Soldiers' Water
(I wonder what else they won't protect if/when they're put in charge after the Dubai deal goes through. And I believe Bush will find a way to push it through right under Americans' noses, since I believe his loyalty lies clearly with rich Arabs and not with the safety of Americans.)
Updated:2006-03-16 07:52:03
Halliburton Didn't Protect Soldiers' Water
Internal Memo Warns of 'Mass Sickness or Death'
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WASHINGTON (March 16) - Halliburton Co. failed to protect the water supply it is paid to purify for U.S. soldiers throughout Iraq, in one instance missing contamination that could have caused mass sickness or death, an internal company report concluded.
The report, obtained by The Associated Press, said the company failed to assemble and use its own water purification equipment, allowing contaminated water directly from the Euphrates River to be used for washing and laundry at Camp Ar Ramadi in Ramadi, Iraq.
The problems discovered last year at that site - poor training, miscommunication and lax record keeping - occurred at Halliburton's other operations throughout Iraq, the report said.
Countrywide, all camps suffer to some extent from all or some of the deficiencies noted, Wil Granger, Theatre Water Quality Manager in the war zone for Halliburton's KBR subsidiary, wrote in his May 2005 report.
AP reported earlier this year allegations from whistleblowers about the Camp Ar Ramadi incident, but Halliburton never made public Granger's internal report alleging wider problems.
The water quality expert warned Halliburton the problems will have to be dealt with at a very elevated level of management to protect health and safety of U.S. personnel.
Halliburton said Wednesday it conducted a second review last year that found no evidence of any illnesses in Iraq from water and it believes some of its earlier conclusions were incomplete and inaccurate. The company declined to release the second report.
The company said it has worked closely with the Army to develop standards and take action to ensure that the water provided in Iraq is safe and of the highest quality possible.
Halliburton was headed by Vice President Dick Cheney for several years before he ran for vice president. Its KBR subsidiary, also known as Kellogg Brown & Root, works under contract to provide a number of services to the U.S. military in Iraq, including providing water and purifying it.
The contaminated, non-chlorinated water at Ar Ramadi was discovered in March 2005 in a commode by Ben Carter, a KBR water expert at the base. In an interview, Carter said he resigned after KBR barred him from notifying the military and senior company officials about the untreated water.
A supervisor at Ar Ramadi told me to stop e-mailing company officials outside the base and warned that informing the military was none of my concern, Carter said. He said he threatened to sue if company officials didn't let him be examined to determine whether he suffered medical problems from exposure to the contaminated water.
Granger's report cited several countrywide problems:
A lack of training for key personnel. Theatre wide there is no formalized training for anyone at any level in concerns to water operations.
Confusion between KBR and military officials over their respective roles. For instance, each assumed the other would chlorinate the water at Ar Ramadi for any uses that would require the treatment.
Inadequate or nonexistent records that could have caught problems in advance. Little or no documentation was kept on water inventories, safety stand-downs, audits of water quality, deliveries, inspections and logs showing alterations or modifications to water systems.
Relying on employees the company identified as semiskilled labor, and paid as unskilled workers in the pay structure.
The report said the event at Ar Ramadi could have been prevented if KBR's Reverse Osmosis Units on the site had been assembled, instead of relying on the military's water production facilities.
This event should be considered a 'near miss' as the consequences of these actions could have been very severe resulting in mass sickness or death, Granger wrote.
The report said that KBR officials at Ar Ramadi tried to keep the contamination from senior company officials.
The event that was submitted in a report to local camp management should have been classified as a recordable occurrence and communicated to senior management in a timely manner, Granger wrote. The primary awareness to this event came through threat of domestic litigation.
Beginning last May, Halliburton said it began using its equipment to remove contaminants, bacteria, and viruses in Ar Ramadi, and disinfect the water with chlorine. The company said KBR has worked closely with the Army to develop safe water standards.
It said its subsequent review in August-September 2005 found nonpotable water used for washing was effectively filtered to remove at least 99 percent of the parasite giardia and 90 percent of viruses. The Ar Ramadi water also tested negative for bacteria, Halliburton added.
At least he won't select the Arab emirates to protect our ports
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of course he lied - but no one died - he had a young daughter to protect...
All men would lie - when, in fact, it was nobody's freakin' business........that was Hillary's problem
Absolutely.....
They will keep us over there until they get all the booty they went there for. Not FREEDOM. Was never about FREEDOM! Give me a break! Where is OUR FREEDOM to get the h*** out of there! Our freedoms are being pushed to the brink. Have a buddy who was over there. The people "reconstructing" Iraq are making THOUSANDS of dollars a week! Being paid by our gov't. Do you think they want to come home to a few hundred a week? Think NOT. Nice, huh? What a full scale MESS!
You are absolutely right
I agree with you, no more answering the nutcases from the republican board, LOL. Not worth it..cant change a preprogrammed brainwashed stone into a feeling, caring human being.
You are absolutely right.
There IS no debate here. Just the irrational illogical mindless the sky is falling mentality of the far left. I am new to these boards, but I have seen enough.
ABSOLUTELY!!! sm
And this goes back further to when Clinton was still in office. He was fair game then too, on MTstars.
I'd never heard of Clinton being a rapist/serial sexual harasser (sp), until I read it on the conservative board earlier this year.
Yes, you are absolutely right
I got conned into jousting with this creature!! Best to ignore!!! Obviously they are not posting and playing with a full deck. Pity is probably more appropriate!!!
Absolutely not...
Justify and argue history and the politics of war all you want. This is just your way of clouding an issue that is here and now.
I do not believe there was sufficient evidence for us to invade the country. It has been proven that the directive was to FIND a link between Hussain and Bin Laden after 911 to justify invading the country to look for AL Qaeda and no link was ever found. If they were hiding there and it was discovered AFTER the fact, well a bonus for Bush because the intelligence said otherwise.
The first line of failure was that they did not plan any policies for Iraq past the initial 60 to 90 day overthrow of Hussain. The second failure was that when it started to descend into chaos, he appointed the wrong people to take charge of it. He appointed Bremer, a man with no foreign policy experience, no middle east experience, no military experience, spoke no Arabic, and single handedly destroyed the country. The death of Sergio Viera DE Mello and the bombing of the UN building was a direct result of Bremer.
I don't care that he is not the first one to do it, and he won't be the last, and I certainly do not care that he is a Republican. I would be just as disgusted and angry if it had been a Democratic president. I hold him accountable for THIS one. He gave the order, he ignored the intelligence given to him, and then he walked away from it like soiled laundry.
Now when things are quite possibly at its worse and more money is needed to fund this nightmare, if Congress turns it down, he is going to lay blame for his failure at Congress's feet.
I do not think we should be held accountable for a mistake made by an egomaniac who continued on a disastrous course when the people who knew it best and were the closest to it were telling him the opposite.
Absolutely not
He is certainly not responsible for the statements of his minister and it doesn't change my opinion of him in anyway.
That said, he is not my first choice, but if it is between him and McCain, I will vote for Obama.
You are absolutely right - sm
There have been women of power raising children and have done a fabulous job at both.
However, this seems to be a rather unique situation simply because we are talking about the position of Vice President. It has to be a grueling job, whether you are constantly in the public arena or not.
Then there is the 16-year-old daughter. My sympathies are completely with that poor girl.
The teen years are traumatic enough without this garbage.
I think the responsible thing to do as a parent would be to concentrate on my kids and put them first. The very first seed of rumor should have been quashed immediately for the emotional safety of the daughter and step aside from the running.
Shame on Sarah Palin for even accidentally exposing her daughter to such a public scrutiny.
The kids come first. Rumor or not, she needs to step back and do damage control within her family and make sure her daughter doesn't suffer from this anymore than she already has.
Absolutely! And what's more is
he has intelligence. Imagine that! A president who is smart and thoughtful and will keep the Constitution! What a concept!
Absolutely
Arnold has embarrassed us with his green crap, which is yet another way to tax us (those idiots actually don't know this). He was always RINO Extraordinaire, anyway. Actually, he never was even an R. He faked it like Bloomberg.
Absolutely.
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if he is absolutely
certain he knows how to catch BinLaden and he puts country first it behooves him to tell anyone who will listen!!!!!
Absolutely none! It's not my job to
tell you what to think or think through YOUR decisions!!! THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! That's what makes AMERICA a FREE country, so far anyway. Do you actually believe that any statesmen of the congress would endorse Obama if he is in actuality as the rightwingers portray him? Get serious! No self-respecting congressman would go out on a limb for that type of person. Seriously. It's not up to me to make your decisions for you, just use your God-given common sense.
I think you are absolutely right
I think it will be all over after the first debate. Obama's poll numbers creeping up, but after debate, will skyrocket.
I think they are both absolutely
ridiculous notions and have better things to do with my time than come up with constant arguments to prove my opinion is the right one.
Absolutely not
Didn't you read my post about my Senator and Representative? They both voted for it and they are just as pork hungry as the rest of Congress! I'm not laying it at the feet of the Republicans, the oposing Democrats as well as the Republicans could have held their ground.
You are absolutely right! (sm)
I should not have posted anything about myself, beliefs or opinions. I should have checked all messages from you first to make sure that I would agree with you so as not to expose your narrow-minded views to anything other than just that.
I shall now be known as *Just the big bad*
Absolutely
I've all but stopped looking at this board. It's so shrill at this point, such liberties taken with racial & religious prejudice in the name of nationalism, it makes me sick. Every time I poke my head up & see what the last few posts have been, there are more & more exclamation points. The anti-Obama faction is whipping itself into such a frenzy, producing blogs as evidence of whatever the current paranoia is, that this board has long since stopped being anything like intelligent discourse.
Absolutely.
Absolutely. I just have such a strong belief in respect for one another. We need to think about what our chidren/grandchildren are witnessing us and others do and say each day. I don't care if the president is white, black, Indian, Asian, or otherwise...if he can just do his best for the country and, I know this is a long shot but, this not turn into a black/white issue. He's just a person. What does his skin color have to do with anything? We are all just people.
absolutely...
I merely stated that it does affect her paycheck. I disagree with gay marriage for other reasons, as well, but it is not just a ceremony, as she seemed to imply. Nobody proposed a law against ceremonies. They can feel free to do whatever they want as far as wearing dresses and such. The law is against the marriage in the eyes of the law.
Absolutely not s/m
However, in the end we'll have a version of theocracy that we sure won't like. Hide in the bushes and watch.
Absolutely s/m
I believe eventually Iraq/Iran/Afghanastan will attack Israel. I hope we come down on the side of Israel but I fear we won't.
I believe you are absolutely right.....sm
and in 4 years some of the same ones who are bestowing his virtues will be the loudest of the whiners. Obama is only a man and there was only one perfect man. We crucified him 2000 years ago.
I absolutely think so, too...
of course. I did paste it and only got a red screen, but it might just be my slow satellite internet. I do believe, however, that the government tries to do well by the soldiers and sailors. I know that my dad, who is a civil servant at a different Navy base, spends most of his time working on IED defense. We must keep in mind that this is a difficult war to fight because we have spent so much time and effort on technology that we have a hard time fighting people who use rudimentary weopons--i.e., the IED. I truly believe that NOBODY intends to hurt our troops, KBR included.
You are absolutely right....(sm)
I guess that wasn't the politically correct term....how about mentally stumped?
You are absolutely right....(sm)
I keep thinking of Kennedy. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I just hope he doesn't try to do the convertable thing. I think he mentioned doing it at one point.
I really don't think Bush will try the directive 51 thing or anything like that, although I wouldn't put it past him.
Absolutely!!! nm
You are absolutely right...
The justice screwed it up, and it took President Obama by surprise. He gave a look to the justice, and then the justice repeated it correctly.
That it being said, it is no use trying to reason with the Obama haters. They enjoy wallowing in misery and will go out of their way to find a reason to be miserable. Frankly, I revel in their misery!
You are absolutely right....(sm)
We should hold a party in his honor. You get the ropes. I'll get the water and the board.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
There is still a poster on here who was ignorant enough to ask who "stirred the pot"? That would be Obama. Another one didn't believe the families were not being allowed on the white house grounds.....news flash....that White House--- it BELONGS TO THE CITIZENS, not the government!
Another ask why didn't they approach Bush? Well, if they weren't so ignorant they would know that Bush didn't drop the charges against terrorists......he ain't kissing their butts! Obama allowed the dropped charges to take place.....
Get over it folks! Bush ain't there anymore......gonna have to spend your time figuring out how to blame others for all of Obama's failures now.
absolutely right..thank you...nm
nm
You are absolutely right!
Why should people be allowed to make a decent living wage and make you pay more for your Big Mac? I say, let's lower the minimum wage and cut the price of your Big Mac in half! By the way, would you like fries with that?
You are absolutely right.......
....we could keep at this for a week and never convince one another, which is fine. We don't get to vote on this issue. America has spoken. We want change. The dems will have enough votes in congress to ram this through without any input from you or me. As AL Gore says: The science is settled. The debate is over.
But consider this:
1. You have such a low opinion of our elected officials (what with the lobbying, bribing, the royal retirements and all) yet you want to turn your healthcare over to them exclusively?
2. If you or someone you love are denied by your insurance company, you might be grateful for the opportunity to accept charity or hock everything you own for the chance to get help. Or you could just roll over and die. Your choice.
3. If the government tells you no, you only get to do the dying part.
4. If you haven't the energy to fight with WDGD (We Don't Give a Damn) Insurance, what makes you think you can take on the FBHR (Federal Bureau of Healthcare Rationing)?
5. Why should you be bankrupted by having to pay higher taxes to provide healthcare for me or my family?
Just sayin'............
Anyhow, we both need to get a life, so I'm all finished posting about this subject
You are absolutely right.
I could not agree with you more. Because what is the world now but one big global community? A collection of neighborhoods. And I certainly know how to behave properly in MY neighborhood.
If my neighbor likes to slap his wife around a little, what business is it of mine? (Other than her screams occasionally waking me up at night, which is easily remedied with earplugs.) And if she should pound on my door one night asking for shelter - what kind of fool would I be to let her in? That might put me in the position of having to defend her - and would probably make her husband real mad. And when I hear multiple gunshots two streets over (a regular occurrence - there's Section 8 housing over there and they get kinda frisky) why should I care? Unless bullets are actually punching through my walls, is it really my business? And when I see someone breaking into my neighbor's car (not the wife beater - the other neighbor) is it really my place to intervene? If I see a shoplifter in a store shall I carefully avert my eyes - because what concern is it of mine?
Sure, I know, the appropriate thing to do is call the police in all these instances. But what if the cops are to the neighborhood as the UN is to the world? What if, when you call, they cannot be bothered to leave the station? Or maybe they convene a panel to study the problem in very general terms? Or what if maybe they just do a drive-by investigation? Or what if they actually go up to the neighbor's door and asked to speak to his wife and the man says, 'My wife. My house. Get lost.' And what if they then issue a very stern warning and leave? What if this happens every Friday night for years?
If all this becomes too much to tolerate I can try my luck in another neighborhood, I guess. Where do the rest of us move to if we allow the entire planet to be taken over by bullies, thieves and thugs?
You are absolutely right
what we have is a mess, but what we will get with government-controlled healthcare will be so much worse. I have no clue how to solve the inequities in our current system but I know that letting big government take over for big insurance is another step in the wrong direction. It's another example of 'we must do SOMETHING' without having a clue what that something should be. We have to do something effective and nobody knows what that is.....yet.
If you think insurance companies are difficult to deal with now, wait until you have to get approval from a government bureaucracy. The inefficiency and expense of anything the government manages is legend.
Presently, there is a monetary incentive for pharmaceutical companies to develop new drugs, for medical equipment companies to design new technology, for scientists physicians to perfect new treatments and techniques (other than having something named after them). When the government has sets profit limits and salary caps to prevent 'obscene profits from the illness of others' nobody will have much reason to break a sweat to do these things (again, other than having something named after them).
You are absolutely right......
You CAN indeed murder someone and you WILL indeed be arrested. The difference is you actually CAUSED HARM to someone. You didn't do something that just went against the opinions of another person.
I have two children myself that are young now and I understand about "protecting" children, but give me a break, this world is so corrupt it's ridiculous! There is A LOT that I need to protect them from, NOT the fact that two people may love each other and happen to be the same sex.
I am not gay, so therefore I have no right to say yes or no to gay marriage, but I would never put someone down for having different beliefs than I do.
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