Abortion is a personal issue!
Posted By: Pro Choice on 2008-09-15
In Reply to: Abortion is a political issue.... - sam
I can think of many more valid reasons for a woman to have an abortion than for a woman to shoot wildlife from a helicopter!
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At least that explains why u are for McCain. What I don't understand is pro choice people voting for McCain. Nobody said it's murder or not murder. I personally think it isn't and you personally think it is. Why are there no funerals for fetuses of miscarriages? yes, it is a moral issue but I will not dictate to someone that if they are raped OR whatever the reason is.. that they cannot have an abortion. That said, it does explain why you vote for McCain. The other people are a mystery.
every once in a while the issue about abortion
comes up, leads to a lot of insulting and flaming comments back and forth, with no resolve.
Can we just stop discussing this issue?????
BTW, I am pro-choice, up to the end of 3rd month, it is my body and my life and my right to decide how many children I want to have, because I want to be able to care for ALL of my children, without needing support from charity organizations, the government or other people and I am AGAINST adoption.
This Octomon should have had my attitude, then she would NOT be in this miserable situation.
Please, NO REBUTTALS AND NO INSULTS following my post!
every once in a while the issue about abortion
comes up, leads to a lot of insulting and flaming comments back and forth, with no resolve.
Can we just stop discussing this issue?????
BTW, I am pro-choice, up to the end of 3rd month, it is my body and my life and my right to decide how many children I want to have, because I want to be able to care for ALL of my children, without needing support from charity organizations, the government or other people and I am AGAINST adoption.
This Octomon should have had my attitude, then she would NOT be in this miserable situation.
Please, NO REBUTTALS AND NO INSULTS following my post!
every now and then the issue pro-abortion
versus pro-life comes up on this forum. People comment back and forth until it gets out ouf hand and bashing sets in. Every time it ends in this way.
My opinion: It is justifiable to termiante a pregnancy up to the end of the 3rd month. AFTER that not.
I would regard an abortion performed during the last trimester of the pregnancy, what is called 'partial birth' abortion, as a crime and doctors who perform those abortions should definitely get punished and their license wtihdrawn.
Under no circumstances should it be allowed that a person kills a doctor who performs 'partial-birth' abortions. This renders also this person a murderer.
Please do not bash me for condoning abortions up to the end of the 3rd month, because I think that a mother has the right to decide. If during these 3 months she could not decide, then she should maintain her pregnancy, no abortion allowed.
The abortion issue is just the tip of the iceberg.
It revolves around the issue of privacy and whether Americans have a constitutional right to privacy. It could potentially involve living wills and other privacy issues, once America accelerates its speed on the highway back to the 1950s. This appointment is a lifetime appointment, and Miers will be with us long after Bush and company are gone.
If she had been on the bench in the Terri Schiavo case, God only knows how that would have turned out. There again, Bush tried to inflict his own personal religious views upon a private American family. Believe it or not, I was actually in favor of keeping Terri Schiavo alive because I believed all the spin that was being thrown in my direction regarding her true condition. I even wrote to Jeb Bush, encouraging him to keep this woman alive. Then the truth came out about her true condition, and I realized it was nothing but conservative spin, and this poor woman was nothing more than a pawn being used in order to promote a conservative agenda, and I felt like a real fool for believing any of it. So you see, I haven't been automatically anti-Bush. I'm just tired of all his deception, my trust in him is gone, and after all the lies from Iraq to Schiavo, I simply don't believe him any more.
I'm willing to mind my own business, let people live their individual lives on their own to assess their own personal situations as they may arise, and not force my personal religious views on every American citizen.
Are you?
Abortion is a political issue....
it has been since activist judges took the "choice" away from one part of the country by overturning a state law. The Constitution states only the legislative branch can enact law. That is when it became a political issue.
She didn't turn it in an abortion issue - you did
The poster tried to make an unfair slam against Sarah Palin talking as though Mrs. Palin is dumping her special needs child on the cold street corner when the poster knows for a fact that's not true.
Sam was correct in my opinion. All she said was at least she had him and not aborted him - which has been a big "media" talking point.
Your the one who has turned this into an abortion issue. Sam has the right to express her opinion just like the poster has a right to say what he/she did - unfortunately you must think its okay to distort and falsely spread lies.
Like Sam said - you give it a rest. I agree with Sam. I commend this woman for having a baby and choosing to raise it no matter what hardships they will go through. They have a strong and loving family and will do very well for the child.
So go stick that in your pompous attitude.
Abortion shouldn't even be an issue. With all the forms of birth control
available, many at low or no cost, not to mention abstinence, abortion should not even be an issue. Too many people use it as a form of birth control and it isn't. I know there are some circumstances that warrant an abortion, but those are rare. Abortion may be legal, but it is immoral.
My belief? "late-term abortion" or partial-birth abortion" = infanticide, it is sickening
So in these cases I do think, as in most things, there is no ABSOLUTE, but a judicious guideline for this should be investigated and established by the medical community, as far as survival/outcome, but then we must be willing to prosecute mothers and doctors who go outside the guidelines...with established jail terms....and more money to house these "criminals" for years. Why not let God by the ultimate judge, He has the wisdom and the power, and eternity without God is worse than anything we as humans can mandate, don't you think?
meant is against abortion...didn't mean supports abortion (NM)
No issue is no issue. Denying that
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Don't take it so personal...sm
This is a debate. We will not always agree. It is perfectly normal for you to agree on one thing and be opposed on something else, especially talking with people on the opposite of your political spectrum.
Ward Churchill - see below
Would I care of someone judged me for posting an F-word, no because I apologized and it truly was a mistake, believe it or not. I'm sure no such apology will come from Ann to these widows.
What question is it that I didn't answer?
You are right, it is personal. sm
And it has consequences and I am not talking about physical ones.
cant we do without the personal
attacks? Hippocrite. (A hippo crossed with a hypocrite).
SOY was the one who made it personal anyway.
**This fits many on THIS board...To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.**
Maybe you missed that because you've stereotyped, judged and sentenced the liberals already.
POLITICS NOT PERSONAL
I believe you are mistaken. It is almost impossible to carry on a political discussion without getting personal. Political alignments are based on personal beliefs. And as for you trials and tribulations, she said nothing about what you've gone through in your life with the exception of, you know nothing of persecution.
stooping to personal
insults, are we now? Did you read Wally Lamb's book "She's Come Unhinged?"" A good read.
Right back at you...without the personal hit of course..
it is obvious whose value system is skewed. You resort to name calling and personal attacks...judging one's mental health...and sorry, when you let Clinton slide on perjury you lose all credibility of if Clinton had done this you would be disgusted...while that might be personally true, you would not be on this board crucifying him. And please, don't even try to say you would not.
I have never said anything personal about Obama.
I have nothing against him. He has a beautiful family. I am sure he is sincere...the point is, I don't agree with him. I think he is the wrong man for the job. I feel strongly about that. That is why I reply.
I have never attacked him personally, made jokes nasty jokes about him, and certainly not his family. Yet i see that constantly from the other side. The extent of the hatred and nastiness on this site might not bother anyone else...but as an Independent, it puts me off the Dem party...big time, and any positives are pretty much buried in tons of mud. That seems to be the way they do politics...see it in the mainstream media, on the dailykos (referred to one poster as a place where liberals go to post opinion...have you ever read anything there??)...if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
If there are any positives, please point them out to me. I would like to see them.
I suspect what the answer would be if they answered honestly. Of course they would support him. Because he is Obama. Because he is a Democrat. The rules are different for him.
There are indeed two Americas, and that is the way they want it. THeir way or the highway. Choice for them but not for anyone else. Freedom of religion as long as you never mention it. Does that sound like America to you?
we don;t need personal attacks.
nm
No need for personal potshots....
that actually reflect worse on you than the people you ridicule.
you have a personal vendetta against her and...
You continue to post time and time again saying sam this or sam that. We all enjoy hearing sams opinions and viewpoints. She is not the bully on this site (it seems you are). She has done nothing wrong to deserve being kicked off. Maybe the moderator ought to kick you off. How would you like it.
Moderate please do NOT kick sam off this board because others don't like what she has to say. I've never found her to be insulting towards others and from my understanding this is a board where we can all share things we have heard and our opinions. We all (well most of us) love sam and the due diligence she uses to research articles and she has never been rude to others and has done nothing to deserve being denied access. I have learned a lot from her posts.
Thank you moderator if you are reading this.
personal attacks are
not allowed on this board. Stop immediately.
personal attacks are
not allowed on this board. Stop attacking me personally with your imagining what I have or don't have in my work area. Stick to the issues.
Why the personal attacks?
This has nothing to do with this conversation. What this person makes and why they make that is none of our business. The point was that she didn't live beyond her means and doesn't want a handout and that right there makes her a heck of a lot better than a lot of people.
it is a personal choice
If you make it a religious choice, it is a toss up. Most Jews believe life begins at first breath, just like when God breathed into Adam's nostril. Protestants are divided on the issue. Many mainline/reform churches take the choice stance, including PC-USA and others.
I believe it is a tough decision, but I sure as heck don't see it as murder. Since you do, you probably should not have an abortion. Since my DH had a vasectomy, I probably won't need one. But if am raped, or the vas were to fail, you can be darn sure I want to be able to make that choice.
nothing personal - it's just politics!!! nm
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Does personal responsibility mean
get off your lazy a$$, find a job, don't expect a handout, free healthcare, free college, maybe work for a living instead of expecting those of us who have been responsible to foot your bill??
What I have is personal bitterness...(sm)
for an organization operating under the pretense of religion molesting children. Not only did they do it, they obviously condoned it by hiding the fact. I must be nice to be a religious -- it's such a blinding experience. You don't have to see the world as it really is. You can just make assumptions based on your religion.
I actually commend you on adopting children. I do, however, wish more people would adopt children in this country. I think it's a little bit of a double standard when one would go overseas to find a child to suit their desires and at the same time condemn this country over social issues.
And since you're waiting.....
http://www.adoptuskids.org/Child/ChildSearch.aspx
When you go to this page, don't change the criteria under *child profile* to look for the perfect child, just go to the bottom of the page and hit *search.* I came up with 3466 children waiting for a home -- and that's just out of one agency.
how was that a personal attack?
telling you you aren't better than everyone? At least I'm not callng people mentally challenged. yes i know that wasn't you, you are the friend that just laughs along with the bully...
and if you wanna point fingers about me not responding the way you think I should have, i dont see you responding to the person giving their opinion on what trickle up means...
give it a rest it's freaking Christmas time
you obviously HAVE to have the last word so i'll let you have it. pretty pathetic that you spend your time trying to cut other people down... is that also a personal attack?
Right on! Why take personal responsibility for
nm
If you are answering to me, my personal
beliefs are strongly Christian, but I am a Christian who also believes wholeheartedly in the separation between church and state, FYI. I was answering the person who is scared. Christians should not be afraid of anything, if they truly believe that God is in control. Just my opinion.
My personal feelings aside,,,
the three branches of government were meant to be equal. It was never intended for the judicial branch to be able to "overrule" the legislative branch or the voters whenever they felt that it was appropriate. It is abuse of what was meant to be a check and balance, but who checks the courts. It would appear that they have worked themselves into the final say and that is really unfortunate.
My personal opinion
FWIW, by definition civil is: "of or relating to or befitting citizens as individuals" and "of or occurring within the state or between or among citizens of the state" (per wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn), which to me is the one the government should sanction, be it gay or straight, and thereby entitle one to the legal and financial 'benefits'. Marriage, on the other hand, in my opinion could/should then be viewed as more a religious construct.
and the personal attacks continue
I too think it was a PERSONAL matter. It's unfortunate that the
republicans would stop at NOTHING to drag Bill Clinton through any kind of mud at any cost to the country down to whos blowing him.
You must not have read the personal comment at the end then.
Sounds like you have a personal problem....
And no, I don't have to deal with it. I don't take orders from folks with psychological problems on a forum. Do you?
I don't even know what I'd be lying about anyway. My guess is that you don't know either and that you are obviously just trolling.
and let's NOT forget personal slander
You all have directly slandered MT, and it shouldn't be tolerated in any form.
I'll hand your bog back to you and step aside.
Politics of personal destruction
If a conservative talked about an African-American woman like this we would be called racists and even worse.
If all you have to criticize is her shopping habit then you really have nothing to criticize.
What I said was hardly a personal attack, Fern. sm
It was an observation. I think I know who you are, hiding there behind all those forest nicknames.
How in the world could I have known what was going on in your personal life? sm
I have had quite a few nasty comments said to me on these boards and I have never taken them personally. I am truly very sorry about your mother and, of course, would have never made the comment knowing your circumstances. It's a little disingenuous to present this this way. It isn't any use speaking to you, Teddy. You have a grudge and you're going to keep it. I am not going to bring out a long laundry list of wrongs done to me on these boards. Feel free not to respond to me and I'll make an effort to stay off your board.
forgot my own personal favorite
How is this considered effective and balanced political debate?
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You two are....peas in a pod....twins joined at the brain....
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actually more like a ventriloquist and his buddy. Just not sure which one's hand is up which one's back. "I second that." "Oh I just got goose bumps." lol. Gotta love you two. So entertaining. |
Maybe so, but it is personal choice how this is handled...
and you can see how people here chose to handle it. I find that reprehensible, sorry. If the media was making the kind of judgments these people are, it would be reprehensible on their part too. Are you going to say the same thing if people turn their criticism on Obama's mother, who was also not married when she had him?
I am sure it was discussed before Palin accepted the nomination. Obama's mother was 18 when she had him, 1 year earlier. There are lots of women out there who vote who had children out of wedlock or have pregnant teenagers or had pregnant teenagers...do you think they are going to be kindly disposed to a campaign whose followers want to condemn Sarah Palin for that?
I really don't think they realize it, and the media too...if they dwell on it, they will deep six his candidacy. And to take your words...there will be no turning back then.
Preacher of personal responsibility: When do
nm
Personal attack politics. You really don't know any other way...do you?
Says more about you than me.
I can say from personal experience that you are 100% wrong. nm
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...just as long as it's your own personal brand.
nm
Do pubs ever take personal responsibility for anything?
Ridiculous considering the investigation was gong on way before anybody ever knew she was the VP pick.
I have personal experience with intimidation...
from union organizers. Not physical bullying, but intimidation nonetheless. Needless to say, it was those tactics that caused their bid to unionize the hospital to fail. I am not condemning all unions...but that branch of the UFCW certainly practiced intimidation to get votes at that hospital.
Not quite the same as paying it from his own personal account....sm
You can rest assured that Obama, like every other American, will take all the tax credits he can and pay the least amount of taxes he has to. A nice campaign slogan, but it doesn't hold water.
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