Posted By: sm on 2008-12-29 In Reply to:not bitter? nm - leftie
See I can keep repeating over and over. What does bitter have to do with anything. This will end up being a disastrous 4 years coming up. Look at his ideals, his line up crew of who he is picking. The Clinton administration was a disaster. He's picking all the same people again, hence another disaster.
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The cool thing about this election, to me anyway, is that it seems it was the younger citizens and college students who turned the vote which really goes to show how much influence they can have on an election. I would love to see such passion amongst our own to show up at the polls. There is a grassroot effort going on now try to get our students rallied together to participate more in our political process. Let's hope it pays off! This is a great example of what they can do.
Did you ever THINK this was the beginning of
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This is the beginning
The beginning of the end of the war! nm
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I am beginning to think....
that you are not real and your only purpose is to stir up _____ Let's take a depressed person off their antidepressant. then they can sink into a deeper depression, one where they become unable to even function, or possibly one where they commit suicide and then, gee, we won't have to worry about insuring them or the cost of their care, hey?? Same thing if we skip all the silly x-rays, MRIs and other tests. We will just ignore them and then their illnesses will progress until they die and, gee, no more insurance or cost worries.
There is no forced testing. if you don't want the test or feel you need the test, don't go. Nobody drags you kicking and screaming for tests you don't want. When you have MD after your name, then you get to decide who gets what meds and what tests, not when you are an MT hanging out on this forum and telling everyone else what to think and do.
Delta Disaster: Hang Together.
DELTA DISASTER: HANG TOGETHER
By JOHN PODHORETZ
FOR the second time in four years, the United States has been changed utterly by a previously unthinkable event. And just as was the case after 9/11, how this nation responds to the deluge that is sweeping New Orleans away will help define the nature of its character for decades.
Just as Rudy Giuliani said that the death toll from 9/11 would be more than any of us can bear, the same is already true of Katrina. Who can begin to take in the notion that in the United States in the 21st century, a storm could kill in staggering numbers?
At the beginning of the 20th century, something like 8,000 people perished when Galveston, Texas — unprotected from storm swells at the time — was hit by a hurricane. But when Hurricane Andrew leveled the entire town of Homestead, Fla., 13 years ago and became the most financially deadly storm in American history, it took only 15 lives.
Now we're talking about several hundred times that number in the literal swamping of one of the world's great cities.
There can be no doubt that the immediate response will be one of breathtaking generosity — financial, spiritual and personal. That's what we saw in the wake of 9/11, it's what happened after the tsunami in December, and it's what we will begin to see as the next few days pass.
But what we don't yet know is this: Are we going to try to look forward, to figure out how to save New Orleans and prevent another calamity of this sort there and elsewhere? Or are we going to begin finger-pointing, searching for villains among the debris?
Some of that villain-hunting has already begun, in the typically vulgar, unwisely speedy efforts made by overly assured ideologues certain that they can connect a cataclysm to a pet issue — whether it be the American failure to pass the Kyoto global warming treaty or making the claim that spending on the war in Iraq squeezed out the possibility of shoring up the New Orleans levees.
Here we see the stirrings of a spiritual divisiveness taking hold — in the form of a know-nothing populism that sweeps everything in its wake and brings everything into the courtroom.
What happened here was a natural disaster. But there will be the temptation to turn it into a human conspiracy of greed and selfishness on the part of oil companies, concrete companies, politicians, insurers, re-insurers, goonish cops and the like.
If the recriminations become the story of the next months, everybody will simply go to the usual battle stations. The tort reformers will take on the trial lawyers. The global-warming crowd will face off against American business. The politicians will scream at each other, scoff at each other, and try to find some cheap advantage that will turn the tide against one party or the other.
The good that will be done —person by person, donation by donation, community by community — will be in danger of getting swamped by the bitterness and divisiveness that characterizes contemporary elite politics. Rather than finding common ground, there will be ugly partisanship and a cold standoff.
The horror of a flood is literally, very nearly the oldest story in the Book. There have always been times that the water will rise higher than the walls men can build to contain it. The New Orleans system survived the battering of nature for more than 200 years — but it met its match and was overwhelmed by it.
The best we can do is comfort the afflicted, mourn the lost, and try to rebuild. The worst we can do is turn on each other.
So what shall it be? E-mail:
podhoretz@nypost.com
Not even interested in the architects of the 9/11 disaster. sm
They either have more lucrative interests in Iraq or are just bent on ridding it of Saddam or all of the above (too much history there), and we all know good and well there were no jihadist extremist there before America invaded that country, so this so-called War on Terror in Iraq was INVENTED.
What do you mean "what Obama disaster"
Haven't you been keeping up with the news. He doesn't need to take office for all the disasters that are heading our way. Unfortunately this is not going to be taken care of before he gets in the office and if you think things are bad now, just wait.
Isn't the first week in June the same time that Bush plans to play with his bunker busting nukes in Nevada? I wonder if the bird flu will mysteriously begin to mutate in America during the same time frame (making the USA the first country in the world where the mutation coincidentally occurs).
`Omen' film promoters, Ann Coulter and Radio Free Satan all look forward to June 6.
By Susan Carpenter Times Staff Writer
April 24, 2006
Anyone living and driving in L.A. the past few weeks has seen them. Looming over the city, black and ominous, the billboards and posters announce You Have Been Warned and The Signs Are All Around You. Each is anchored with the date 6/6/06.
Drop the 0, and you get 666. That's the number of the beast, according to the New Testament's Book of Revelation, just one of many interpretations though all of them are dark and frightening. For some Armageddon believers, it represents the date upon which the Antichrist will spread universal evil over the Earth.
For marketers, 666 has also become an ideal date — to launch movies, records, books and other products or events, particularly those with religious undertones. In the case of 20th Century Fox, which is responsible for the omnipresent apocalyptic ad campaign, it's a once-in-a-century opportunity to unleash the remake of The Omen, about a couple and their devil incarnate spawn. For Crown Forum publishers, it's a perfect time to fan the flames of ideological controversy with the release of provocative author Ann Coulter's new book, Godless. For certain musical groups, it is the date to release records and, in the case of heavy-metal legends Slayer, their Unholy Alliance Tour — Preaching to the Perverted.
People have different reactions when they hear 666, said Jeffrey Godsick, executive vice president of marketing for 20th Century Fox. It's partly superstition, partly fear, partly reality, maybe it's a little cultural. These numbers seem to have a significant impact.
A month ago, Fox first launched The Omen campaign with airplanes towing You Have Been Warned banners above key spring break cities. They definitely didn't go unnoticed — 911 operators and the FBI fielded a flurry of calls from terrified, bikini-clad beachgoers. In Panama City, Fla., a fighter jet was even dispatched to escort one of the planes down.
Coulter's book probably won't have the military on alert, though it is likely to get political left-leaners up in arms. That won't have as much to do with the release date as what she's had to say about it. In an interview with Neil Cavuto of Fox News two weeks ago, the bestselling author of How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must) and Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right said the release date of Godless was her little tribute to liberals.
According to Crown Senior Vice President and Publisher Steve Ross, the release date was selected before the book was even named and was, predominantly, a marketing decision. June 6 falls on a Tuesday this year and Crown, which releases all its titles on Tuesdays, wanted to ensure that Coulter's most explosive book yet came out early enough in the summer to be one of the summer books that people would be reading.
Now that June 6 has been construed as 666, Crown is, of course, happy to ride on Satan's, er, The Omen's coattails. 20th Century Fox, Ross said, is doing our ad campaign for us.
Tuesdays are also the days albums are released. And while there are plenty of satanically unaffiliated artists' albums whose June 6 release date are entirely coincidental — for example, electronic artist Paul Oakenfold's A Lively Mind and David Lee Roth's Strummin' With the Devil — others, such as the death metal group Deicide, are taking full advantage. On June 6, the Florida quartet, renowned as much for a statement it issued in support of animal sacrifice as its music, will release The Stench of Redemption.
Deicide isn't the only satanic group to celebrate the date. The online radio station Radio Free Satan, based in Chicago, is heading to Los Angeles, where it plans to celebrate its sixth year and also ring in the sin-tennial with Satan's Rockin' 666 Eve at Zen Sushi in Silver Lake.
The Anton LaVey-founded Church of Satan is hosting a satanic high mass at the Steve Allen Theater, during which Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore will bestow his blessing upon those assembled to, as Gilmore puts it, champion reason, pluralism, skepticism and abundant joy in life.
June 6, 2006, is nothing to be feared, said Gilmore.
It is just a day, like any other, Gilmore said.
We think it's entertaining that it concerns people, but it is no more rational or plausible than avoiding stepping on cracks.
Nobody can fix anything. All they're doing is making my grandkids and great-grandkids pay for something that should have never been done in the first place (bailout).
Now, Bennie (Beneke sp) doesn't want to LOAN the big 3 any money? What? Is he nuts????? He will kill this country with this attitude. His excuse is that it's a bailout for financial institutions. Yeah, right. They take expensive "conferences" and raise the rates for consumers. We pay through the nose by the government plus the financial institutions new updated charges they are putting in place. So, we're screwed by both..
Stop the world. I want to get off!!!! This will be a depression worse than any in history. Mark my words.
It has been about race from the beginning.........sm
One only has to read either of Obama's books to know that. His books say essentially what your brother is saying in (no offense at all to your brother or to you) more eloquent terms (instead of saying "a brother in the White House").
I am very much against the use of the Trail Maids in the parade, not because of the color of their skin, but because of what they represent....a time in our country's history that was wrong and shameful in terms of what one race did to another. I personally don't think it is a period of time to be celebrated.
What truly amazes me is that so many have tried to blame the racism on the white people who were against Obama instead of recognizing the "reverse racism" that is at the core of this campaign. I didn't vote for him, but I didn't vote for him because I disagreed with his political platform. Race was never an issue for me. I'd have voted for a black man, Oriental man, Hispanic man, white man or purple man if I believed that he was the best choice for leading this nation and if his platform was one I agreed with.
US MTSO's better start re-thinking their pay scales, because hopefully their 'sacred' cash-cow (India) is about to run out o' milk.
Pure trash from beginning to end.
Are you not aware how old this smear campaign is and how ineffective it has been thus far? Though it seems like a couple of lifetimes ago, I do recall it being around at least as far back as February. It was kept alive all the way up until Obama successfully clenched the nomination of his party despite the Hannity cult's diligence to make it stick. It finally faded out after their original mission had failed miserably and he emerged from the primaries on top. You can post this stupidity until the end of time but it isn't going to accomplish anything except to make you look like the ignorant, out of touch bigot that you are, marginalize the fringe that subscribes to these beliefs and make your own party look like fools.
I am a WASP American who has many more Moslem friends than Christians for reasons that would be a waste of time to explain to someone with such a narrow, tiny brain. My relationship to that community spans more than 5 decades and my life has been enriched tenfold because of it. I have traveled there, lived amongst them, married into a Moslem family, born Christian children from that union and buried a few along the way. I speak 2 of their languages, have read the Quran, their literature and appreciated their extensive historical contributions to the arts, music and the sciences.
I have lost count of how many of them I have known. I can tell you they are an intelligent, educated and spiritual people. They have family values every bit as strong as Americans and an even stronger sense of community. They take pride in humility and honor. In all those many years, never ONCE have I known a terrorist among them. I know they are out there and I know that unfortunately the politicized version of Islam is every bit as ugly as the politicized version of Chritianity.
It makes no difference whether Obama is a Christian with Moslem ties or a Moslem who has converted (which he is not). As a matter of fact, I have also known many Moslems who have converted, but Obama is not one of them. He is a remarkable human being and this country is blessed to have him as a choice for leadership in this election. What I can tell you is that the ugly, bigoted sentiments expressed here are universally repulsive to all people of faith. Today, you have made me feel ashamed to call myself a Christian.
I'm beginning to believe it DOES take a rocket scientist
to figure things out. If you want to shop at Wal-Mart........fine. I don't. I prefer to support those who support America...local businesses who don't sell cheap, low quality imports. If you think Wal-Mart's prices are lower...fine...I don't. Try comparing them. I have. Wal-Mart was great when Sam was alive, and living in this part of the country you probably won't be surprised that I knew him and his wife personally. I expect Sam would be turning in his grave if he could see what has become of what he built.
As for unions, think what you want. "We the people" do not pay for union benefits, card carrying union members pay for them through their dues. AND my husband will be the first to tell you that Jimmy Hoffa hung with corrupt people but he also benefited American workers.
So if you don't support unions or pay raises............quit b*tching about how little MTs are paid.
Who, for heaven's sake, comes up with such weird comparisons, when we are talking about prisoners in Gitmo?
Can you people not stay on one issue without losing the focus? Palin's pending pastor disaster. As requested,
Thanks to Fox's Rev Wright feeding frenzy/orgy, the media now spotlights SP's religious upbringing. Here are some "legitimate" sources of info on the newest area of inquiry into SP's views, mentors, influences, etc., as we become more acquainted with JM's VP pick. A nutshell description might be politics based on the concept of manifest destiny. Most of these sources have often been cited by right-singers on this site. Keep in mind, these are only the early returns on this inquiry. Stay tuned.
http://www.wasillaag.net/
Due to the avalanche of inquiries, the Wasilla Assembly of God Q&A link has crashed and burned for the time being. Their Official Statement on Sarah Palin is posted here.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/sarah-palins-je.html
Statement from Senior Pastor Ed Kalnins on war, including "I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09032008/news/nationalnews/church_prayer_for_iraq_war_127206.htm
"Church Prayer for Iraq War." US soldiers battling terrorists in Iraq are "striving to do what's right" and are part of "a task . . . from God," Sarah Palin told worshippers at a conservative Pentecostal church earlier this year.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html
"Jewish voters may be wary of Palin." After growing up in Wasilla Assembly of God, she switched to Wasilla Bible Church. This article deals with their views of Jews and Jews views of them. Visitors to the pulpit: David Brickner, of Jews for Jesus, who according to the Anti-Defamation League is “targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception,” asserts in essence that it's okay to bulldoze Palestinians. He goes on to say, "…terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity."
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/election/2008/09/02/palin-said-war-in-iraq-gas-pipeline-are-gods-will/
"Palin said war in Iraq, gas pipeline are God’s will."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/by_juliet_eilperin_when_alaska.html
Palin Asks for Prayers That War Be "Task That Is From God"
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/palins_past_pastor_bushfoes_he.html Tribunes Washington Bureau
"Palin's Past Pastor: Bush foes Hell-bound"
Former FEMA Director Michael Brown, heavily criticized for his agency's slow response to Hurricane Katrina, is starting a disaster preparedness consulting firm to help clients avoid the sort of errors that cost him his job.
If I can help people focus on preparedness, how to be better prepared in their homes and better prepared in their businesses — because that goes straight to the bottom line — then I hope I can help the country in some way, Brown told the Rocky Mountain News for its Thursday editions.
Brown said officials need to take inventory of what's going on in a disaster to be able to answer questions to avoid appearing unaware of how serious a situation is.
In the aftermath of the hurricane, critics complained about Brown's lack of formal emergency management experience and e-mails that later surfaced showed him as out of touch with the extent of the devastation.
The lawyer admits that while he was head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency mistakes were made in the response to Katrina. He also said he had been planning to quit before the hurricane hit.
Hurricane Katrina showed how bad disasters can be, and there's an incredible need for individuals and businesses to understand how important preparedness is, he said.
Brown said companies already have expressed interested in his consulting business, Michael D. Brown LLC. He plans to run it from the Boulder area, where he lived before joining the Bush administration in 2001.
I'm doing a lot of good work with some great clients, Brown said. My wife, children and my grandchild still love me. My parents are still proud of me.
Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
U.S. needs allies badly. No money, many enemies and no allies = Disaster
China could bring down the entire country with a stroke of a pen. Russia, Venuzuela and Cuba are buddies. North Korea is provocative and well, then there is an entire continent of terrorists who hate the Americans.
I'd say you need to wake up and face the fact that America is on its back and one more castrophe to cause the fall of a nation. Rome fell in 400 years.
Iraq, Afghanistan, subprime mess, derivatives, tax cuts to rich and deficit spending to trillion all happened over two months ago by the man named George Bush.
But it IS true.
I saw a feature on it. They had videotapes of the recruiters coaching the kids on how to pass a urine drug screen. It is absolutely true.
I don't think that is true at all. sm
I think a lot of people are pretty sick of Cindy and her histrionics. I don't see it as political at all. A lot of people aren't going to sit by this time for another Vietnam where the antiwar crowd totally influenced the way the war was run.
Not true. sm
They are pro troops and pro Israel. You are definitely not reading that board right. Is it the guns that offend you? Or the war with Islamic radicals who all want us dead? I mean, what EXACTLY offends you the most?
LOL!!! Oh how true! nm Not true
Re-upped? He joined the military because all his friends did. Read Cindy's description of how he got hoodwinked into going. Re-upped? No.
LOL. I like that...so true...nm
When in doubt, blame Clinton.
the true me
Happy and peaceful but when I deal with rabid conservatives attacking me..I attack back..Happy and peaceful in my life and in my beliefs, you bet, totally..I can sleep well at night cause I know my ideology/politics help people, I help people..I am an extremely happy peaceful accepting person..However, when I get attacked, I can give as good as I get..I do have to say, the net does not show the true person, so I dont see the true you and you dont see the true me..I have met people who I have only known in the net and when we met, we became friends..So I would take with a grain of salt the impression you get of people over the net..we are much more..
So true sm
That clip would be hilarious if it were not so true. It is frightening how true it is.
It's true. SM
I remember Nan talking about it. It was way way back when some of us used to put our e-mails on line here.
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