[sigh...] I meant "they" went, not "then". nm
Posted By: Topaz on 2009-03-27
In Reply to: I don't get it, either. Maybe then went - sm - Topaz
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"they" know that there are
people who want to believe in great conspiracies and will. They know there are informed voters who will dismiss scare tactics and innuendos and will. "They" don't even bother with the first group - lost cause.
This is the "they"
I read your response and thought to myself she (or he) must think I watch a lot of X Files. HA HA HA. Okay, when I wrote that this morning my DH came out and told me "They were threatened that there would be martial law if they didn't vote for the bill". So, I got on the Internet cos I wanted to know who is the "they" - Bush? Pelosi? Franks?, who? I thought who in their insane mind would could come out and tell people vote or else there will be marshall law. So, on C-span there is a video clip of Rep. Brad Sherman. (You can access the same video from the link provided above by sm). He's a California democrat. He said "Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop 2 or 3 thousand points the first day, a couple other thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no". He then said "That's what I call fear mongering". Now...I haven't been able to find out who exactly the "they" are (as in actual names), but this is what a democratic representative is saying.
Who is "they" you refer to?
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Who are you referring to by "they" ?
I am also a Christian and don't condone any of it either and I think most people probably do not. "they" fear Muslims because all they know of Muslims is the small portion of them who are terrorists. They don't realize it is a peaceful religion. All of these things that were done in the name of religion over centuries were done by radicals one way or the other looking for an excuse. No one's God, not the God we Christians believe in, not the God Muslims believe in, condones killing and hatred. That is something we humans have done all by ourselves.
You talk about "Them" and "They"
You are the kind of person who is trying to divide this country with such unsubstantiated, ridiculously divisive statements.
Even your fellow Republicans are rallying behind PRESIDENT Obama.
I suggest you quit making ridiculous generalizations and start reading what YOUR president says instead of taking the word of lopsided, right-wing nut cases.
You do not make one credible statement in this entire diatribe. If you have so much "knowledge" of how he is screwing us over, please cite RELIABLE sources and facts.
Yeah...I thought his "they will call me if they need me"
comment really brought that point home. LOL.
The reason "they" have their houses paid off - sm
is that they worked hard, were frugal, did not use credit cards unless they could pay the balance each month, did not buy a car for everyone in the family, did not have a TV in every room, did not have cell phones, their kids did not have all the latest "toys", and, yes, "they" are eligible for Medicare because they EARNED it. And they did all this on salaries that were just enough to get by on. How do I know this? My parents are a shining example.
I really agree with you, but since "they" have not extended the hadn across the aisle,......sm
so to speak, I felt that SOMEONE has to, we have to get this thinking ingrained and replacing this old, worn-out, stupid arcaic partison bullying and namecalling, and SOMEONE has to be the bigger person...why not an old Democrat like me??? :-) but I truly believe what I am saying also, friend!
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Yeah..sigh..***heart feeling heavy, soul feeling so heavy***, knowing we cant bring our soldiers back who have died for nothing..***my whole being feeling so heavy***.
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Too bad for you that you are so closed minded..sigh..I pray for you.
Sigh.... I know...
I hope it's something my grandchildren will be able to experience.
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Wow, seems like I turned on your spigot of liberal hate.
Yes, I was trying to type doesn't (does not). For some reason, when I type an apostrophe it won't post half of the time hardly justifying the sermon you just preached to me.
You are a mean, hateful person, and I hope you find something more joyful to do than obsess about our president.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU...
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Yes I know Rx drugs for pain are dispensed for pain and if one takes them as prescribed, one does not get a buzz. The medication acts as it was designed to act. If, however, the person begins to self medicate for whatever reasons, i.e. taking more than prescribed dosage for said pain, soon he will be feeling no pain, that is for sure. Soon he will be feeling good, so good in fact that he will continue on this course for as long as it works out for him. I will never agree that anyone and I mean ANYONE who becomes addicted to any substance did not have a choice in the matter. There comes a time when the addict has no more choices, but that comes much later in the disease process. They will tell you they didn't, they will lie, they will deny and be in denial...that is what addicts do...This is not a case of **when bad things happen to good people.** I disagree and I believe you are simplfying things when you try to separate the addicts based on the course of how they got there.
What in the world makes you think I am obsessed with politics. I don't come on this board for weeks at a time. I have become increasingly frightened these last 6 years as I have watched our country change for the worse but I am not obsessed wtih politics.
My gratitude list, they are all on it...the right-wing screamers that is. You don't get it??? It works for me and that is all that matters because it is my list.
I appreciate prayers from anyone anytime so you guys go right on ahead and pray for me. I would never turn away prayer. Thanks.
I have gone to a **dark place.** YIKES, and I didn't even know it. You have a sore spot about abortion, stem cells, etc., for personal reasons. I have a sore spot about addiction and do not appreciate being told I don't know anything about it and that is for my own personal reasons. What is the difference.
And last but not least, none of what this thread has become from my standpoint anyway had anything to do with stem cells. It could have been any personality promoting any politician for any reason. My point is, was and always has been that Rush blew it big time on this. He was cruel and ugly. He did apologize and it should have stopped there, but as I understand it, he has carried on about MJF every day since (something I read, did not hear it from Rush himself as, if you will recall, I don't listen to him). I am done with this thread. I have ended up talking about things I did not intend to talk about. That happens a lot here, getting off track. So, I stand by what I said. Rush behaved badly and addicts have choices. The end. Aho.
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I appreciate the time spent on your reply but unfortunately you are not seeing the big picture here. I am quite certain there are countries on this planet whose history does not contain genocides or atrocities, there are several that come to mind. However, that is most certainly NOT what I was referring to. As I said, literal micro-analysis was not the point of my posting.
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My friend, my faith has NEVER been in politics. If you will read my posts I have begged people to look at this situation as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans. I have said I don't know HOW many times that right or left up or down liberal or conservative does not matter. Radical Islam hates us ALL equally. And the fact that you and other liberals just pooh-pooh that idea, after what happened on 9-11...boggles the mind. And then, of all things, try to say that whatever happens is God's will. What MT said was correct....God gave us free will and we need to realize how far reaching our actions or inactions are. If there had been more action during Clinton's 8 years against terrorism and not Ms Lewinsky's black dress and cigars, we would be a long way down the road to safety. But he chose inaction, which paved the way for 9-11. Pardon me if I do not want to see the same thing happen again...because no telling what liberal inaction will bring us to the next time. And it has absolutely nothing to do with God's will and everything to do with man's.
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Did you think that those folks would behave as adults? They are bullying children, after all. You were set up to be mocked and chastised.
Y'know, Teddy, I don't think Lurker needs you to champion her. While I do think she is an intelligent person and gives much thought to her posts and limits personal attacks, which is to her credit, I cannot say the same for you Ms. butt-in-chair use-of-defecation as an adjective....
I do have to say, though, that your posts for the most part have been an eloquent and ethical plea for a more humane world.
Once again, I BEG of you, talk to the terrorists and stop preaching to the choir!
I would think that anyone, no matter their personal ideology, would have been moved, even inspired, to ponder a different manner of viewing our world and our role in it.
When have YOU done that, Teddy? When have you ever viewed the world from a position other than yours? Stop quoting OTHER people and say something ORIGINAL.
This all reminds me of trying to argue/debate with my mother who was a borderline personality (a mental disorder). It's hopeless. You cannot have a straightforward discussion/debate/argument with someone for whom the bounds of reality are constantly shifting as their logic will never be grounded in sane reasoning.
You just described yourself, dear. Do you not read your own posts? Slam your mother on a public board...yep, that tells me a lot about the content of YOUR character.
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"The Republican Congress..." Check the yay and nay vote. The Republicans alone could not do it. There are many, MANY Democrat names on it. Otherwise it would not have passed. Even the most partisan should be able to grasp that. That is the basis of democracy...majority rules. And the Republicans could not have passed it without democratic support. Just could not have happened. So like it or not...BOTH sides responsible for the war.
As to the grossly inaccurate information...if the Senate Intelligence Committee (ahem) bought the same inaccurate evidence the President did, and reported such to the Senate...why do I not see the same degree of disdain for them? They somehow are allowed to be fooled and Bush isn't? Would these same things be being said if the President in question was a Democrat? The answer to that is no.
I did not bring up Somalia, but my husband was there and saw that debacle first hand. Don't even get me started on Clinton and Somalia. He cut and ran there and if he had not, AL Qaeda would not be nearly as strong as it is today. By the same token...if Clinton had taken the Sudan up on their offer, bin Laden would have been in an American jail, not plotting 9-11. Even he has said himself that was his biggest mistake. Gee, Bill, ya think?? But I don't hate Bill Clinton or demonize him.
There is plenty of blame to go around on BOTH sides for most things. Trouble is, most folks look at the issue through blinders...can only see one side.
As I stated on the list of books...written for money by Bush haters for other Bush haters. No interest in the truth.
Democrats launched the protests? I would love to see how that idea is supported. From what I remember, my bet is most of them were not registered and never voted. Did someone card them and I missed that?
LOL. I did not say Clinton invented regime change. All I said was he was on board for it. And Richard Clarke was on board for it when his guy was in office. Bush's BIGGEST mistake was not cleaning house after Clinton left. He kept Clarke and Tenet on. He took their advice. They both at first stood behind the "lying" intelligence. The head of the CIA no less. So please....just let the old "lie" thing die. No body lied.....well with the exception of Tenet and Clarke, because they had been on both sides of the issue, depending on who was their "boss" at the time. Or, as I guess they call in politics now....flip-flopped. Yeah, flip-flopped....like a beached whale.
And my friend...the buck for going to war stops at Congress. All the Democrats and Republicans who voted for it. And if you will check the roll vote...a good many Democrats DID vote for it. Otherwise it would not have passed. Sheesh.
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John McCain did not invent outsourcing. You need to do some research on Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. China and INDIA were big projects for them. You know..INDIA. Where most of our jobs went.
McCain renegotiated a big defense contract that went to an overseas division of an American company so that the actual work would have to be done in the American division...created thousands of jobs on our side of the water.
Without free trade there are no overseas markets for goods manufactured in this country, and a lot of Americans will lose their jobs. But it is okay to lose THOSE jobs?
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You aren't going to change my mind, I'm not going to change yours. But, as I said before, I don't think Obama is running around killing babies yet, and I don't think he is going to. I think McCain supporters are getting a little anxious right now, so they have to try bring up crazy crap in hopes of swaying people their way.
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........sometimes I wonder why we even try.
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sigh..so predictable
and the stories of a half a century ago keep coming..sigh..shall I post ALL THE CRAP that Bush and his family have been involved in? Like the stripper who had an abortion and later was murdered in Texas..she was involved with GW..do we need to post the sins and horrors of our politicians..it would fill this board big time..Now, get along little fool, get along and run on back to the conservative board so you all can rip liberals apart and pat each other on the back about what good xtians you are..NOT..
Sigh....you have condescenion down pat....
for this obviously inferior of intellect Native American, please to explain what the point of your post was?
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If you read the whole thread, I told Teddy and I will tell you...I was being facetious. I am sorry if you do not know it when you read it. And yes, Teddy did most certainly talk down to me, even more once I told Teddy that I was of native american descent. the first post Teddy made had nothing to do with my post anyway. But once the post was up there, I dissented and wanted to discuss. All Teddy did, which many liberals have done to me and others on this board(and this is not a bash, it is an observation), is never answer the questions asked of them and instead talk down(*I appreciate the time spent on your reply but unfortunately you are not seeing the big picture here. I am quite certain there are countries on this planet whose history does not contain genocides or atrocities, there are several that come to mind. However, that is most certainly NOT what I was referring to. As I said, literal micro-analysis was not the point of my posting.*) When I asked her to please enlighten this poor native american of lesser intellect (being facetious because of her pompous talking down post), I get this answer: *You have the nasty cliches down pat, but I generally tend to avoid cliches, as I generally avoid using the racial/ethnic I'm being picked on because of my race/country of origin/gender/you name it cliche also but I'll make an exception in your case.* I made no nasty cliche. And she did not answer my question, again. But another condescending post: *You don't seem to realize there's a written record of all your posts for folks to review. Many of your posts with other folks are quite strange and don't seem to make much sense.* And never DID answer my question. And no matter how much you deny it, it happens quite regularly. I ask a question, ask for clarification, and I get condescension and no answer. To me, the simple thing to do, if you don't have the answer, is just say so or answer the question without all the condescending rhetoric. There is no need to personalize it. Why can't there just be civil debate? And why do I keep asking that question when I know the answer....but it doesn't matter, because you aren't going to read this anyway.
Let me try this one more time...sigh...
you totally missed the point, and I think that Jesus would think it was very hypocritical of this country who murders babies at the tune of millions per year to be so wound up and gung ho about freebie health insurance for the kids who manage to survive. I believe THAT, my friend, is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy!! Kill'em before they are born, that's fine, but when they get here free health care. Pot calling the kettle black.
And, frankly, if a parent has not cared enough about his/her children to provide them with health care, giving them a freebie is not going to help. The program already covered families up to the level of family of 4, 80K. Why on earth expand it? Give those people tax cuts so they get some of the premiums back, but don't reward irresponsibility by saying here, take it, its free. Let's reward responsibility for a change and try to get people OFF programs, not ON them.
I would like to see the figures, the numbers of children who suffer and die because their parents could not/would not give them insurance. With all the access to health care for a child with insurance or not...sorry, I don't believe it.
I doubt you would believe it if YOU saw it. Sigh.
And just because you say it ISN'T so, doesn't make it NOT so, either. :-)
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Last-sigh-itis.
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Sigh. I give up.
I guess this is just the way things are.
(sigh....) It's still the same 5 or so people
 (Poor little smiley-face....he died of BOREDOM.)
Sigh. Trouble is, if they get what they ask for....
we all get it. Like I said...at least I can take comfort in the fact that I will have had nothing to do with the demise of freedom in this country as we know it. This whole thing with Joe really brought that home in a BIG way. Civil rights down the tubes.
Sigh. They better not protest too much....
or the Obama faithful background check squad will be after them. They better quit putting their garbage out by the street or people will be going through it.
The degree of control these people want to exert BEFORE they have real power is bad enough. THink what it will be like when and IF they do....
Godspeed John McCain to the White House.
As do you, my dear. As do you.
I apologize if my references zoom past you. I must remember not to do that.
EXPLANATION: "Like bedbugs at a cheap motel" is a very common allusion to things that exist in profusion (in this case, the ethical problems). Cheap motels have lots of bedbugs. It has no pejorative connotations.
Get it now?
"It" --- not "I" ! (sigh....)
Bye Bye Miss American Pie..sigh..
Hi, Anon!! :o)
I warned my republican friends..YIPES?? I have republican friends? Yes, and three of them now have told me the war was wrong and Bush is frightening.
Anyway, I warned my republican friends and everyone else that if Bush got in office the first time, the country would change drastically and he would destroy America and the world (okay maybe that was a little over the top..but not really)..I see us women going back to being bare foot and pregnant in the kitchen and the men coming home in loin cloths and billy clubs (umm..well, maybe that might be nice.smile)..
sorry...dependence, not dependance...sigh....lol nm
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