"WE" were never told about anything.....
Posted By: sm on 2009-06-22
In Reply to: Yeah, in Germany they were called.... - watcher
That's the problem. We, the citizens of this country, the ones who the govt is supposed to work FOR, put this into law without even Congress being consulted....without congressional consent...PERIOD!
The only "objectives" are being pushed through quietly by Obama and unless people wake up and start protesting loudly and clearly, and taking back this country, we are going to be another russia.... for those that don't believe that, then ask yourself why Russian politicans AND European politicians are telling Obama he needs to stop what he is doing, that he is heading down the wrong path; the very one THEY have already been down! How telling is that?!
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what "we" want is hardly the
issue. The "folks" are gonna vote based on the level of reasoning they use in their everyday lives. Will they vote from fear and the idea that the devil one knows is better than the devil one does not know. Will they vote based on reasoned assessment that the country is circling the drain after 8 years of republican rule and the only hope is to wrest control of the country from their incompetent hands? I am pleased with the way the polls are trending. They are more thinking americans than there are cowering americans. We'll try to save you even if you are dragged into the light kicking and screaming.
"We have seen this movie before...
it's called Hugo Chavez and Venezuela." PERFECT comeback. And I got blasted for suggesting there were liberals in Congress who wanted to nationalize oil. So I will say it again...far left liberals like Maxine Waters, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy to name a few...ARE socialists, just more sneaky about it...until she just got ticked and blurted it out. We better ALL hope they don't go there. That is the danger of voting in socialists. Good-bye America, hello Venezuela.
"We" know no such thing. Please do not
The scope of the issue is obviously beyond your comprehension.
"We've got them just where we want them." JM.
This is what we hear after being told JM would make a statement on the economy.
My favorite is SR's "We don't know what plan is"
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I beg to differ, it IS about "we" people.
Yes, I am a middle class American. I still have healthy savings and the credit cards I have are not maxed, because of choices I have made. You cannot blame the Republicans for peoples' bad decisions. I am not a Republican; I am an Independent. Though I have to say...if any party has been hijacked it is the Democrats...might as well change the name to the socialist party, because that is what it has become. That is evident in the posts I see here. They have convinced you that the wealthy people/corporations in the world are evil. If you knew how corporations figured into the economy of this country, you would know that is just not true. Corporations employ millions of Americans. Small businesses employ most of the rest of us. Democrats want to tax them into oblivion and drive even more business offshore to get out from under the tax burden. We have a higher tax on our businesses than any other country...which makes us extremely noncompetitive. THAT is why we lose jobs overseas and jobs here. Because the Democratic party has put the rax rate so high.
I don't want more and bigger government...I want less. I don't want higher taxes. I want less. I want businesses to be able to open and operate and compete with business outside our shores rather than join that business to get out from under taxes. I would like for Democrats to follow the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights, not just the parts that serve their agenda. I would like to get back to the place in America where we are Americans first, and Democrats/Republicans second. I would like politics in Washington to change, and Obama is not the one to do that. He and his VP are the #1 and #3 most liberal senators in the senate. They are washington politics as usual. Obama's entire career has been washington politics as usual...as is Biden's...30 years in the senate in washington. They are exactly opposite of any change. That is simple fact.
As to Republicans not making country stronger...that is the one major thing I agree with Bush on. He HAS kept this country safe. He has kept us on the offensive. And that is why we have not had another attack. AL Qaeda is much weaker. We drove them out of Iraq. I have no reason to think McCain will not continue that. He has said he would, and with his military experience, I believe him.
Obama is scary to me for that reason. I think he is soft on terrorism. He talks about "factions" of radical Islam and how you have to identify the "faction." That says to me he doesn't get it.
I do not agree that all the kids want Obama. However...this election is about all Americans, young, middle-aged, older. We all matter in this election.
"We know" -- ouch I am being excluded.
I shall probably die.
or the other quote...."we will take them over from inside...
without firing a shot." I agree, "bombing everything off the map" is not something you would engage in with Russia...but being firm is essential. They have to know that any aggression would be answered. To put it in very base terms, they want to see if he blinks...if there is a chink they can exploit. Will reserve any supposition or comment until he responds...giving benefit of the doubt and all that.
who in the world are you referring to as "we"
I never saw respect for Bush coming from the opposing side.
I agree that this day shouldn't be about bickering at all... and I welcome the new President
but please who are you referring to when you say "we" because that is a nice comment that you made, it makes sense you didn't like his policies, that is okay, but you really dont believe for a minute that people defended up?
wait i just read it again and you MUST be being sarcastic...
When they have to cough up "we are bankrupt."
Nobody has the balls to say the word. We print Monopoly money because we don't have anything else. Try spending that before long.
Enough is enough already!
"we'll bury you???"...(sm)
You guys are wising up? ROFL...I would say you're just mad because you are going down the tubes with your party.
In case you haven't noticed (and I'm sure you rarely notice much of anything), intimidation and threats on message boards rarely work and serve only one purpose -- that is to make those who would use these tactics look like a fool.
Maybe you should change your threats to threats of torture ---- that worked soooo well for Bush...Yeah, he's going down, and it's about time!!! 
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"we" did the right thing....no, you're wrong there.....a lot of
people, mostly young, were bamboozled.
"We" did not do the righ thing...
Unless you like total government control, and social medicine, and social economics.....
We may never recover from President Obama, at least not in my lifetime.
I did not vote for him. I wish him well, but his choices as he is leading up to his inauguration do not bode well for our country on a whole, especially our children and grandchildren.
Libs refuse to call it socialism.
But that's what we're putting into office.
Bush opened the door a crack.
Obama intends to play on our fears and take full advantage of them.
Maybe when all your rights are gone, when govt has total control over your healthcare, your mortgage, your loans, your 401K....maybe then, you will understand what is happening right under your nose, and finally see what you have lost.
"we" did the right thing....no, you're wrong there.....a lot of
people, mostly young, were bamboozled.
"We" did not do the righ thing...
Unless you like total government control, and social medicine, and social economics.....etc......
We may never recover from President Obama and his "change", at least not in my lifetime.
I did not vote for him. I wish him well, but his choices as he is leading up to his inauguration do not bode well for our country on a whole, especially our children and grandchildren, who will be left to foot the bill, and have less rights than we do now.
Libs refuse to call it socialism.
But that's what we're putting into office.
Bush opened the door a crack.
Obama intends to play on our fears and take full advantage of them.
The barn door is wide open, and the winner take all (Obama). "Never let a good crisis go to waste" as his team has recently stated.
He has, and will, take full advantage of our fears, as even he, Obama, was the fear monger today.
Maybe when all your rights are gone, when govt has total control over your healthcare, your mortgage, your loans, your 401K, (and other things I can't even imagine as of yet unveiled b....maybe then, you will understand what is happening right under your nose, and finally see what you have lost.
"we" blame Bush for what he did wrong, sorry if you cannot bear to....sm
take the blinders off. I thought Bill Clinton was a great Preident and humanitarian, but a LOUSY husband, but the country did not marry Clinton, and the Pubs with Ken Star and his WITCH HUNT went after Bill for what he did in his private sexual life that had nothing to do with his job as President. Wow, we impeached the guy and spent millions of tax dollars doing it!!! Yay! But he still led us one of the most prosperous times in American History budget-wise, and if he is kinky in his bedroom, so what? Do you want someone in your bedroom? What do you guys use as a measure for success? Blind loyalty was what REALLY got all the people to drink the Kool-Aid down in Jonestown, and with all the denial about the Bush years, I feel like we are down there in that jungle.
And George kept up with those "we are not in a recession" speeches, hilarious but tragic....nm
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Do you believe everything you are told?
If so, that explains a lot.
he was told to by
his Rove advisors - they are desperate.
Who told him? You?
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Like others have told me..........sm
do your own research.
No from what I was told
they look at a map of your address when you register (this was my first time registering and my husband had to reregister in this county) and if they are careless about it they will sometimes send you to the wrong polling place.
Still makes me wonder!
My husband joked they were probably giving us the run around because we are Mccain supporters in an area of heavy Obama supporters LOL
YES WE CAN, yes we DID, told ya so, HE WON
he won he won he won
Don't like being told what to do, either.
;p
What he SHOULD have told them
He should have told them where to stick their poisonous foodstuffs and lead-painted toys. I have no idea why we're buying their crap.
Do you really think that we are told what is REALLY
going on in Gitmo?
You must really be naive to believe that what the media tells us is the truth, the truth and nothing but the truth!
I bet it is 100 times worse than we are told.
They told her she did not have a right to speak and a lot of other
pretty awful things as well, Democrat. I am sorry you are so blinded by the hatred that was shown to this poster. Besides, she never said she spoke for everyone.
Well I guess you told me...
I was politely asking that you call us crooks and criminals on your board, where it will be better received and I was nice about it too.
As far as Foley goes, you will excuse me if I don't think running off to a secret rehab when you have been busted is an honorable thing to do. He got caught and he ran. Simple as that. Then blamed alchohol and a priest for his behavior. That doesn't fly with me. And he has not been convicted of anything, so I guess that makes it okay....neither have OJ or Robert Blake. They, let's see, how should I say it, got away with murder. And, last but not least, are you not the one who posted awhile back quite a sermon on passing judgement. I seem to remember Bible quotes and all sorts of Christian-esque cliches about judgement being God's to pass. Then, I hear McKinney is a joke, Jefferson is a bigger joke and Kennedy is the biggest joke of all. Yet they still get elected (by Democrats) which makes us all guilty of what...depraved indifference??? Judge not lest ye be judged. I believe you quoted that but here you are, on the liberal board, belittling Democrats, stating you don't care how we think or feel and that our Democratic senators are jokes. Not to mention how ridiculous it is to try to pin wrongdoing on one party, everyone included, you do it here on this board. All I asked was that you cease and desist with the mud. I do care what people think and feel and have tried to write respectfully keeping that in mind. It is not a bad practice and it is a practice, takes a looooong time to think before speaking or to filter through your heart first what comes out your mouth (or keyboard).
Truth be told
All stories, magazine articles, speeches are edited to reflect a point of view. That's the whole point (like inhaling). To condemn 60 Minutes which has been on for how many years and known as a vanguard of hard-hitting journalism as biased is facile.
That's fine if you want to be told
you aren't worthy of an MRI, right? Because it's too expensive?
I told someone to shut up
because for some people....they just cannot seem to post anything worthwhile. All they do is repeat the same stuff and call people names. If you have nothing of value to bring to the table....please feel free to shut your trap as well. I know what our country is facing and I stand by my decision of picking John McCain. I believe him, what he stands for, and what he says. I do not believe Obama. If you differ in that opinion....that is your God given right. But bring something to the table other than insults.
He has told it like it is for many many years....
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You know, they should have told us this two weeks ago....sm
but I suppose it took that long for it to make sense to Bush (yes, and I did vote for him, bash away).
But someone, anyone....should have explained this before.
And I agree. They need to give us the entire details once they know them, so we know what's really going on, not just innuendo and fear tactics....from both sides, really.
They are going to need to explain more about the return on investment part of it in another article I read here the other day. If they play it right, there should be no raised taxes, and this will help the economy tremendously.
NO! that's what you're TOLD. s/m
Watch Lou Dobbs and tell me he's biased. Give 'em all hell, Lou!. If anything I think they're biased toward McCain, so there.
how would you know what i've been TOLD?
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Hmmmmm...who was it told us to go
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Wow. Guess nobody told them that
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I told you it was a hoax!
The story made no sense from the very beginning. What is really amusing to me is how quickly the rabid right-wing posters jumped all over this story. Makes me wonder about their judgment and their ability to make an intelligent decision about voting.
the truth is not told
Just evasive answers
Did you believe everything Bush told you? n/m
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Well, they were told this would happen
There were MANY trying to yell this from the tops of their voices before Obama was elected. They did say he was adamant to get rid of "free speech"; after all, he certainly DOES NOT believe in our constitution, so why should that be a stretch.
He is already trying to pass a federal law prohibiting anyone from being able to have their own thoughts....
For instance, if a pastor refuses to marry a gay couple, his church will be targeted.
Already a photographer in Arizona refused to photograph a gay couple's wedding, stating he did not believe in those unions, and they took him to court. He has a PRIVATE business. He has every right to refuse. But no, the gays had to go and file papers against him. Just shows you what they are really all about. Nothing but hate!
The talk was already out there about Obama wanting to do away with conservative radio or TV, or for that matter, any religion that doesn't think his way... but no, so many fell for his crap hook, line, and sinker.
The inability to have free speech will only slap those in the face that love him when they can no longer disagree with ANYTHING their government does, which is our constitutional right.
You're right....they're going to get change like they've never seen before and most are so unintelligent or just so enamored with him, they don't even see it coming. Of course, most of them didn't pay any attention to who he really was before they voted for him either.
A doc told me that nicotine is more..
addicting than heroin. At this point, I can see why heroin addicts can't just "quit." I stopped trying to quit - just the thought gave me the jitters.
and at the same time, I am told...
that I should support whatever ridiculous thing Obama says or does. It is interesting, isn't it? I sure hope that it never comes down to the bunch of cowards living in this country to protect themselves, and, no, I am not talking of you personally. I have no idea whether or not you fall into that category.
I Told You It Was Coming
http://forum.mtstars.com/misc/v/11/52289.html
Well, i suppose you told me...
consider me properly chastised.
My mother always told me
Ignore them and they'll go away.
Our physicians are already being told --sm
what they can and cannot do for patient care, by the pharmaceuticals and insurance companies! They deny claims left and right to people younger than this on a daily basis. It's not just the gov't that patients have to worry about! We already pay month after month to big insurance companies (who need bail out money yet on top of it), and they tell US what we can and cannot have as far as medical care! I see no difference than gov't telling us what we can and can't have.
This is what my sister told me
We grew up Methodist (12 years of church/sunday school in a Methodist parish). A few years back she became mormon and she was into baptizing every single person in our family (and her friends) who had died. This is what she told me. - By baptizing them they now can enter into ? (wherever the mormons go) because they weren't aware of the religion when they were alive, and now they are safe. We argued and argued about it. She even had the nerve to tell me after my mom died that my mom had expressed wishes to become involved in the mormon religion, but didn't get to before she died. So now she is okay now that she has been baptized. I told her that's funny because I was just visiting mom (who lives on the other side of the states) the week before she died and I had rosary beads that were blessed by a priest (although I'm not catholic - got them from a priest on the plane), and my mom was holding them and wanted to say that prayer of Mary - forge the name - Hail Mary full of grace, etc, etc., and she also asked for a Priest to say the last rites prayer when she was in the hospital. Sis was not real happy that I called for a Priest for my mom.
Anyway...I don't want to make this a religious discussion cos that's for a different board, but just telling you how my sister explained it.
I too still don't get it. I think it's more of a "feel good" thing for them. The person is long since gone and gone on to whatever realm they go to after they leave and I don't think there are different religions where they go - which btw she has already told me once I pass that because I'm not a mormon I will be on the same level with Charles Manson, Jefrey Dahmer, etc. But if I become mormon I will be elevated up to the next level. No offense to anyone on this board (I actually attended mormon services for a year when I was in the service), but it's just too "out there" for me and goes against everything I believe in, but so do all of the religions.
I respect what you just told me. .....sm
It is true. GP, and I noticed also JTBB, seldom react to unfair, ridiculing and ignorant personal attacks. They just let it slide by and stick to the issue. That's also what the moderators always tell us, but sometimes I just cannot let it slide, when some comments reek of stupidity and most of all injustice and low-life.
I am not so experienced yet when it comes to the right behavior on forums. Maybe I am too impulsive, but I keep trying.
Again, also here you are right. GP has sort of good-natured humor, mine is more sarcastic, but to the point, but it is more insulting, inticing and therefore alienates me from the disagreeing posters.
I honestly respect and appreciate your reply and I will try to follow your advice.
I am a political independent (more to the democratic side) and a religious liberal (not extreme liberal, I heed some restrictions, e.g. same-gender marriages, but pro-same-gender unions, they have the right to be happy. If that's the way that makes them happy, nobody can withhold it from them.
I am sure GP will be back, if she doesn't post for a while that does not mean that she is banned, she might be busy otherwise.
Again, thanks,
sincerely,
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Moore has always told the truth.
That's why the Wrong Right hates him to viciously. Really all you have to do is look at who they smear the most vehemently and you will find some of the bravest, most honest, humanitarian and patriotic people in the nation.
In one paragraph you have not only told me more than I ever wanted to know.
You have outlined and described in perfect detail the problem with why your arguments can never be recognized as anything but dividing. Gt, believe me, this is not all about you, which it always seems to end up being about in your posts. The fact that you refuse, not fail, but refuse to accept anything, any explanation, any single example of the image you project as well as your close-minedness, is illustrated in every post that you make.
But then again, Bill Maher probably would have told him where he could...sm
go stick the Freakonomics book, and that would be the end of Bill on Fox. LOL.
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