in the old days, most animals raised for consumption at least got a life while they were alive.
Posted By: fg on 2005-08-09
In Reply to: so, how is this worse than when my grandpa used to chop off a chicken's head or slit a steer or p - throat to put food on his family's table?
not anymore.
Not only are they treated with unbelieveable barbarity, the producers are destroying irreplaceable GOVERNMENT (meaning, it's OURS) owned forests and range for feed - more and more each year...not to mention the absolute filth rampant in the industry - they have them so crowded and unclean that it's a wonder MORE e.coli and other diseases aren't pandemic.
Go visit a slaughter house - any slaughter house. Yep, it's not that hard to give up meat. It is totally unnecessary in anybody's diet.
I have to admit though, when the neighbors are barbecuing a slab of pork, my mouth waters and my brain goes into DESIRE!!!
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Right on! I agree with you. It is exactly how I was raised -
and I am a mess when it comes to self-esteem, haha! In fact, the man I am with was raised so full of confidence and self-worth, he has taught me a lot.
He still has a union on his job, but you know what? He works with mostly women. They can not agree on anything. All management has to do is get them arguing about little petty stuff (which seems quite easy, I am afraid), and when it comes to any big decisions, the employees lose out because they are too busy in-fighting.
They even go against the union and do extra work WITHOUT getting paid, and then sort of 'bully' people into doing the same. A huge no-no - there should be NO sympathy for the 'corporation' or 'companies' because they in turn only take away more benefits, more money from employees.
No matter how he tries, though, he can NOT get these women to stand up for themselves in a united way, no sir, no way, uh uh.
Our cat was raised an indoor cat - she has never been out except once -sm
when I "walked" her. She was terrified to be out as she is not used to it. We have her set up with some tables/shelves by all the front windows and she has fun watching the birds and squirrels. She has a nice scratching post too and has never scratched the furniture. She also has spots she can hide out in --trundle under a bed and the upper bunk bed--so she can get way from the dogs and kids---one dog wants to eat her so we have to be real careful. We keep her in the bedroom at night in case the dogs get out of the rooms they stay in at night. But in the morning (i.e. 6 a.m.) she is meowing and scratching the door to get out of the bedroom, annoying to say the least...I expect you will hear a lot of that. I guess just try to have all the stuff I mentioned above and a lot of patience.
Hand raised...
I too tell my teens to get off the phone, bed by 10:30 usually, curfew and such. It's hard because her friends don't have curfews and she does. It's very difficult to be the "party pooper" but somebody has to.
I raised my children being an
having had their mom home. They are grown now and have their own children. I still work at home as an MT and am able to watch my granddaughter. She does not go to daycare, she goes to grandma's and says she is so much happier here.
Let them be alive and let them know help is on the way.
You never met a person who is working at a miserable job until you have met a coal miner. I grew up in a coal mining town with company houses, a company store, the "circle" (where the company bosses lived in their McMansions). These men came home and simply sat there, staring into space. Some drank too much beer, many actually. They made good money but I really do not think they felt well after 10 years in those mines as they never did anything but sleep and work and just sit there at the kitchen table or where ever their favorite place to sit was. I thought that they probably did not feel very well. Of course, this was back in the 1960s and 1970s. Maybe things have changed. Working conditions were very bad. I felt sorry for these men. They rarely talked much at all. Most seemed to end up with black lung.
That was her - raised a red flag for me too - I wish I had said something at the time nm
i'm shy too, raised an only child, like my independence
 Others do judge that, but i'm tired of justifying it to be quite honest.
Unfortunately we as women tend to be raised to think that
our lives aren't complete unless we "have a man". Men, on the other hand, are raised to value their careers, educations and be as financially successful and independent as they can be. Therein lies the problem. We're supposed to dream of a big wedding, they're supposed to dream of being president of a huge corporation.
Moms, raise your daughters to be independent, educated and successful and if someone fits into their lives after they are, that's great; and if not, so what?
I was raised in a union family.
I'm not anti-union at all. BUT, we don't have any leverage present for unionization. Between speech recognition and offshoring practices, there is no leverage for us.
I see it as a much bigger issue than just forcing MTSOs to pay more and keep work here in the US. We would have to drive down healthcare costs for hospitals and clinics and physicians all over. This is just one small piece of the pie.
As another poster down the page pointed out, unions usually start within a company. The workers of a company unionize and then grow from there.
Having been raised in a union environment and with my father having held positions in that union several years, I agree with his advice: A company will do anything to stop you from unionizing. They would fire every single one of you. They can. They have the backup to get the work done. It is not in your best interest to try to do this with your industry.
His advice when we talked about this was to just join current unions as individuals.
I agree with him.
Moderator still alive?
Indians wanting jobs on job seeker board too.
you raised a point I've been thinking about
With the use of Expanders becoming the norm now - at least from our end of things - I can't help but wonder if eventually that could really backfire on us.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if a lot of docs, hospitals, etc. really don't have a clue that a lot of the line counts they're being charged for really weren't transcribed -- and when/if they do find out, I wonder how many will have the same reaction as your doctor.
I know expanders are necessary to meet line count quotas, but where are we going to be if the clients decide they only want to pay for actual keystrokes.
I can't think. I mean to finish: wish everyone there was alive and well and the tragedy was just
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Finding Your Friend Alive
It is very possible your friend is still alive, as they are still finding people alive every day and if he is still in the area, unfortunately there is not much in the way of any phones working in these hard hit areas, so it wouldn't surprise me if he is still alive. Have you searched all of the Red Cross Shelter lists? Everyone who is at a shelter has to have their names put on a list and there are new names being added everyday.
Let's keep the misogyny alive! Yeah!
And Eve got us kicked out of the Garden of Eden because she used her "feminine wiles" on Adam and he was older than her but couldn't make his own decisions because she FORCED him to eat the apple. Take it to the religion boards.
And I thank the mothers of boys who have raised them to respect women.
dd
Die hard Eagles fan - PhillyGirl, born and raised!
Born in South Philly, now live in NorthEast Philly.
Life is life....the haven't bonded the same as if it were a 2-year-old!
nm
The patient lives with her parents, who are both alive and well.
I would hope they'd be alive. 
12 FOUND ALIVE - THE MIRACLE DID HAPPEN.
She has to be the dumbest person alive to have stayed
married to an alcoholic and drug user, and to have had children by him. She endangered the lives of those children. She is blind, says she never sees anything bad that the press reports. Maybe that is because they are sheltered and protected from any protesters so they can continue to think they are the king and queen of the world.
Sorry, I think you're all wrong. This is the sexiest man alive...!
http://newwoman.ru/pic24/antonio_sabato.jpg
Antonio!
I'll ditto that! Born/raised SFL. Living near Gville now
c
POLL: Sexiest Male Celebrity Alive?
I still go for Tom Cruise everytime! I know, he's weird, but I simply can't help it!
Open your eyes. Poverty is very much alive in our own country.
From what I read, his real mother was off the scene very very early on. Stepmom raised him
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Yes, it eats the brain and body alive trying to get back to your lines that you did on the old
platforms. After while you just disintegrate in a little heap.
Numerology, astrology, elvis is alive, space aliens:
Stuff made up by not-too-bright people with too much time on their hands.
30 hours divided by four days equals seven-hour days. Most of us have to work pretty much every day
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guess she is alive and kicking, quite hard at that! how is it we follow her books so religiously??
she designs MT pretty much as it is today, then blows it off as not cost-effective etc etc?
Will be a nurse-practitioner...but I'll keep my MTSO as long as it stays alive...
nm
Working 6/hour days, 5 days/week I make
$42,000.00, but the work is there to make more if I want to. I'm in the southeast.
For all the animals out there
Suffering, with this video they showed us what they're going through. I feel it won't be long before this information becomes mainstream and I think the majority of people who see it won't stand for it, people who have more power than us who can take strong action. I'm glad there are so many of us out there who care this much here on this board!
Different for animals?
Is ophthalmology different for animals? How many Veterinary Ophthalmogists are there around? Do dogs wear contacts? Just curious.
2000 low days, 4000 busy days
Did 43,000 lines last month. 6 doctors.
You can "make a living" if you work 16-hr days, 7 days
and if you rarely buy anything but food and the barest essentials in clothing. My balancing act is so precarious that all it'll take is one of life's little disasters (rent increase, sick pet, major car repair) to pull the rug out from under me. Not a good feeling at all.
heat and animals
Thank you for keeping your animals inside. I do too. I have three dogs, four cats and two birds and they are right by my side. I do take the dogs out in the morning and hose them down, then they come into the house (what a mess..no biggie, I can clean it up, ya know?).
Animals need help in New Orleans
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Anybody want to help the animals in New Orleans, just go to the below link and check out what you can do, many many displaced animals there that need your help.
https://www.bestfriends.org/donate/index.cfm
Leave the animals alone
And what would happen if man wasnt on the earth to keep the population of animals under control? Nature would take care of itself..Man puts its hands into things and screws up time and time again..Leave the animals alone, they will handle the population. There is enough meat in every grocery store..more than enough..leave the living, breathing, beautiful animals alone..They were not put here for us to kill or amuse ourselves with..they are sharing the earth with us.they want to live just like we want to live..Leave the animals alone.
LEAVE THE ANIMALS ALONE
Very well said, abc, I totally agree with you. Leave the animals alone.
NO !! they do NOT test on animals.
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please read if you care about animals....
A friend of mine gave me a video about 4 years ago about factory farming and the fur trade and where our meat supply comes from. Please to to Farm Sanctuary on the web for videos, books, more info. But that video turned me into a vegetarian that moment! I have always loved animals, but some reason never made the connection. They feel pain like we do. They are thinking beings as well and know when they are going to slaughter. Each vegetarian saves 80 ANIMALS A YEAR. It is appalling the way these animals are treated not to mention the chemicals and food they are fattened up with during their short lives... this is going into YOUR food chain. Sorry to get on my soap box... but I feel very passionately about this cause. If you are interested, please research it further. The videos are extremely hard to watch, but that's the point --- it wakes you up! Harm no thing. Thanks for reading. Please don't bother blasting me if you disagree. It is my opinion. It will not change. You do not have to agree.
Shoot, my animals are all cute.
My dog will jump on her hind legs and "box" with you by smacking your hands with her front paws.
My cat likes to go berserk inside cardboard boxes. He also perches on my desk and dips his paws in my betta bowl. Then he climbs all the way up the screen door and yowls if I'm outside. Typical cat behavior, I guess, but this is my first kitty so it's funny. He's a loverboy, too. He crawls up on me, sticks his head under my hair, chews my hair, bites my neck, purrs and goes to sleep.
I cannot use Mary Kay because they test on animals - sm
But I do use Estee Lauder and Oil of Olay. I consulted three dermatologists on getting Botox and they all said no way for me because I have no WRINKLES around my eyes or forehead ... at 39 years of age!
Animals have more rights than babies do!
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Feeling a little sad for you "as they are about animals"
Instead of at least quietly agreeing (or disagreeing) that this action was awful you chose to attack the poster. Don't understand why you felt you had to do it. I too am sickened by abortion, child abuse and neglect. I am also saddened that man's best friend could by the thousands be killed like that. I am not saying that it rates up there with abortion in my mind, but gosh, that was an undeniably cruel thing and it certainly causes me to give pause.
Feeling a little sad for you "as they are about animals"
Instead of at least quietly agreeing (or disagreeing) that this action was awful you chose to attack the poster. Don't understand why you felt you had to do it. I too am sickened by abortion, child abuse and neglect. I am also saddened that man's best friend could by the thousands be killed like that. I am not saying that it rates up there with abortion in my mind, but gosh, that was an undeniably cruel thing and it certainly causes me to give pause.
I think keeping animals caged
or "boxed in" and this includes, birds, snakes, turtles, and yes, keeping cats inside a house for their entire life cheats them of being able to live in their natural environment and doing what comes naturally to their species. Their exercise is greatly reduced and so is their instinctive behavior to feed, hunt or whatever it is they do. How would you like to live inside a box for your entire life? Just my opinion, you are entitled to yours.
Yes, they're all indoor animals...sm
The 4 cats they brought when we got married stay downstairs in the basement and my stepdaughter's room down there, and the rest of the animals are upstairs. Needless to say, we'll be looking for a larger house soon!
General liabilty and E&O are two different animals.
I used to sell insurance. General liability protects your companies assets when something you do causes harm to either a person or property. E&O, aka professional liability, aka Errors & Omissions comes into play when you make a mistake and/or omit something and thereby cause financial harm to your client. I can't see the need for an independent MT to carry either of these - unless you're like the one who has the government contracts. You can get a small GL only policy from Hartford for about $400 a year and they are the only ones who will write those. The E&O is closer to the $5k a year range (or more) and there is no need to do that - not when all of our work is sent through the MTSO's QA people. The MTSO holds the burden for that.
Oh my Gosh - WEGMANS has cruelty to animals??
That is the only place I will do my grocery shopping - I haven't seen the video yet, but please say it isn't soooo. There are only a few Wegmans - Where will I goooooo??!!!?!?
anyone have animals cute/quirky habits?
I live next to a manufactured lake, and there are dozens of ducks and birds hanging around there. My dog usually likes to go up to them or chase them. He also loves people, runs up to them too, very friendly and can be generally laid back. Although, when he comes across a stray feather lying on the ground, he will literally approach it like a mouse would a mouse trap, and then jump back about two or three feet, and then veer as far away around it as possible. This has been going on for a couple months, no idea why. Today, I picked up a feather and set him on my lap and brought it close to him and said "its okay" and right when I touched him with it, he squirmed, almost flipped completely in the air, and tore himself loose from his collar and ran far away from me (never does that anytime, sticks to me like glue), so now he walks around the lake like its a mine field, jumps and wimpers even if he touches a feather. The strangest thing in the world to me. 
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