holloway and prejudice

Posted By: dat on 2005-07-16
In Reply to: as a spin-off on your comment - sm

Thank you for your insightful post. Gosh..will we ever get it right?? In my life time? I sure hope so..

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Holloway
I agree with girls getting away from home and acting stupid. Just look at the video clips of the girls on spring break in the US and mom and dad think all they are doing is lying sunning on the beach somewhere. I don't think Natalie was that kind of dumb, but all it takes is one time. I was raised in Ft. Lauderdale and my friends and I used to spend time just walking the strip by the Elbo Room and Omar's just to see the guys. I went to church every Sunday, never said boo in school and never misbehaved. But, I got some attention from a good looking guy and his friends and my friends and we all wound up in their car. I was raped. I never reported it. It would have devastated my parents. Thankfully, I never got pregnant. You better believe my daughters heard the truth from me about spring break and graduation cruises. I knew better, but I just used bad, bad judgment. It could have been worse. I thank God it wasn't. So, I can look at both sides of the Aruba story. I'm sorry for the mother, but I remeber the stupidity of a 17-year-old very well.

I too am prejudice, but

my children are not. They are very accepting and liberal adn I admire them for that. I am working on it every day to try to be more accepting of differences, albeit color, religion, etc.

I have come to realize and understand that are bad seeds in every race, religion, etc.

I will never to totally free of prejudice, but I will be more open to differences and learn to keep my opinions to my self.

Prejudice
We are all prejudiced against something. To deny that would be a lie. I speak what I want in my own home. If someone recorded it and maligned me with it I would seek advice from a lawyer and proceed against them. When in my home I do it my way, speak what I want, etc. When in the home of others or the workplace I conform to societal norms as best I can. When offended, I either remain silent or excuse myself nicely. When you were with those relatives were you in your house or theirs?

The Holloway tragedy.
I so admire Beth Holloway Twitty. I could not get on the politcal board. My problem is this; in the area in which I live, a little black girl was taken into the ER, and although she has had very little press, the docs already said she was dead for 14 hours at least, she has not gotten one bit of press. What is wrong with this country when a white girl, (obviously upper-middle class) is missing and it gets such press, and a little black girl goes into the ER, already 14 hours dead at least and not one bit of press? By the way, I am white and prejudiced but I am beginning to see why black people have an attitude.

there was no prejudice in OP post
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Holloway & Twitty Families
I feel sorry for both of the families, but just because you want an answer doesn't make people guility because you think they are. Women disappear in the US ALL THE TIME and no one cares because they arent' young, blonde, and come from money. It doesn't make their lives less than Holloway's. She used bad judgment, her parents used bad judgment. Does anyone know of a 17-year-old girl who behaves "correctly" in an atmosphere like Aruba? They let their daughter go to a "foreign country" unchaperoned. They used bad judgment and now they are looking for someone to point a finger at to take the guilt off their backs. Holloway's mother has no right to throw a temper tantrum about the Aruban system. She's not in Kansas anymore!!! Said to say, but she needs to come to grips with reality.

holloway and twitty famillies
TO old TM, who is to say that natalle holloway used bad judgement, where you there? if you followed the story from the beginning, you would have known that there were chaperoned in that foreign country. I don't believe that her parent used bad judgement at all. Ana I think beth twitty has every right to point a finger, when all she is getting is a bunch of lies from the arubans, from day one.

Josh Holloway ("Sawyer" on Lost) and
George Clooney can still make me looney -- though we're all getting older ...

I have never heard anyone so outright admit to prejudice like that..sm
I used to live in Virginia. I am not prejudice, BUT what I experienced there taught me some differences. I noticed that quite a few black people DID have attitudes and were actually quite prejiduce themselves. I was very amazed at this. At one time, we had gone to a video store. All blacks running the store. Our family and another white family were there and they REFUSED to wait on this. Now, while I understand the issues of the PAST, I think it silly to blame THIS generation for what was done by ancestors in past generations. I ended up calling the district manager and the entire store was RESTAFFED from Manager DOWN. I also had a lot of black friends in Virginia. I think what it comes down to is no matter what race you are, you got some people who are ***holes and some not..black, white, asian, etc. You also have people who are prejiduce..blacks against whites, asians against black..it doesn't matter. Its very sad.

I went into this without prejudice, threw myelf actually, but it seems to get worse...
instead of better. I feel I got a pay cut with almost the same amount of work. Some jobs are great, then you get 3-4 that are heavy in editing and it ruins anything you got with a good 1 or 2.

Speaking of Aruba and Natalle Holloway from post below
It looks like the Arubans are forming a protest of their own who are offended at Mrs. Twitty and the media reporting they are not conducting a proper investigation and their system is bad while America's system of law and order allowed the sex offenders kill children in Florida and Idaho. The Aruban people have a point you know. One news person interviewed protestors and a very literate gentleman suggested Mrs. Twitty was under Aruban law and she should respect that or go home. In a short statement Mrs. Twitty seems to be backtracking after the protests after Mrs. Twitty stated the legal system allowed criminals (the two brothers) to go free and walk among its citizens and tourists. It's about time these people speak out when Americans come over and criticize their government without a clue how it works or if it is working.

Mensa AND common sense -- prejudice obviously ignorance
Oh bosh. I am a member of Mensa and a medical transcriptionist. I think it is VERY narrow minded of the whole bunch who criticize something they no NOTHING about. Mensa is simply an organization whose qualification is that you test in the top 2 percent on any of a couple of different IQ tests. High IQ and common sense are not mutually exclusive. I have two other comments: Intelligence is matriarchal (look it up) and if you would like the cheapest way of finding out your true IQ Mensa is generally the cheapest way to do it. It used to consist of 15 bucks and a Saturday morning at a university test -- but I'm sure there are more modern ways now. Contact American Mensa and find out. They are a very interesting bunch and have special interest groups which consist of just about any topic you can think of from alcoholics to chocoholics to irish dancing and beyond....