counting lines without spaces
Posted By: karen kirby on 2007-07-15
In Reply to: Line Count Method Question - Brandy
If you want to get your line count of a document just go to style and choose numbering. It will put a number in front of each line. Go to the end and see the last number and that is your number of lines! Simple as that. You can do this in the document or you can copy and paste into a new document and do it there. This is as simple as pie.
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My line including spaces is 65 characters. I've heard that not counting spaces
takes away over 35% of your line count. I believe it too because you have at least 15 or so spaces on each line that you type. Use your first sentence up top as an example; you had 77 char and 21 spaces - in that line that would be a little less than 30% of your characters that you didn't get paid for. I don't think it's worth it and wouldn't want to work without getting credit for my spaces.
They are probably not counting spaces now. NM
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how are you counting the lines?
If you are typing in Word use the Count feature. It shows char w/sp, char w/o sp, lines, blank lines. AND to clarify something - a lot of rad companies are NOT now paying per line but rather paying PER REPORT and cheap, awful rates. I just got a new Rad MT job but the majority of them out there want to pay crap per report rates. I won't take those - I am NOT typing a 40/50-line CT for $1.05-1.25. I have a per line rate on this new job and their avg report is 30-40 lines. My other 2 a/c's (one 30 MDs, other over 100) avgd about $1.90+ a report when you divided lines by # of reports.
Yes, unless they are counting the lines different than you.
I would ask about it.
You need to ask how they will be counting lines first. sm
You need to know their method of counting because all programs count differently. Practicount is a good program because it gives you many more options for counting lines or characters than most of the others. You can also set up different options for different clients.
It depends on how you are counting lines...
There is a big difference between 10 cpl gross lines and 10 cpl on a 65-char with spaces, without spaces, 75-char, 80-char, etc. I'm fortunate in that I am still paid by gross lines. How are most of your lines being counted?
counting lines by hand - pls help!
I type letters all day and need to count actual lines. MS word does not count accurately. I need just the lines typed (for ex. salutation is 1 line, signature line is 1 line, etc.) I have been doing this manually, but is a waste of time, as sometimes they are 3-page letters. I downloaded Flashcount and was hoping that I could use it right in MS Word to count the actual lines of each letter that I type without having to go to another screen, but have not been able to do that. Anyone know if this is possible or of a good program out there where this is possible??? I am not so concerned about making an invoice, just counting each line typed (no matter how many characters on that line) accurately. Thanks.
Counting lines in Word
This actually gives you way more lines than if you calculated by 65 cpl. I worked for a company for a while that did this and on one short progress note I made over $3 more than by figuring the 65 cpl way. Let's say they are paying you 7 cents a line......this is like 11 cents a line counting the regular way. This is definitely in your favor...I have done the math on this one many times. Good luck!
Softscript not counting lines correctly
Anyone else having this problem. Trying to get an answer as to why LINES are NOT being counted correctly and not one answer. The fact that our lines do not show up immediately anymore should have been our first warning. How can they GET AWAY WITH THIS. It there anyway a company can PROVE how they are counting lines. This is totally unfair and they are ripping off their MTs while fat cats sit there and get richer.
Any body has heard about counting lines a 60 bytes?
I thought line counts was characters or keystrokes. I have been approached by a MT company who say they charge as "bytes". Does anyone know how we count using bytes?
65 characters w/ spaces = ? lines
Anybody know any valid convertions? I would really like to know how many characters w/ or w/o spaces 1,000 lines converts to. Thanks for your help!
Need to count gross lines only w/o spaces, sm
Used Sylcount free download but it expired. Any alternatives. Did not like Practicount. Need to count gross lines only. How do I do that using MS Word?
Formula is: Characters PLUS spaces / 65 = lines. (nm)
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No, it is 65 character lines including spaces. The only canned text is my own.
I get mostly the same dictators on the same account every day. I do have carpal tunnel starting, so, gotta get it while I can.
Two companies, both 65 char lines including spaces, one pays 0.10/l and the other 8.5/gross line. n
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They used to not pay for spaces, but a poster here said they are getting spaces paid. Are there 2
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without spaces compared to with spaces
10 cpl without spaces equals to how many cpl with spaces?
Spaces versus no spaces....
Can someone tell me how big of a difference it makes if a company pays for spaces versus no spaces. I have only every been paid without spaces. I have been offered a position that pays for spaces, but the cpl is less than I am making now. I am not sure if getting paid for spaces will make up for the pay cut. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Aaahhhh, now I get it. Gross lines vs. Character lines. I guess I've just been conditioned to
think in terms of character lines. One of the perils of working as an IC for somebody who defines what a line is versus owning your own company and defining it yourself. After working for someone else for 15 years, maybe it's time to bust out on my own.
That is a lot of work/lines for 2 people. I do 3000 lines per day sm
if you times that by 30 days that only comes to 90K lines a month, that is working 7 days a week including weekends. I don't think 2 people can handle that.
900 lines is below 1100 lines, where the bonus starts.
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Five and counting
Because otherwise I might run out of work at the end of the pay period. My partner has 8. They are prioritized, so I work on my primary until it's empty, go to the next one, etc. Works for us.
I have 6 and counting.
It all depends where you get it as far as how much pain. Make sure it is something you REALLY want for the rest of your life. If you're getting a symbol, make sure you have the correct meaning. Make sure the shop you go to is reputable and clean.
still have my Kirby 35 yrs and counting
My FIL gave all his kids Kirby's for wedding presents and it's still going strong. Just have to have it in the shop once every few years, outlasted the kids and junk they didn't pick up before using it and now working on the grandkids. . Those things cost an arm and a leg these days, but it was free way back when.
11months and counting...
Husband's first cousin - married last MAY. Very expensive wedding at 4-star hotel downtown. You'd think she'd have the manners to acknowledge her gifts. I still cannot believe this. I don't know if I'll ever get a note. I just asked the grandmother to find out if she RECEIVED it. I know it's sneaky but it was an expensive gift and I want to know.
Thanks!...Mom & Dad for 6 years and counting!
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line counting
Is there a site out there that explains exactly what line counting is? Thank you.
Accuracy in counting
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No cook can please everyone with just one soup recipe, and no software will suit each and every user. I'm glad you found a program you really like.
We're proud of the accuracy of the counting in our software, and even have a page discussing it.
Best wishes,
Vann Joe
counting rules
I have Sylycount. Go into the software under counting rules and there you can tell it what you need it to count.
Line counting
Hi, I have a question regarding line counting. I used to know an MT who said she charged by the virtual line and was wondering if anyone knows what that is and how it differs from an actual line. Also, I was looking for a low cost/free line counting program that worked pretty well. How do you define a line? I charge for a 65 character line, is that what most of you do? Thanks,
D
Line counting: Is there a way
approximate # of lines? I am very curious. I am unable to see the # of lines I type daily using the system we use. I love the company I work for and trust them as the number of jobs and number of minutes are usually higher than what I come up with each pay period but would like to see how the number of lines calculate between the two of us. Thank you in advance.
Line counting
I have yet to find a decent line counting program. What does everyone else use? Do you count a line as 65 characters or 55 and with or without spaces?
Thanks,
Line counting
Anyone use a line counting program given to you by your MTSO to track your line count.....and it ends up that the line count is different from there's? Shouldn't the line counts be exact since the company issued their own program?
The program works with MS Word's count, and their reasoning is that Word counts differently on different computers. Say what???
I've been a Transcriptionist for 14 years and this is a first. I've worked for several MTSOs and my lines have always been the same. Is MS Word that inaccurate on their counts on different computers?
Nope, 20+ and counting but
my DH drives an 18 wheeler and his hearing is not all that good.
Line counting
I work as an IC for a company. When I type my document I go into Tools and use the Word Count and divide by 55 (that's what my company pays by) giving me my line count.
However, when I get my paycheck it is considerably less than what I anticipated. Is the MS word count not adequate to go by?
DOes anyone feel it is necessary to have their own line counting program?
Line counting
Thanks so much. That's very good information to have. Thank you again.
Line counting
I am an IC who uses flashcount to count lines. How do you decide how to count, i.e., per 55 characters, per 65 characters, etc. Thx.
Line counting
If you have your own accounts, you can do as you please. Industry "standard" at the moment is 65 characters with spaces. I say standard, but there is really no such thing, it is merely that most of the companies out there pay that way.
I have been offered 6.5 cents for a 37-character line strict, no spaces (only black characters). I have been offered on 55 characters too. I have even been paid by the byte line in DOS, which made for a rude awakening when I had to transition to Word and a 65-character line! There are also gross lines, which is everything on a line is a line, though these are often more than 65 character spaces across.
The way this count came about is that in DOS in Courier font and I think it is 12 pt, there are 65 character spaces if an 8 x 10 sheet is used with 1 inch margins. Courier gives you the same space size for each character, whereas something like Times New Roman varies the space size depending on the character, i.e. an L has less space than a D and so on.
You could call other services in your area and ask about their line rates and counting methods, but don't be too surprised if you are rudely treated. Most small local MTSOs don't take kindly to being interrupted at work to talk to a competitor. Otherwise, you are on your own to charge what the market will bear for your services and you are free to count the lines anyway you wish.
Personally, if I were to have my own accounts, I would use Abacus to count lines and I would count every keystroke including hard returns and spaces, tabs and any other key I used because I personally believe this is how it should be, a keystroke line, not a character and spaces line.
I'm over the 3rd decade and counting
This really has to do with the people you work for. My hospital job outsourced, first company who had it was horrible as far as QA. They IMd you to death, you had no time to work, horrible, horrible, picky all the time. Ok, another company has the very same account now and it is pure heaven. You ask for feedback and you get. Most of the time you are left completely alone, no one micromanaging and pure bliss for me. Same work, different companies. I am very happy with my work, the company I work for, not miserable much less moody. Work can be very stressful if the company wants to make it that way. Need to change if you are having those kinds of issues. By the way, used to straight type everything but now I do mostly editing and loving it.
I still have the b-days, but I'm counting
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line counting
You go to tools, word count, then look at the number of lines and divide by 65, then multiply by your line rate. The company I worked for took the number of lines and just multiplied it by the line rate. That's how I made out so good. They did not divide by 65 cpl.
Right On Counting Reports...sm
I've found that true in setting daily/weekly goals for myself. Instead of concentrating on line acounts all the time (and taking time out for looking them up) I'll set maybe 20 (or 25 if I have to make up lines) reports as a daily goal. Counting lines can get frustrating if you get a string of short reports or the line counter is behind in counting. I'll check my lines, though, after maybe 10 or so reports just to see how I'm doing, so naturally, however, the lines take care of themselves.
Gross lines include all lines containing
printable characters, so a full line and a line with one word on it are charged equally. Straight lines are basically the same as gross lines, but with this method of counting the blank lines are counted as well (again, equally). I have only had one company pay this way, and they are a middle man. I would think the charge would be about the same as for gross lines, and that not too many offices will want their lines counted this way (the one I worked on was probably inherited from someone who had counted the lines that way, so just continued).
The norm is 1 minute = 10 lines; 10 min = 100 lines - sm
granted this varies per dictator. More lines if a fast talker, less if a slow talker.
I went from 2400 lines to 1800 lines
a day when I switched from clinic (through an MTSO) to hospital work. Not only was the clinic work easier with more macros (and less providers to learn, 12 vs 300+), but I was typing in straight Word (as opposed to Softmed/Chart Script). So you see, it really varies depending upon the type of work as well as the platform used. That said, I am so much happier typing the 1800 lines per day (I make over $15 per hour plus an incentive for any lines in excess of 1200 per day) plus a great health package/benefits, AND approximately 5 weeks of paid time off per year. In my opinion, hospitals really are the best employers WHEN they appreciate the work we do.
My advice for you is not to judge a job by any one criterion but rather the entire picture. The 'extra's can really add up.
Good luck in your job!
Which is the one where they are sc*&ing us the standard lines or the qualified lines? SM
Mine show up as STD when I pull up my transcription log. But I see now there is STD/QT.... So which is the one where they are ripping us off, standard or qualified? Need to know. I am about to switch companies and I will not do if they are actually taking lines from me. Thanks guys.
Line Counting Programs
I was wondering what line counting program is most commonly used by I.C. I had been using Abacus, but unfortunately it causes a fatal error with word, so I quit using it. Downloaded the trial version of Slycount and their count is about 7-10 lines higher than Abacus. I have set up Slycount to count exactly the same as Abacus. So, I cannot figure out the problem. So, I am looking for others opinions regarding the counting program they are using, pros and cons.
I work using MS Word XP
Thanks,
Cheryl
looking for line counting software
 What do you use for line counting software? I am currently using Total Assistant Pro. It was counting accurately when I first purchased it. I even downloaded the free trial version to make sure it counted accurately before purchasing. (I charge by the straight line no matter how many characters are on it!). I'm not getting anywhere with support.
About 15,000 not counting "normals"/Shorthand
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About 50K in debt not counting mortgage. nm
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