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common sense dictates you read the writing on the wall. technology has made you obsolete.

Posted By: mqmt on 2005-08-01
In Reply to: I disagree. If you ALLOW this industry to go in the toilet and move to another - career, what will happen sm

and the government has seen to it that american workers are no longer necessary and allows business to outsource many middle income jobs. 


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    is this the writing on the wall for us? is there nothing we can do??
    are we being sold-out by our own profession?
    I saw the writing on the wall with them
    More than 2 years ago I decided to quit lining their pockets with my hard-earned money to support their "garden party" mentality and grossly overpriced coferences that are too expensive for the average MT to attend (come on, do we really need an annual meeting in Hawaii???). I dropped my membership after more than 10 years of seeing no action, hearing of secret meetings, never ending in-fighting, and just a general attitude of them thinking it was up to the average working MT to support their grand "hobby" of being a board member while they sat around accomplishing nothing year after year.
    Could this be the writing on the wall for the US MTs...

    Whoever is responsible for this current economy in my opinion has just done us in...


    This is from an Indian company (if you go to their site check out their job openings, all in India)


    See below: 


    With the economy in the US showing ‘no’ signs of recovery and with the ‘fourth’ largest bank going bust, companies which earlier had said an emphatic ‘no’ to outsourcing, will have to rethink.

    High Capital Costs


    The burgeoning ‘operational’ costs a company based in the US incurs for basic back office functions such as payroll processing, accounting, distribution and other important functions adds to the high capital cost of a product or service rendered by companies there.

    A new ‘strategy’

    A new mind-set is the need of the hour; entrepreneurs need to harness new technologies, outsource assembly lines across the globe to offset the high labor costs  at home, this trend adopted by some of the companies a couple of years ago has turned the corners for them, ever since they started moving some of their tasks to overseas companies based in India, operational cost were reduced by one third.

    Internet the ‘messiah’

    The vast avenues of communication made possible by Internet has made it possible for enormous levels of information that is exchanged, unlike the pre-Internet days where communication was possible only through a telephone, a fax or a personal face-to-face meeting, now entire board room meetings can be held on the Internet regardless of the physical presence of members.

    Cost ‘benefits’ of outsourcing

    When a company based in the US ships a $14 to $15 an hour transcription job assignment to India where a transcriber is paid just $1 an hour, consider the cost benefits the company will receive, in comparison to the in-house service maintained by the company.

    How will ‘US’ benefit from outsourcing

    US companies will be able to enjoy reduced costs, and the large profits that will result can be re-invested in new ventures or expanding the existing ones, thus the outsourced new contractors can in fact create new markets for American products, and displaced US workers will have the opportunity to find newer jobs in vibrant new enterprises. The US companies will have the advantage of developing newer products with better features and thus antiquated products or services can be handled by the ‘contracted’ offshore companies.

    Advantage of a different time zone of an ‘offshore’ company :

    The operations of a US based company will never come to a stand-still, even after the staff has left for the day, the off-shore company based in India will take over and complete your unfinished task, thus projects get a round-the-clock attention, giving the companies an effective lead in completing projects with a quick turn-around-time. Client is therefore assured of an ‘on time’ delivery of his project, and in the bargain the company will have the benefit of maintaining the customer retention ratio.

    Why choose ‘transcriptionstar.com’ as your vendor

    As a transcription company we have the process expertise and an effective track record of experience and knowledge, we also are very flexible in adapting to newer technologies and since our operations are India based, where employ wages are one fifth of the their counterpart’s in US, an effective price advantage can raise profit margins of US companies to new heights.

    Avert ‘Costs’ from sneaking up and corrode ‘Savings’:

    medicaltranscriptionsservice.com can effectively ensure that companies outsourcing transcription requirements to us can save 40% to 50% on costs, whether it is for applications for Business Transcriptions, Media Transcriptions, Legal Transcriptions or Medical Transcriptions, we are the ‘source’  that you can ‘outsource’ and avert costs from sneaking up and corrode savings.

    Advantage outsourcing from India:

    With a vast reservoir of English speaking university graduates and a vibrant democracy, India can virtually ‘clone’ the operations of US companies at one fifth of the cost, and still maintain the standards of quality required by clients in the US, remember it is time to act now than wait, ‘outsourcing’ is the solution.

    “A Stitch in Time saves nine”


    Writing on the Wall
    I went to their website.  I could not find any link for job openings nor could I find any of this text on their website.  Where did it come from, am I missing something?
    It sounds as if the writing is on the wall where you are now so...
    It might be a good time to move to a national. Many of them do offer benefits, and if you are fast and accurate, you can make okay money. It might be just what you need if you are as stressed at work as it sounds like you are. I do like having my own private bathroom, being able to work in shorts and T-shirts, and take breaks when I need to. My final decision to work from home came when my last boss started monitoring the time we spent in the bathroom!
    I think the writing was pretty much on the wall on
    The docs who don't know anything about what we do, or it's value, and only see now many cpl they pay, should probably be dropped as soon as you can find a better account to replace them, not waiting 'til they drop you.

    I've always believed very strongly that the complaining customer that always wants a deal, but doesn't EARN that deal, is not worth having. I'm sure he was alot more trouble to type for than what he was worth. 10 cents per 65-character line is the very least any of us should accept. If a doc ever tries to gyp me down to a 9 cpl, I'll tell him that's too bad, and to give me a call when he comes up with that extra penny.
    DO NOT WRITE IT OFF! Writing it off is too common.
    Companies who do not pay are becoming more common now and believe it or not, some of these companies are well known to the MTs and many are too afraid to say anything. Follow through. I would certify a letter to the company with a return receipt and give them 5 days to get it to you and if it is not there by then, pursue small claims court being that I do not believe the labor board would be involved in this. Go to small claims court, pay the fee and have them served.
    Technology has made it so much easier for dishonest people to
    take advantage of others. On the internet you can be Miss America, you can be a millionaire, you can be a movie star, you can be anything you want to tell people you are and these services are a breeding ground for people like this.

    No thanks.

    I'll size people up in person, at face value like anyone should who has nothing to hide.

    Normal people don't have to resort to hiding themselves behind a monitor.
    Thanks, of course I used common sense...sm

    before I posted and waited until not only after the press release but after the details came out. We were carefully briefed early on on the details of what was and wasn't okay.


    My daughter is going out of her skin waiting to hear.  She loves history and current events at school, particularly the mock elections, etc.  I just think it is a wonderful opportunity to give her this early in life. I hope it makes a huge impression if she gets to go as far as the importance of exercising her right to vote, etc.


    I think this is common sense to the
    I believe what she is saying is how to get relief NOW, since perhaps she does not have the funds to pay them?  She cannot very well take a time machine back one year and save up the money now can she? 
    Seems like common sense
    The negative effects on our health really does seem like common sense.  I love the peace and quiet of working nights, and in the days when I used to work graveyard shift outside of my home, I loved going to the grocery store and running other errands early in the morning when places were was less crowded.  But, I have to admit that working nights kind of leaves me with less than an energetic, healthy feeling.  Through trial and error, the best compromise that I've found for me is to make sure that I sleep at the same time every day, whether or not I am off work for that day, and make sure that I get 5 hours or more of sleep during the dark hours.  I've found that the rhythm of this plan has made all the difference, which is no surprise.  This, of course, is easiest to do in the wintertime.
    Is this not common sense?

    I think maybe my first month or so of doing MT I would actually try to look up stuff as I came to it.  It doesn't take long to figure out that is the WORST way to do it.


     


     


     


    Why not? Just common sense.
    x
    This is common sense...
    He means exactly what EMR means electronic medical record.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  There are many benefits to medical records being electronic.  Research it and you will find out for yourself. 
    Again, common sense....

    It is not already implemented at many facilities, yet at others it is; thus, the desire to implement it universally.  Below is an excerpt from Wiki regarding EMR.  This should clear things up for you.  Also, spend a few moments reading the second paragraph.  It clearly explains that EMR is an electronic medical record, and the means of achieving that final electronic state are many, some of which include templates, VR and traditional transcription.  So, tell me again, EMR automatically means a point-and-click system?


    As of 2006[update], adoption of EMRs and other health information technology, such as computer physician order entry (CPOE), has been minimal in the United States, in spite of studies showing revenue gains after implementation.[2] Fewer than 10% of American hospitals have implemented health information technology,[3] while a mere 16% of primary care physicians use EHRs.[4] The vast majority of healthcare transactions in the United States still take place on paper, a system that has remained unchanged since the 1950s. The healthcare industry spends only 2% of gross revenues on information technology, which is meager compared to other information intensive industries such as finance, which spend upwards of 10%


    Pricing for EMR systems is highly dependent on each practice's unique needs. Because every medical practice has distinct requirements, systems usually need to be custom tailored. This is due to the majority of EMR systems being based on templates that are initially general in scope. In many cases, these templates can then be customized in co-operation with the vendor/developer to better fit data entry based on a medical specialty, environment or other specified needs. There are also EMR systems available that do not use templates for data entry and therefore can be easily personalized by each individual user. Alternative data entry methods include concept processing, voice recognition, and transcription.


    That takes common sense - LOL - nm
    nm
    lack common sense, one's I have met..nm


    Must be genius, cause if I had common sense, I would have
    I like your theory though and have often in truth considered it as an explanation myself.
    Exactly!! Finally some common sense
    here. We're professionals, not some hired hand slave. Not too much to ask, for a doctor to dictate something right the first time. No seriously, 40% of this dictation is "correction."
    DUH? Thats common sense. Not in the mood that day, so chose to be

    Just as your points are logical common sense... sm
    so also is the obvious reality from past performance of MQ, that you will likely not be happy there.. and need to find another place to work... you will not change the fact that because so many are "on to them" they are hiring anyone willing to work in those positions.. the only thing you CAN change is YOUR situation. You will find these same people who irritate you.. in oher places also.. but the only way you will escape the problems you have mentioned..is to leave where they are prevalent. There are many jobs posted.
    Not mentioning an account is just common sense and I would not

    hire her if I was in that position and would fire her if she was already hired.  If she sees nothing wrong when mentioning what accounts a company has then that is a HUGE problem.  It doesn't matter if nothing negative was said, if account specifics weren't mentioned, it is just COMMON SENSE and an unwritten rule that you don't tell what accounts a certain company has. 


    the reason? *no common sense* quote...nm
    x
    COMMON SENSE far more important in life...nm
    x
    common sense tells me as an IC no takes are taken ouf and if ----
    that is true about owing CA taxes - you would pay them the same way you handle Federal and the state you live in.

    They are not to take ANYTHING out unless you are an SE or full out employee. ICs, no.
    IMO, in the real world common sense is better to have than a high IQ. nm
    :+
    Mensa AND common sense -- prejudice obviously ignorance
    Oh bosh.  I am a member of Mensa and a medical transcriptionist.  I think it is VERY narrow minded of the whole bunch who criticize something they no NOTHING about.  Mensa is simply an organization whose qualification is that you test in the top 2 percent on any of a couple of different IQ tests.  High IQ and common sense are not mutually exclusive.  I have two other comments:  Intelligence is matriarchal (look it up) and if you would like the cheapest way of finding out your true IQ Mensa is generally the cheapest way to do it.   It used to consist of 15 bucks and a Saturday morning at a university test -- but I'm sure there are more modern ways now.   Contact American Mensa and find out.  They are a very interesting bunch and have special interest groups which consist of just about any topic you can think of from alcoholics to chocoholics to irish dancing and beyond.... 
    NO - common sense does not dictate that, the STATE in which you live does!
    In my state, NO I do not have to have a business license unless I have clients in my state, which I do not. So, therefore, I do not have to have a license! I have checked with my attorney, my state office, and my State Representative to be sure I was receiving the correct answers and all said the same thing!

    So, my advice to anyone asking is contact your State office.
    As Dr. Phil says, "Let's get back to common sense."
    If you see red flags, hear bells and whistles, or alarms going off in your head..listen to it. If your already hearing the excuses as to why they aren't getting paid on time, why be one of those waiting on your check...It is kind of like seeing a train coming down the track right towards you and somehow you convince yourself you can dodge it. I'm sure others have tried before you. Excuses will never pay your bills. Listen to your gut, go with common sense and the rest works out. Just my opinion...
    I've never used any particular guidlines, just common sense paired with on job experience.....nev

    wondering


    Its just an unwritten rule and common sense; you better home Amphion is not watching - sm
    I am sure they can put 2+2 together and figure out who you are and withdrawal their offer if they so chose. It's just not good business to say who has what.
    That made absolutely no sense..i rest my case..dumb MTs!
    x
    Gotta read the whole thing, says supposedly good sense...
    …Did not say they did....supposedly and do 2 different things- right?
    Thank you. Just read it and made

    When I opened your message to read it, I saw something that made me chuckle. SM
    At the top of the page, there was an ad defining Alzheimer's disease (with an apostrophe) from alzheimersconcern.com. We're probably the only one's following this new guideline. I wonder how many people read these apostropheless terms we are now mandated to transcribe and actually do think we're nuts. Even if it is correct, and I do understand the reasoning behind leaving the apostrophe off, it still doesn't help our image any, at least in my opinion. Just a thought.
    Zero. But I made coffee, checked my email, read the boards,
    and fed the critters already.  LOL
    Sense of humor intact! Sense of hope as well! LOL

    Yep, I knew it was advice, and I appreciate ALL points of view as it gives me perspective.  8-)  I've been reading the boards for a while now, and I realized that I'd get the good, the bad, and the ugly, and that's okay! 


    However, I specifically asked for advice about how to do it rather than whether to do it, though, as I've already decided to defy the odds and give it a go. 


    Enjoyed the NCLB reference, by the way! 


    WILL NEVER BE OBSOLETE
    OP: I am sorry your question has caused such a stir, as you can see, people are very passionate about this profession. I have been in the field for a little over 20 years and can't see doing anything else. I am NOT CMT and probably never will be. I don't think it matters as far as the pay scale. But the other post is very proud to be CMT and we should respect that. I envy the ladies who have taken the time and money to be certified, I think it is great. It is just not for me. I get good jobs without it. As far as VR putting us out of business? Not possible. There are still docs who dictate to tapes, there will always be docs who want to do it the old fashioned way. I wouldn't worry about it not being around. They said that about us 10 years ago, and we are all still here. I would say stick with it, the more you sharpen your skills and improve your creaft, you will be proud, just like our other posts. Hope this helps.
    WE WILL NEVER BE OBSOLETE
    OP: I am sorry your question has caused such a stir, as you can see, people are very passionate about this profession. I have been in the field for a little over 20 years and can't see doing anything else. I am NOT CMT and probably never will be. I don't think it matters as far as the pay scale. But the other post is very proud to be CMT and we should respect that. I envy the ladies who have taken the time and money to be certified, I think it is great. It is just not for me. I get good jobs without it. As far as VR putting us out of business? Not possible. There are still docs who dictate to tapes, there will always be docs who want to do it the old fashioned way. I wouldn't worry about it not being around. They said that about us 10 years ago, and we are all still here. I would say stick with it, the more you sharpen your skills and improve your creaft, you will be proud, just like our other posts. Hope this helps.
    1st is obsolete
    x
    being obsolete.......
    I have been told to watch out, my career is going since I started. When and if that happens, I will move on to to the next new thing, until then I work hard and I have a good life. If I can do it, anyone can do it. Don't give in to negativity or naysayers.
    Are they becoming obsolete? tia (nm)
    nm
    I don't think we are obsolete but (sm)
    I think the major MT companies are not going to hire the real experienced folks and pay them what they are worth. I think to make the money you are going to have to get with a hospital, office or company that still does actual MT and not automated stuff. We are always going to be needed. My opinion is the money now is shifting back to the "in house" places and not the at home services. But the bottom line is the services are settling for "second rate" MTs who put out inferior work after 1 year experience and don't care.

    I have been an inpatient 63 times in the last 10 years and I always get my records after a hospital stay. I can tell you the quality is horrendous. The MTSOs are treating MTs (not all of them but the majority) as robots and like the medical field itself it has all become about the "money" and not the patient.

    Pharmacy technology has a lot of automated things too but the demand for pharmacy techs is high. Plus there are pharmacy techs that work in compounding pharmacies, hospital pharmacies that put together TPN and other things. That cannot be done by a robot and that is where I intend to use my skills. Also registered pharmacy techs work for the insurance companies too. I intend to find a job working for the patient not against patients. If nothing else, I have thought about putting all this together and staring my own consulting service....(just like the independent case managers that help chronically ill patients get what they need) fighting to get patient's the drugs they need and not the drugs some insurance company wants them to take because that is what cheap but not the best.

    Its still possible to make a living in these fields and be satisfied with your job also but its a long road and you gotta fight!
    I am becoming obsolete!

    I have been a Transcriptionist for 18+ years, the last 12 for a large hospital. About a year ago, "they" changed the definition of a line so that it was much harder to make incentive. They said they had been figuring the line wrong and that they were now going with industry standards. They have never been very specific about how a line is counted, but we did go from a 70 to a 65 space line. We currently get paid hourly plus incentive. We are now waiting to hear if we are getting outsourced, with the possibility of working for that company, or if they will keep us themselves and just pay per line, and you can bet they will pay us as little as possible. I work in-house, and they no longer want to take into consideration downtime, even though we have to answer phones and troubleshoot for doctors!


    I completely understand transcription is changing, largely due to voice recognition and other computer advances. If they said they were paying us less because of that, rather than trying to make us produce more for less pay, we would all appreciate the honesty rather than trying to make us look and feel bad. I am good at what I do, but I guess I am becoming obsolete!


    I don't think MT will ever be totally obsolete.

    Speech recognition will get better, but it will never be perfect.  There is always going to be the need for someone to type the reports of the dictators that absolutely cannot be understood by the SR software.  But that means that the only thing left to be transcribed will be the garbage.  I can't imagine 8 hours a day of nothing but garbage dictation every single working day for the rest of my career for what they're paying us.


    we are definitely obsolete, and hanging on sm
    by a thread. The old timers who are only hanging on for a few years will make it, but nothing for a newcomer to think of getting into. AHDI will make will make wild claims and try to intice, but it is pure BS. No money here any more, any way.
    There's a shortage of US MT's because the skill is becoming obsolete

    Schools don't even encourage anyone to get into this field anymore because they don't want to have someone take a course and then be out of work in a few years when this skill goes the same direction that shorthand did several decades back.


    Like someone said on the Company board, education is the key.  Don't allow yourself to be a one-trick pony and learn how to do something else while you can.


    s-wall of bladder
    In a laser lithotripsy report I'm hearing, "gravel from prior S-wall in the bladder" and "pieces down there from prior S-wall". I know there is no S-wall, so what could it be? Thanks!
    Hitting the wall

    Hi fellow MTs:


    Just wanting opinions.  I find some days, my fingers/brain are really "on" with transcribing, but then I have other days, where reaching my line count is a struggle.  Obviously, I'd prefer to all "on" days and I'm wondering if any of you have suggestions on being "on" more than off.


    Thanks in advance and happy typing!


    Hitting the wall
    Thanks to my fellow MT's for these suggestions. I'll have to try the classical music.

    Have a great day!
    I have to vent! ASR is driving me up the wall!
    When I was started on ASR, I was told it was strictly "voluntary" and that if I did it, I would get a "mixture" of ASR reports and straight MT.  Well, not the case.  Now everyone has to learn ASR and every report I get is ASR-- even the most horrible of horrible dictators.  I keep fixing the same mistakes over and over and ASR has "learned" nothing from the corrections.  I still think it is all a ploy to put ALL the dictators on it, no matter how bad they are, just so we will make the same per line as the Indians.  My last shift, I had exactly ONE very short report that was not on ASR and all the rest were.  Just as soon as I can find another job, I am out of MT altogether.  They have totally ruined what used to be a good profession with all their "progress".  Well, they can have it!