You CAN NOT defend your use of the shock collar
Posted By: Scribbles on 2007-11-25
In Reply to: Yeah, money, that's it. I paid $20.00 for my dog. Money is NOT THE ISSUE - I feed him Eukanuba, clean up his poop daily,
THAT's why you may choose not to respond again.
Your "defense" above is stunning. No doubt you love your dog and take good care of him/her. But you ARE still using pain to control your pet when there ARE OTHER METHODS that don't involve pain.
Dismiss our points all you want - at the end of the day you chose to take the easy way out with regard to solving the barking problem.
WE who don't use pain to teach make YOU sick? Give me a royal break.
I posted a simple way to teach your dog not to bark - did you even bother to read it?
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Be careful using that shock collar as it is negative reinforcement. Dogs bark for a reason, learn to read their barks, could be warning of an intruder nearby, or something like a critter approaching their territory. Get books on clicker use & treats.....they can learn words like "quiet", "settle". Takes some time to train but worth it in long run. I have 3 German Shepherds 2 outdoors in kennel, always keep 1 inside....wonderful deterrent. They only bark when something is going on.
I dont use shock collars but do use a citronella collar
I have a big dog and know that people use what they know will work. Personally I have had some well meaning yet not very knowledgeable person stop me as I walk my very large dog and rip me a new SS-hole for using a prong collar. Note prong collars are very humane when used correctly.
Personally I would not use a shock collar but I have not done any homework on them either. I would be afraid of one of my children getting a shock or something like that however I am sure you have done your homework. BUT I would like to share what I have found that works. My dog wears a Citronella collar and it works wonderfully and with no danger to anyone else or himself. I have attached a link with a write up on them as well as a site that has them on sale if you are interested.
article about
http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/96/6.6.96/barking.html
where to buy
http://www.worldpetstore.com/abcitbarconc.html
Again not trying to say your choice is wrong just offering another option you might not have considered. Hope you and yours have a wonderful thanksgiving.
Antibark collar
The can idea does work but you have to be there. With the collar, the dog gets the correction whether or not I am standing there.
again I must ask, to whom must one defend where one
 Am I wrong here? As long as it is clean and well kept, who the heck cares if it's a flippin' trailer or a mansion? People can be sooo superficial! Get a grip here. Are we all not adults? I thought this kind of stuff only went on in junior high school!
no...it is you and you alone trying to defend --sm
your rude and evil ways...like I said above...I will give you my email address and you can go one on one with me...but I suspect you are not woman enough. come on...I am ready and waiting....lol.
is there anyone out there to defend the BOS?
I'm a relative newbie, so I don't want to weigh in with an opinion as to the good or bad of the BOS. I have it and the samples in the back were quite helpful when I first started.
I worked for a company briefly at the beginning of the year that was all about the BOS. I got dinged for stylistic things often enough that I started to stress about the style of the report to the point where I was making content mistakes. My line count was crap. I don't work there any more.
I tried using a figure-8 clavicle collar once...sm
You can get them at the drug store probably. It just goes around your shoulders and crosses in the back to keep the shoulders back, used to keep clavicles aligned when fractured. But for some reason, it made me nauseous. I think the hunching just comes with the territory of being curved over a keyboard for hours and hours and hours a day...
Get a soft neck collar and try
Roll up a towel and put it under your neck when you sleep for support. If you don't get a collar you can also use a rolled towel and pin it while you're working.
Neck pain is horrible. Good luck
It still happens, mostly in blue collar jobs,
jobs,too, but not as much. The employer tells them they are IC, but there are still many people out there who don't understand what that exactly means. All they see is the extra money on their paycheck and they figure they'll worry about the taxes later, or don't fully understand the implications of being IC and don't know what a 1099 is. Rack it up to immaturity or being naive, but it still happens. The IRS has cracked down in recent years and has it's criteria for IC status, which doesn't apply to everyone (look at real estate agents, who can only work for one broker, but yet be an IC). It is beneficial to the employer because it saves the employer money on the SS 'match', plus savings on work comp insurance, unemployment taxes, liability insurance. To me, being an IC means I don't have an employer - I have a customer and I must do the work they hired me to do or I will lose that customer to someone else.
why in the world would you have to defend
Not to defend someone whose beliefs
I don't agree with (I'm not bashing her, I simply do not share the same religious beliefs -- I am a Christian)....but she is right, Christians have a habit of re-writing these holidays and make them into what they find acceptable. The origin is what matters. It is, in fact, her holiday......something that I for one have no desire to partake.
easy for you to defend those who
take our jobs, until you are the one who gets pink-slipped.
Pet collar for surgery. I found this neat
collar for my dog who just had surgery. It works better than one of those cones. It is called a no-bite cervical collar for pets. They are available on the internet.
collar that OP may find works in her situation.
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You aren't allowed to defend yourself here. sm
If you do, then you are name-calling, even though you just respond to a simple question. If you quit answering them, maybe they will go away. :) Have a nice day!
You simply have to leave the collar on. Take it off now and again for a few minutes of supervised
play, stopping him from licking his wounds. He'll be better before you know it! Woof!
I defend her for being out there while you were yoda'd out on the couch laughing at her. :) nm
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Mary, don't feel like you need to defend yourself or your questions...
Some people are just plain rude and maybe need a second job to occupy their time instead of lurking on this board waiting to make a nasty comment.
I was surprised when I first saw that too.
I haven't had to defend it, but I totally agree!
In fact, I've even gone so far as to say that the crappy wages are, in part (but ONLY in part, mind you) made up for by the fact that my commute is about 15 feet, my work wardrobe is pajamas, and NO OFFICE POLITICS!
I once heard someone explain the difference between an introvert and an extrovert. The extrovert can only recharge in the company of other people, and the introvert can only recharge alone. Works for me.
And I keep my phone ringer turned off most of the time. Hey, I'm paying for the thing, I will decide when to use it or not!
It's a bus, not a truck load of nuclear waste. It's a blue collar job,
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Shock
is more like it. U can definitely tell who the "favorite" is. Just makes me SICK, (excuse me while I vomit). Okay, better now. Sure hope for a new job soon. Have sent out plenty of resumes, anything has got to be better than this.
Yeh, I was in shock, how could they?
I guess this is the last season? What an awful way to go out. blah! 
This was a shock to me.....
My DH works in public education and some stupid kids have gotten hold of his cell phone number and have made prank calls over the past few months. They've blocked their number so we can't trace it. The cell phone company can see the number but won't divulge it due to privacy rights. Recently they've gotten our home phone number and have called a couple times. Nothing threatening, just stupid kid prank call stuff. Our home phone company doesn't record incoming calls, so no luck there either. Last night I got a very WEIRD phone call late at night which was a text relay call from a computer, much like the TTY calls that the deaf make. The relay operator just reads what it typed. This call was vulgar and sexual. We just hung up. After a little research I find out that these relay calls are not recorded in any fashion, so you can not find out who made them. The laws TOTALLY protect the privacy of the caller. Even the police cannot trace them. Can you believe that these operators have to relay ANYTHING under the umbrella of privacy, even death threats, not to mention sexual stuff. I am in shock. From what a read, it would take an act of congress to stop this. It just seems like the criminal has all the protections and the victim has nothing. Upside down world. Have you ever heard of these relay calls? I had not.
Yep, a big shock . . .
Should we take bets? Is he dead? I think not.
Wow!! I'm in shock...
I transcribed a Hospice note earlier today. The patient is a 99-year-old woman with end-stage coronary artery disease. She lives in adult foster care. The caregivers at the adult foster care have a problem with Hospice for some reason and are threatening to raise this woman's rent by $1000.00 per month if she goes on Hospice. UNREAL!!
Anyway, Hospice will contact the proper law enforcement agency if this happens as it is discrimination...but I just couldn't believe what I was hearing when I transcribed it.
Also in shock....sm
I thought it would be Chris as well, especially since he always seemed to have pretty good performances and reviews by the judges. He is definitely the best singer.
shock value? nn
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It is not a shock that they want their
employees to work their scheduled hours.
That was a shock until I listened
to a video by MSN. Rumor has it that the show was fixed and Chris was going to win it - according to the judges, especially Simon. In order to prove the rumor was wrong - bye-bye Chris. Check on the video, it makes you wonder. Catherine should have been voted off.
Test the shock on yourself first - here's why
My friend put a shock collar on her dog without testing it - and the dog surely was quiet -- WHILE he was strangling to death on a trapped lead.
Frankly, using a shock collar is cruel and selfish - but if you must inflict pain to control your animals (versus just TRAINING them to be quiet!) at least test the shock on yourself to be sure its not stronger than you intend.
Here's one way to train a dog to be quiet - as told to me by a professional dog trainer: When my dogs were in their crate for the night - they would whine/bark for my attention. This trainer had me run out to the crate and bang THE CRATE and yell 'quiet' at the crate - not the dog.
I asked why does this work?
Answer: Would YOU want to invite (with barking) that crazy person back to your crate? Dogs don't like this type of noise - and they learn to associate barking with someone banging on their crate.
I had to do it just twice in one night- and after that just the command "QUIET" worked.
lucky to live in a trailer park where she has to defend her way of living?
I would pack up and move if I had to defend where I lived and I would not consider myself lucky.
OMG! I was in shock for about 10 minutes first time I saw that!
Weird, but funny
Shock is abusing whether you intend it or not
and as to the better MANNERS challenge, what does that have to do with anything? You can have a well-mannered dog *without* painfully shocking it into submission.
Sometimes shock collars are what works.
If you aren't shocking your dog for the fun of it, you aren't abusing them. Would you rather the dog have to get its voice box removed? I've seen it for chronic barkers whose owners are cited for noice complaints when nothing else has worked.
not a shock - they were bought or joined up with Healthscribe
who has a huge office in India and does not make it a secret that they outsource. Healthscribe also got into a bit of trouble a couple of years ago for "altering" lines on US transcriptionists;
Shock collars are cruel on animals.
You can teach dogs not to bark without using shock treatments.
I heartily agree with the other poster. You have the shock of your life coming SM
anyway, why involve children in it? 
Honestly, good luck to you. But you can't take care of your kids and be a good transcriptionist, let alone make any money, not at first.
I'll go! I'll go!! I won't take hormones and will be ready to defend your honor :) n/m
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