Yeah and have no ESLs or stupid
Posted By: nurses or PAs who *um* and *uh* all day (nm) on 2005-12-21
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Yeah, you make a lot of sense! Stupid.
Yeah, we are immature. I find it funny that you think people who enjoy their jobs are immature and have multiple personality disorders. So wake up ugly and go find a shrink.
Stupid is as stupid does, says Forrest...
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Yeah, yeah, that should be "your work..."
STUPID,STUPID
G*D is this the pits or what? Sure I got in...finally, but like others, I can't set up files for my various accounts, it's a stupid decision and HEY,if they did it to prevent junk mail..guess what Frank...didn't work, got 5 junk mails already today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stupid
maybe if we didn't have to spend so much time and money in other countries fighting their causes, we could spend our time and money on global warming issues.
You really are stupid.
You think that you all have the same opinion of Medquist and no one could possibly like them. How insane is this? Who is agreeing with themself? Obviously, there is someone else here who agrees with me and isn't afraid to say so. What I have to say is the only loser here is you, so lose about 50 pounds and come back later.
Now that IS stupid. :D nm
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stupid
Oh really? Stop being so politically correct and tripping over yourself with apologies when you are speaking to or addressing the subject of someone that isn't like you. Always with the apologies, always with the fretting of not to hurt their precious feelings! THAT'S your problem, right there. Stupid is as stupid does, Becky. (Could Samtel tell me who that quote was from? hmmmm?) Don't be so quick to jump to the "defense" of someone encroaching on OUR jobs, who by the way is also someone who probably does not want or need your defense, and is doing quite a nice job of showing his STUPIDITY by his postings on this board anyway. It's like nails on a chalkboard tho when I see comments like yours rising to defent these jerks just for the sake of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Enough!
stupid
man, lady, you got major anger issues! i'm going with "anon" because i don't want you coming to my house with a shotgun or somethin!
stupid is as stupid does
  His meatloaf ain't quite cooked.
Some of us cannot believe just how stupid.....sm
these people are that Mr. Leno interviews....COLLEGE kids no less....they know so little, it's incredible.......they tell you the name of their schools and then they answer any of his questions incorrectly...and some of them are the simplest of questions.....
I may be stupid...
but what ARE you talking about??? How exactly DOES he say thank you in a thread that is so irksome to you?? Chosen few?? I would really like you to enlighten all of us dummies who have no earthly idea what the heck you are talking about!
Sorry for the stupid
question, but what is EMR?
Just how stupid do they think I am. I just
got an E-mail from Chase - the credit card company. I do have a credit card with them that is paid in full and I'm fixing to cancel. Anyway the e-mail was addressed to valued customer, which should have been the first clue. It was offering to credit my account $20.00 for answering 6 questions about their supposed new and improved website. At the end of the questions they wanted my ID, password, account #, etc. Now you'd think they know this information if I had an account with them - LOL. Of course I didn't fall for it, though I'm sure there will be many who will.
They think we are stupid
In biz anything that is paid is cost LOL what about the billing cycle revenue and legal protection transcriptionists provide. They fail to mention that everything is cost from the nursing salaries to the paper cups in the cafeteria.
What a joke and sad attempt to put the blame for their creepy ways on the big bad administrators and insurance companies.
Yeah lets support them so they can reduce wages even more with the black character line bs.
If they were devoted to MTs, apart from patient care & safety they would be advocating for us by emphasizing to hosptials admins and risk management and insurance companies about the legal protection that error free accurate reports provide. They would be emphasizing the value of what we are offer/our product instead of working against us.
I am stupid, but
I am not sure what you mean, can you "draw me a picture"?
I don't know, but that is stupid! sm
She needs to get a life!
I was stupid enough to take a job QA job...
making 3 cents per line. I thought it would be just filling in blanks so it would be okay and I was tired of typing. Well they wanted me to do 100% QA for 3 cpl! The MT's work that I was QAing were making 3cpl for VR editing. So basically, I'm making the same thing as them, expect I'm having to correct their work, provide them feedback, field emails from the MT's all day answering questions from the feedback that I gave and all for 3cpl. So basically, I was making less than the the MT's. I told my boss I needed a raise or I would just go back to being an MT b/c I could make more money doing that. She wouldn't give me one. Even after I told her that it took me 6 hours to get to 1000 lines in QA one day b/c of all the terrible MT's she hired and bad reports I was correcting. So what's that $30? I made way less than minimum wage! She didn't even respond to me.
I see job ad's here ALL the time from TTD saying they are paying 3cpl for QA. I emailed them to see if it was 100% QA and she said yes. Unbelievable.
It really makes me sick how MT's are so taken advantage of and so underpaid.
I would say on average, an MT would edit 300 lines an hour. That's decent. I would be offended if someone offered me 1 or 2 cpl for VR. Do the math. 3 cpl is too low IMO.
I would rather do some ESLs that some of the
sloppy southern drawls that you cannot ever understand. Wish those people would learn that not everyone is in love with a southerner.
ESLs
What is an ESL ..... and I agree with you completely about the time spent on GRAMMAR!!!!
They can take the smallest so-called "errors" and put a black check by your name. We are medical transcriptionists, NOT English teaches.
Any GOOD MT has equally good grammar. Plus there should be less emphasis on grammar and more emphasis on the medical terminology. Do you REALLY think the doctor cares if a comma was put in or left out? NOT !!!!
I wasted a lot of time agonizing over GRAMMAR when I could have been getting in more lines and doing what is best for the patient .... accurate medical terminology.
Bad ESLs
Wouldn't it make sense for companies with bad ESLs, to hire US MTs who speak the dictator's mother language to do the transcription?
ESLs
If it makes you feel any better, I once worked part-time for a doctor in his office. I wanted to get back into a hospital setting so I gave him my notice. He couldn't understand what I loved about being an MT. He said, "At least I have the benefit of reading their lips." AND I was once transcribing for this absolutely miserable ESL one day, pretty much the way you described, and waiting for him to hang up. Instead he was chatting with someone when I heard "I don't know how they do it, but I give them a lot of credit." I had to rewind to make sure he was talking about transcription and he was. Not all of them are that sweet. I once had to show an English book and the BOS to an extremely arrogant ESL oncologist. I hope you had a little chuckle here and feel better!
ESls
That's why AAMT is no longer a valid entity for us. The standards have been lowered to accommodate the ESLS because they can't make a decent sentence and don't know how to convey what they did or did not do to the patient. How the hell are we supposed to read their minds???? Those who can speak English and demand verbatim get what they deserve. Just the other day, the doc gave a female who had a vasectomy. He was a verbatim ESL and he got exactly what he dictated. When enough of them get sued or reprimanded, maybe standards will return, but I have no doubt in my mind that ESLs have lowered the standards at the hospitals and that's why we no longer change the dictation to make it sound like they at least passed English class. When I started it was not verbatim. We edited to change context and not content. Hospitals should make it clear they either speak clearly, or write clearly, and failing both of those, they should hire a PA or someone who can dictate like it should be, and some of the PA's aren't much better.
ESLs sm
Once they know you're good at it, expect them to send you nothing but!
ESLs
Hey, we all were horrible at ESLs (and I have to be honest that I often still struggle myself), so don't feel bad about that is how it goes. :) Good luck to you.
Had it up to here with ESLs....
I used to be one of those conscientious MTs who went back and re-listened sometimes 2 and 3 times, because I hate to send blanks to QA. After this morning, NO MORE !!!! This particular ESL doesn't even say the complete word, only the first syllable which is mumbled and scrunched into the first syllable of the next word. From this moment on, I go through it once, proof it and off it goes. If it's shot full of holes, then so be it!!! I'm telling ya, Wal-Mart is looking better and better. UGH !!!!!
What about ESLs
who dictate 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 10, etc.? These people are prescribing medications and they can't even COUNT in English? I can see messing up and missing a number, but totally messing up like that? On more than one report?
If only the ESLs would be more
organized, be briefer, and pay attention and use normal phrasing instead of these long, awkward sentences they put together. They are strangely worded whether they are routine or made up on the fly. If only they would notice which phrases we can't understand and study the non-ELS dictators' short reports. If they could keep their reports short, we could knock them out much faster and be done with them.
ESLs
Speed up the dictation and listen carefully..then repeat by slowing down the speed. Think in terms of how the ESLs would transpose certain leters. What nationality is the dictactor? Example: S might actually be a T. Hope this helps. Good luck!
ESLs
I can totally relate. I get SO fustrated with some of these ESL dictators because like you say they cannot speak decent English. And yes I wonder how do they understand their patients? If they can't speak English properly can they just understand it when spoken to them? I cannot believe they actually have MDs either. I swear sometimes I sit and just curse when trying to figure out what they are saying. I am glad I am not the only one. I just feel like saying if you can't even speak where I can understand what you are saying then you don't need to be a doctor. I know being a doctor entails much more than speaking properly but geez they are terrible.
I do a lot of ESLs too and I can actually take
an Asian with a very thick accent and do him without any blanks at all, but then I get the fast talking, slurring, nonenunciating American born doc and I have problems. Even if I had a copy of his physical exam that he says the same every time I still would not be able to hear it because it is so slurred.
I recently started a new account and I have doctors with 13 or more letters in their last name and I just take a deep breath and prepare to have a difficult report, but they have no accent at all and then I get a Dr. John Smith and his accent is so strong that I have a headache and am cross-eyed when I get through his dictation.
Like it or not the ESLs are here to stay and you can learn to do them or you will find your options limited, especially if you do acute care.
ESLs
Yeah she made the comment let his own people figure out what he is saying. She said this out of fustration. I for one know how fustrating it is when you are struggling to understand what a dictator is saying. You just get so fustrated. It is our job to transcribe no matter if it is an ESL or American, that is true. That doesn't mean we can't get fustrated when we have to struggle to transcribe what they say.
Also I think she meant the MTs in India are the ones doing it for 3-4 cpl. That's why alot of outsourcing goes over there because they work much cheaper. I guess what I am trying to say is I understand your point. It is our job. But I understand hers too. It is very fustrating. :)
ESLs
You know that is a great way to look at it. I hope I gain something for all the struggle I have to go through to understand them. At least I will have gained some experience.
Not only the ESLs
We're being awful hard on ESLs, and alot of the defense for them is they are no worse (or possibly better) than poor-speaking English speakers. The bottom line is that if you are speaking for other people, you should speak clearly, regardless of where you are from.
ESLs
I have had a real difficult time with some ESLs too. But I was on an account where basically I could do them or not work. So I pretty much had to just do it. It got a little better the more I would hear the accents. And I mean a little. Do they provide you with samples for these ESLs? That often helps alot. Good luck!
ESLs
I totally agree with you. It is just as important to know how to speak it as write it if not more so in medicine. There is no excuse. It doesn't matter what nationality -- Latino, Indian, European, or Asian. It makes no difference. They should learn the language fluently to practice medicine. An accent is one thing. But just flat out not being able to communicate clearly. There is no excuse. And no you don't see ESL lawyers. At least I haven't. I am sure you will get some posts telling you you are racist or a bigot. But it won't be from me. And by no means do I have a problem with ESLs who are fluent speaking in English.
ESLs
I have one who says "please use inverted commas," which means (to you and me) quotation marks.
ESLs
I have also heard them refer to blood pressure as 120 by 80 for example. I don't know.
ESLs
You know you are just preaching to the choir. So what if they say 120 by 80. You are a professional. You should know what to put down. If you want to gripe about something, make it something that matters.
If ESLs want our $, should be able to
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A lot of ESLs
I was told that they have a lot of ESLs so if you are ok with them you will probably like them.
You said VR does not get ESLs
but the platform I work on does them better probably than I could. I am totally amazed it can but it does.
ESLs
Well, fortunately for me, ESLs were my specialty because of my strong background in foreign languages, so I loved them when I was working. BUT I've known many excellent MTs, including my own sister, who had an extremely hard time with them and would literally weep, wail and gnash their teeth! And you're right, on some accounts, the great majority of dictators are (or were) ESLs. Why, I don't know. I retired at about the time when everything was starting to be sent offshore, a few years ago. I'm glad I was able to retire before our whole profession had gone down the tubes.
ESLs
Well, fortunately for me, ESLs were my specialty because of my strong background in foreign languages, so I loved them when I was working. BUT I've known many excellent MTs, including my own sister, who had an extremely hard time with them and would literally weep, wail and gnash their teeth! And you're right, on some accounts, the great majority of dictators are (or were) ESLs. Why, I don't know. I retired at about the time when everything was starting to be sent offshore, a few years ago. I'm glad I was able to retire before our whole profession had gone down the tubes.
Probably best for ESLs.
Or really anybody who can type better than they can dictate.
My PCP has a point-and-click system and during my visits the PCP spends most of the time typing comments into the space provided. I have a feeling that a lot of providers may quickly grow weary/frustrated with the constant typing/spelling/grammar when they should be seeing patients. I'd hate to see what their medical records look like.
ESLs
I have had my share of hard ESL doctors, but by far the worst dictators are English and just go too darn fast or speak sloppy.
No stupid questions
There are never any stupid or embarrassing questions around here. I've found people are very willing to help. That's why I love this board.
stupid statement
That's a very stupid statement. You evidently don't work on the kinds of accounts I do. I send blanks that QA can't get, either. There are various things that affect a report and require blanks besides a dictator's accent.
But maybe she does not like watching MTs look stupid
ranting about something that isn't even true? I know I don't.
I know, it's a stupid idea, but...sm
Why can't the cruise ships come in and get these people? I know there was a port in the area, so the cruise ships have got to be somewhere nearby. They could let everyone use the facilities, rest, relax.
I know, it's probably about the expense and loss of income to the cruiselines, but why not? These people are going through so much.
I know other ships are coming, but maybe the cruiselines could send their ships just until the other ships come.
Did u get the stupid ph call
And you ask, what is it about?
I don't know.
And you ask, why don't you know?
I don't know.
And you say well it probably doesn't apply to me, right?
I don't know.
And you say "I threw away the letter because I'm SE and the letter didn't mention SE. So why am I getting a package? "
I don't know.
And finally you say, well is it specifically to me?
yes.
Then you wonder, if I'm a SE, why are they sending me SPECIFICALLY anything AT ALL?
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