What an excellent post you wrote! (sm)
Posted By: My 2 cents (per line?) on 2007-06-11
In Reply to: The problem as I see it is... - Janine
Everything is a hit-the-nail-on-the-head ACCURATE description of the mess the MT industry has become today. If the doctors & hospitals truly don't care about such gross mistakes in their dictated LEGAL documents, I wonder why they even bother at all.
I also wonder how long MTSO's really think they are going to get the most experienced MTs out there by continuing to chip away at their pay and benefits. I'm expected to turn out perfect medical reports, which means, even with 30+ years of experience, that when doing difficult accounts, I can't blast away at Mach II on my reports - I have to spend a little more time looking up state-of-the-art treatments, drugs, etc., and then extra time proofreading each report afterward (which is difficult when you're proofing your own work). And yet in order to earn what would normally constitute 8 hrs. worth of pay, I often end up working 12-hour days. And yet my rent (which is way below-market, I might add) still consumes more than half of my income each month. (I went to school for WHAT??)
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I could have wrote your post in the past about my ex..
Believe me, I am so glad he is my ex. Life is just to short to spend it feeling that way.
I wrote the post and I am not offended, I took it how you meant it.
and like I said.... I love warm milk, drink it almost every night.
Actually READ my post. I wrote "A GOOD COMPANY"
Thick, thick, thick.
Of Course Endiqua read your post. It is irrelevant to her what you wrote and she is fully prepared
Hush and take notes. Endiqua is the authority on all things and doesn't need to read your post or even understand it. She's got an opinion and by gawd you will listen. QA is annointed boss of you.
Excellent post! I copied this post and...
am going to show it to my shrink so he can understand my frustration with my new "profession!" By the way, how much you wanna bet he pulls in 300$ an hour and has two years of schooling on me! Hmmmmmmm. Okay, you flamers, don't tell me to go back to school...I am thinking about it. Hmmmm
Thanks for the excellent post!
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EXCELLENT POST QA
Thanks so much for posting. Believe it or not, your post made me feel good. I am new, and am lucky enough to have mostly good dictators and only a few really bad ones. (But the account with the SKIPPING-TAPE-THING GOING ON IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!) Anyway, I know QA can understand about the skipping tape thing. I proofread every single report (so you know I am not making much money), but I rarely hear from QA, so I must be doing something right. It is just nice to finally hear from someone from QA on this board and to know they appreciate a job well done. I have e-mailed QA back, thanking them for the help, but lately have not, thinking that I might be annoying them - taking time away from their work, but now I know that e-mail might be appreciated instead. Now...we will probably get some slams from people having a bad day, but I thank you for writing. You should post more often, and we all would LOVE to hear some of the funnier "bloopers"
Excellent post! Well said!
My kids belonged to a bowling league..my oldest boys being in public school. The youth director confided in me that their 'homeschool league' kids were SO much more respectful and better behaved and an absolute pleasure to work with than the 'regular leagues.'
You are correct. Homeschool does not mean isolation whatsoever, unless, of course, you are way out in the sticks without a car, etc!
I homeschooled my daugter for 5 of her school years. If there was a sociability contest, she would WIN hands down! Everyone says so!! Her very best feature!
Excellent post!
I totally agree with you. This is the most intelligent post I have see in a long time. I have always felt that it was the large services and MTSOs who stir the pot to keep MTs at each other's throats. It's a lot easier to manipulate us one on one. If we were united and had someone to "get our backs" they wouldn't be able to get away with the cheap slave labor they are trying to pass off these days. I would really, really like to see some real union amongst MTs. The only way we can fight what is happening to our industry is to fight it together as a group! AAMT has been a HUGE disappointment to us. We need something better. I think one of the main reasons we see so much bickering and back stabbing on here is that there is no job satisfaction anymore. There is nothing to feel proud of. We get beat down on all sides. It would be great to be able to look forward to going to work every day again. I know we need a union, but have no idea how to go about starting one. Where is Norma Rae when you need her?
EXCELLENT post! Here's something else....(sm)
A very similar job to MT, with only a slightly different twist to it, is COURT-REPORTING. Back in 1975, I (stupidly!) decided at the same time my friend was going to school for court-reporting, to instead to go school for medical transcription. At the time, both paid about the same, court-reporting being slightly higher. But that made sense, as she had to stay in school longer.
So here we are, 30 years later, and MT has become a crummy sweatshop job with what adds up to less than minimum wage in many instances. I live hand-to-mouth, and will never be able to own a home, or most likely even to retire. My friend, on the other hand, is paid a top salary, owns a home on the California coast, works when & if she wants to, and has tons of work. You never hear about court reporting going offshore, because it's a legal docoment that is being typed, and I guess a recording of the court proceedings won't cut it - it has to be transcribed live for it to be considered evidence. Same with taking depositions.
MTs are every bit as literate, highly trained and professional as court reporters, and we, too type medicolegal documents. At any time, any report we type could end up as evidence if that particular patient or doctor were to end up in court.
So it sure seems to me that if transcribed medical reports are going to be used within the American judicial system for any reason, then they should certainly be considered important enough to be typed by American CITIZENS who live within our own borders. NOT by people with green cards, NOT by illega aliens, and most certainly NOT by non-residents.
If our profession is compared side-by-side with court-reporting, it may be a bit like comparing apples & oranges in some respects, but in other respects they are still very similar, and are both FRUITS of the American labor force. Yet one is a high-paying, respectable career and the other is considered by many to not even be a "real job!
That has come about because of corporate greed, and by people in other countries looking to make quick, easy money.
Of course, the reason this has happened to MT and not court-reporting is mainly due to one thing: Our ability to work on PCs at home. If court reporters could sit at home and listen to court proceedings on a recording or over a live connection, they would have found themselves facing the same loss of respect and income that we have had to deal with.
excellent post. nm
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That is an excellent post.
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Excellent post!
Good insight into the complexity of trade, competition, and lower salary workers.
What an excellent post!
Thank you, thank you! I am a bit depressed reading the post above yours. This is exactly the kind of attitude that enables these companies to lower their rates.
I think you spoke for a lot of us.
Excellent post.
Excellent post.
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A most excellent post
I think sometimes, in our zeal to get hired, we throw everything into the pot. We declare that we possess every skill that might help us to make the cut over other applicants. We're a nurse, we transcribe, we can make coffee, can get grease spots out of a Brooks Brothers suit, drop his kids at day care on the way to work - no! it's no trouble at all, really! - whatever. In this case, having your office nurse also be your Transcriptionist probably seemed an attractive prospect, until the doctor's wife figured they were paying twice for what she thought they should be paying for only once. Now these very skills have been turned against the worker. So your points 1, 2 and 3 are particularly valid.
I have seen ads for MTs in local papers and the description of duties sometimes says, 'medical transcription, reception duties, appointments, filing, other duties as needed.' Then I know I don't even want to apply for the position, as I have no idea how I could be MT as well as receptionist. How frustrating it would be to have my concentration constantly interrupted! This practice wants a secretary/receptionist they can make transcribe as well. Lots of luck getting someone who can do both well.
Any professional should balk at being told that a salary covers 'anything the boss expects' them to do. Especially if this throws out an established arrangement and doubles someone's work load. While we all like to be team players, if only the owner gets a tropy this diminishes our team spirit considerably.
I'm of two minds on this. I would either agree and simply not bust my butt getting the transcription done until it was piled so high SOMETHING had to change. Certainly there is a limit to how backed up this practice will allow its reports to become? Meanwhile I'd be looking for new employment. Of course, as the reports piled up, you have to know the office manager would be timing your trips to the bathroom with a stop watch and accusing you of wasting time on her dime (as seems to be her nature) but I'm sure you could perform all your usual nursing duties with just a bit less alacrity in order not to appear idle. Or I would simply call their bluff and refuse to go along (which might be shooting myself in the foot unless I had another job to go to. )
Excellent post and viewpoint
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WOW!! Excellent eloquent post!
You covered everything and did it so well that there's not much to add.
I will say, though, that I have been in a profession in which I was in a union. I have plenty of gripes about the union, but it'd be nice to have that protection here. It'll never happen, though, because of the other shortcoming that plagues this industry: Offshoring. It used to be that, if you worked hard and were good at your job, you had some leeway because you just *knew* that your company wouldn't let you go because they valued you so much. Not so these days, at least not the company I work for, and not from many others if what I read on these boards is true. Most of the companies have a virtually endless supply of maleable workers who will work for little to nothing. I get the very distinct feeling that if I said I was quitting tomorrow, they'd almost be happy for it. After all, they can now just backfill my position with one of those nameless, faceless people in India, the Philippines, Viet Nam, or any of the various other 'offshore' places.
A friend who works for SPi and is very good at what she does, when she told her supervisor that she had gotten another job offer, was actually told by that supervisor her advice was to take it! Back in 'the day' and not too very long ago, the response would've been 'how can we keep you?' Every single QA or Editor that I know is actively searching for a new job, some in this same declining industry, others in completely other fields.
After working so hard for so many years, I now feel just extremely tired - body and soul, completely demoralized, struggling to have any pride in my work any more. It's bad now and getting worse. I only hope the above poster is correct and things will make a turn-around, but frankly, I'm having a really hard time seeing it or even mustering the optimism to envision it. :'(
Excellent informative post!
You have given us all something to think about because you are right. We are not the only field this is happening to.
Lydia - I think your post was excellent however
I would like to bring up the new technology of VR where the use of word Expanders no longer has the impact that they have with straight typing.
I am doing editing and when I talk to others they were doing 300-400 lines with straight typing and word expanders. Now they are editing that same work and perhaps doing an average of 400 lph and yet making half as much money. It is an entirely different skill set learning to navigate quickly and get the work edited for speed, something which I am struggling with. I would love it if editors would share their speed tips but usually all the posts I get go something like this: I do 500 lines and hour and make more money editing OR I had to take a pay cut editing but no specifics as to why or how to build speed. So that is not really helpful as to why there is more or less $ with editing. I use my keyboar and not my mouse. I am working as hard as I can but I only can do maybe 100 more lines tops with editing than I can with straight typing but my pay has dropped by 50%. I don't see editing going away so to that end it seems as if the pay is dropping in transcription. Does anyone else see where I am coming from????
Thank you for an excellent post. I wish we had our own board. nm
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Excellent post and info...a must read.nm
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Here's an excellent link to a post for suggestions
Here's a link to an excellent post at Productivity Talk by Tonks. I'm trying this out right now. If it works, I'm going to send her a big thank you.
http://www.productivitytalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3683
Excellent post. I totally agree.
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Excellent post! There are still people with passion out there - that is great to know...
Sometimes everyone sounds so harsh and cold about all of this.
Best wishes to you, and good for you for finding another way of making a living.
Hopefully, those of us over 45 will have luck finding jobs...
I should research what happened years ago when the steel mills shut down, or when automation took over. People must have had some kind of help when they got their pink splips...
Post not EXCELLENT, but completely out of touch with reality
like you think the MT's control the pay in the MT world? Either you need the job and you take it for the pay or you have another option. MT's without another option will take the job at 6 cpl, or 4 cpl or whatever. When working at McDonald's becomes an option that is equivalent to MT work, then MT's will choose McDonald's.
The Transcriptionist is just ONE cog in the wheel of the whole industry. If people continue to look at only the MT's part, they miss the big picture. If all it took were people saying Let's all stand up together and demand better wages, then why couldn't the cashiers at the grocery stores across the US do the same thing? They can't. Because it they don't cashier for $8 an hour, there's somebody else who will. Same thing has happened with transcription. If you don't take the job at 6 cpl, somebody else will. It might be somebody from India (which you so quickly discounted) but I'll let you in on a little secret. The people from India who are doing MT typically have 2 master's degrees. They are hungry for work. They are intelligent, competent individuals, willing to work hard. They might have a little bit of a quality issue right now because of the language barrier, but it won't be long before you have lots and lots of Indian MT's with 2 years experience, who have learned from their mistakes, who have learned American idioms... and then you are really going to see the bottom drop of out the market.
Yep! But once I lay down.... that's all she wrote!
I'm done for the day whether i've reached my quota or not.
Thanks to all who wrote sm
 Thanks to all who replied. I appreciate the kick in the gluteus maximus and the kind words as well. Everything just came down at once on me and I won't go into detail. We all have those days if we stay on this planet long enough. Just a little overwhelmed. Bought a new computer last evening and the keyboard is very "tinny" and smaller, will just switch it with my old one, take a break and go back and try again. They also did not load all the things on that I asked for and I had to carry it back myself. They saw me struggling with the door and just watched me struggle. I believe in "paying it forward" and wanted to "give away" some things with no information on them to clear out my work space as well as study my new reference books before I tested. I should have done that before I went on line to test. I was dog tired. Seems everything is made of cheaper and smaller plastic. No, I don't want to go back to a typewriter, thanks for asking though, sweet of you to make that comment. I did "donate" my typewriters and my reference books to students years ago, along with anything else that could help them along in this business. I also "gave away" very lucrative accounts to those coming along when I had enough work for myself. I never asked for a dime and never looked back. Yes, I did do acute care and some of  those accounts would scream at the new "BOS" styles in the 2nd Edition, they hate change. I do not. They want it done "their way" or will mark you wrong and "fire" you. They also insist on allergies being bolded and underlined or it gets thrown back in your face. In one instance, if you number the diagnoses, they do not allow it.One doctor called me a name because I asked him not to abbreviate in the final diagnoses. I have had the "f" word used on me by some of these dinosaurs. In another instance, writing "continued" at the end of the pages got me almost fired. So there's a lot to think about when you "test" for people who don't know what a good Transcriptionist can do for them. You have to have two mindsets, one for the testing people and one for the accounts who just won't budge on their rules. I'll do just fine, just having a bad day. Thanks again. Over and out. Karma
No..not at all. Somebody wrote me SM
out of the blue from MTStars (no hellos or introductions) and asked me to send her my ShortHand dictionary. I worked months and months on it and have 48,000 entries. I felt selfish too not giving it to her, but I was stressed that she would even ask me. I thought about making a mock dictionary (Mary Morken's abbreviations) and stuff I gathered from ProductivityTalk.com so that if people in the future ask I could send them that.
So, in short, no--I do not think it is unreasonable for you to not want to send out your brochure at all.
Chickadee
I love what you just wrote
Right this moment, my almost 15-month old boy and my 5-year-old niece are playing and fighting over the toys. It does require a lot of skill and patience to do two jobs (one that is 24/7), but I have never regretted giving up my old career for my little baby.
I transcribe and while the file downloads, I do the laundry, wash the dishes or play with my baby - yep - multitasking is the key!
What are you talking about I WROTE THEM....some of them!!!!
They arent bad I PROMISE. Now you HAVE TO READ THEM.
I know. I wrote this before you posted the other.
She also stated that she has not had any time away from the kids for 8 years. I hardly think that is needing so much time away from them. Just my opinion though. You might think you should take your kids everywhere you go, but it is healthy for a relationship to have alone time, even if your kids are perfect angels.
I personally am looking very forward to this buisness trip. This is about as close as me and my husband have ever been to a honey moon. I will miss my kids why I am gone, even though I will enjoy the time away. Everyone is entitled to a little "me time."
What we did 3 years ago was we wrote
everything down from least to most. We took the smallest bill first and put everything we could on that bill and paid minimum on everything else until they were paid off. I even settled on a few cards just to get them paid off. Yes it shows on my credit report that I settled but 3 years later my credit score is well over 750 and we are debt free. We have NO credit cards. If we cannot pay by cash, check or debit card we don't buy!
Doing it like we did, settling with the companies or working with a credit agency does not look half as bad as going BR.
I wrote here last week.....
About my incompetent lawyer, if you can be so kind as to call him that. To recap, I paid for my divorce to be filed in January and he never filed, and so my ex-husband filed around April or so. I had to take out a loan in order to pay him, to get things up and going. Two different times, I made sure I told him to include my vehicle, my VIN number and all on my divorce decree, so I could get the ex's name off title, because he takes the title to the pawn shop and my car gets repossessed.
At any rate, my hearing was in July and I never so much as got a copy of the decree, so I went to the courthouse and got one myself, and guess what? the car's not on there. I spoke with him to BE SURE right before the hearing, and my mother was in my presence and can confirm this.
I called him 4 times during the course of the 7 months, wondering what was going on with my case (since he hadn't filed it!), and then just recently 2 times about the car. I got a bill today for an extra $116 for him having to amend the decree about the car, and for the phone call I placed to him regarding it. I haven't gotten any paperwork about the car being put on the decree yet (which I'll probably have to get from the courthouse myself), and indeed, once I do, I'm going to file with the chamber of commerce and state bar, a complaint, but is this bogus or what? I shouldn't be charged extra for something he should have done for what I initially paid him, should I? I kind of wonder if he'll hold onto the stuff until it is paid, but I think this is baloney.
Thanks for any input.
PS: See article - AND the name of the guy who wrote it!
On ''Asian'' and ''Oriental''
By Alan Hu
OK, so a long time ago, people in Europe used to refer to everything to the east of them as the Orient, including for example the Middle East, since orient means "east". So far, so good. This mysterious area was the source of all sorts of wonderful things like silk and spices, so the Europeans attached also sorts of exotic, mysterious connotations to the Orient. As Europeans gained a better concept of world geography, they eventually used "the Orient" and "Oriental" to refer to East and Southeast Asia, where people look "Oriental" in our current usage.
Anyway, that usage of "Oriental" has survived a long time, and it still frequently carries all of the exotic/foreign/inscrutable/mysterious connotations. These connotations happen to coincide with many of the stereotypes held of Asian Americans. Furthermore, by definition, the word "Oriental" is Eurocentric, referring to things east of Europe. For these reasons, some Asian American activist types decided that "Oriental" was a Bad Word, and that "Asian" was more accurate, less Eurocentric, and less loaded with strange connotations. No big deal, right?
Well, a lot of people didn't want to change their language usage. Some people grew up using "Oriental" and saw nothing wrong with the word. Others came from other parts of the world, where hip-activist-American-English-linguistic-evolution hadn't hit. Still others never encountered anyone aware of Asian American politics, so had never heard of this word usage change. Some people were exploiting the exotic mysticism connotations and resisted change. (Very early on, you would see articles about business and trade in Asia, whereas the travel articles would talk about visiting the Exotic Mysterious Orient.) Finally, some people were convinced that this was a typical case of left-wing-politically-correct-thought-police-mind-control (which it was) and decided in typical right-wing-politically-correct-knee-jerk-response that the word usage change was intrinsically evil and had to be resisted at all costs.
For a while, therefore, you could identify a person as being an American who was aware of and sympathetic to Asian American politics by his/her word choice. Now, however, many exploitation-types have realized that saying "Asian" instead of "Oriental" is the cool thing to do, without changing any of their stereotypes and misconceptions. (You can force a person to change his/her behavior, but you can't force a change in thought.)
The upshot is to use whatever word you feel most comfortable with, or that makes your listeners most comfortable, but don't be surprised if someone takes offense. And in the time you save by not worrying about word-usage, try to make the world a better place.
LOL - I couldn't have said it better myself. 
By law...you wrote it, they are yours period
Those belong to you, end of story. The law automatically states that if you wrote it, it is yours. Registered copyrights cover if someone distributes. The link below provides the forms.
http://www.copyright.gov/forms/
Do you like this letter I wrote
to an attorney there at Cohen & Grigsby??
Lawrence M. Lebowitz
Cohen & Grigsby
Attorneys at Law
Pittsburgh, PA, USA
June 20, 2007
Dear Mr. Lebowitz:
I understand you are an expert at helping foreigners get jobs in our country.
I would like to start a company that helps foreigners come to this country on temporary visas to work as attorneys.
This will be good for America because, although we have many attorneys here already, they are too expensive for the average American, who is unable to find a good job because companies like yours are getting temporary visas for foreigners to take their jobs. These unfortunate Americans will now be able to afford attorneys to sue attorneys who help companies find loopholes in the system to be able to hire cheap foreign professionals.
My other idea was to get the laws changed so that we can hire foreigners to be our politicians. I understand they require much lower salaries than domestic politicians. I did an unofficial poll of some nice illegal immigrants in my area, and many of them believed we could hire a President of the United States from their country for a mere $25,000 a year. Think of the savings if we can assume we could hire foreign senators for $17,00 a year. We just need to change a few laws that our forefathers put in place for the protection of this country! But this idea might get a little more complicated and time-consuming, so I thought my foreign attorney idea might be implemented more expeditiously.
Can you please help me with my new business idea?
You might want to buy a nice home in Mexico now, because you might have to change your citizenship in the future in able to be able to find work in America!
Xxxxx Xxxxxx, NC
(How do you sleep at night?)
Wrote the book on this sm
When advertising for someone to take up some of my slack, these are some of the calls I got, will not use quotation marks - I can do that, I've been sick a lot. My Dad was a pharmacist, so I know those terms. My wife can type and I'm looking for a job for her. I have been approached by people I buy gas from, groceries, etc., they all have a cousin, an aunt, a relative who can type and they're going to send them over to me. A former boss sent his wife who has never had a job in her life but because I used to work for him (in retail) she just walked up to me and said, "Okay, when do I start?" Unbelievable!!! One person said, "Oh, all you need is to know how to type and you have to buy the paper." Another neighbor bought a medical dictionary for her computer and immediately sent out brochures, undercut me by 1/2 and actually docs tried her out. When docs offices called, they always asked, "What do you charge?" They never asked me what kind of experience I had. As you can tell, been doing this for years. The whole situation disgusts me.
I had that problem but i wrote it off ...sm
on my taxes as a deduction for each expense. My job was for a nonprofit homeless shelter clinic so I felt okay about it, like it was a charitable thing to do. I posted below regarding employee status vs IC because I am so confused about how many IC jobs I see on job listings on this site. I was employee x8yrs, then IC x16 yrs, then employee again x8yrs, but I thought the IRS/courts had become really restrictive on this issue. Now all the companies seem to be drifting back to IC but still telling you when to work so I'm stumped. In fact, I'm almost afraid to post this less I get "flamed."
I was also appalled and wrote the manufacturer
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I could have written what you wrote, but I have 1 more thing to add..
I find that most of the MTs where I do QA are so very nice and take their feedback very well. They try so hard at the difficult ESLs (which is all of them) and I too know that it has to be grueling to do some of them knowing my take-home money depended on those dictators. We have a wonderful group of MTs, some good, some trying, but they sit there day after day and endure. I will give them credit.
I have also seen very poor quality for no reason, but I won't go there. Those folks should not be in the profession at all. I have seen that at many companies.
Hats off to all of you MTs who endure the hard work and continue to hang in there. You are recognized for what you do at least by some.
I wrote the Lifesaver company once (m)
and asked them if that was true. They responded with the history of Lifesavers candy and did not mention the hole being there for that reason. They also sent posters and a bunch of other stuff. I always thought they probably distance themselves from the hole being a lifesaver thing because of liability issues, but FWIW, they don't admit to the truth of that story.
Hi, Nissa, I am also with you, Elle wrote...sm
a fantastic, heart-felt, and very knowlegdeable note to you; it really can be hard, and one of the biggest stumbling blocks to production, when you are constantly switching huge accounts, all fields and ethnicity of strange (to you!) dictators, little feedback from QA, as is the case with many larger nationals...I also have been doing this close to 20 years, in all capacities, and the shortcut/expanders are great, all the on-line technology with dictionaries and references, all the new transcribing platforms can be great once you get proficient with them....but the very best money I made was always either with a local service or clinic, even though there were ESLs or specialties I was not all that great with, or when I worked in-hospital and of course got used to all the many docs over and over again, all their "normals" and phrases they usually used, etc. In short, if you love this field, as most of us do, if you are dedicated and organized, then many times if you go with a smaller company with less accounts, less dictators, and most importantly the ability to truly get thorough feedback from your supervisor, MTSO, or QA person, you will be learning and getting quicker by the week!! Have faith, and e-mail me anytime for a pep talk, we all have to stick together!
Can't you read? I specifically wrote...
"..for us, the MTs.'
I don't care who wrote it either, be it Paul Harvey or anyone else.
and the way the majority of people apparently feel in this country who are sick of being made to feel that for some reason we must tip-toe around minorities and disregard our own culture.
I'm sick of it and the person who wrote this article apparently is too.
I'm with you - I once wrote a letter to the makers of Sensodyne (sm)
toothpaste, as on the box, it said something about "receeding gums." They wrote me a letter and thanked me (I was hoping for $) - but they told me they had enclosed a coupon for a free tube (BUT IT WASN'T IN THERE!! - On my son's high school graduation program, it listed the class song and the class "moto." That one killed me. To this day I ask him if he remembers his class moto. I notice it everywhere - drives me crazy. What about street signs - there is one around here for the "bussiness district."
MEATLOAF wrote and sang that song
Celine Dion did it close to 20 years later - Meatloaf has always been like he is - even when he was younger.
I wrote it down! JK Lasser's "Small Business Tax Guide," and see msg.
The other was 1001 Deductions and Tax raks for Personal Deductions. I don't have an author for that one.
so what if they wrote the check to feed their kids that were starving, would you buy them some groce
some people just can't make ends meet. what i see as wrong with that is our government.
He wrote the song, but it was sung by Celine Dion...around 1996 I think. nm
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