So you are educated in the laws of Aruba? Wow.
Posted By: sm on 2005-07-06
In Reply to: The boy's father was released after a short period of time. - Get a grip?
I sound like I have lack of knowledge about this case, as does Mrs. Twitty. So, I guess me and Mrs. Twitty should look to you for explanations and answers as to where her daughter is and what happened to her? Do you have some inside info the rest of the world is not privy to? I'm just wondering because if not, you are blowing a lot of hot air around and basically just about as uneducated about the laws and the evidence surrounding this case as the rest of us.
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Aruba is a foreign country. Their laws
are different than U.S. Father said "no body, no crime" because he knows in their system if they have no body, they have no crime. Therefore, they have to find a body...or they can't prosecute for murder.... Their laws, not ours. That is what it is when you travel outside the country, you are under the foreign country's laws.. Really too bad but that is how it is.
I think all state labor laws are pretty much in line with the federal laws as far as PTO SM
among other things. Basically, federal law states that an employer is not required to offer paid time off or paid holidays. An employer doesn't have to pay you for time not worked. It states quite clearly that PTO is an agreement between the employer and employee upon hire. So, if you have an agreement with your employer stating you accrue PTO and get certain Holidays off with pay, then upon termination or resignation, you are entitled to any unused time you have accrued. However, since not mandated by any state or federal laws, if an employer refuses to pay you for any unused PTO, you will have to take legal action, likely in small claims court. You will probably eventually win, but you have to decide is it worth all the trouble and legal fees?
When you actually get right down to it, labor laws really don't do much for the working class. We are not guaranteed anything except minimum wage and a safe work environment.
Aruba
 Yes, she is an American, but she is an American missing in a foreign country. Just as we have to abide by the rules of another country's government, when in that country, the same holds true here.
There is an excellent team of volunteers from Texas in Aruba, the FBI also is on the island. I've heard on CNN that there have been cases of young,female tourist being kidnapped in Aruba, then shipped not to far to Venezuela, to be held to work as a prostitute.
In that case, then we'd have to tell yet another government, that we followed the trail to your country and now our agents will be moving in
We are the greatest nation on earth, but we do not have the right to just force our way into another country and demand they do things our way
FBI in Aruba
 Do you have any clue as to how many born and bred American citizens, under the age of 21, many under 15, our precious children, who have been taken by their parent, who is of another nationality, kidnapped from their custodial parent and wisked away to a foreign country by the other parent?
This usually occurs when the idiotic courts give visitation to said parent, knowing full well they are a flight risk, yet duh...."trust they won't do anything stupid"
As of 6 months ago, there were 2138 children born in the US, American citizens, that have unwillingly been taken to a foreign country, leaving their custodial parent caught in this catch 22 of trying to get their child back
The Hague Convention specifically prohibits this action, has rules to force the other country to return these children, yet the custodial parent is often left to hire Soldiers of Fortune to go in, stake out the country, living area, school where these children are, then they attempt to do what our country, the country that SHOULD be bringing these children home, fail to do! This should automatically be done, yet we have to try to argue "diplomatically" all the while these kids are kept from their parent the courts gave custody to. It's not cheap to hire a hit squad to get your kids back, it cost's thousands of dollars to do so.
In my opinion, the USA/FBI/CIA/ SECRET SERVICE all should be concentrating on THESE innocent victims a bit more than a young 18 yr old that made a bad judgement.
Where is the face time for the mothers or fathers of these children...the media won't give it to these kids, unless it is deemed worthwhile, and IMHP, each and every one of these children is worthwhile. It's just such an overwhelming thing to go through...I know, my nephew is somewhere in Saudi Arabia, growing up now for 3 yrs thinking his mother is dead or did not want him
Have you ever been educated?
because you sound very unintelligent.
ARUBA CASE
The parents had to known she was going to drink in Aruba. Why would these 17 and 18 years want to go of course to drink or they could have went to Florida instead. Even though this girl made bad judgement if she drank to much and went off with these guys this did not have to happen. We need to blame who ever did this. If my 18 year old wanted to go to Aruba I would probably say yes but lecture her a head of time. I know my 18 year probably drinks in college but I told her I don't want to know this. What I do not see I don't have to worry about it. I have no control of her when she is in college but she is not allowed to drink in our house or anyone elses until she is 21. I have a feeling that her body has been thrown in the ocean. The whole situation is so so sad.
perhaps you should go to Aruba and help with the investigation (nm)
Speaking of Aruba....
You are EXACTLY right. Good post. We're both going to be crucified for this.
Not so. I am an educated person, but not
what I call a smart person. My DH has more education than me and is extremely smart, but has zero common sense, whereas I have a lot of common sense.
I have a brother who has 3 undergrad degrees and 2 master's degrees and signed up to take a course at MIT and they asked him to teach it instead. The poor guy hasn't got a lick of common sense. He has 2 engineering degrees and it literally took him 6+ hours to hang 2 pictures. I also have a sister who graduated the top of her college graduating class and she took hasn't a lick of common sense. She isn't blond, but we sure get a laugh over the questions she asks sometimes. She is 8 years older than me, but knows a lot less than me in terms of general fund of knowledge.
I'm educated, too, but you don't see me telling
medical providers what they should or shouldn't say in their reports. You knew this would blow up when you posted it, so don't play all innocent victim here. What does using one word have to do with the patient's privacy? It certainly didn't stop YOU from posting it on the Internet!
Any thoughts on the case in Aruba?
Little by little they are losing ground. Commentator was saying that even if the last person to see her alive was Joran, the 17-year-old still in jail, they can't prove anything. Maybe they fell asleep on the beach and when he woke she was gone. Commentator said that if after all this time they could not break a 17-year-old and get a confession, with his two friends and father in jail, there is a possibility that he did not do it.
PS: I think her mother should go home instead of second-guessing the government over there. She is convinced the three are guilty with the father as an accomplice. How do you come to that conclusion with sureness? That's kind of like some foreigner over here coming over and if something were to happen to them and they disappeared after a night of drinking and last being seen with a stranger, his parents come over and criticize our legal system because we can't PROVE foul-play. Just a bit over-the-top for a mother who should be grieving the loss of her daughter instead of criticizing the authorities. Hey and another thing, how about criticizing the chaperones who lost contact with the daughter and did not discover she was missing till she failed to show up at the airport!!
Missing girl in Aruba
Here in the midwest, we recently had a "found college girl", seven years after she disappeared from Texas, and was presumed dead. Turns out, she and her parents had a huge blow-up over a boy, she took off, never to be heard of again....UNTIL, somehow, someone saw her picture in the very same Wal-Mart she had been working in for 5 yrs! She still did not want to talk to her folks, but they since have made small inroads into reuniting
I was just in Aruba -very nice island
Aruba is just like any other tourist destination where as long as you stay in the tourist areas, do not wonder off into the downtown areas at night and practice basic street-smarts, then there is no need for alarm and it is just as safe as any other place. I went to Aruba last month and we had a nice stay but I also went there years ago when I was about 16 w/my friend and her family. Of course we drank our little hearts out but we stayed in the hotel area and never wandered off. I will admit that we were harrassed by locals a bit (and I think it was because we were so young) but we ignored them and ALWAYS stayed together- we used our street smarts!!
It sounds as tho this young girl did not have as much street smarts as you or I. I would never leave with guys I just met by myself even if I were at a bar in my hometown area, nevermind in another country! It is common sense but unfortunately this young girl didn't know any better, or for whatever reason maybe she thought that she was safe with these boys and she probably thought they were just regular kids just like her & her friends. It is very sad that she possibly had to pay the ultimate price for what she thought was just an innocent mistake.
We as parents try to protect our children from so much, but at the same time, I think sometimes we are so focused on keeping the evil of the world out, that we possibly make our children more vulnerable.
I did not know the words educated, experienced, etc.
could only be used by Northerns? I think MTs here fit that bill as well. Thanks for your concern.
It's a sad day when a highly educated doctor can't
I'm talking epistaxis here, ok...not that hard of a word. She won't even put forth the effort to pronounce words correctly, especially medications, which in my opinion is downright dangerous. I wouldn't want her for my doctor...way to dangerous of a dictator. BTW, I never, ever guess on a medication, even if I am confident about what she MEANS to say...so always end up sending hers to proofing...okay, I'll get off my  now...good day all!!!
Aruba is not as well equipped to handle this situation (sm)
 as the U.S. is...so therefore, if they are in over their heads, THEY should ask for the U.S. to help, period! That is a resort country, equipped basically to show tourists a good time, and not to handle a missing American case! See my point?
This stuff should be covered at least a little in your MT program. How are you getting educated? nm
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Educated, experienced, well-rounded northern
NM
Deep south, educated, experienced too
I think the $12 is very low wages. Would make more than I do now except most hospitals outsourced now and nationals have taken over. I do fine with mine, though. Oh. we are well rounded here in the south.
Up North, experienced, educated, well-rounded MTs.....sm
are making $19.76 hr average plus incentives, production bonus, and bennies....I loved working in-hospital, but right now I have family situations which must come first...no amount of money to sacrifice their welfare.
I don't know how you can take off for weeks at a time with all your close relatives and go to Aruba
and not be wealthy. Could you? Indefinitely? You and your husband? And her husband said they may buy a house there if necessary because the mother is not going home w/o Natalee. So assuming that resort island property is not cheap, they can afford to buy a house in Aruba? Can you?
Chandra Levy's parents said the same thing. It's not about Aruba.
It's about the parents. Be mad as hell if you want to. Blame Aruba. But do it quietly. Because if the parents knew ANYTHING, they would catch the perpetrator. They know nothing but just spout accusing everyone of illegal activity just as you do. I do know Aruba and not everyone is related to everyone and there is a blend of nationalities just as Joran is Dutch and the two boys with him were obviously a different nationality. To oversimplify the situation by calling everyone crooked and criminal in Aruba is insane. Perhaps Natalee did some drunk swimming and everyone else in Aruba who has lived life nicely on this pleasant island and never killed anyone before are being falsely accused. Consider that.
Speaking of Aruba and Natalle Holloway from post below
It looks like the Arubans are forming a protest of their own who are offended at Mrs. Twitty and the media reporting they are not conducting a proper investigation and their system is bad while America's system of law and order allowed the sex offenders kill children in Florida and Idaho. The Aruban people have a point you know. One news person interviewed protestors and a very literate gentleman suggested Mrs. Twitty was under Aruban law and she should respect that or go home. In a short statement Mrs. Twitty seems to be backtracking after the protests after Mrs. Twitty stated the legal system allowed criminals (the two brothers) to go free and walk among its citizens and tourists. It's about time these people speak out when Americans come over and criticize their government without a clue how it works or if it is working.
Again, there are professional American search teams in Aruba.
Nobody knows the terrain of the island better than the native  Arubans. Together with advice from the FBI, the search team from Texas and the hundreds of Arubans who do know the island they are doing what they can do. They do not need the hysterical rants and accusations from Mrs. Twitty
Being educated about the environment and caring about what is left for the next generation does not
nm.
As an educated & experience MT, we're expected to correct what's
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Since you have recently become an advocate for these "well-educated" professionals....
please justify the 20 minutes I had to sit and listen through all because the doc left his hand held recorder on. I actually had to sit there and listen to him urinate AND defecate! Immediately after hearing the toilet flush, I could hear the door open and then several footsteps that led him to meet, greet, and converse some more. I was more appalled at the fact that such a "well-educated" medical professional didn't care enough to wash his germ infested hands after his restroom break. Unbelievable.
Verbatim stinks! As a MLS, you're educated and trained to edit
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oh good grief. Haven't we heard enuf of this? Educated people are just
laws
In some areas there are laws against leaving a dog tied in a yard like this. it is considered neglect or abuse or something
OT laws
What you're talking about here is illegal and violates the Federal labor laws. It is also not legal to just not pay someone if they work OT. You still have to pay them, and then deal with not following policy through whatever disciplinary action you have in place. But over 40 hours means OT pay, period. There is no exception to that and if your supervisor is advising you differently, he/she is asking you to break the law.
in-laws
Do any of you married people have trouble with your in-laws, particularly your mother-in-law? Mine is quite domineering and manipulate, though my husband doesn't see it one bit. She has really created a lot of problems between him and I because I don't think she ever really liked me.  However, he sides with HER all the time !
in-laws
I suffered with this for 15 years of my 17-1/2 year marriage. I finally started dishing it back to her, big time. She was really a spineless woman, and she retreated. In fact, they hardly ever came to visit anymore. However, the damage was done and the marriage died. So, good luck. I wouldn't go out of my way to try and please her, because believe me, you won't!
I have in-laws that are like that...
I wish I could also put it out of my head and get over it, but it still bothers me. My MIL doesn't get it and has never wanted to. My mom was the only one who ever really understood before she died a few years ago, but only because she would ask me and wanted to know. My husband tells me to let it go, that they'll never understand. That includes his sisters and brothers. I'm 38 and still care about silly things like that. I do need to let it go and know that we are doing good by my working at home. I've seen all my three kids' firsts just by being here, and that's what is important. I've even mentioned to my MIL what I make in the past and still doesn't seem to care or want to know, just will say "oh, really?" and then move on to the next subject. When everyone is talking about having to work the next day at a holiday party, I keep my mouth closed now and say nothing. To them, I don't really work. I feel like a crazy person if I do mention working, like I have an imaginary job, so I quit talking about it. It's funny now because SIL's daughter went to school for this and is currently looking for a job, so they'll have to start understanding it better. I'm glad to know I inspired her.
Old laws are still on the books everywhere.
Most schools will not use corporal punishment any more period. Believe me, there are some kids at our school that could use a good whack on the backside. However, the school district then would have to worry about assault charges from parents. Teachers aren't willing to risk their entire careers over a bad apple.
The 4th grade girl who brought a handgun to my child's nice suburban school got suspended for three days and counseling. The 5th grade boy who brought a knife was led off in handcuffs by police, but he was back in school the very next week. Now, he's an angry high school kid who has to take a special class with other "angry" kids. The kindergartener who stabbed my kid's teacher in the face with a metal mechanical pencil last year wasn't removed from her classroom at all. Instead, they brought in a "behavioral specialist". It wasn't working, but I told the principal if my children were in any of these kids' classes again, I'd be sending all my kids to private school.
My in-laws use a neti pot.
You can either buy a pot or use a water bottle with a hole cut in the lid. Fill it with 8 ounces of warm water and 1/4 teaspoon of NONiodized salt. Gently irrigate your nasal passages with it. Google for informative articles and video demonstration. Yuck.
please see my above post for laws...sm
please see my post just above this regarding laws that have changed and/or are changing in the 21st century..........*S*.....
To get a break your in-laws might consider...
respite care for a week or two. It would cost about what they are paying the private nurse. They would not even have to really "get away." Just having a break from constant care would be a vacation. I know; been there and done that!
The laws mandate...sm
that if a spouse or immediate family member is placed overseas by military then your employer would have to keep you working as long as you're willing. As far as your not being married, you'll need to ask your human resources department.
You need to read IRS laws....they have to pay
nm
no it does not...check your SS laws again.--sm
my father was on full SS after he retired. He worked part time as a security guard. He could NOT earn over a certain amount each month. There ARE restrictions, no matter if early retirement or full retirement.
No similar laws that I know of
Can you post a link?
India is notoriously lax on privacy, intellectual property, etc., types of laws. Their judiciary system has always been at or near the top when it comes to corruption also. It is easy to bribe your way out of trouble. I know this. I have family over there and hear plenty of stories of what goes on that would never get by in the USA. The offshorers take chances in third world nations (not just to say India, there are others like Philippines, Pakistan, etc.). They take these chances because of the fact that the labor is much cheaper. They cross their fingers and hope for no trouble and since the USA has not outlawed sending its citizens' personal information to other countries, they are allowed to do so and they choose to boost their profits in the meantime. It is what it is. They are in business to make money. Just like the subprime mortgage lending mess ... banks turning a blind eye to unqualified borrowers to make a quick buck. Now the chickens are coming home to roost for the banks.
Labor laws
I think there may be some strong labor laws against such behavior. State labor laws obviously vary, but even Federal Labor Laws should prevent this.
I hate to hear about collusion like this against a person, who possibly just had the temerity to disagree.
Quig
The laws cannot be ENFORCED, so we have no
way of knowing what they're doing with our info. Sending our sensitive information overseas where HIPAA laws don't apply including names, DOB, Social Security numbers, addresses, etc., in itself is a HIPAA violation.
Well, I bet it's because CA has laws that protect
workers, so certain skeevy companies at least don't want to hire them because then they would (horrors) have to pay them when there is no work rather than pay them nothing while they sit waiting for work. That's just one of the protections we have here in CA. IMO
That would be HIPAA laws....nm
nm
why would that violate laws? I would say you could do it -
nm
also, check out the laws in your state (sm)
regarding how the landlord should handle your deposit during the time you rented from them. In my state, it must be kept in an escrow account, and the landlord must show proof of this. Also, landlords are liable for lots of routine maintenance on the house/apartment while it is rented. For example, landlords are responsible for painting, replacing miniblinds, cleaning carpets, etc every four years, in the state of Georgia.
Go online and check it out...you could get your money back, plus some! Good Luck! 
Labor laws in some states (particularly CA) SM
are more stringent and some of the nationals won't hire from certain states because their laws are stricter than federal labor laws.
If you don't mind using a mix, my ex-laws are from Louisiana
you have to find them on the net, usually they sell through other food sites, but their mixes are to die for. And when i can't get to Louisiana, I get a box of these mixes. and when I cna't think what to give for Xmas I give these mixes. just awesome.
Cell Phone Laws
Here in NYS there's a law that you can't be on your cell phone unless you have a headset. The police rarely enforce the law. Every day I see someone on their cell phone. I wish they'd catch these people before they kill someone. I'm sorry your son had to go through the accident because of someone's stupidity.
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