Maybe not related to homeschooling, but...
Posted By: STEAMED! on 2005-11-15
In Reply to: Home Schooling - cmac mt
whatever happend to kids just going outside to PLAY??? I don't think these structured lessons and sports are quite the same thing. Kids are so micro managed anymore that they wouldn't know how to go outside with the kid next door and just climb a tree. If they did, they'd have to wear a helmet, knee pads, elbow pads, and carry a cell phone to call for help once they got up there. I guess being a kid in the 1960s was just so different. We went to school, made our friends, lost our friends, read at our grade level (and that was OKAY), and for the most part we're smart successful people. Oh well, off my soap box.
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Not MT related, but pet dog related. See message.
I have a 5 year old Maltese dog who has always been a great sleeper at night. He has always slept on my bed next to me and never budged all night. Last week he started to wake up shivering and panting in the early morning and could not settle back down and would just jump off the bed and go off somewhere else to sleep. Now he starts this shivering and panting as soon as the light goes off in the bedroom but instead of jumping off and going off on his own, he just stays there next to me and keeps sivering and panting and is unable to fall asleep. He's perfectly normal otherwise during the day and sleeps fine during the day, behaves normally and is eating and drinking normally. I called the vet and she thought he was having nightmares. But I'm not so sure. Last night when I went to bed and the light was on for about 15 minutes he was quiet and comfortable lying next to me. As soon as the light went off he started the shivering and the panting and could not go to sleep. Anywone gone throught this before? Should I be worried about his health?
Before considering homeschooling, I would
ask a lot of questions such as What is going on to cause the trouble?, Does he have an inadequate teacher?, Bad atmosphere?, Other children picking on him? I truly do not believe in homeschooling and feel that it should not even be an option. Children need social interaction. They do not need to depend on us moms for every little thing. They need to learn to stand on their own 2 feet even at this age if they are going to make it in the real world later.
You certainly don't know much about homeschooling. sm
Homeschooled kids are more socialized than you would or could ever imagine. Just because you bring them home doesn't mean you take them out of the world! Homeschoolers these days have SEVERAL groups in EVERY area who plan events TOGETHER and help each other as well as LET their kids soialize. These parents, YES, get to pick who their kids socialize with during these times. BUT, then you'll find almost all homeschooled kids are also involved in social activities, i.e. community soccer, baseball, football, bowling leagues, ski groups, etc. They don't have to be sheltered just because they're brought home to LEARN.
You WILL find that most homeschooled kids are more RESPECTFUL of adults than other kids, can INTERACT with adults more easily, and DON'T get away with any excuses as to why their work didn't get done or blame their problems on someone else. They actually don't have a choice but to take RESPONSIBILITY for their actions.
How could I possibly know all this? Well, I homeschooled both you youngest children, now 25 and 18. Both are obviously out in the world now. Both have good jobs where they work hard to make their livings, the second just as an interim to going to college out of state and the first with his degree and working a very satisfying job. Both deal with adults in a world where they have become adults and are truly amazing men! Homeschooling life is certainly a busy one, but I'd not trade back any second of what I was able to help them accomplish in life without ALL the crap that kids get in the public school those days or these days, they actually LEARNED.
YOU obviously know NOTHING about homeschooling and this is a
THEY DON'T NEED to be in school, it's a choice by the parent. This is a very narrow-minded opinion.
BIG YES to HOMESCHOOLING
I have homeschooled my children since Kindergarten and I encourage anyone to try it. I am not what you call a very educated person, high school grad + one year of college, and I have had no difficulty. The A Beka program that someone else mentioned is superb! Use the DVD program.
My daughter is a sophomore in Spanish and Algebra II and we are experiencing no problems. My son is in the eighth grade. He is a typical boy in that he rather play than do school but even with that attitude, he has all A's and B's.
Yes, you do have to be committed! A HOMESCHOOL parent cannot be running around shopping all day. The DVD program does allow the child to work a lot on their own, frees the parent from a lot of responsibilities, but I know that I am giving my children the best education I can possibly give them. That has been proven time and again when the kids in our local area are asking them how to do their school work or spell this for them. One college kid even asked an English question and at that time, my ninth grader, answered their question. He said how do you know that. She replied I have already had that in my schooling!!
Your state probably has a homeschooling organinzation and get in touch with them for guidelines. The public school system will have you jumping through all kinds of hoops that may not be necessary. That is a proven fact over and over again. Get in touch with Home School Legal Defense Association (they have a website) and confer with them before you jump through all the legal hoops. They will tell you what you have to do in your state and what you legally do not have to do. This can save you a lot of heartache in the future, especially if you are pulling out of public school system. You can join this organization for $85 a year and they will provide all the legal assistance that you need, even those who have to go to court over issues. It will also give you peace of mind if someone confronts you of why your child is not in "school." Just show them your "legal defense card" and say they can talk to your attorney. It really is that simply. Never answer their questions, always put them in touch with your attorney. Once you answer them, it makes your case more difficult. This is a great investment.
Someone said it in another post, but NO ONE knows what their child needs better than the parent. You can homeschool and do a great job! If I can do it anyone can!!! It does not hinder with my transcription work either!!
Homeschooling
By the post below, I have noticed that there are a few people here that homeschool. I am curious how you approached this and what steps you took to get started?
I have a son (five-years-old) who is in the public school system at the moment with a developmental delay. I don't feel that his needs are being met at the moment academically or socially for that matter, so I am interested to learn about homeschooling, as I think this may be an option for me to approach given the particular situation.
Any information that anyone who homeschools could provide would be wonderful!
Thank you very much and have a wonderful day!
Homeschooling MTs in GA!
Hi, I am a single mom through adoption from China homeschooling my two girls! I live on the south side of Atlanta. Email me if you want to chat! Jan J.
MT and Homeschooling
Hi I also have two small children and MT full time. I have a son age 4 and a daughter, almost 3. I read your post and we seem to have similar views on things. I am also hoping to homeschool my children. Was wondering if we could keep in touch via e-mail. Please let me know if that would be okay. I've never posted on this board before but I read frequently. I hope I'm doing this right...
Homeschooling is the best
I have homeschooled for 12 years now. I started out because I knew I did not want to put them in public school, couldn't afford private, but absolutely am so glad I made the choice to homeschool. I'm from the state of Indiana. In our state, you do not want to go with charter school. That still allows the state to control you education and that is what you want to get away from. In our state, if you have little ones who are not in the school system, you do not even want to register with the state. For the best information on your state's homeschooling regulations go to Home School Legal Defense Association website. You can depend on their information. If you choose to join their organization (I wouldn't be without them) it is well worth the money and gives you the support you need. Many, many curriculums out there that are good -- my favorite, A Beka. I know that I'm giving my kids an excellent education!! Could share much more info. Email me if you would like to.
I tried homeschooling
hated it. I think it is all about being involved with the school. My daughter is in public school and doing GREAT! Good luck to you. Don't let anyone bully you into thinking that all public schools are no good -- it is NOT true.
The down side to homeschooling
I have personally seen kids that have been home schooled and become "out of touch" with society. These kids ultimately end up having "culture shock" when they are out in the real world and around lots of people.
I know of several kids that were home schooled and when the parents decided it was too much and they sent them back to school the kids were "THRILLED!" During the home schooling process, the kids became disengaged from friends and became loners.
Again, this is my own personal experience that I have witnessed through friends.
DON'T FLAME ME this is just what I have witnessed first hand!!!!!
Homeschooling x 5 years
I have 3 boys. The first we homeschooled for two years. It did not work at all. He is very social and loved being in school around other kids. He is now in high school and is thriving. We homeschooled him for 4th and 5th because he was having so much trouble keeping up with work.
Sons #2 and 3 are in 4th and 5th and we have homeschooled them all the way from kindergarten. They are wonderful little boys who are not half as social as their brother. My youngest is very shy and introverted. My middle one talks all the time, very much an auditory learner.
But all along they have been involved in a group that teaches twice a week in a class setting. For us, this gives us the best of both worlds. They take history, PE, Spanish, geography, and science in this group. I teach the rest of the curriculum using Bob Jones satellite for grammar, reading, and math. So essentially I don't teach. I am the "overseer" of scheduling, supplies, and grades. It requires a tremendous amount of time and committment though from me. We start at 9 a.m. and finish each day about 3.
My husband worried incessantly at first too that the boys were going to be social freaks or something. Then when the social stuff kicks in, Cub Scouts, co-op, gym at the YMCA, plus a library reading group, he starts saying now, You need to stay home more!
It's not really homeschooling for us. It's independent learning/modified private school. A lot of co-ops are spring up like this. It helps with those of us who want the social aspect without dealing with public school traumas, like homework!!!!
The only problem for me is really the time - it is so tiring. But I do it for the kids and have to remind myself of that a lot. My youngest, being so shy, has the same group of friends for the last four years and has been so happy and settled. Being in a new class each year would be very traumatic for him.
Anyway, good luck. It can be done but research, research, research. The options are endless out there anymore. My recommendation is to start with a really good support group if you can find one and talk to people there. Remember, not all support groups are the same. Many have started based on different educating or parenting beliefs. We dropped out of several due to some problems with bratty kids or uncaring parents who just let the kids run wild. The group we are in now is small but dedicated to teaching and playing time. They are all well-educated too and such a source of information.
God Bless.
Homeschooling mom in GA...What part of GA
I'm in Waycross. I didn't think there was very much homeschooling here. I'm planning on home schooling my daughter before junior high. I was just curious what part of GA you were in.
I will be homeschooling 3 kids
Last year I homeschooled 2 and this year my daughter will be homeschooled as well. They are excited but I'm still trying to get ready. We do have a lot of fun and our days are more structured which helps me get my work done.
Need help on possibly homeschooling a 9th grader
Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
A story about homeschooling.....very long
First of all, please know that this post is NOT to say that homeschooling is not as good as public or private school, because that is not my belief at all. I have 2 nieces and 1 nephew on my husband's side of the family who are absolute geniuses because of being homeschooled. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about this subject, and I had not even heard of it when my children were young. But this is what happened on the other side of my faily.
My nephews, now ages 14 and 10, were homeschooled by my SIL (my brother's wife). Their 1st son started out in first grade in public school, but they had trouble with the teacher at the very beginning so they pulled him out because they thought the teacher thought the child was not advanced enough to be in first grade. I don't know the whole story because they were always so "private" that they never really shared a lot with us, or maybe just me, I don't really know. Anyway, they decided to homeschool. Honestly, we as the family around them did not feel this was the right thing to do (1) because my SIL was sooo protective, (2) we didn't feel she really had enough education herself to do this (even though I do understand the the cirriculum really "tells" you how to teach, and (3) the fact that there is not a homeschool group close by where we live and my nephew was already showing signs of some kind of social "something" where he didn't interact with other children well - I don't know, just somehow kind of off socially.
Anyway, trying to make a long story somewhat shorter here, they did homeschool hime and his younger brother when he became old enough. Everybody like it well enough, but I could tell that these nephews did not thrive on it nearly as well as my nieces and nephew on the other side of the family, who had really great parents and a really geat support group. Then....my SIL came down with cancer -- melanoma with brain mets -- and for the 14 months or so before she died, the boys used videos and the help of my mother and their other grandmother to continue to homeschool. After their mother died last September, they homeschooled with a friend for the remainder of the calendar year, at which point the friend bailed on them and my brother enrolled them in a Christian school in our area.
Now they are both having MAJOR trouble in school, math particularly. The oldest one has tons of homework and obviously really does not know "how" to study. Sometimes he gets long assignments early and has a few days to work on them, but he "forgets" to start on them, or "forgets" to look at his agenda where he has it written, etc. The kids at school make fun of him and he is almost a complete social misfit - really just because of his personality and, I think, because he has only had 1 or 2 friends all these years, and those were children of a friend of his mother's who has now pretty much dropped out of the family's life so ... poof! - there went those friends. The younger one is having trouble also but not so much socially. But the older one is completely miserable - here he is, beginning his teenage years and no friends at all, his mother gone, living way out in the country where there is not much to do since he "doesn't play anymore" as he puts it, and homework lots of night from 3:30 or 4 p.m. to 10 or 10:30 - plus, on top of it all, he has developed a smart-mouth which is driving his overloaded dad absolutely crazy!
My brother now says that maybe the homeschooling experiment wasn't such a good idea after all. :(
Homeschooling High Schooler
I, too, am thinking about homeschooling my 9th grader. He goes to a school that is akin to a public zoo. The boy who sits next to him in Algebra is very proud of the fact that he has amassed a record-breaking 275 referrals already this school year. As you can imagine, my son is failing this and all of his other classes as the teachers do absolutely nothing to discipline the disruptive students. My son has struggled with ADHD all of his school career and this is a horrible situation for him. He is begging me to homeschool him and I am tempted, but do you who have homeschooled a high schooler think it is a good idea? I have investigated private schools (none affordable in my area) and also after school tutoring but that was not successful. I am at a loss as to how to help my son, but don't want to "lose him." My oldest son dropped out of high school in the 10th grade because he was so disillusioned.
I'll be homeschooling for the first time
NM
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on homeschooling. nm
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Yes. And I'm thinking of homeschooling next year...
so I'm sure it will just get worse, although I hardly talk to any of the other moms at school anyway. It's more of a drop off at school, pick up from school thing. Other than that, I'd say I basically have no friends. We moved up here about 8 years ago. I made good friends at my job, but then my surprise baby came along, had health issues, and I ended up quitting, studying MT, and have been working at home for the last 5 years. I've fallen out of contact with my friends from work. I do have one that we e-mail back and forth from time to time, but it's just not the same when you're not with them for 8 hours of every day.
Approach homeschooling with knowledge. sm
I have family in California that homeschool their children, and it is wonderful. The mother has an education, sets up great courses, and the support network there is absolutely fantastic. Sports, music, field trips, clubs, they are all available. They couldn't get a better education anywhere, and the socialization is absolutely great.
However, I had to homeschool my son last year for health reasons, and there can be real problems. He is an only child and was left out of all the school social activities. Unfortunately, there is no homeschooling network in my area, the nearest one is 150 miles away, so there were no field trips, sports activities, etc. We live in a small town, and not much is available outside school. It took him 2-3 months to get back into the social swing in high school. Fortunately he is very well adjusted, and turned out fine. Be sure the pieces are in place before you homeschool. Otherwise, you will be the only support your child has, and it can be almost a full-time job, especially if you have to start your own organization. I highly recommend homeschooling if you are in an area to do so. It can be a great experience and children can learn so much faster than in the public school. Good luck.
I'm in my 9th year of homeschooling. Have worked
FT the entire time. I work a split schedule, half morning hours and then the rest evening hours. That allows me time to homeschool, fix meals, do housework, etc.
My comparison of homeschooling to MTing at home.
"A full-time job isn't finished in 3 hours (like the abbreviated day many homeschoolers boast about). It's about being there on time, sticking to it even though you may not feel like it, and getting along with people you may not care for, and avoiding those who are not good for you."
DANG! And that's why I got into medical transcription. LOL I didn't want to work fulltime or stick it out in an office. And that whole getting there on time thing, oh, I've never been good with that one.
GEEZZZZ!!!! What a heated debate about homeschooling!...
Man, this is surely a hot topic! Everyone certainly has their own opinion. In the end, you just have to do for your child what you feel is right. Each child is so different, and you are the only one who REALLY knows YOUR child. Some children flourish in the public school system. Some do not for whatever reason. My first two childen went to public school.
My third (ADHD) WANTED to go to public school, but just couldn't handle it, no matter how much medication and how much counseling, and ended up being homeschooled through the internet for 6,7,8, and begged to try the 2,000 kid high school, so she did. Total disaster. Constant phone calls from the school (same as in grade school) and a 1.6 GPA. She then went back to homeschool through the local alternative school, got a 4.0 GPA. Begged to try the high school again for Junior year. Even worst disaster. 0.6 GPA. She flunked everything she couldn't bring HOME to do. Flunked floral design, basketball, swimming, ceramics, band. Passed all the academics, English, history, science. She is now back to homeschooling through the alternative school, but is allowed to go to the high school dances and walk down the isle for graduation, so she is not too unhappy with that. Good luck to you, whatever you choose.
We view homeschooling from opposite spectrums.
But that is okay. What you describe would never work for me -- that is why there are so many different curriculums out there because we are so diverse with different needs. A Beka is a very advanced program and I am satisfied that the education my children are getting will serve them for life in no matter what situation they find themselves in -- from a doctor to the President! They are excelling above most or all of their friends and to me that speaks well for A Beka.
Not MT-related (sorry).
Anyone know the official name for crime scene tape that is used by just ordinary people to rope areas off? It says something else besides crime scene. Need to buy some and trying to do a search at different stores, but you can imagine what I'm finding when I search for tape.
Thanks
Not MT related but --
What would you do? I have a home I am selling thru a realtor. This realtor listed the house and has personally shown in to no one (4+ weeks). I have had people see the house thru the MLS, but I had to be here to show them because she was always busy or could not make it. She had an open house last week, I live on a street that is about 3 blocks long, dead end at both ends, about 2 blocks off a main street - there were no signs posted at the main intersection, none at the next corner, directing them to the house - she put 1 sign up, in my front yard - needless to say no one showed up (she was also 20 minutes late for the open house). She has also forgotten to call me when she makes an appt and I was taken totally by surprise when the possible buyer showed up at my door. Maybe I am wrong but I don't think she is doing her job - any ideas or suggestions, am thinking about cancelling her contract already (will cost me $250) because I feel I am doing everything myself and also because houses in this area usually sell within 2-3 weeks of going on the market. Any suggestions or ideas? Thanks.
are we related?! lol
i have a SIL exactly like that!! 
non-MT related but
do cats go off to die alone? I had a cat which has disappeared. It's been about 2 weeks now since I've seen him. He did used to drink out of the toilet (gross, I know) and I'm wondering if this made him sick. Otherwise he seemed okay. Just wondering if this has happened to any of you.
Just MT-related?
My divorce is final!!!!! :)
What is up with you? Are you related to Frank?
Frank knows that. What a sourpus.
Can't be related to MQ lawsuit
My ipay statement said is was for a DEP adjustment, but the majority of the lines in question were done on the various old platforms, Medwrite, Enterprise, etc...remember it goes back to 1998.
I got the ipay notice but no check or letter yet. I have direct deposit but nothing in there either
Not MT related, but need advice.
Is it inappropriate to wear black to a wedding?
If so, what is appropriate?
Not MT-related but I must vent
When a hurricane is headed toward a given vicinity, I thought the drill was have plenty of water and food for at least 3 days for each person in the home. You'd think Floridians would know this better than anyone. I'm a Floridian myself. Fortunately my area was not affected by Wilma, but guess what? I STILL have supplies stocked. I LIVE IN FLORIDA for heaven's sake!
As soon as the wind let up, people were forming lines... and they expected water and ice to magically appear on every street corner.
Granted, the elderly and poor may not be as equipped to prepare like the able-bodied and financially secure, but these are the ones and the ONLY ones who should have been needing help at this early stage. Did you see the caliber of cars in those lines? Many were new, nice, and expensive. No excuse. I'm sorry.
It's bad enough that many are going to go without power for weeks. Wouldn't it have nice been if local, state, and federal governments had a couple days to position themselves in an organized manner? Or be able to provide for the poor and elderly in a more expidient manner rather than servicing a gaggle of people? This would have been hard even under the best conditions, but at least possible had more citizens cooperated by heeding recommendations to be prepared.
Thanks for letting me vent...
are we related RadGuy??? nm
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Not housekeeping related but why would you be
engaged to someone who not only doesn't help financially but also brings their mother along for the ride?
I have a QA related question
Concerning my new job, which I started about two weeks ago: My QA, so far, has only given me feedback twice. When one of the errors was over misspelling the name of a local clinic, I asked her if she could tell me where I might find this information. I have yet to get a response from her. Another error was misspelling a clinic docs name (not from the hospital I am transcribing). I asked her again with no response. Am I asking the wrong person? Should I be asking HR instead?
Thank you!
Not mt related but need info
on drug and alcohol addiction intervention - my sister is doing one Wednesday night at church for both her husband and her 23 year old daughter and I would like to know what to expect. I think the husband is so far gone nothing will help. The daughter is into alcohol and recently got into meth, has a 2 year old and am terrified of what is going to happen to her if she does not get help, she went into rehab but they only kept her 3 days and now is going to 5, 8-hour days of therapy. Her and her mom are always at each other, do not get along (mother is also bipolar), Any ideas as to what I can expect? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
RE: totally not MT related
What a childish attitude. The woman is not seeing your husband, nor is she interested as per your post, so why would it upset you? Your best option would be to put it out of your mind and consider placing your anger at something more important.
Are we related? I have a cousin just like this....sm
as long as she thinks the spotlight can be on her she's all for everything - but if she's not in the spotlight then she doesn't show up, etc. At least I got off the hook when she got married for the FOURTH time - she had a small wedding and invited my nephew (ring bearer), my sister/brother-in-law and my brother (photographer) but I didn't get an invite as she didn't have space.... so I never sent her even a card acknowledging her marriage.
I wonder if your family is related to my MIL
When I decided to stay home, she had a fit! I told her it just made practical sense. We had a premature daughter and with all of these warnings about RSV in preemies, I just decided not to take the risk of putting her in daycare. Especially since I have experience in a field that allows you to stay home. Well...when we told her this decision, you would have thought the world was falling apart based on our decision alone. What she doesn't realize is the money we are saving by my staying at home! No daycare bill, no money spent on gas or lunches. Even after we explained it all to her she still didn't understand. I got to the point where I just basically told her it was our decision and our business. We were the ones paying OUR bills and we were the one worrying about our daughter. You would think the lady would be supportive because this IS her granddaughter, but oh no. The funny thing is she doesn't mind calling me and asking me to watch her other granddaughter whenever the sitter is sick or has a vacation because her other daughter-in-law "works".
Oh! The MIL works at the local bank... I make sure I go to her lane every time I go into to cash my check!
not related necessarily
but I need a part-time job and would love to find one in DQS. Actually, at this point, would like to find anything I can do. Would it be too much to ask to e-mail me with any leads? TIA.
Eye related question . . .
Is it possible to have the beginnings of macular degeneration with a perferct field of vision?
I would look into something health related
I'd look into something in the health field so that your MT background is at least partially relevant such as insurance claims processor for a health insurance company, a coder, or in billing for a large clinic or hospital. I don't think any of those require more college, although they may prefer some training at least. There are of course many other directions in the health field, but many have you interacting with people.
MT and non-related work
Hello Fellow Transcriptionist. I was wondering if someone out there could answer a few questions to set me on the right track. I would like to freelance medical and non-medical transcriptions as well and was wondering how to charge for this by the page or by the line count? Also would like to know things to avoid or helpful tips with this adventure?? Thanks a ton.
Totally not MT-related, but need advice
My old crockpot (have had it for 20+ years) needs to be replaced. It seems to work fine but the plastic lid is totally cracked. It's probably losing heat because of this, so I would like to get a new one. I know there are some folks on here who use their crockpots a lot and was hoping for a little advice. I was thinking about getting a programmable one. I don't really NEED it, since I'm at home working anyway, but wonder if it offers any advantages over the regular kind. I would probably get the 5-quart model. Any feedback would be appreciated. TIA.
help please, re Amway related business
my daughter and s-i-l, who cannot afford it, are about to get snookered into Quixtar, a company related to Amway. Can anyone give me info about their experiences with this? thanks.
If I have a transcription related question
I ask it and may get one or two responses, usually nothing helpful. However, any ol' goofball question that has nothing whatsoever to do with transcription - and there are a couple dozen or more responses. Some people would like to come here for help and advice on MT issues. Unfortunately, MT doesn't seem to interest the people who visit this board. There are many MT related questions posted with no replies at all.
If you look over this page and the next 2-3 pages (that's just a sample) and look at the longest threads...what is being discussed?...cats, dogs, high schools, Walmart, gays, gay movies, etc. The folks who are trying to benefit from visiting this board have to sift through all of that nonsense in order to see MT related topics.
Not MT-related. A houseplant question. SM
Could anyone tell me how to start an English ivy? I have a plant from my grandmother that both my sisters want a start from. I am lucky it has still survived with me, but is quite healthy looking and grows like crazy! How can I make a start from this plant?
Thanks!
Not MT-related, but a quick poll....sm
If you receive poor service from a business do you:
A. Discuss the problem with the first employee you come in contact with.
B. Call/visit the manager and discuss the issue.
C. Let's say that A&B didn't bring resolution. Would you then contact the next higher up person, i.e. the owner, company headquarters, etc. or would you just forget it?
Where is the pain? Is it sinus related?
If the pain is around your eyes, try to find that little hole over each eye, just below the eyebrow, where nerves come through. If the area is tender, gently rubbing one of those holes may give some relieve. If the headache is muscular, make faces to stretch jaw muscles. Make your mouth small and round at the same time you lower your mandible as far as you can go, still holding your lips in a fairly tight O shape. As your mandible reaches the bottom of its range, pull your lips in to give a good stretch. Do this slowly several times. Notice the muscles involved, and try to keep them loose. Hope these maneuvers help you.
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