How can verbatim=garbage?
Posted By: we are not doctors on 2006-12-06
In Reply to: I have to disagree, verbatim is not professional - sm
We transcribe what professionals dictate. These people went to college for a long, long time to learn their profession. Who are we to say verbatim=garbage!!! Become a physician, then talk that garbage! Give me a break! We average $25.00 an hour if we're lucky as transcriptionists, and these physicians are making much, much more than that because they went to school to be a physician and treat patients. Come on! Transcription is just that, typing what the doctors say verbatim, maybe correct a little inconsistency here and there (we're all human), but to say the physicians' statements are garbage is wrong, wrong, wrong! If we were so bright, we wouldn't be typing, we'd be doctors!!!!!!!!!!! Let's give credit where credit is due! Bottom line is no doctors-no transcriptionists! AAMT is just another company out there trying to turn a buck! They don't know it all and neither do we for goodness sakes! Do the best job you can because believe me if you are that important in the medical field (as a transcriptionist), you'd make what the doctors are making!!!!! I'm sure I'll get blasted for this one!!!! Oh well!
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Verbatim is verbatim, but I defintely to the little things to make the doc look better such as..sm
an eye problem instead of a eye problem. I definitely wouldn't change too much. Stick with what they say and only make changes when you absolutely think it is necessary. I took a test last night and have an interview today and this is what I did. FYI, I do clinic work.
Verbatim = verbatim......flag it...NM
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regarding you saying you have enough garbage -
what a disgustingly racist thing to say.
Garbage in, garbage out.
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And why do we put up with all this garbage?!?!?
Because we've been forced to...that is why. I own a small MTSO and I have become frustrated myself. I could outsource overseas and make more money, but that is not an option for me as I have worked for companies who did offshore and only paid me 8.5 cents/line with 25-years experience! I cannot afford to stay in business and compete with companies who are outsourcing overseas. I have become so frustrated that I have found a new niche in health and wellness (the next trillion $ industry) and I am setting my goals for 1 year in this nasty business and then I'm done!! I think other frustrated MTs should try to find other ways to make money...Life is too short to do something that is so frustrating 10 hours plus a day. I've been in transcription for 25 years and began on a typewriter with a reel-to-reel machine...and this is what we've come to. Let's leave this nasty business to the offshore companies who are willing to work for peanuts...cuz I'm done being abused, disrespected, etc. 
BOS garbage
Ditto on the above. As a proofreader for years, I find the books mentioned above are much more correct and usable than the book of style promulgated by AAMT. They just change something if they want to willy-nilly and expect us to go for it. I think Gregg's is a great book and their many others. I find it difficulty to understand why major companies would want to follow a bunch of rules promulgated by a gaggle of uneducated transcriptionists in that book of style. It is very irritating to be forced by an employer to use some of those things which are obviously and patently incorrect:
That's right. Garbage in, garbage out...sm
Some are too quick to blame the MT or equipment or sound waves or man in the moon for poor quality transcription. Standard dictation equipment carries a better sound quality today than ever, better than the average cell phone as far as sound goes, and we have no trouble at all understanding our friends on the phone, right? It's the dictators. And it's not just the ESLs that are causing the problem, but most dictators, native and foreign, are just plain inconsiderate or thoughtless. They shuffle through charts while they make us wait and sleepwalk through a patient history, then speed 78 rpm through meds, labs, which are the mainstay of a dictation. Who cares where the patient went to grammar school? Just take the extra 3 seconds it takes to spell me the name of his PCP!
BOS garbage
I agree 100%. It is crap! I was typing for years when this so called "bible" was introduced and I was expected me to change what was corrected to begin with. First off, I had two years of typing in school prior to becoming a MT, by the way I started out transcribing on a typewriter...remember those, So, I did not buy into the BOS rather let my Drs make the call. Since they put more trust in me than that book...well I guess you figured it out. It never happened. Personally, I would never work for someone you used the book. Garbage, all about making money.
what garbage!
I live in a New York neighborhood where I do not come into contact with blacks who speak Ebonics.
And if so, I could certainly not understand what they are saying.
If you were of European decent and somebody would insinuate that you are Indian because your syntax is not QUITE American, wouldn't this strike a nerve with you?
One can live a looooong time in New York, without having to understand or talk Ebonics.
What a garbage you post!
just change it to Garbage...
cuz that's what they are!
I only have a second to answer. Same garbage
happened to me. My lawyer didn't give a hoot about me. I paid him big bucks, too. This is what I did and BOY DID IT WORK. Look in the yellow pages under lawyers - I can't remember the name, but lawyers are governed by a formal something or other, just as physicians are governed by the AMA. Seriously, I am just sneaking here for a second, but I know you can find this info. Its who the laywers answer to. Call that number and tell them you want to file a formal complaint against your own lawyer for improper handling of your divorce matters. The people at the # for me were super nice. They have formal forms for you to fill out, and once you call and ask for them, they ask you for the name of the attorney. The attorney gets contacted. The minute mine got contacted that I was about to file a complaint, he did all the stuff he was supposed to do a year ago, and promptly refunded ALL OF MY $$!. It was great! The divorce papers werer revised. I got my stuff, my freedom, my maiden name back AND my $$. I have to run. Bye
When US MTs refuse to edit their garbage
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I am white and offended by that garbage post as
well. I am so sorry there are people like above poster in this world. A nice informatie post turns to garbage - oh well. 
And if you get truly garbage dictation, you'll never break
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I work early morning shift and I get the garbage
leftover from the day before. I will often get 6 reports from a very difficult ESL dictator and they may be over an 8 hour period of dictation. When there is such a gap in the dictation you know you are being assigned these reports, not just luck of the draw. All work is assigned by the office. I have seen my line count drop about 4000 lines/pay period the last couple of months because I'm getting such bad dictators. I don't mind doing my fair share, but it certainly isn't fair that my line count is being affected like it is.
I have complained to my supervisor and it got better for a couple of months and now it is the same crap all over again and I'm looking to move on.
Yes, all utilities, garbage pick-up, home repoairs involving your office, etc
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Went to pig roast. Chefs had no idea how to cook pig. Ended up smelling and tasting like garbage.
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To finish...no one obviously feels like typing up, so the night people get the pool garbage. Grrrr.
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Verbatim for ESL too?
Geez, if that were the case on my account (not MQ), you wouldn't believe the crap I'd be putting out - "59 years old pt, denies of chest pain, comes to ER for short of breath," and I could go on and on.
Verbatim
I still don't understand, for example I have a doc who does about 20 lengthy bypass operations a week. I have a 4-page "standard", that I just immediately pull up. He never dictates it the same way twice, I just simply pull up my standard, put ears on, follow along and delete, insert, change and so on as he dictates, and that is as good as verbatim.
Since I am on verbatim also, I use whatever s/he says..
Jim for James etc....however, if the doc is clearly off track, he starts calling Mary by the name of Frank for instance (it has happened) then I flag it.
verbatim
The docs at a big teaching hospital I formerly worked for did not put punctuation marks after the word HOWEVER. That's the way they wanted it and we were marked down if we added the comma.
verbatim, really?
Of course verbatim means typing EVERY SINGLE word they say, even when it's a side conversation, a snide comment, etc. One thing I do that may not help them at all but makes me feel that I've at least let them know that I know - I enclose such words in quote marks to set them off from the real words.
Verbatim
As a private IC there was a prominent heart surgeon from Iran whose dictation I "cleaned up" constantly or he would have been the laughing stock of the community. Sometimes you have to "save face" for the client. If I worked for a national and they QA'd me from saving someone from a drastic error, I would immediately "quit." Another ESL went to hospital admin to tell them I was "his friend," I did not change the meaning but there were several instances when I had to make sense of things for him to cover the hospital's reputation. I was taught never to "change the meaning" and to put certain language "in quotes" although as an IC, I would always call the client first and they usually thanked me. When you work for another service, you can't do this, so it makes it very difficult.I guess you have to go with who pays you, but I would never, never type a senseless sentence.Good luck to those who have "bad QA assessments." They should know better.
verbatim
it's stupid and dangerous to type verbatim. Some hospitals stupidly insist on it cuz they believe we can't think for ourselves. They say "We've always done it that way." Well God forbid you should TRY TO IMPROVE. they say "well, you don't KNOW what he meant." My answer to that is "well, YOU may not know, but I do!" They just don't want to be bothered with having to actually think about it. Any decent trx with many years' experience and worth her salt GENERALLY knows what the doc really means but can't spit out, for one reason or another. I'm married to a doc - I know. But he DOES want us to leave blanks if we DON'T KNOW - better that than making something up, which he does see all the time from Spheris trxs. That's what happens when you hire people with one year of experience and don't monitor them closely, of which Spheris is guilty. And leaving a message for them on ESA doesn't work, cuz the doc won't see it till he goes to sign if off, and by that time, he has no earthly idea what he said. Nor does he care!
IF they got verbatim EXACTLY what they said,
they'd probably be in total shock at how ridiculous they actually sound when they dictate. Don't you just want to give them what they give you sometimes?
Verbatim
The problem is with the client profile. It should not ever have the word "verbatim" in it because the word by definition means "word for word" and we all know all of us from time to time and doctors especially speak garbage and have to be cleaned up. If with followed the client profile and transcribed "verbatim," screams would echo across the country. So I am all for removing that word from all the client profiles unless they truly want reports transcribed verbatim, word for word. We could do that, but it would not be much of a record.
verbatim, no BOS sm
Who are they? I would love to throw the BOS out the window, please e-mail me. Sick of all the new rules which don't amount to a hill of beans anyway at most times.
verbatim
I must be getting old. I'm finding it more and more difficult to "follow directions" as I age regarding this subject. I can't believe these younger physicians don't want us to fix the glaring errors. The real trouble is there's no one who will be the intermediary between the transriber and the doc, maybe, like back in the day. Way too many cooks stirring the broth and complicating what used to be a common-sense and less complicated situation, transcribing, that is.
i do verbatim too, but still BOS has
many points of reference that are helpful. I am one that hated the idea of a BOS, but when i finally succumbed, found there was a lot of useful info in it. Its not a bad idea to have a common reference point.
They may want verbatim, but if they are in
an acute care facility BOS overrides what they want. JCAHO can give/withhold accreditation based on the medical records and they say follow BOS. It isn't that is is an issue of style as much as it is a patient safety issue.
Verbatim
The hospital I work for now is a verbatim account, but we were told to spell out everything in DX, Impression, etc. I spelled out a lab abbrev and it looked so weird, but QA/Trainer told me to spell it out. Very contradictory so if it ever comes back as getting "dinged" for it I am going to tell QA who told me and they better not takes points off my audit.
verbatim is hard for me too
It is very hard for me to deliberately type wrong words, phrases, etc. It makes me think someday someone is going to read that document and say "gads where did they get that transcrptionist!" not knowing we have to type it as dictated.
verbatim accounts
I thought the idea was to correct their poor dictation in most circumstances...I'm wondering why any client would prefer it verbatim, for legal reasons?
that is verbatim. QAs are only human too. nm
you could fix it if you wanted to or is it verbatim? nm
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Well, now if it is a verbatim account and
the dictator said, "during this hospital stay" and the MT transcribed "during this hospitalization" -- that is wrong. It all depends on what the client profile outlines.
Seriously, do you *really* type verbatim? sm
I don't. I'm supposed to, but I've told my super that nothing with my initials on it will ever read like "Patient hand swollen." Yep, I take some liberties. I clean things up, I've added in words, taken some out, rearranged words. I think count-wise it comes out even because I'm not padding and I remove words probably about as often as I add them.
If you are on a verbatim account, are you really typing "Obese patient older than says age, no toxic"?
Only typed verbatim twice
once for a Russian infectious disease MD. After one week of strict verbatim reports, evidently she got a talking to by the senior partner and her style became acceptable.
The hospital is one of the larget and most respected hospitals in the US. All residents much pass a week-long course dedicated strictly to how to chart, how to document, how to dictate. Each resident must personally sign his/her own name daily on a log in sheet and anyone who misses a day does not get to start with the rest of peers. One day is devoted SOLEY to HOW TO DICTATE and accepting full legal responsibility for the dictation. They have to sign an agreement that the hospital will not provide legal support if their documentation falls short of their standards and the resident has to provide his/her own funding against any lawsuit. If they dictate a reversal of pulse rate/respiratory rate, I could switch them, but I had to send it to QA who attached a note to the dictator covering the MTSO from any repercution.
Best dictators I EVER had!
If these dictators actually got verbatim
reports, they would probably have a stroke and need immediate medical attention. It is scary to think that these people dictating take care of us and our families. I certainly hope they are better at treating than they are at dictating.
is this a verbatim account?....nm
Oy. And I suppose it's verbatim.
So then you have to ask if you are supposed to leave the stoopid stuff in or take it out??
Hate verbatim, also, except
that *if* you get used to it, you really do not have to worry about THEIR errors...
that said, it forces you to NOT care about the quality/accuracy of the work and that sucks for those of us who take price in quality work.
I cannot wait until I can say adios to this work (or at least be able to go to part-time).
Verbatim dictation
The company I work types verbatim as well. I would not have it any other way. It is much better than trying to remember 50,000 rules by the BOS!!
Quality and verbatim
Even though you type verbatim does not mean you type all the mistakes the doctor's dictate. I would NEVER type an error. When in doubt, it is blanked and sent to QA.
The company I work for is known for their QUALITY and we type VERBATIM on all accounts except stated otherwise in account specifics.
Verbatim means, according to
the dictionery, word for word exactly as given. I think that means every single word even the little aside remarks, phone conversations, sort of almost corrections, EVERYTHING!! I wonder how long they would accept that before changing their minds, or do they really prefer lousy quality??
simply verbatim
Has anyone worked for this company? Just curious.
No. You said verbatim acct. Maybe that is why
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Even on a verbatim account,
It sounds as if he was obviously having trouble organizing his thoughts. This is exactly why I no longer work on verbatim accounts. I like being able to use my brain and be trusted enough to make the necessary corrections.
That's why I LOVE MY JOB. VERBATIM!!
No stupid BOS rules to follow. We type what is dictated unless there is a gross medical error and then we leave a blank and send back to facility!! We also follow account specifics for each facility.
Is it a verbatim account?
I to am QA and the only way I would take the and out is if it a verbatim account and the doctor did not dictate it. I don't think QA changes things just to make a change. I know I don't.
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