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Front-end/back-end systems...

Posted By: TechSupport on 2009-03-09
In Reply to: What is the difference between front-end and back-end speech? I don't know - jj

"Front-end" SR means that the original dictator's speech is turned into text. "Back-end" SR means that someone listens to the original dictator, redictating and "cleaning up" the original dication.  This "sanitized" redictation is then fed into the SR engine. 


The main disadvantage of "front-end" systems in the healthcare setting is that they must try to adapt to the speech peculiarities of many different dictators, whereas a "back-end" system only has to deal with the speech patterns of one dictator, namely the person who does the redictation.


Back-end dictation adds a layer of human intelligence to the conversion of speech to text because the person redictating presumably catches errors, eliminates hesitations and miscues, squares up ambiguous sentence structures, etc. - things that front-end dictation cannot do or does very poorly.  As such, while the back-end speech engine might still cause some errors that require keyboard correction, there should not be nearly as many as front-end systems produce.  And, a back-end SR application can be less sophisticated than a front-end system because it is not being required to deal with so many vagaries of human speech.  In fact, a back-end SR application does not need artificial intelligence at all, whereas front-end SR really does.


 


 


 




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I'm looking at going from the good ol' tapes to digital dictation.  What is the best choice for the $$? 


 


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Hi.  Please let me know if I should post this on a different board. The hospital I work for is looking to change dictating/transcribing systems.  We have dictaphone extext and are looking at WinScribe, Escription, or really we are wide open. 


Does anyone know of a good internet resource that compares the pros and cons? 


Would any of you be willing to share your experience, good or bad, with any software you have used? 


Is there a forum or a thread that has already covered this you can direct me to to research?


TIA!


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I agree, we train the VR systems and when
they are perfect (maybe this will never happen), then VR replaces us. Duh?
How can this be an incentive for MTs?
CHS is Community Health Systems
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Typing and backwards, what systems do you use?
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Point of Care systems

Anyone here had experience with doctors going to Point of Care systems (Pulse)? My doctors are trying this now and I'm wondering if it will be too difficult and time consuming for them. Sure is cutting way back on my work. Thanks. Teri.


Point of Care Systems
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Yes, the icon is in the systems tray. nm
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Be up front

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Your name sounds familiar.  You wouldn't happen to have a husband named Mikkos, would you?


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Voice Systems, LLC
Contact: Cindy Adams
PO Box 72046
Albany, Georgia 31721
voicesystems@mchsi.com
Telephone: NO CALLS, Fax: 877-883-9873

Title of position: Transcriptionist
Experience: 10 years as a transcriptionist.
Location of position: Georgia
At home or company: Work from home
Full or Part time: Full-time position
Type of Transcription: Many types of transcription.
Specialty: Orthopedics
Job Description: 10 years experience with orthopedic operative notes and discharge summaries.
Hardware/Software: High speed internet, Pentium IV computer, XP Pro, Word platform, familiary with VXP player, and typing into hospital system.
Method of sending/receiving dictation: Internet based
Compensation Information: competitive, 65 cpl, IC status only, great opportunity
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Try opening up ShortHand before log in. Works with other systems like that. nm
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Most Dictaphone stuff is proprietary and won't work with other systems.
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I have a cat who dashes in front of my feet
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Our cat (yes we have a zoo) plops on my desk right in front of me - sm
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