French 1st Language dictators
Posted By: Margaret Walker on 2007-05-06
In Reply to: I think French just might be - Argh
My take is that you are both correct and mistaken. People with French as their mother tongue can be both challenging and reliable to transcribe in English. The challenging part is the omission of certain sounds that are normal to the English-attuned ear. The reliable part is that the differences one hears are usually SO predictable. I belive that with more info I can help you even with your specific problem.
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?? Bad dictators are bad dictators regardless of their mother language.
wonder when people will just get over it and do what they can and move on.
ESLs are about 60-70% of the dictators, we as language
With this particular doc did you just guess, or did you leave blanks? How many times did you listen? Did you ask for help? They all basically have the same or similar awful accents, so in the beginning you need to take the time to really listen and get to know the accent, that way in the future you can zip through them. What did you do to make them fire you, what was the mistake exactly?
English may not be the official language on the federal level, but it is the NATIONAL language. sm
From Wikipedia:
Although the United States has no official language at the federal level, English is the national language.
In 2003, about 215 million, or 82 percent of the population aged five years and older, spoke only English at home. Spanish, spoken by over 10 percent of the population at home, is the second most common language and the most widely taught foreign language.[139][140] Immigrants seeking naturalization must know English. Some Americans advocate making English the country's official language, as it is in at least twenty-eight states.[141] Both Hawaiian and English are official languages in Hawaii by state law.[142] Several insular territories also grant official recognition to their native languages, along with English: Samoan and Chamorro are recognized by Samoa and Guam, respectively; Carolinian and Chamorro are recognized by the Northern Mariana Islands; Spanish is an official language of Puerto Rico. While neither has an official language, New Mexico has laws providing for the use of both English and Spanish, as Louisiana does for English and French.[143]
P.S. Miami may be one of the largest cities, but it is still just one city located in one small state. There are 49 other states. Miami is just a small speck when you compare it to the rest of the United States.
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Not always. Tongue stumblers. New dictators. Speedy and lazy dictators.
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I think French just might be
my least favorite accent. Despite my French teacher bragging about what excellent speakers the French are, never saying um, just having fast flowing speech, when dictating in English, the ones I've done have had some serious stammering, poor enunciation, extra words, and many unexplained word choice changes, and it's all I can do not to scream and grind my teeth the moment I hear that accent.
I'd love to tell my snotty French teacher that, too.
French!
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French for me too.
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You must be French or something because it is
(singular)
▸ noun: the form of a word that is used to denote a singleton
▸ adjective: grammatical number category referring to a single item or unit
(plural)
▸ noun: the form of a word that is used to denote more than one
▸ adjective: grammatical number category referring to two or more items or units
pleural is a medical term, regarding the lungs....
French Ed. major
with English Ed minor and Music minor. No jobs around here in Northern Indiana, and extended family is here, so once started having kids, kind of just fell into this work. Love it, though, love using the Latin I had years ago.
Bob for French fries!!
LOL
Don't get it......what does French sounding name
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also had a French Canadian
very difficult... now if I ever hear a doctor with a New Zealand accent I think I will recognize it - very distinctive - have heard it only in a few movies.
Canadian Dollars- probably French ESL nm
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"Faux" is French for false. - nm
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The French sounding name in other words
it was not like I was a Jones or Smith, you know, simple sounding every day names and if you have worked as long as I have in this business, I have seen dictators get a chart mixed up with another, not that it happens often. That was the reason for my saying it - he could not have mistaken my dictation for a Ms. Smith or Ms. Jones....
I think Spanish and French are the worst, (sm)
and I even took French. But they have an annoying way of dropping out all recordable sound and just doing something with their lips that a recorder can't pick up at the end of some words that is very annoying.
I have enjoyed British, but every newbie should be warned about their "stop" and "full stop" for punctuation, LOL.
Autocorrect turned french!
Out of no where my autocorrect is french! Anyone know how to turn this off??
maybe she means 'pissoir', it's French, look it up!...nm
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Hot dogs and homemade french fries.
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Spanish, French do celebrate Christmas in USA
Middle Eastern Arabic people do not celebrate Christmas nor the Jewish people (and Chanukah comes early 12/3 this year so they should be working. Russian Christmas is in January. The Hispanic community as well as the French communities here in the USA, as I know it, certainly do celebrate Christmas. Happy Holidays To All....
even our coffee, French Vanilla creamer,
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I thought the French, Germans, and Russians were hairy.
Would that make them hirsutian?
International Delight French Vanilla liquid nm
Hot French bread with real butter, rasberries
with real cream, Belgian sweet dark chocolate and Fritos. It would have to be my last supper, because it would probably kill me!  Yummmmmmm.
Not much different than eating French toast with a side of bacon and scrambled eggs w/cheese. nm
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French, especially the surgeons. Easiest: Middle Eastern, Korean, Chinese, Indian. nm
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Nothing to do with your first language, of course. nm
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language
Language skills are definitely at the top - I agree. So many outsiders think all we do is type and memorize a few terms. Makes me crazy sometimes to think we are being looked down upon for, quote - just typing, how hard can that be?
P.S. I hate it that we cannot put quotations in our posts!!
OP does not say who had the language
barrier, the doctor or the patient. Just because she is a white American female does not mean she speaks English.
These ESL's speak more than their own language, sm
many are fluent in several languages. They also pay income taxes at the same rate as USA-born doctors. Until you can speak their language as well as they can speak ours, have some compassion for their efforts, and be glad that you have a job. There are ESLs wherever you go. Better get used to it. Or better yet, why don't you travel to a country where you don't speak the language. It might humble you a bit when you see how difficult it is.
English Language
Amen to that!!!
I live in South Florida and you may as well call it a foreign country. I asked a clerk at local Walmart for Phiso-dem...she had me write it on her notepad she carries around, because she doesn't speak English!!!!
English as a Second Language
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foul language
I meant to reply to Tomahawk's post. If you scroll down a few to MQ, you will see what I a referring to.
Should have said English as a FIRST language. LOL
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So, English is a second language..LOL!
How can someone get a job doing this kind of work without knowing English? Just amazes me! 
AT&T language line
Hospitals can set up an account with the AT&T language line. You call the number, give your account code and tell them what language you need. They have tons to choose from and they are available in real time. You have to use a speaker phone so the patient, translator and care provider can all hear each other. Some 911 dispatch centers use it too.
Sometimes the default language gets (sm)
changed on a document when I am typing and I have to go back in and reset it to English. I notice this when my autocorrect entries do not work and I know that I have them in the file. It only happens every once in a while and I have to "select all" and then change the language back to English. Hope this helps in the future.
LOL We have no'national' language!
and if you don't believe me, visit Miami sometime, one of the largest cities in the U.S.
National Language
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt
learning another language
It isn't that I wouldn't like to learn another language if I had the time. I would. It would be neat to be able to speak another language, but I don't. And it makes me fustrated when immigrants come here and expect me to know their language when they are the ones who came here. They should know proper English. Or just decent English. If I moved to South America I would not expect them to understand me. I would take it upon myself that if I wanted to communicate I need to learn good Spanish. And if I had a job where I did something such as dictating, I would make sure I knew decent English and tried to make myself understandable. Some ESLs act like they don't care if you can understand them or not. There ARE some who try though.
Wow...so know we have to learn your language as well.
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If you think that's 'foul' language, you don't
Get over it.
I think learning the language
and losing the accent are not quite the same thing... many of the ESL doctors speak English quite well, and may have been studying English for years in school. After a certain age, the accent is very difficult to lose. Some people have more of a talent for this than others. I know, makes it hard for the MTs.. but part of the job. Not saying they shouldn't try to improve... I study another language, but I am always going to have an American accent.
I think learning the language
and losing the accent are not quite the same thing... many of the ESL doctors speak English quite well, and may have been studying English for years in school. After a certain age, the accent is very difficult to lose. Some people have more of a talent for this than others. I know, makes it hard for the MTs.. but part of the job. Not saying they shouldn't try to improve... I study another language, but I am always going to have an American accent.
English is not the national language sm
America is a melting pot and English is not and should not be the national language. I'm Native American and while I'm not happy about the influx of immigrants - which I'm sure your ancestors were - America is a melting pot and at one time English was the 'second language' around here and others had to adapt.
Deal with it. America is a safe haven and refuge for other countries. Why was it okay for your ancestors to come here but it's not okay for others to come here?
Medical Language Specialist
That is our title, Medical Language Specialist, which really throws people. When asked to define what that is, tell them you translate medical dictation to document form, be it hard copy document or electronic docment, to provide pertinent medical information for patients, physicians and hospital staff. See their reaction. 
Of course when they say "all you do is type," ask them to spell esophagogastroduodenoscopy as an example of the terminology you use. That usually shuts them up. (Smile)
"The Language of Medicine" sm
is a very good book and very thorough. I would recommend it highly.
At least most of them speak English as a first language, eh.
Except the Francophones/Quebecois. Plus, they're not undercutting us on wages.
Pas DE probleme!
Are there many American MTs whose first language isn't English? nm
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Here is an example of the communication/language barrier
My ex-husband had the flu, high fever and it was not getting better. He was quite ill. He went to his physician, a foreign physician with heavy accent. My ex tried to explain how sick he was. The doctor rx'ed antibiotic and sent him home. That night, my ex had a high fever and went into a seizure. Paramedics were called. He was still seizuring by the time they reached his home. He came into the hospital with bilateral acute renal failure due to the infection and high temp.
When I spoke to him, he said it was clear the physician did not appreciate how ill he was and the language barrier was limiting their ability to talk to one another. My ex was so ill, he didn't feel like being assertive. He should have been hospitalized. But, that is too late now. His kidneys never regained function and now he sits with millions of others waiting for a donor at UCLA.
Heartbreaking, isn't it?
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