English-speaking garble is just as bad
Posted By: Renee on 2008-01-18
In Reply to: I prefer my ESL - LinK
I agree with you 100%. We should really be able to confront these doctors and explain to them that if they want clear reports, then they HAVE to speak clearly for us, regardless of whether English, ESL, or ignorant.
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But there are English speaking doctors
Furthermore, what is easy for one person may not be for another. So, who really can put a scale on these dictators? 
of course they speak english, with an accent but they speak British-English quite well.
And I can't speak Indian so I guess they have an edge don't they?
English Ivy all over
It's in our back yard, couldn't stop it from growing if we tried. It wraps around our mailbox, which is actually very pretty.... it doesn't even die during our winters here. But it is woody, unless you get some of the ends farthest away from the dirt. Look closely and you'll see small roots sticking out from the stalk. You can either put those directly in dirt, put in water, or rooting hormone helps it take off faster. We're in the south and that stuff grows everywhere. I would give it away gladly just to cut a lot of it away. Good luck!
English
is NOT the official language. There is no official language. True, the majority speak English as their first language but it is not OUR language yet.
English
Officially maybe it isn't but the majority as you say are English. I just think some people who come here should take the initiative to learn English more than they do.
I think I get fustrated because I have a Mexican who lives nearby and came over to the U.S., as many do, illegal. She has a green card to work and all but she isn't a citizen. Well she will not study her English more and can't hardly communicate. It fustrates me because she needs to make more of an effort to learn English where not only can she be understood more but she can understand us more. She can speak English just barely.
That is where a lot of my fustration comes from with foreign dialect. A lot of Mexicans come over here and think we should learn Spanish to communicate with them. Well if they want to live in the U.S. they can learn English. Some of them do learn and you can communicate with them. But some have a chip on their shoulder that they are going to speak Spanish and we can just adapt to it or the government should make provisions for it. Well we did not ask them to come here so learn it or leave.
English
True. There are so many dialects here in the U.S. I am from the south, and I went up north and they talk entirely different. Just different accents, different ways of saying things. They looked at me like where in the heck did you come from.
But with the ESLs I just get plain fustrated because I feel like they aren't making a effort to speak where I can understand them sometimes. And some of them do make the effort. They do and you can tell. They are trying. But those others really chap my *ss.
English
I thought all foreign MD's had to pass the ECFMG (Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates). Maybe this just verifies their information insofar as medical school, etc. and clinical skills assessment. I thought they had to pass an English exam, also.
I agree -- there are too many people walking around not knowing or using the English language. If they want to live here, they should at least like our country and not fly our flag upside down, etc. AND SPEAK OUR LANGUAGE. I have no problem with foreigners coming over here. My only problem is with foreigners coming over here and not respecting our language and culture.
English yes, others no.
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English Language
Amen to that!!!
I live in South Florida and you may as well call it a foreign country. I asked a clerk at local Walmart for Phiso-dem...she had me write it on her notepad she carries around, because she doesn't speak English!!!!
English as a Second Language
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from an MT into a English Teacher
Am thinking of getting some education units (degree hopefully) to become an english teacher. I have been an MT for roughly seven years, five months give or take including schooling. But since i feel that Big Company (fourth down upper left panel of your screen, starts with "m") that says they dont outsource, but we cant be be so sure. I feel that the work is not anymore paying well right now. (maybe im just not getting the big breaks) I feel that i have to check my alternatives - cause im not getting any younger. Its tough out there but i think that god will provide.
Former MTs Teaching English
I heard that too. its in the newpaper last week, they will be looking for teacher. Man, this board is really updated.
Am i too old to be a english teacher?
is there a age requirement on being an english teacher? Or 32 is too old?
help with english phrase
permitted to don and dos his TSLO, I know it means to put on and take off, but how do you spell it? Thanks.
Knowing English as well
In your post you said "I am knew" to the transcription world. It should be new. This is just what would keep you from passing a transcription test.
Should have said English as a FIRST language. LOL
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So, English is a second language..LOL!
How can someone get a job doing this kind of work without knowing English? Just amazes me!
Learning the English would be
a big help! They come here to make money and should learn the language. Benny Hinn does a great job with the English language when he's asking for money! so apparently it is doable.
a.m. is not English, it's Latin.
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Since when can they communicate in English?
Certainly none of the ones I've encountered in CS can! 
Well, my dears it is English 101. SM
20 units of Pitocin WERE given or 20 units of Pitocin WAS given.
Twenty units of Pitocin was/were given.
What is the subject of our sentence?
"of Pitocin" is a prepositional phrase and Pitocin is the object of the phrase and, therefore is NOT our subject. "units" is our subject. Is "units" singular or plural?
It is plural and, therefore, requires a plural verb, i.e. "were."
Twenty units of Pitocin were given. -- Correct
Below is copied verbatim from the Blue Book of Grammar and is taught as part of the grade school and middle school English 101 curriculum throughout the United States. No where, in any English text book, does it state that units of measure are always considered singular or in medical transcription certain rules don't apply. It is THE RULE across the board. Those weenies at the AHDI decided to make up their own rules, print a book, and sell it to naive MTs everywhere.
Basic Rule. |
The basic rule states that a singular subject takes a singular verb, while a plural subject takes a plural verb.
NOTE: The trick is in knowing whether the subject is singular or plural. The next trick is recognizing a singular or plural verb. |
Hint: Verbs do not form their plurals by adding an s as nouns do. In order to determine which verb is singular and which one is plural, think of which verb you would use with he or she and which verb you would use with they. |
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Example: |
talks, talk
Which one is the singular form? Which word would you use with he? We say, "He talks." Therefore, talks is singular. We say, "They talk." Therefore, talk is plural. |
english turned OFF
I for sure am not going to sit and proofread my posts and sometimes fingers go where they go. If people feel the need to proofread others posts they REALLY need to get a life or a friend or something. I had another person do this to me on another board and I cannot tell you how aggravating it is. I have a 99.58% accuracy rating and make plenty of mistakes in my email posts. This is NOT WORK. This is play and the fact that you feel the need to criticize people just tells us all about YOU.
What is YOUR USUAL English?...sm
the SLANG English?
English is not the national language sm
America is a melting pot and English is not and should not be the national language. I'm Native American and while I'm not happy about the influx of immigrants - which I'm sure your ancestors were - America is a melting pot and at one time English was the 'second language' around here and others had to adapt.
Deal with it. America is a safe haven and refuge for other countries. Why was it okay for your ancestors to come here but it's not okay for others to come here?
Learn proper English...
YOU BE HAPPY THERE - Perhaps you be stupid?
Am I lost - is this English class
Excuse me, Miss Smarty Pants - but this is NOT English class - go teach English somewhere else if you such strong desire!
At least most of them speak English as a first language, eh.
Except the Francophones/Quebecois. Plus, they're not undercutting us on wages.
Pas DE probleme!
My English teacher would cringe at the BOS. nm
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Are there many American MTs whose first language isn't English? nm
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Might want to brush up on english too - "desperate"
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to dictate if you cannot speak English.
Sorry to gripe about this, as I know it comes with this industry, but I just transcribed (ha) a doctor, who sounded like this......
ditdada..ditditdadada..ummm, aaahh, shimaprazole, shinequapam, ditdootoday, patient no feel no good...ditditdazow. I quit.
We have English lessons here at my home
I can talk because husband is black and I am white. He absolutely (as I have seen with other blacks) does not know most of the time should he use was or were. This is not just him. I kid him and wanted to know if he missed the English class the day they discussed was and were. Sometimes he does not know which to use so he combines them. I know ebonics and I do not like and yes find predominantly black. My step-grandchildren black and when they lived at my home tried my best teaching them how to speak isntead of ebonics. If you get a decent job besides McDonalds most places want it. Their mother, who did not speak good English at all, called them trying to speak white. I call it trying to speak like you have good background and know how to use English. I can speak- been both places. Now call me prejudiced.
I believe you are my QA headache -- English degree -- uh la la nm
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Most of them can't speak correct English,
much less type it.
Assault on the English Language
I transcribe for a doctor who I think may be Russian, but anyway, he has lived in this country (USA) for many years and has not taken the time to learn to speak succinctly. As a matter of fact, he seems to be dyslexic on top of the heavy accent and often phrases words backwards, does not know how to speak concisely, and I am thinking whoever has the misfortune of reading his HNP's is going to think he is a real Dip (even after editing). Even our editors have a real challenge getting through his work. I wish I could shake the snot out of him and require that every ESL physician practicing in America be required to speak the English language fluently.
it is basic English grammar, without that, you can't do the job.
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ESL just means English as second language.
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English is common in India, still...
After 3 centuries of British occupation, English is still the primary language for many educated Indians and a second language for many others.
Still, to be fair, English is a very confusing language and I don't blame anyone for misusing prepositions - by, over, etc. I think it's easy to understand how someone would say "by" for the slash when "x" stands for "by" in measurements.
As long as I can understand their English, I don't care how thick their accent is or if they misuse a few words. I get most irritated by the MDs born here who will not open their mouths and speak distinctly, or go 110 mph.
I know a little French and a little Spanish and I confuse some of those terms.
Your English is off but your statement is correct. NM
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Tad immature? - does not speak English.
NM
Either you know proper English or you don't. It's not something you turn on and off. nm
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Fighting Fractured English
Blanks are not your problem. Poor dictators are.
It has become a standard in the industry to make the problems of an ineffective dictator and make it an MT problem.
This is not and was never an MT problem. We are required to transcribe in English, and the oral work coming in needs to meet an acceptable English standard.
I've been in the business for 15 years, and frankly I am sick of it. Having exhausted every other resource to resolve this problem it is now time to fight back and sue these companies and the facilities who have made this our problem.
We are TRANSCRIPTIONSTS, not TRANSLATORS OR LINGUISTS. If we are required to translate, they need to cough up the average salary of an interpretter which by the way is $200,000 a year. I dare say none of us are making that as MTs. The time has passed when someone else's disability directly impacts our paycheck when it is not our skill in question. Enough is enough.
If you or anyone else is interested in pursuing this stand up with me and make your voices heard. Send me an email. I will keep your information confidential. The industry will never change as long as we continue to allow them to abuse us.
NO MORE SWEAT SHOP LABOR. THE FREE RIDE IS OVER. IF THESE COMPANIES AND HOSPITALS WANT IT TRANSCRIBED IN ENGLISH, GIVE US A MINIMALLY ACCEPTED ORAL ENGLISH TO TRANSCRIBE.
wonder how they can change rules of English...
I mean, English is the language we're using, at least temporarily, right?
Compound modifiers - you mean such as: second-degree burn or half-normal saline? How can these be eliminated?
And by eliminating the 's' do you mean that 5-10 WBCs has become 5-10 WBC?
I, too, love commas! I was told by an English
teacher years ago to use a comma anywhere in a sentence where you want to pause, emphasize, or separate. I worked for this one national where QA used to dock me all the time for my comma use. However, I got out my college grammar/English book and scanned in pages to prove I was right. Didn't matter. It was, "Listen to your QA person." She wouldn't even use a comma to separate two independent clauses with a FANBOY. I couldn't unlearn 25 years of grammatical habits, so I quit.
MQ acts like ASR will be all they need and forget people with English and
their hospital clients are watching. When there is no pool of MTs to get anymore when MQ has destroyed the competition and driven what is left of MTs to other sources of employment, well-------------------------maybe there won't be hospitals any more, who knows. The way our country is going I guess we will have to be treating ourselves from over the internet, LOL.
But, back to being serious, I see more and more hospitals advertising for MTs to work for their own individual institutions, and not using transcription companies.
I hope the pendulum is swinging back to hospitals having more control of their records. 
Otherwise HOSPITALS are in for a big surprise. Wasting Mi$$ions on MQ's and Philips "voice recognition" gadgetry is throwing good money after bad. The "suits" have complicated creating a medical record so much, it's literally a joke. 
But that's what big business does isn't it? Get "suits" into a situation and have them try to make it a "profit making venture" out of it - and pretty soon the whole job gets lost in the hubbub and all you have left is confusion and dollars flying around, and the product is an unattainable goal.
Oh wait, but you will have a NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM that is supposed to do everything but wash dishes, and the suit will walk away with another of your $23million dollars.   
I noticed the last time I read stats from MQ on how many MTs they have it was (drum roll here)............10,000. Remember when they crowed they had 13,000?
Was this "Frank's" plan when he took over?  Or are we all jumping ship because they are an intolerable place to get a pay check? You do the work and even then they want to renig on paying you for what you did.  NOW THAT's REAL CLASS, not.
...your E-mails have to have proper English and punctuation.
Am I alone?
Guide to Male and Femal English...
THE MANS GUIDE TO FEMALE ENGLISH
We need = I want
It's your decision = The correct decision should be obvious by now
Do what you want = You'll pay for this later
We need to talk = I need to complain
Sure... go ahead = I don't want you to
I'm not upset = Of course I'm upset, you moron!
You're ... so manly = You need a shave and you sweat a lot
You're certainly attentive tonight = Is sex all you ever think about?
I'm not emotional! And I'm not overreacting! = I've got my period
Be romantic, turn out the lights = I have flabby thighs
This kitchen is so inconvenient = I want a new house
I want new curtains = and carpeting, and furniture, and wallpaper.....
I need wedding shoes = the other 40 pairs are the wrong shade of white
Hang the picture there = NO, I mean hang it there!
I heard a noise = I noticed you were almost asleep
Do you love me? = I'm going to ask for something expensive
How much do you love me? = I did something today you're really not going to like
I'll be ready in a minute = Kick off your shoes and find a good game on T.V.
Is my butt fat? = Tell me I'm beautiful
You have to learn to communicate = Just agree with me
Are you listening to me!? = [Too late, you're dead.]
Yes = No
No = No
Maybe = No
I'm sorry = You'll be sorry
Do you like this recipe? = It's easy to fix, so you'd better get used to it
Was that the baby?= Why don't you get out of bed and walk him until he goes to sleep
I'm not yelling! = Yes I am yelling because I think this is important
All we're going to buy is a soap dish = It goes without saying that we're stopping at the cosmetics department, the shoe department, I need to look at a few new purses, and those pink sheets would look great in the bedroom and did you bring your checkbook?
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THE ANSWER TO "WHAT'S WRONG?"
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The same old thing = Nothing
Nothing = Everything
Everything = My PMS is acting up
Nothing, really = It's just that you're such a pain the butt
I don't want to talk about it = Go away, I'm still building up steam
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THE WOMEN'S GUIDE TO MEN'S ENGLISH:
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"I'm hungry" = I'm hungry
"I'm sleepy" = I'm sleepy
"I'm tired" = I'm tired
"Do you want to go to a movie?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you
"Can I take you out to dinner?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you
"Can I call you sometime?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you
"May I have this dance?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you
"Nice dress!" = Nice cleavage!
"You look tense, let me give you a massage." = I want to fondle you
"What's wrong?" = I don't see why you are making such a big deal out of this
"What's wrong?" = What meaningless self-inflicted psychological trauma are you going through now?
"What's wrong?" = I guess sex tonight is out of the question
"I'm bored" = Do you want to have sex?
"I love you" = Let's have sex now
"I love you, too" = Okay, I said it...we'd better have sex now!
"Yes, I like the way you cut your hair" = I liked it better before
"Yes, I like the way you cut your hair" = $50 and it doesn't look that much different!
"Let's talk" = I am trying to impress you by showing that I am a deep person and maybe then you'd like to have sex with me
"Will you marry me?" = I want to make it illegal for you to have sex with other guys
"I like that one better" (while shopping) = Pick any freakin' dress and let's go home!
I know what you mean - I cannot believe AAMT can change the English language-
but they dooooooo!!! It's so frustrating. I absolutely refuse to type one space after a period or question mark. I was taught two spaces from TYPING CLASS and that is the way it will be.
Personally, I think it is so the MTSOs that pay for lines and spaces will not have to pay for extra spaces. But that's just my opinion.
couldn't find an English newspaper...sm
and was newly preggers......I ran around Marseille looking for the International Tribune which was an English newspaper (still is) and then did a scrapbook in tribute to John and I still have that.
I have a theory about grammar, proper English going the way of
the dinosaur. I am beginning to think that with all the ESLs who cannot speak English, that everyone else has totally forgotten how to conjugate verbs, have no idea what sentence syntax means, understand the relationships of nouns to verbs, etc. I am wondering how long it will take before no one makes much sense and it really bothers me. I see paragraphs where truly, it is difficult to tell exactly what is being said, what relates to what. I long for the days when I had an ESL who wanted me to correct her, even to the point of completely reworking her sentences to sound better.
Blodnee, you speak English, not American....sm
and answer the question....Where did you're predecessors/folks come from...or don'tcha know that either? Cat
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