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ADHD is bull. Just maybe try to spend some time

Posted By: sm on 2006-04-14
In Reply to: My 4 yo is having trouble. - Lynn

working with her (not pushing her but just introducing new things). I am sick to death of the ADD/ADHD diagnosis of kids. I do not believe in it. Some kids DO have a little harder time adjusting to school and again there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just talk to them every day, help them in any way you can but most importantly be there for them no matter what. It will all work itself out but DO NOT stress yourself out over what some teacher says. Most of the time they are wrong and can be proven wrong. I am a teacher, although I teach adults/teenagers in college and really..... I truly believe elementary teachers try to make it easier on themselves rather than try to work with a child that needs it.


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Don't spend a lot of time initially trying to get

a blank.  After you complete the dictation go back and relisten to see if you can fill in the blanks.  When I get a new ESL dictator it sometimes takes me a while to get his accent so I don't spend a lot of time trying to fill in the blanks initially.  Usually by the end of the report I have gotten the accent and can fill in most blanks.   I also have the experience to know what the blank should be in most cases, and that also helps me fill in.   If you get QA files back make copies of them and start your a notebook.  If you have the ability to relisten to files after they have been signed off when you get QA back relisten to the dictation and see if you can hear the blanks then.   When I first started doing ESLs I was so stressed because they were hard and I left a lot of blanks and I just don't normally leave blanks.  After getting QA back and relistening it seemed so clear what they were saying and I couldn't believe I had struggled so much. 


 


I spend more time out of my chair than in
nm
lol, don't blame you...I used to spend so much time
searching for sample reports, listening over and over, trying to make sense of some speedy English-speaking (incoherent, actually speaking half words and tripping over their words and stuttering because they go so fast) docs. This is a legal medical document, doc, treat it like one! And in my opinion, too many MTs and QA that try to interpret the gibberish often make more of a mess because you just can't be 100% sure in cases like these and better off leaving it blank so as to avoid the lawsuits. Don't ya think? ;)
So how much do you make for the time you spend
*Enquiring minds*, and all....
How much time are you willing to spend testing?
I'm not willing to spend more than 30 minutes or so testing for a company.  I've seen a few that are well over an hour. 
try to convince DH that now is not the time to spend...I think he's in denial...nm
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Maybe if you spend more time honing your skills and
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Yeah I used to spend time carefully (sm)
crafting tactful feedback only to realize later that the MT had apparently not read it, deleted it, tossed it, whatever. You get to where you hear the same old excuses time and again and you realize that some people just don't care.

Another poster made the comment on how she didn't want someone to mother her; well, a lot of the MTs I worked with apparently did. They wanted me to be like a longsuffering mother and overlook their mistakes, take their excuses over and over and over again and offer tea and sympathy. They would repeatedly not write down what I told them, not look in reference books ("oh, I forgot you said to look there") ad nauseam.

So you get to the point where you're just sending to-the-point messages and you quit handholding. And then some people get angry because you're not "nice." Can't win for losing.
RAMS football, spend time with 10-mo old grandson

Yes, it is opening day for football in St. Louis, fall is right around the corner. 


My grandson is at that handful stage, hard to get anything done with him around but I volunteered to babysit while his parents are out Saturday night. Hope to squeeze in a few hours Sat and Sun for work as well.


If you will spend some time reading the company board

you'll see that the industry is more volitile than ever.  Work is being offshored to India and other countries and the garbage is left for the US MT.  Companies are going to VR.  Pay is low, you can expect to make 9 to 10 cpl average as an employee, maybe up to 11 cpl as an independent contractor.  A lot of companies cannot provide steady work and insurance is very expensive. 


I would not recommend leaving your job to pursue MT full-time.  Most companies want the experience to be current, within the last 2 years, so you could potentially have some issues with being 3 years out.


I would suggest trying it part-time to get a feel for how things are before you decide. 


 


Without starting a war, how much time is reasonable to spend on reasearch (sm)
when paid by the minute?

I have access to the patient's electronic chart and often use this as a tool to look up doctor names, diagnoses, etc. Often, these charts go back for years. Documents are both scanned into the patient's chart by the physician's office(a 5-page stress test would be 5 separate scanned entries) and typed directly into the patient's chart (a 5-page document would be 1 entry).

We are paid by the minute, no matter how fast or slow the doctor talks. So, if they manage to speed talk, not take a breath, and slur an entire H&P into a 1-minute report, we get paid for a minute's worth of work regardless of typing time.

Having given the above information, what would you consider a reasonable amount of time to spend on research,i.e., looking up "Dr. Smith" with no first name and no specialty or indication why the patient saw "Dr. Smith", or things of that nature.

(I've got my fingers crossed that this does NOT start any type of MT versus QA argument!!!)

Thanks.
CuriousMT

I personally will NOT spend too much time looking for a word. I listen 3-5 times if I still don'

it goes to the QA.  I am getting paid 5-8cpl, depending upon the account, as an IC and don't have the time to spend too long looking.  If I can't find something in 15 minutes I'm done.  If I got paid more I might take more time to look, but at these line rates no WAY!


I also get no feedback from QA, or very rarely.  We have one QA who is rude and puts down the MTs at every turn.  It isn't easy for the MT either.  If you aren't even listening to the dictation how do you even know WHY the MT didn't get the word, maybe the doctor is a total mush mouth and our ears are bleeding by the time we got to that word. 


You're right, i spend way too much time on this board when should be working, I am just so burned
NM
I spend a good deal of time tweaking the ones in there so ummm, may give it a shot lol
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ADHD/IEP
Our son had a tough time in kindergarten that they labeled as behavior problems, not true, the teacher told me he did well in cleaning the classroom, but horrible time doing his tasks, well that should have turned the light on. Luckily, I have a special needs teacher who is my sister and a speech pathologist who is my sister also. They set up a meeting that we went to for my children with the teachers, got an IEP and got him all of the resource room and extra help he needed. He is on Adderall now, in college and still procrastinates, but is a good kid and not into any trouble. Our other son was reading in the 5th grade at a 2nd grade level and the other town we moved to thought that was okay, so another IEP, the school had to hire a tutor that came to our house during the summer and he was receiving resource room help here also. Some of these teachers cannot be bothered with ADHD because, they don't want to take the time or they think they don't have the "budget" for it. My sister told the head of special needs she did not want to hear the words "no money in the budget" again, because she knows the laws. Get the IEP and they have to by law work with your child. I even was told by a teacher "you don't want to get an IEP or services", it is a waste of time, how wrong that person was. Fight for everything for your child. Americans with Disabilities Act will inform you and if necessary will get you a liaison person to go to these meetings with you. My sons were tested in the school system and also outside and the schools had to pay. Good luck, but get your IEP it is your right as a parent.
ADD/ADHD
I transcribe for two psych's that do 90% ADD/ADHD consults for schools, etc.  There are a lot of "natural" supplements and other recommendations that can be used and made before the trial of a stimulant medication is used.   Especially at that early age.  I also have two nephews that went to one of my docs and both have been on medication and it made the difference between D's and fighting about getting things done to B to A's with getting the work done with no struggle.  One went off when he went to high scholl the other is still on in the eighth grade.  But again testing is the only way to go before doing anything and pick a specialist in that area.  Good luck, again my docs try the natural supplement, LOTS, LOTS of exercise especially across the middle, book called Brain Gym, calcium/magnesium to help sleep, etc.  But again get testing you will feel better knowing that what you are treating.  If your child had diabetes or thyroid problems you wouldn't feel bad about changing diet and exercise and taking some medication if necessary -- true in this case also.    Good luck.  Find a good psychologist/psychiatrist.   Patti
ADHD

It is just absolutely amazing how many people do not understand ADD/ADHD and how it affects your work.  Our son was told in Kindergarten he had a behavior problem, had him tested and he certainly had ADHD.  The concentration on school work was the most difficult.  You need to get your hubby a book about ADD/ADHD and have him read it.  I went to a seminar about this, by a doctor, last name is Holloway I believe.  I learned so much to help my son.  He could not concentrate, was depressed, had no friends.  After medication trials (the other person is right, meds take 3-4 weeks to show any benefit), he has gone from a D student in college to getting A's and B's, studying criminal justice.  I helped my son as much as possible, never yelled at him.  He would start many projects and finish few.    You do need support from your husband. Give your meds another three weeks.  The expense of gas is probably why your husband is not supportive.  But, if you cannot do the commuting, then find another job working at home.  Get into a routine and schedule and stick to it.   I bet you will do just fine.  You just need encouragment.  Yelling and cursing at you will not help.    Do find a book on line or at a store for your husband to read though about ADD/ADHD, maybe it will sink in and help you too.  Good luck.


 


 


 


 


 


 


ADHD is real! sm
I cannot believe as a teacher and an MT that you think ADHD is bull. I happen to have 2 children who have ADHD. When they were both in kindergarten and could not sit still for even 5 minutes at a time, I told myself, "They're just 5." However, each year, it was the same thing. My children happen to have been seen by at least 6 different physicians, facilities, specialists, psychiatrists, pychologists (as I tried everything to not put them on medicine). They all kept telling me the same thing. Now, I have 2 straight-A students who can stay in their seats and pay attention and get their work done. Yes, I believe it is WAY overdiagnosed; however, I do not believe it is bull. When my daughter was 9 years old, if she did not have her meds for a day, she would need anywhere from 20 to 30 reminders per day to get back to work and pay attention. JMO. No flames intended!
ADHD diagnosis
When our son was having trouble in school, we brought him to an expert in the field of ADHD, and after hours of testing he made the diagnosis, and, then after that got an IEP at the school. Every state is different in their different programs, but they all have to provide help for children with special needs. Our son was at a college at another state, they had his IEP and went there for two years, came back home and is at another local college and they told him he never should have had a full load of classes and he is given extra time for testing, etc. The school system should have a special needs department, like they do here in my state and you can contact them about extra help for autism, learning disabilities, etc. It makes a big difference in getting the kids all the help they need to succeed and not fail in any of the schools. Also, I believe the Americans with Disabilities web site can help also.
My son is also ADHD, but we brought him home

in third grade and he is now in 10th.  He is no longer medicated.  He was in therapy for 2 years because he was bullied, had horrendous teachers, and had low self-esteem because of various school issues.   He came home 3 days after starting K saying his teacher yelled at the kids.  I should have taken him out then, but didn't think I could do it.  I fought the system for so long and continue to fight it today as I help other parents advocate for their children, but at least now my son isn't caught in the middle.   


Lots of parents bring their kids home for the high school years, at least for a year.  There is no law that says they can't go back for whatever reasons.  I know lots of parents who have homeschooled K-11th grade and then their kids want to go to high school for their senior year.   If your son is failing and miserable why send him to school.  


Parents with ADD/ADHD kids....sm

Does your child's school work well with you on educating them or don't like having to give your child extra attention? 


My 1st grader is having problems staying focused in class with her 24 peers in the room and being asked to stay on task for an hour at a time.  At home she does just fine when things are broken down into 15-20 minute intervals.   The 2 teachers she has don't want to spend extra time with her or eliminate distractions so I've now officially requested an IEP meeting to force this with them.  She had no problems at the same school last year in kindergarten because her teacher had worked with other kids like her in the past and was able to teach her on her level using the techniques recommended.  


We met with her 2 teachers yesterday and they actually had the audacity to suggest that we work extensively with her at home on the areas she's struggling in.  I'm not home schooling this kid just because they don't want to help her stay focused when my taxpayer money is being paid to support the schools and federal laws require they meet her needs.


Interestingly when I had a prior foster child that had ADD this very same school and teachers were very accommodating and worked very well with me on meeting her needs.  Not sure why her current teachers don't want to but we're going to have to work on that.


What about you and your child?  Did you have to go to the extremes of getting an IEP and forcing them to do what they're required to do or did you get immediate cooperation?   I'm not going to put my child on ADD/ADHD medication just because they don't want to deal with it. 


Anyone have ADHD/ADD and do medical transcription?
If so, how do you keep focused?  I have a really hard time with this.  Are you being treated?  If so, what has worked or not worked for you?  TIA
Although I'm sure there are legitimate cases of ADHD and autism out there,
I find it hard to believe that all the kids who are pigeon-holed into either category actually do suffer from either condition. They seem to have become a catch-all excuse for "my kid doesn't pay attention," or "my kid doesn't behave the way I'd like him/her to".

Our society has come up with so many lame excuses for so many things, and tends to need a "name" or a "title" for everything.

Maybe this child is just one who matures later than others, maybe she needs to have someone sit down with her and take the time to help her focus better instead of immediately labeling her with the condition du'jour.
Definitely real. Anyone who believes it isn't can borrow my ADHD kid for a while.
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you're wrong, I type for an MD w/ADHD...nm

MT doc to the rescue; ma'am, i think you have ADHD or hypersensitivity. sm
maybe we should prescribe you some meds for that. it will make you perform better on your job and help you greatly. now, i need you to follow up with me weekly so we can draw some labs and keep a check of your status to make sure we don't need to adjust your meds any. that will be $250 for today's consult. yep, and $75 for your RX. oh yeah, and when you come back weekly, expect to pay another $100 per visit plus lab fees. sorry, having a boring, working night. had to spice something up, lol.
Bull is right!
He HAS taken enough bull...from people like you...and the liberal press, who are showing us just exactly what they want us to see, and not the good stories: the rescues, the miraculous survival stories, the reunions, the efforts of the volunteers...

I, too, have tears for the people who are suffering, but it could never have been foreseen that this tragedy was going to be so huge, not in enough time to evacuate those who had no transportation and are left behind. Some of whom are making their own and everyone else's situation worse and making their rescue so much more difficult with crime sprees - murder, rape, beatings, burglary. How is all of this Bush's fault?

Yes, it is painfully obvious that he has taken enough bull. This is not Bush's fault, and this person from a red state is still proud to be red. Bush is a good man, as well as a good leader.
That is bull....sm
I am a IC for a company, and I received a pay increase in January without even asking. You should get raises just like an employee. Like in my case I had to start at .065 cpl because I was a newbie. Well after proving myself for 5 months the owner emailed me and said you get a pay increase to .075 cpl. Because I was a good worker.
There are at least three objective tests now to show ADHD objectively...sm
PET scans, TOVA, quantitative EEG's and the UK just came up with a new one that has to do with the eye following a red light. So much for your bull theory. Maybe you should get out the chair once in a while.
Is Red Bull safe? sm
Does anyone know exactly how it works chemically? Is it different than caffeine?
If you don't like Red Bull, there are a million others to try.
:+
I'm in nursing school and doing a paper on ADHD...here's what I found...what an eyeopener...

Peter Jensen, who is head of psychiatry at Columbia:  At least half the children who fit the criteria for ADHD are not diagnosed. Half of the kids diagnosed are not treated (parents get too much flak for "drugging their kids"). ADHD is in 3-5% of population, found in some third world countries too though their survival skills are different from ours so testing doesn't always translate into another culture.  Taking sugar and food additives out of diet (i.e. Feingold diet) only makes a difference for 3 months- then no difference (placebo effect). Interestingly, if ADHD is not treated, those kids have a much higher risk of accidents, drug and other substance abuse, drop out of school, and being arrested for a felony. Oh and one more note for all the folks who say it's from being overstimulated...we don't have a TV in our house and my boy still has ADHD - it's genetic. Plus after an appropriate evaluation by a pediatrician who specializes in ADHD, a social worker and an audiologist, he has been treated with medication and behavior modification since second grade. In the challenge program in every subject possible now (middle school) including Algebra II. Reads at post college level. 


Bottom line is 4 years old is too early to make a diagnosis. Keep her home another year and let her develop at her own rate, but keep an eye on how she is able to compensate at school later. As I said, ADHD is a genetic disease and it could be possible for her to have it. It could also be possible that you tend to be negative towards whatever your ex says, so don't let that sink your daughter's ship...


I guess you wouldn't want to get another dog after this, especially if the pit bull
owners are angry.  Have they apologized to you?  
Bull.... it's not about saving money?
States its not about saving money, its about providing service 24 hours.  There are plenty of people in other careers who work night shifts, why not MTs?  Train people at home!
Taurus the bull. Darn right!
Bull with a gentle forgiving side that is.
Pit bull dogs killed my lab
About 2 a.m. my husband let our two dogs outside to do their business. Our dogs have squeezed out under a spot under the fence before ane we have put big rocks, a pedestal, etc. in the hole and barricaded the gates, etc. My lab, Shadow, is 1.5 years old and 75 pounds. My mixed dog, Flash, is also around 60 pounds. They apparently got out and got separated. Flash found his way back to the front door and my husband woke me up and said Shadow was missing. We proceed to go through the neighborhood for two hours looking for Shadow. Eventually, we go out the back gate (it is very overgrown and wooded) and two pit bulls come up through the woods and attack Flash. My husband and I are throwing rocks everything we can get ahold of and my husband manages to get the dogs off of Flash.

Long horrific story short, Shadow was killed by these monsters and was found by my husband and a police officer in the woods not far from our back gate. Flash survived. These could have been someone's children. Animal control had been called three times this week on those dogs. We called the police and animal control and the dogs are to be picked up today. We live in the middle of a city and our dogs spend 90% of their time inside. These were our "children", as we do not have any children.

I just wanted to let you know about these types of "pets". Google "labrador" and Google "pit bull" and tell me which one you think is a better choice. These people breed these monsters and teach them to attack. It is a wonder that my husband or myself did not get attacked in the process. Please do not let your children around these animals. It is not safe.
Pit bull dogs killed my lab nm
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Top 10 Advantages of ADD in a High-Tech Career
Having ADD can be the competitive edge
Pete Quily (addcoach)    
I have Attention Deficit Disorder (which I find is more of a surplus of attention, really). I coach adults with ADD, have an ADD resource website with over 100 pages of information, an ADD blog, and lead the Vancouver Adult ADD support group. So, I'm fairly familiar with ADD. I've been using Mac computers for 20 years, sold them for seven, and have spent thousands of hours on the net. So, I'm fairly familiar with the high-tech world.

I've noticed many similarities between the two worlds.

I believe there are disproportionately many with ADD who work in high-tech. Approximately five percent of the population has ADD and 85 per cent of adults with ADD don't know they have it. It seems to me that ADD and high-tech are natural fits. The constant change in the high-tech world can be stressful and troubling for some people but is often stimulating and energizing for the ADD-er. A great source of Dopamine hits. Although there are no specific statistics, a number of other ADD experts I've talked with agree with my observation.

Many only see the problems associated with ADD, and many, especially men, avoid getting a diagnosis. This avoidance is attributable to ADD's portrayal as an almost totally pathological condition, which causes it to be viewed as just a weakness.

To give some perspective and to help those in the industry recognize and develop their ADD-related strengths as well as manage their ADD challenges, I thought I'd list some advantages of having ADD in the wired world.

I also hope this might help those who may be afraid of getting diagnosed and treated (medication, coaching, therapy etc.) for ADD because of those who condemn ADD as a moral failure with claims like "there's no such thing as ADD, turn off the TV, stop eating sugar, beat your kid more often, and twirl around 3 times and tap your heels and it will go away." ADD is an inherited neurobiological condition. Every medical and psychological association has stated this. As more people see the advantages of having ADD, they will actually be more inclined to seek diagnosis and treatment. Some wrongly believe ADD is negatively related to IQ or that all ADD-ers are slow learners or below average IQ. I have it and made the dean's honors list, and many PhDs have it. MENSA has an ADD special interest group with more than 300 members. It comes down to a difference in brain wiring, and in some fields, such as high-tech, marketing, media and the arts, entrepreneurship, etc., the unique wiring of the ADD brain is a competitive advantage.


Top Ten ADD Advantages in a Hi-Tech Career


1. The Ability to Hyperfocus

This means hours of full engagement and concentration on a task, IF you find it interesting. You can get into the zone and be totally immersed in what you're doing, while the outside world disappears. When I went on the net for the first time in 1993 at an Internet cafe, I got on the machine at 8 p.m. and around 4 a.m. decided it was time to go home.

2. Rapid-fire Mind

Your brain processes information at hyperspeed. You can do things in 30 minutes on a computer that might take other people hours. The downside is if you're stuck with old hardware and not enough RAM you'll be frustrated because it can't keep up with the speed of your brain.

3. Multitasking at Will

You're able to run 14 applications at a time and effortlessly switch among them without breaking into a sweat and are able to do several projects at a time with ease.

4. High Energy Level

You're able to keep going on a project. If it's interesting, an ADD-er will be more into creative and entrepreneurial activities than clerical or repetitive ones. 14-hour days? No problem, adrenaline is my fuel source.

5. Highly Creative

You're able to think beyond the box. This comes naturally to ADD-ers, while others pay handsomely to learn this. Since you take in more information than the average person does, and you're easily distracted, you're more likely to view a problem from more angles than vanilla people (non ADD-ers) and therefore come up with more possible solutions to a problem. Need an idea generator? Find an ADD-er.

6. Quick Learner

ADD arises mainly out of boredom - you have no trouble paying attention to something if it's interesting. Most people find it difficult to do boring or repetitive things, but these can often totally shut an ADD-er down. Your rapid-fire brain + highly creative mind + the ability to hyperfocus equals fast absorption of new information. Dr. Ed Hallowell, who has ADD and has written several Delivered from Distraction : Getting the Most out of Life with Attention Deficit Disorder, said he stopped teaching psychiatry at Harvard University because the non-ADD-er brains were just to slow. He got tired of being continually frustrated waiting for them to catch up to the ADD students.

7. Stimulus-Seeking Brain


A perfect match for the wired world: an under-stimulated brain and an over-stimulated virtual environment. Being an info junkie can be a good thing. Well, not always.

8. Constantly Scanning your Environment


This allows you to notice more and find information and resources that others miss, to see possible problems before they arise, and discern opportunities that others may not see because they have tunnel vision vs. multiplex vision. An ADD-er invented the electronic ticket.

9. Great in a Crisis


In a high-energy, intense situation, with lots of chaos and change? Sign me up - I thrive on stimulation, change, and chaos. We can create order from chaos effortlessly. We can also create such an environment as well, if needed.

10. Risk Taker

Impulsivity means you're more willing to take risks and have a bias for action, acting now while the opportunity is hot instead of getting into analysis paralysis. Many entrepreneurs have ADD, e.g., Paul Orfalea, who founded Kinko's, JetBlue Founder and CEO David Neeleman, who attributes his creativity to ADD. Both are billionaires. Imagine how successful a high-tech CEO would be if they didn't take many risks.

These are just a start of the advantages of ADD - for more go to the list of 151 positive characteristics of people with ADD at my ADD Resource website.

This is not to say there are no disadvantages or real problems associated with ADD in a high-tech career. There most certainly are, and if you don't learn to manage them they can cause a great deal of trouble and grief to you and those around you, but that's another article.




This has appeared on my ADD website http://www.addcoach4u.com and my ADD Blog http://www.adultaddstrengths.com.

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Running of the bulls? nothing but bull
This is once again an example of senseless slaughter of a poor defenseless animal.  Shame on you Spain, for allowing this as well as bullfighting to to go in this day and age.  Any one who gets thier jollies watching animals suffer is a deeply disturbed individual and I believe this says alot about our society and where we are and where we are going.  And we call ourselves civilized? How different is this from throwing the Christians to the lions in ancient Rome?  ITs just reversed, only the animals are getting thrown to the humans. 
Bull to running of the bulls
This is once again an example of senseless slaughter of a poor defenseless animal. Shame on you Spain, for allowing this as well as bullfighting to to go in this day and age. Any one who gets thier jollies watching animals suffer is a deeply disturbed individual and I believe this says alot about our society and where we are and where we are going. And we call ourselves civilized? How different is this from throwing the Christians to the lions in ancient Rome? ITs just reversed, only the animals are getting thrown to the humans.


Pit bull dogs killed my lab
Thank you for your messages. I have read every one and I can see the point of each. I am trying to deal with this the fairest way I know how, but I am heartbroken and do not want anyone else to have to deal with this kind of thing.

Thank you for responding. I really do appreciate every one of your messages. OP
That's bull; I've seen great MTs take a hit
Particularly with dishonest MTSO, which is why I don't work for him anymore!
A good place to get reasonable, objective info regarding ADHD is CHADD

just keep it in mind for the future. www.chad.org. Also there are some informative videos at coolnurse.com. About 10 videos regarding ADHD. you will have do a search on the site but it's worth it. If it's in her father's family it could be possible that she has it, and if so, you needed to get educated about it and be her advocate. School systems respond very well to confident, well prepared parents who come in to meet for a plan that allows for reasonable accomodations. I've been doing it for years.


Well, I have 3 rambuncious (sp), bull headed boys. sm
Of course, they knew everything then and know everything now. I couldn't pick their friends but boy I sure pounded into their heads that as long as their friends were at my house, they abided by my rules and my boys were responsible for their friends' behaviors. If their friends acted out of line, my boys were responsible for telling them to get the hell out--didn't have much trouble when I gave the kids that responsibility. Sometimes their friends weren't the cream of the crop or came from not very well to do families, but they always acted appropriately at our house, then and now. Have earned a lot of respect from my kids' friends that way. Sometimes, they spent more time at our house than they did their own. My kids weren't angels but they didn't turn out to be felons or junkies or drunks, either.
Usually the one who dies is a bull - not a humane sport
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That is awful but it's not necessarily just a pit bull problem...
It is awful what happened to your dog but to blame the dogs just because they were pitbulls is not very fair, blame them because they were dogs at large and blame their owners but don't blame the breed.  Pitbulls have a bad reputation but honestly it's not the breed's fault that drug punks and men with big egos and little penises have decided to exploit these dogs. You can visit this site http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/09/pomeranian.kills.ap/ to read about a pomeranian who killed a 6-week-old baby. The lady who had the face transplant over seas was mauled by her pet black lab.  Diane Whipple of California was killed by two Presa Canario dogs in her own apartment hallway. Yes pit bulls bite and maul and all those horrible things but so does every other breed of dog, pitbulls are just more newsworthy than the local neighborhood german shephard or rotty or aussie shephards or any of the breeds. My friends son had to have surgery on his face to repair severe lacerations from their neighbor's cocker spaniel and personally I've been bit several times by blue heelers but never by the pitbulls that various friends of mine have. Again, I'm so sorry for your loss but any group of dogs running loose with a pack mentality is capable of the same sort of thing, being a pitbull should just be a sidebar to the story and not the main point, at least in my view.  
Bull Terrier (Target dog), 3 yorkies and a parrot. nm
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**snort** statistics, schmastics, what a bunch of bull
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Sounds like a bunch of BULL to me. I agree, I wouldn't let the kids
stay with her again at ALL.  It's not okay for the kid to get arrested and the parents not be told IMMEDIATELY or at least first thing in the door when you're home.  THAT is total DISHONESTY and I don't see how hubby could feel any different.
Oh, bull. I'm with a large national and those clients whose work is offshored
That one statement is bunk.

I live in the Kansas City area and this summer we have had a rash of pit bull attacks especially

in the Independence, MO area.  The city governments have passed laws banning pit bulls and last week something like 100+ pitbulls were picked up by animal control or dropped off at the city pound and all were destroyed.


Personally, I think the owners of these animals should be held just as accountable as the dog.  Well, I guess maybe putting the owner to sleep is a bit extreme.


I'm so sorry about your lab.