127 if based on 65-char line (8243 divided by 65 is the formula) nm
Posted By: here ya go! on 2005-09-07
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What is a 55 char gross line compared to a 65-char line including spaces?
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Line-based vs. hour-based requirement
Hospitals do have an hourly requirement, and generally incentive after a certain line level. MQ only has a line based requirement, which is 12,000 per pay period. The hourly requirement is strange, unless they now plan to convert to an hourly pay plan?
What's the diff between a gross line and a 65-char line?
Mebbe just got my first OWN ACCOUNT YAY! He said to charge him the "going rate" since I pay him that. This could be the start, baby! (I hope)
I used that formula too for $.059 per line
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10 cpl per 65 char line
I include all spaces, headers, footers, etc with a 24 hour TAT.
65 char line
while you are in a Word document, click on Tools from the bar at the top. Then click on word count. You will see characters (no spaces) and characters (with spaces). If you are paid by 65 characters with spaces, take that number and divide it by 65. Then take the result and multiply the result by .08 or .09 if you are paid 8 or 9 cents per line. That is the amount of money you made for that one letter.
7.5/gross line or 10/65 char line?
Anyone have any idea which would come out to more? TIA
1385 by 65 char line.
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65 char per line is not the same as gross?? sm
You said "Anyway go with gross line, I still quote it as 65 characters per line which it is but I count by gross and 12 font."
65 char per line is NOT the same as gross. How in the world do you come to the conclusion that it is? If it was the same, then the 65-char line would not even exist. Gross line count means that even a line containing only one word is counted as a whole line. 65-char. line means that a line must contain at least 65 characters (i.e., letters, numbers, or symbols) to be counted as a whole line.
Gross line does not equal 65-char. line and you are doing a huge disservice to your clients and to the other MTs asking for advice here by saying it is. Clients do sometimes check the line counts to see if they match (obviously yours don't so you have been lucky so far) and if you bill them at gross lines and they are counting at 65 chars per line, your line count will be quite a bit higher and it will look like you have been padding your line counts.
Please, do clarify how it is you feel a gorss line is the same as 65 char. per line. Also, font does make a difference when using gross lines but does not make a difference when using 65-char lines so again, your theory that you are switching fonts tells me you are, indeed, charging gross lines and yet are quoting clients at 65 chars a line.
Does anyone else think this is just a tad on the shady side ???
.11 cpl/60 char. line for hospital
account that I do from home and am also considered an employee. They pay my insurance and also offer family insurance for 110.00 a month. I also have another account for a brain and spine trauma center that pay me .13 cpl/65 char. line.
Here's the thing. We were paid on a 50-char line SM
because we were on new software and it was hard (before EDiX). Then we went to 60 char and you have never heard the screeching and griping (LOL. We just didn't know).
I have told this story before, but for five years I was the supervisor in the MT dept. All I did was evaluate MTs, line counts, average lines per hour, just endless figuring. I could tell you off the top of my head what any particular dictation should count out to.
In fact, after I decided to go back to transcribing, I knew the very day that my former employees started cheating - our line counts were posted by ssn on a computer-generated list. I knew that work like the back of my hand.
When EDiX did their spiel, I was eager to start with them because I knew how they supposedly counted their lines and I knew how many lines a day I could type. Man, I was gonna be RICH.
Not one line count EVER matched what it used to. Bad thing about that is, I just got blank silence on the telephone when I asked what was the deal. When I asked my immediate supervisors how they were counting these lines, I got "I don't know. I'll get back to you." Nobody ever answered my question. I gave them a year full time, and then I had to start working other jobs to make ends meet so I quit.
They asked me to come back, and I said I would, part time. They said they really needed me on that account. All told, I was employed there three times in three years. I never made enough money to even cover my basic expenses. I cannot live like that.
My biggest problem with nationals, and the reason I refuse to work for them, is that the money goes to the suits first, the MTs next. People who do what we do simply do not need that much supervision. If they hire newbies who do need extensive supervision (and they do, we all did), we all pay for it in that situation -- I'm not against hiring newbies, by the way, but the $ it takes to hold their hands the way the need their hands held should not come out of the pocket of the veteran MT who sits down and chugs out her work day in, day out.
So no more nationals for me. I make three times what I made at EDiX now, working for a company that could be considered a national because we're scattered out, but it's still run by the owner, and her aim in life is for us to make as much $$$ as possible because then SHE does. That's the way it should be.
National companies treat MT as a cost center and that is not right. That's for the facilities to do. The MTSO should treat us as an income-generating entity instead of a hole to divert money away from their executives. They've got it all wrong!
Gross versus 65 char line
Can someone tell me how a gross line is calculated. Thanks.
I charge by 65-char line with spaces...sm
The two accounts I've worked on wanted 0.5 inch margins on both sides. One of the accounts wants 10-point Times. The other wants 12-point Times. They want the margins so big because they are trying to save on their paper costs, because the sticky back paper (I think that's what they use) is apparently quite expensive. I send the documents via e-mail for them to print on their own. Anyway, charging for a 65-character line with spaces nets me more than a gross line because of the margins, font, and typeface. Try it with your line counter. I have one built into my Instant Text (which I don't use for invoices) and SylCount. Both of them show that the gross line is quite a bit less when the margins are this big.
Why not charge for spaces? You type 'em like you type a letter or number! 
10 cents/line 65 char. w/spaces,
Small company (about 7 of us, I'm the only part-timer) Acute care, mix of dictators, 1 year part-time experience.
Only if that is coupled with a line definition of greater than 55 char.
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65-char line to client and charge for gross? sm
That's a bit underhanded. If they ever get suspicious, your line counts are going to exceed what they count at 65 char. a line. You said yourself that 65-char/line and gross line are two different things, so why do you contract with the client saying you bill for one and actually bill for another ?? That's shady, IMO, and I would never quote my client a 65-char line and then charge them for gross line.
At 40 hours a week? Is that gross line or 65 char?
You'll never get an accurate comparison unless you have every single detail lining up, i.e., same rate per line, same amount of hours, same type of work, same doctors dictating, same amount of Expander entries, same typing speed, same method of payment, etc., etc.
It just doesn't matter what anyone here posts -- it's going to be different for each individual. There is no real true way to predict what you will make at this profession!
then they'll offer you 8 cents/ 65 char line. very sad nm
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I quote a price per gross 65 char line, say 12 cpl, but then convert
I have one client who doesn't want bulk and is Franklin condensed 10; another is on Garamond 12 with a 1 inch margin R and L. I take a large block of type, put in a format that gives me 65 char per line and do a line count that way and get a price for the whole block, for example, 58 gross lines at 12 cpl = $6.96. Then I take the same type and format it as the client wishes, get a line count and divide the dollar amount by the lines. If their formatted version came to 28 lines, then 6.96 divided by 28, would come to 24 cpl for their format. I always include a line on the invoice to indicate their 65 char line rate. Something like
2586 extended lines at 0.24 cpl = $620.64
(your line rate converts to 0.12 cpl for standard 65 char line)
I always educate the client as to the industry standard of the 65 char line which allows clients to compare apples to apples...
I just re-read his email and he said he paid 9 cpl per 55-char line! Must be offshore. sm
I'm going to bring up the offshore issue with him and HIPPA issue as well. My OB/GYN just switched over to that practice to do just GYN and specialize in urological gyn, so they have my records too and I sure don't want them overseas. Even if they don't want to hire me, that's fine and I'm not going to sales pitch him at all, but I don't want my records outsourced.
Two companies, both 65 char lines including spaces, one pays 0.10/l and the other 8.5/gross line. n
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I think it was based on 65-character line
All these formulas are confusing to me. I guess I need to ask some more questions. But, it's also an IC position, so that makes a difference doesn't it? Low pay for that? But, you are right, might be good experience.
It is based on a 65-character line. sm
Headers/footers not included, spaces are.
My ES accounts always match that of Word when you take total characters including spaces and divide by 65.
EditScript software does not "control" spaces after a sentence. If you put 2, it will count 2, and if you put 1 it will count 1.
If a comes up ready for editing and you have to transcribe part of the report, you are paid at the editing line rate....unless you contact your account/supervisor and tell them you had to transcribe it. Depending on the company or hospital, they may or may not give you the transcription rate. That is probably a case-by-case basis or account-by-account basis.
The software can not determine you transcribe part of a report that was initially q'd for editing. If that dictator is voice recognized and he dictates one sentence, it becomes a document "Ready for Editing."
I hope this answers your questions.
I have been working with ES for about 7 years now. Absolutely enjoy working with this software program.
Line rate based on output
If you are making 6 cpl, then you are putting out the minimum amount of lines per hour.
Not everyone bills based ona 65-character line
An MT billing gross lines would stand to lose a great deal with a smaller font.
See, not so confusing.
Is 9 cpl, based on a 55 black character line good pay?
I think I explained that okay. Basically, a 55-character line, black, and pay is 9 cpl per line. I was not sure how this compared to 65-character line with spaces at 8 cpl etc. Any help out there?
8243 chars is how many lines?
confused!!! lol
Own accounts; 12 cpl 65 char and 17 cpl 65 char.
Accounts are on the West Coast.
I divided 54 lines by $2.50, & got less and 4 cpl. nm
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Cost divided by minutes (sm)
For other things, it would depend on what you were trying to calculate. The next time you need to do this, try using smaller numbers and test your formula, then when you determine the correct formula, calculate whatever it is you're working on.
Oops! Other way around: divided $2.50 by 54 lines!
That's why I got bad grades in h.s. math!
Word "lines" divided by 65
Of course you made out good, you're taking lines that aren't 65 characters long and giving yourself credit for 65 characters. I don't want to sound harsh, but that's cheating.
If you use Word to count the LINES in a document, as one poster mentioned, you get a count of all the lines -- include blank lines, including Dear Dr. SoandSo, Sincerely, -- all those things are counted as lines. They're usually referred to as "gross lines" because it's just the gross number of lines in a document.
But if you calculate "Sincerely," as a 65-character line, I don't want to sound harsh, but that's just cheating. The word "Sincerely," is not 65-characters long.
Your company counts the characters and divides by 65 to come up with the number of 65-character lines.
Eggs come in different-sized cartons. If the store told you a carton of 6 eggs and a carton of 12 eggs was 2 dozen eggs, they'be cheating you. You certainly wouldn't want to pay for 2 dozen eggs, you're only getting 18. So 2 cartons of eggs is not necessarily 2 dozen eggs.
You see what I mean?
In Word, take the character count (with spaces) divided by 65... SM
that will give you an accurate line count, but you'll have to write the character count down for each and every report before you finish and send the report. I put a button on my tool bar that I just clicked to bring up the document counts and then I just kept a log that wrote down job number and character count for each report. Then at the end of the day just add up the characters divide by 65 and you've got your line count for the day. Kind of a hassle, but worth it in the long run.
I meant 2 medium garlic divided into the cloves...was half asleep LOL
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formula
take the character with spaces number - divide by 65 and mutliply by your rate (0.11)- this would be with spaces - for without use the total charater count - use only after you save your work to ensure all characters are counted.
what is the formula
for a straight line count that MTstars program gives you - when I do - tools - properties - line ocunt is is much different - what is the formula used in the program - I thinkI may have been jipping muself.
formula
Divide your lines per hour by 60 then multiply by 15.
i.e. If you type 240 lines per hour; divide that by 60 = 4; then multiply 4 by 15 which would equal 60 words per minute.
I think you must have their formula backward.
They probably divide the total by 15 to come up with your 30 minute production rate, then multiply that by 2 to average out for 8 hour day if you are paid by the line or incentive program. What you are saying makes no sense and would be a detriment to them in any type of worker dispute hearing.
Formula of dictation
Depending on the dictation and your experience, the formula I have always used is: 4 minutes for every 1 minute of dictation or 225 lines minimum an hour. It is usually required that a Transcriptionist do 100 minutes of dictation or 1,000 lines a day if you are working full-time. I know some do less and some do quite a bit more. I do anywhere from 1500+ lines a day. I hope this helps.
this is equal to a very old formula
Back when documents were produced on typewriters, formulas were created to define the average length of a line. It was defined as 10 words with spaces, with the average word being 5 characters - thus 55 printed characters per line.
All the ad your reading is saying is that they will take all the visible characters you produce and divide it by 55 to decide your final production at the end of the day. It does not include bolding, underlining, hard returns, spaces, etc., as had been defined by the old AAMT.
The new AAMT/MTIA whatever it is called monster is redefining a line as only characters you see and this ad is embracing the new definition and defining 55 visible characters as a line. A 55 visible character line is approximately equal to a 65 line that includes spaces - but I bet they are not going to compensate for thespacesyouneedtoinsertintotthelinetomakeitreadable.
there has to be some sort of formula out there
to count the lines minus the headers and footers.
QA score formula
Can anyone post formula for figuring QA score. Thanks!
Ohh, someone gave formula for figuring out
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Formula for calculating lines?
Can anyone give me the formula for calculating lines rates? I need to know how much (money) is made if I transcribe 15,000 lines at 8 or 9 cents per line. Also, about how many pages is 15,000 lines (I know that each page will be different in lines for live transcription, but I'm looking for a ball park figure.) It's been a while since I have been on this payment format.
Formula: Dictation Minutes x 3 = 3 hours
That's always been the calculation -- a ten-minute report will take 30 minutes to type... one minute = three minutes, etc... Depending on how slow the doc is, though, you can really speed him up and sometimes type real-time.
I used to use MK foundation, but they changed the formula and now I'm allergic to it.
It makes my eyes water and I can't wear it any longer. I haven't found a foundation that I like as well as the previous MK formula. I wish they hadn't changed it.
Formula is: Characters PLUS spaces / 65 = lines. (nm)
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I worked for a local hospital that used the same formula for our incentive pay.
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8 CPL, 65-char w/ sp.
RTI, Inc./California (but I am in AZ as IC. Think I could do better.
People should have powdered formula/mild. Mix it up one bottle at a time.
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Powdered formula/milk sounds like a good solution.
However, if you're out of a clean, nonpoluted water supply for over 2 weeks, with no resources available to receive such in the foreseable future, I don't believe even this alternative would suffice! Powdered formula needs to be mixed with something. The only alternative I could imagine available at this point in time would be urine, if you yourself were not totally dehydrated. If you were totally dehydrated & not producing urine, what is your next suggestion?
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