yep, those *pristine* areas never show REAL LIFE
Posted By: they are false utopias.....and don't think...sm on 2007-05-21
In Reply to: Who'd want to live there? Yuk. - You said it sista
PLEASE do NOT think that *pristine* neighborhoods are free of drugs, crime, domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism, methamphetamine labs, and all the REAL stuff that goes on in MOST neighborhoods - because ALL these problems have crossed over ALL socioeconomic lines in this country!
Let her rant and rave....nobody really knows what goes on behind closed doors! Pristine, white collar, no matter what kind of area - the blight has crossed over EVERYWHERE over 30-40 years now!
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Fantasy is always better than real life -
He is a stranger after all these years and nothing more. Stop lying to your husband and yourself. Be happy with what you already have and stop longing for what might be. Trust me on this. Went a similar route myself that nearly destroyed me and everyone in my path 8 years ago. I was very luck my husband forgave my temporary insanity!
I believe she means the actress, in real life . . .
I think I read about that somewhere on the net a few weeks ago, just did not know who she was at the time.
Guess I'm the only one who thinks this is a real airhead show with
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I think you need to get out of the house and meet people in real life.
Any man can seem fabulous on the phone or through email. Your relationship has become inappropriate and you know it. IF he cheats on his wife, he WILL cheat on you. For your own sanity and well being, you need to end things now.
How old is Meredith/Ellen in real life? I thought she was
maybe very late 40s, pushing 50, a little old to be pregnant with your first child...
For a real life-changing book, read The Last Lecture. nm
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lol, sort of like the dancing version of The Surreal Life show??
But I liked that show too :)
I guess, different men in diff areas...sm
It's funny the comparison here....as I have one daughter (an only) who is 26 and she is the most thoughtful, giving, so not a me-me-me type of person, it's amazing. However, I taught her to be that way, to always think of others, and she does. Perhaps I just *lucked* out. I'm not sure. But I am so thankful EVERY DAY for this type of daughter!!! BTW, she did NOT inherit these good traits that I speak of from her father, who is a me-me-me type. (European/French)
In some areas of the country it isn't really inappropriate sm
Not to be disagreeable but where I live a simple kiss on the cheek is pretty normal when meeting someone, etc. So perhaps it is a more common thing where that person is from and therefore there may have been no ulterior motive behind it. I recently went to my brother's wedding and quickly realized that not everyone wanted a kiss on the cheek when I gave them their lei at the luau party - though it is custom here.
In many areas they also get free water too
Also even tho they don't pay property taxes they get the sevices of police & fire protection and possibly trash pickup!
I found this - it's from Oct 11, 2006. Interesting read!
Not so Separate Church and State—Should Christian Organizations Get Breaks from the Government?
The New York Times this week has run a series of interesting articles by Diana B. Hendriques about the ever decreasing size of the wall between church and state in a variety of matters. This particular blog will try to digest the evidence she presents. Here first are links to several of the articles
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/business/08religious.html?_r=2&pagewanted=6&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/09/business/09religious.html?th&emc=th
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/business/10religious.html?th&emc=th
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/business/11religious.html?th&emc=th
Take first the issue of Christian Day Care Schools. In many state they do not have to be run to the same standards nor have the same inspections as state run Day Care centers. For example a state run center in Alabama must: 1) have regular training for its staff; 2) submit to regular on-site inspections; 3) have a lock and key for the medicine cabinet; 4) have two sinks only one of which can be for food preparation; 4) have a license; 5) comply with the civil rights laws in regard to hiring; 6) file a report with the IRS of donations and grants to the center. None of these restrictions apply to the Church of God Day Care Center in Auburn Alabama or for that matter other such Christian Day Care Centers. One of the things that came as a surprise to me in reading the articles is that while some such exemptions are of long standing, many of these sorts of exemptions have been created in the last fifteen years. In fact, there has been a growing trend of such exemptions in the last decade or two--- more than 200 laws have been created since 1989 of this sort in a wide variety of states. One professor from Emory has bemoaned the changes in the laws and says that separation of church and state is no longer the law of our land—instead we have what he calls ‘religious affirmation action programs’. And what is especially telling is that it is low church Protestants who formerly screamed loudest about separation of church and state who are now taking full advantage of such new laws, while still preaching that the government is a menace to and is endangering the separation of church and state rules. What’s up with that?
The timing of these new breaks in the law is especially propitious since the church is going more and more into non-traditional styles of ‘ministry’--- ranging from ice cream parlors to beauty salons to athletic facilities to funeral homes to day care centers to bookstores! Churches get property tax breaks, and lee way in using their land to a degree that other organizations can only envy. Here’s one telling sentence from the first of these articles which appeared in Sunday’s paper--- “In recent years, a church-run fitness center with a tanning bed and video arcade in Minnesota, a biblical theme park in Florida, a ministry’s 1,800-acre training retreat and conference center in Michigan, religious broadcasters’ transmission towers in Washington State, and housing for teachers at church-run schools in Alaska have all been granted tax breaks by local officials — or, when they balked, by the courts or state legislators.” Of course all these facilities have city water, city trash service, city fire and police protection and so on—they just don’t have to pay the taxes which pay for them.
In some cases, it is right to ask are all of these exemptions given to activities that are 1) not for profit; 2) could be called charitable activities that benefit the whole community and the like? It is easier to answer this question when it comes to soup kitchens open to all, drug rehab centers open to all, clothing and shelter services open to all. For example, my church runs a ‘Room at the Inn’ service for the homeless several nights a month. These sorts of services do indeed benefit the whole community and are a public service. But some of these perks seem to go well beyond the intent of First Amendment which of course says that Congress shall make no law in regard to the free establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. In what way is freedom of religion at issue in the establishment of a Christian beauty parlor? Inquiring minds want to know. When you discover tax exempt Christian old folk’s homes that are raking in huge sums of money, do not take the poor or indigent, and bleed dry every last resource of various old people, you have to say--- THIS IS NOT A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION.
And then there is the issue not just of tax and land use breaks, but the actual garnering of federal grants. You will be interested to know that this growing trend began with Bill Clinton in 1996. There are now federal grants and contracts that churches can regularly apply for. Just another example of everyone’s tax dollars at work. Is it really true, by and large that radical courts have been gutting our religious freedoms, or would it be fairer to say that the courts have not done this, indeed quite the opposite in the last fifteen years, but it has become more particular about the public display of religious things on public property? It seems to me that the latter is nearer the actual truth.
Lets consider another aspect of the separation issue—employees of religious institutions. Many of them have few if any legal rights when it comes to their employment. They can be dismissed without due process or proper cause. Take for instance the story of Mary Rosati. She was a novice in training in an order of nuns in Toledo. One day she went to the doctor with her Mother Superior and discovered she had breast cancer and that it was serious. The Mother Superior then announced” We will have to let her go. I don’t think we can take care of her.” (not a religious ground for dismissal. Indeed one might say that dismissal for that reason goes against the religious teaching of Jesus). Some months later Ms. Rosati was told that she was being let go because the Mother Superior and her council had concluded she was not called to be a part of the order (a religious opinion). Mary Rosati lost her health insurance in them midst of battling cancer, and still has none. Now if it had been a secular employer, Mary Rosati could have taken the matter to court and won on the basis of the American with Disabilities Act. But when Ms. Rosati went to court, the case was dismissed as an ‘ecclesiastical’ matter which was beyond the court’s jurisdiction and indeed outside the Americans with Disabilities Act. Bottom line—here we have a Christian organization trying to selfishly protect itself, at the expense of one of its own noviates. In short, the law, or lack of a law, allows Christians to behave badly towards their employees. And there are many similar tales I could tell. Take the case of Lynette Petruska, who was a chaplain at Gannon University, a Catholic school in Erie Pa. In fact she was its first female chaplain. During her brief three year tenure in this job, she apparently did her work too well. She refused to co-operate in the cover up the sexual misconduct of a senior official at the school, she refused to support the slackening of restrictions in regard to on campus rules about sexual harassment, and she was demoted and then in essence force out. Here was a woman who went through 16 years of Catholic education, was very supportive of her institution she was serving at, thought that Christian ethics should especially apply there, and probably lost her job for it. Two years have come and gone, and no court so far will touch the case because of ‘separation of church and state’, even though Rev. Gannon says that her superior acknowledged he was demoting her because she was a woman. Or I could tell you the story of the 73 year old United Methodist minister who was forced to retire from his church in Stony Brook even though he wanted to keep serving as did his church, but he bumped into the mandatory retirement rule of our denomination. He has sued, to no avail thus far. Does age discrimination have a place in the Christian workplace?
Perhaps we don’t want the state to police the church for us, but in that case, should we not be policing ourselves? Should we not set up some sort of ecclesiastical court system for all genuine Christian denominations that such people could appeal to? Couldn’t we have an accountability system for Christian colleges and institutions? Something with some clout like the Evangelical Financial Accountability organization?
But there are other issues as well. In June of this year, Governor Jeb Bush signed a piece of legislation into law which exempted “the Holy Land Experience” from paying $300,000 a year in back taxes for the last five years. Seems this ‘Christian business’ has been raking in the dough. Now I have been to this Christian theme park. It’s o.k., but it has its hokey dimensions, and it certainly isn’t a charity. It’s a for profit organization that benefits from land use laws, property laws, and tax exemption as if it were a church. Only its not—it’s a business, a theme park, only a few miles from Disneyworld and other theme parks. It cost $35 for adults and $23 fir children to get in. Charity is not the word that comes to mind. Nor is it providing any public service of a social nature at least (it is providing some dubious Biblical interpretation). I don’t have a problem with them being a business—but shouldn’t they be paying for city water, lights, streets, fire and police services, like any other business? Inquiring minds want to know.
If we look at the issue of laws invoking or ruling on the separation of church and state issue two things seem clear. They were far stricter in the mid 70s than they are today, Secondly, we cannot claim that this change is due solely to the growing political influence of the Republican religious right. In fact it has come about because Christians who are both Democrats and Republicans in Congress, the Senate, and the White House have been in favor of doing more that weakens the separation of church and state provisions. Now none of this crosses the line such that we could claim that the government is establishing or prohibition a particular religion. After all, Moslems, Jews, Hindus and others are also benefiting from these laws. But as it stands the government, both federal, state, and local is now in effect fighting secularism on its own by passing such laws. Which brings me to a point and some final questions. I haven’t even touched the fact that clergy can opt out of Social Security and get housing allowance breaks with the IRS. There is incredible scope to the amount of privileges granted in the name of religion by various levels of our government.
QUESTION ONE--- IS IT TRUE OR FALSE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS ANTI-CHRISTIAN? I don’t really see how we can claim it is true in any global or comprehensive sense if one looks at the trail of legislation.
QUESTION TWO—DO WE CARE IF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HAS BEEN ERODED IN SOME RESPECTS, AND STRENGTHEN BY EXEMPTIONS IN OTHERS? It certainly seems that even many traditional Christian separatists care less and less about this.
QUESTION THREE—DO WE WANT THE GOVERNMENT HELPING US THRIVE IN BUSINESS, AND EXTEND THE SOCIAL GOSPEL IN VARIOUS WAYS? I don’t particularly see the latter as at all a bad thing, since it has some wide public benefit and does not amount to the establishment of religion in the doctrinal sense. As for the former, I have some questions.
QUESTION FOUR--- IF ALL THIS IS TRUE, IS THE CLAIM OF INCREASING LIBERALISM AND SECULARISM IN OUR CULTURE SIMPLY FALSE? Yes I think this is largely true on the latter issue (secularism). We are a profoundly religious people, its just not as much Christian religion as it used to be. As for the former question, I think the answer is yes and no depending on the issue. If you look at the way the nation votes as a barometer, the answer is that since 2000 signs point definitely towards no.
Prices will vary in different areas of the country.
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And her tail covering those "delicate" areas to prevent
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Cavities in areas no longer protected by enamel.
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he's not a real person, but that feeling is real - the magic. nm
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Question. Do many of you have problems with streets, turns, etc. driving at night in strange areas
you are not familiar with. I am not thrilled by night driving in unfamiliar towns.
I have a life, a great life at that. I just happen to include my canine family
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Office; Life on Mars; Lost; Life; Pushing Daisies
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I missed the show but yesterday on her show
a couple of brothers came in and gave money to the family. Sorry I don't have more info, but like you, I do love the show. The brothers tried to give some of the credit to Oprah but she wouldn't take it. She really wanted the brothers to get all the credit.
of course it's real!!! It's all real, hence the title
gross
If all this is for real...
I can't imagine that you haven't ripped her superior little head off! What a nerve this woman has. Stand up for you and your child. She is NO better than you are just because you chose to raise your children differently than she did! I am more like you, in raising my children that is, they do not have a lot of structured activities...my 7 YO just wants to be a kid and play! I don't force him to play with anyone he doesn't want to...and you shouldn't feel like you have to force your child to play with anyone he doesn't want to.
Take a stand against this woman...tell her what you think and let it go...what's she gonna do, ground you? 
Definitely real.
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Up and real
We've had ours up since the day after Thanksgiving along with all the inside and outside of the house decorated at the same time.
let's see, what is more REAL,
googling something
or experiencing with knowledge 1st hand???
Real Dad
My husband met his real Dad after 20 years of searching. We live on the East coast. His Dad lives on the West coast. My MIL did not want him him meeting his Dad for the same reason.
I can tell you this, his Dad was very receptive of him. He answered some questions that neither my MIL nor anyone else could answer. It was a nice reunion.
Please disregard your mother's opinion at this point because she is probably scorn and feels you should feel the same way. It just doesn't work that way with the child that wants to know their Dad. My husband didn't care what his Dad was like, but he wanted to see him and talk to him.
He now only talks to him occasionally, but I can say that my hubby sleeps much better at night and has learned acceptable, which has really helped emotionally with this struggle he has had all of these years wanting to know his Dad.
Even if you just write a letter explaining that you just wanted to know who he was and to make sure he is safe! Holding grudges and putting a lot of emotional junk out there at first is sort of a turn-off in my opinion, but in time, you'll find your answers.
Good luck to you, and so glad you at least know he's safe and has a family that loves him, albeit he left out on you. Hold those kinds of feelings in your heart instead of holding grief or demeaning feelings because the "good stuff" lasts longer and doesn't cause as much heartache!
Take care and God Bless!
Is this for real?
This could be anybody...and probably is NOT a young expecting couple, I'd bet...wow, how unbelievable.. BTW, how did you find this? Just curious. Guess I'm just not very Internet savvy, cause I can't find anything worth looking at out there...
Get real
It is unrealistic to expect parents to pick up a high schooler - chances are both parents work.
You are missing the point here - the schools are not doing job!!!! Kids don't feel safe at school because they are not safe - and that's the fault of we adults. We have to demand better accountability from the school officials, including the school board. Even if it means some of the Dads - or Moms if they feel qualified - patrol the school themselves as a voluntary security force. It's pathetic that our kids have to even think about protecting themselves from other kids, but that is the world we have handed over to them.
HomeMT, I applaud you for protesting your child's suspenson. I think she should be allowed to carry the pepper spray. I would get her into a self-defense class, too, just so she can learn some other methods of protecting herself. This doesn't have to martial arts, but there are 1 and 2 hour classes where they can teach you methods to protect yourself from an attacke from behind, etc. All female children should have this trainng.
I am about as real as it gets
I am putting the truth out there and if some don’t like, nothing I can do about it. No one, including this girl, is allowed to have any sort of pepper spray, knives, guns, paper cutters and if you think children are not being suspended for just having drawings, then you are not listening to the world around you. A 15 year old knows right from wrong about school issues. I do not see this parent getting anything reversed. Her child was wrong in having it and if the parent bought for her to take to school, they are wrong as well. You should read my post because I said either she or someone else pick up the child if safety is such an issue. I think in high school most children hate riding the yellow bus and would rather walk,drive or be driven to school and usually is the case now. I hold the parents resonsible for the sad state of affairs with the schools- too much pampering with Johnny and Janie. The kids have no respect for their teachers nor for their own selves.
I am not real sure about this, but---sm
I have seen advertisements for the newer digital type hearing aides that run around $1500 for each ear. good luck.
Get real
This guy doesn't need a kidney - he has taken a new job and has to learn a new route. The mom should leave him alone - if he isn't smart or resourceful enough to contact the vast number of resources that NYC has to offer tourists and new city dwellers on how to get around in Manhattan, then he isn't smart enough to have that job.
For crying out loud, some of you women just won't let go of your little boys.
I think you are for real. .
I believe what you see is for real. . I don't see these things to this extent. just a little. I think it must be a gift. though we can't undernstand it fully. . .
Are they for real?
 I can't imaging a service posting a pay of 5 to 7 cents per line - I wonder how many people can (or would) work for that??
Yep - this would be for real and actually
I did take today off to drink it up with jose and lay in the pool all day not giving a flip anymore!
get real
rent here in Miami for a studio is 2K a month - I drive my car to the store twice a month stock up and live on about $300 a month for groceries -- BTW furnished room too for $575 (small kitchenette, full bath and living/bedroom area) so quit griping and realize how lucky SOME of you do have it -- BTW - Im single, and even s/o who does not live with me has had problems with money lately -- we are both "stressing" but surviving
so you babies need to grow up and quit griping and working a weekend, 2 or 3 wouldn't hurt either.
Yes they did! And I have a real one and I
If you go on e bay, please don't get the felt ones which are fake. You need to get a real one. Though the vintage collectors (which I am) will pay top-dollar. I took a lot of time to find one and it is real wool and I love to wear it. The crinoline underneath can be found on e bay and you can put in the search as square dancing crinoline, or crinoline. Make sure it does not go below the skirt much like the wedding dress crinolines, 2 different things.
I do suggest e bay, but do not look under costumes. Look under vintage poodle skirt and make sure that your mom or someone who knows the real thing from the fake. If you are going to spend money, don't waste it. Also you can get saddle shoes, (white and black tie shoes). Believe it or not, I wear it around (I live in Florida) and may elderly women stop me and so do their husbands to thank them for the memories. BTW: Friskyfrocks vintage is one vendor on e bay who knows all about crinolines. You can e mail her and ask her anything you want to know. She is very honest. Her name is Nellie. Tell her Diane from Florida sent you. Good luck!
Are you for real?
That "all woman" robot will never experience menopause either, so why would anyone suggest she take a pill? Bashing hormones and birth control pills and feminism? I'm not sure where that all came from out of a simple question about menopause or how you even can put all of that together. Just like every woman's PMS, giving birth, work, family, marriage, etc experiences are different, so are the experiences of menopause. For those who can get through them all gracefully and without problems, I say you go girl! But for those who can't, I say if a man came up with a pill that will make all the discomfort go away, he's my new best friend. And phooey on you if you just don't get that not everyone can be (or wants to be) an "all natural girl." That doesn't make us any less "all woman" or our husbands "all man." Bravo to the women who have reached out and asked for help - too many of us don't until it's too late or we've agonized for too long. Deenibeeni, take a bow - you've earned the applause!!!
There's no real need to tell them . . .
imo, that may open the door for them to rationalize that behavior. My son's 13-year-old friend was over the other night telling us the stories that his dad and grandpa had done as a kid (fairly wild). He thought it was hilarious. This boy was thinking it was pretty cool and my husband and I both shared the thought "What's he going to do to outdo dad and grandpa?" It's okay to admit you're not perfect and you made mistakes, but to tell them might just justify it to them. We told our children drinking is an adult decision and when they are adults they can make that decision but for now it is illegal and big trouble. We also told them what consequences they would face if they were even around kids drinking. My kids love sports too much to take that chance. sex is a tougher issue, but we've explained it is also an adult situation that should not be brought into their child lives until they are adults. That is an ongoing conversation right now . . .
oh get real, because
you can find it in print does not make it true...
For real? or something VR came up with?
For real...
I grew up in the ྌs, graduated in ྒྷ...and I didn't know 1 person who did drugs. Never saw them being dealt at school, no guns, knives, etc., brought to school. the only pregnant girl in our school had to stay in 1 classroom all day. Now it's like a status symbol to be pregnant...go figure right!
Real Tree
We just put our tree up today. A 10 footer that we paid $35 for which I thought was a great deal. We used to have an artificial tree until our cat started eating the needles (she won't touch the real needles). She got really sick (the needles stayed in her stomach) and she had to have an emergency operation. No more artificial tree from then on.
Real tree
I'll never do fake.
real tree
not bought, but hunted for; we love the smell of cedar throughout the house!
PDR not real MT-friendly....IMO
the best drug books are the quick reference styles specifically made for MT - and now some come on CD making it even quicker/easier. The Quick Look Drug Book CD is my favorite.
You got it!!! I am so real, it's scary *LOL*
And I never tried to push my upbringing/religion onto anybody ever in life and now I'm not into organized religion but very into G_D! And I would never push my ways down anyone else's gullet.
Never had a cat before? You are in for a real treat (sm)
Cats are just so cool. I have 3 dogs and my 20 year old cat just died in Feb. They work their way into your heart just like dogs do, but in many ways are so much easier to deal with. And they have this way of looking at you when you give them the "wrong" food that day, like you have just totally lost your mind. If you're gone for a few days, your dogs will be so excited to see you when you get back. Cats will act like they don't care, and are just so uninterested that you came back (till an hour or so later when they decide to "forgive" you. As you can probably see, I miss my baby. Best of luck with yours.
Well, hello, this is the real world
and a company is in business to make money. They care less about a sick child at home, that is your responsibility, not theirs and they are completely right in telling you to get someone to watch her or else your job is on the line. That is called business but at the same time you are complaining about bleeding so much, you are wanting to go on a field trip? I do not think you have your priorities in line - that is if you want to work or maybe just quit then you could go to see about your almost passing out, feeling weak, dizzy, go on the field trip with your child - oh I almost forgot, without the income you might not be able to do the things you want. Up to you really..
Found my real Dad.
I was born in 1982 and was raised by my mom and FINALLY found my dad after years of searching. He lives in Houston. I don't want to just show up out of the blue and say dad, here I am. I have his address and phone number. Mom says that I shouldn't contact him, he walked out on her after I was born, but I want to know what he's like.
I guess he went to a lot of trouble to start a new life somewhere else, got remarried, had other kids. In all these years he hasn't made an effort to contact me, but I still want to meet him. I hear his wife doesn't want me around, but she can't stop me from seeing my dad. Still, I don't want to make any waves. What should I do.
It is a real eye-opener.
I would have never thought to call 911 much less do CPR. Good grief.
She is a real keeper!
 If she looked at you with those big brown bulging eyes you would really laugh. Sometimes when I am afraid and feel like I might have a panic attack coming on about my mom, or when work is so terrible like now, etc. I think of her and just animals in general and I actually feel myself calm down. Thank you so much for your very nice comment. I don't want to fight with anyone. Thanks for recognizing that.
Yep, George W. is a real
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Someone could be a real stinker and (sm)
place a call into Homeland Security and sweetly, but in a slightly panicked voice, say anything that pops into your head, whilst at the same time nonchalantly slipping in about where he hails from. No one will ever see him again.
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