regarding santa message below:
Posted By: me on 2006-12-14
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im the one who started the santa thing. tonight is our christmas program, can someone who is really quick whitted give me like a one to two line statement or question for her to let her know what kind of mistake she has made? that its not something funny, or to blow off..
without causing too big of a scene...and not affending bystanders.
im sure there is someone on here who could just cut her down with their words..and really make her step back and take a good hard look at herself....if its YOU...i need your expertise in the subject.
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the underlying read-between-the-lines message of the insurance lobbyist's message was (sm)
to, yes, appeal the denied claim. However, she lobbies for the insurance companies. She comes across sounding like she's on the patient's side but in reality she is on the side of the insurance company. The insurance company gets to deny whatever claims they want right off the bat. That leaves the SICK patient (who needs the coverage NOW when they are sick) to have to go through the appeals process. That could take quite a while. Imagine a cancer patient being denied some form of treatment that is going to help them. They now have to go through the appeals process (or pay out of pocket) in order for that treatment to be covered. In the MEANTIME their cancer is progressing. From the point of view of the insurance company, if they drag it out long enough they don't have to pay for it at all. That same insurance lobbyist was on 20/20 a little while back and basically came right out and said that the insurance companies COULDN'T AFFORD to pay for coverage for sick people. She's not on the patient's side.
What!!!! No Santa?
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
No Santa Claus?Thank God he lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!!
Santa
You don't give any details about this came about. Did someone in the class ask the teacher if Santa Claus was real? If so, she/he would not want to lie to the class, since that would undermine their trust in her/him.
If you have a third grader who still believes in Santa, you must have wrapped them in bubble wrap for the past 2 years. It is a very rare child who believes beyond Kindergarten or First Grade - usually their older siblings or the neighor kid tells them "the truth."
BTW, I think the "truth" about Santa is that he is real - he's a symbol of the Christmas Spirit and that survives despite all the cynicism, hatred, intolerance and fear in the world.
santa
I must admit even before my brother and sister told me at age 8 I was beginning to have doubts and I did not want to say anything because I thought I would not get a lot of gifts but it was still fun believing there was the possibilty also that there could be a santa! Someone breaks your heart sooner or later.
Bad Santa...
"I saw you at another mall. Well, I'm happy for you. If you really are Santa, you could do magic. Wanna see some magic? OK, let's watch you disappear!"
You don't believe in Santa?
Santa is the "spirit" of Christmas. I can't imagine not believe there is a Santa Clause, and I'm 37. Oh my goodness, honey, you're won't get anything for Christmas if you don't believe in Santa.... 
Santa
My DD is going on 10 and DS is 6. They believe in Santa. My daughter has questioned and I explained it this way - There was a real Santa, and that whole story and that he brings the presents to those that "believe", but the second you say out loud "into the air" that you don't believe , we (meaning mom and dad) have to start bringing the presents...and I can't afford that...:)
So she still believes but we also get gifts from "Mom and Dad" so there are also things under the tree from us as well as Santa (who by the way does not wrap, but that's another discussion altogether!)
By the way, in our house Santa, the tooth fairy, Jesus, and God all know each other and communicate with each other, as in God sees everything and knows if you are "being bad" and let's Santa know, etc...They are not to keen on the whole Easter Bunny thing though...
Santa and EB and TF
I have a friend who promised she would never lie to her kids, and so she was honest from the start about Santa and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, but also explained to them that alot of their friends believe in them, so asked her kids not to ruin it for them.
In our house, our kids believe in the "idea" of Santa and the Easter Bunny but were confused about why we would see so many Santas in every store. I told them that Santa could not physically be in every place at once, so we all have Christmas Spirit, which we use in different ways to help Santa. So some of us dress up like Santa, some of us deliver presents to needy kids, that kind of thing. At 5 and 6, they really seemed to grasp that and understand.
Believing in Santa
I'm not sure how old I was, but my 12 year old realized ther was no Santa when she was 10. I'm not sure how she actually found out, but I know a year before that she noticed the same wrapping paper that Santa used that I also used (I forgot and wrapped the gifts the same). She also said she knew no one could bring toys to everyone in the world in one night (too smart for her own good). I think most children find out through other older childen either in school or in the neighborhood. It didn't seem to effect her at all. I told her that if she ever tells her 3 year old sister before she can figure it out for herself (hopefully she'll be 10), that I won't buy her any more presents. LOL.
Dear Santa....
Dear Santa,
I've been a good mom all year. I've fed, cleaned and cuddled my children on demand, visited the doctor's office more than my doctor, sold sixty-two cases of candy bars to raise money to plant a shade tree on the school playground. I was hoping you could spread my list out over several Christmases, since I had to write this letter with my son's red crayon, on the back of a receipt in the laundry room between cycles, and who knows when I'll find anymore free time in the next 18 years.
Here are my Christmas wishes:
I'd like a pair of legs that don't ache (in any color, except purple, which I already have) and arms that don't hurt or flap in the breeze; but are strong enough to pull my screaming child out of the candy aisle in the grocery store.
I'd also like a waist, since I lost mine somewhere in the seventh month of my last pregnancy.
If you're hauling big ticket items this year I'd like fingerprint resistant windows and a radio that only plays adult music; a television that doesn't broadcast any programs containing talking animals; and a refrigerator with a secret compartment behind the crisper where I can hide to talk on the phone.
On the practical side, I could use a talking doll that says, "Yes, Mommy" to boost my parental confidence, along with two kids who don't fight and three pairs of jeans that will zip all the way up without the use of power tools.
I could also use a recording of Tibetan monks chanting "Don't eat in the living room" and "Take your hands off your brother," because my voice seems to be just out of my children's hearing range and can only be heard by the dog.
If it's too late to find any of these products, I'd settle for enough time to brush my teeth and comb my hair in the same morning , or the luxury of eating food warmer than room temperature without it being served in a Styrofoam container.
If you don't mind, I could also use a few Christmas miracles to brighten the holiday season. Would it be too much trouble to declare ketchup a vegetable? It will clear my conscience immensely. It would be helpful if you could coerce my children to help around the house without demanding payment as if they were the bosses of an organized crime family.
Well, Santa, the buzzer on the dryer is ringing and my son saw my feet under the laundry room door. I think he wants his crayon back.
Have a safe trip and remember to leave your wet boots by the door and come in and dry off so you don't catch cold.
Help yourself to cookies on the table but don't eat too many or leave crumbs on the carpet.
Yours Always, MOM...!
P.S. One more thing...you can cancel all my reques ts if you can keep my children young enough to believe in Santa.
AMEN to that
Dear Santa:
Dear Santa:
I rarely ask for much. This year is no exception. I don't need diamond earrings, handy slicer-dicers or comfy slippers. I only want one little thing, and I want it deeply.
I want to slap Martha Stewart. Now, hear me out, Santa. I won't scar her or draw blood or anything. Just one good smack, right across her smug little cheek. I get all cozy inside just thinking about it. Don't grant this wish just for me, do it for thousands of women across the country. Through sheer vicarious satisfaction, you'll be giving a gift to us all. Those of us leading average, garden variety lives aren't concerned with gracious living. We feel pretty good about ourselves if our paper plates match when we stack them on the counter, buffet-style for dinner. We're tired of Martha showing us how to make centerpieces from hollyhock dipped in 18-carat gold. We're plumb out of liquid gold. Unless it's of the furniture polish variety. We can't whip up Martha's creamy holiday sauce, spiced with turmeric. Most of us can't even say turmeric, let alone figure out what to do with it.
OK, Santa, maybe you think I'm being a little harsh. But I'll bet with all the holiday rush you didn't catch that interview with Martha in last week's USA Weekend. I'm surprised there was enough room on the page for her ego. We discovered that not only does Martha avoid take-out pizza (she's only ordered it once), she refuses to eat it cold (No cold pizza? Is Martha Stewart living?) When it was pointed out that she could microwave it, she replied, "I don't have a microwave." The reporter, Jeffrey Zaslow, noted that she said this "in a tone that suggests you shouldn't either." Well, lah-dee-dah. Imagine that, Santa! That lovely microwave you brought me years ago, in which I've learned to make complicated dishes like popcorn and hot chocolate, has been declared undesirable by Queen Martha. What next? The coffee maker? In the article, we learned that Martha has 40 sets of dishes adorning an entire wall in her home. Forty sets. Can you spell "overkill"? And neatly put away, no less. If my dishes make it to the dishwasher that qualifies as "put away" in my house! Martha tells us she's already making homemade holiday gifts for friends. "Last year, I made amazing silk-lined scarves for everyone," she boasts. Not just scarves mind you. Amazing scarves. Martha's obviously not shy about giving herself a little pat on the back. In fact, she does so with such frequency that one has to wonder if her back is black and blue. She goes on to tell us that "homemaking is glamour for the 90s," and says her most glamorous friends are "interested in stain removal, how to iron a monogram, and how to fold a towel." I have one piece of advice, Martha: "Get new friends." Glamorous friends fly to Paris on a whim. They drift past the Greek Islands on yachts, sipping champagne from crystal goblets. They step out for the evening in shimmering satin gowns, whisked away by tuxedoed chauffeurs. They do not spend their days pondering the finer art of toilet bowl sanitation. Zaslow notes that Martha was named one of America's 25 most influential people by Time magazine (nosing out Mother Theresa, Madeline Allbright and Maya Angelou, no doubt). The proof of Martha's influence: after she bought white-fleshed peaches in the supermarket, Martha says, "People saw me buy them. In an instant, they were all gone." I hope Martha never decides to jump off a bridge. A guest in Martha's home told Zaslow how Martha gets up early to rollerblade with her dogs to pick fresh wild blackberries for breakfast. This confirms what I've suspected about Martha all along: She's obviously got too much time on her hands. Teaching the dogs to rollerblade. What a show off. If you think the dogs are spoiled, listen to how Martha treats her friends: She gave one friend all 272 books from the Knopf Everyman Library. It didn't cost much. Pocket change, really.
Was it Santa? or the excitement
to all the wonderful gifts? I agree with the above poster. I feel it is unnecessary to lie to the children and set them up for such pain. To hear a parent say "I had to tell her the truth" is jarring when she is speaking of her very own child.
santa...details...
this was during "reading". she read Rudolph to teh class. her choice. she brought it up. they read adn then they started asking questions, kids were disagreeing about it, arguing..and so she asked for a show of hands on the certain parts that she chose from teh story that " could happen" and "could never happen"...fact and fiction stuff. she totally started it.
Santa Clara, CA
Another city also in the Bay Area. I am about a half an hour from Santa Cruz (beach), beautiful weather, very temperate summers with cool evenings, and close enough to go to SF by car or train to explore the city.
Santa Fe, NM and Tucson, AZ....
Love NYC, Florida, Massachusetts, CT, NH, VT......too!!!
About Christmas and Santa
Do any of you feel weird about teaching your children there is a Santa Claus. My parents did not teach us that, but when I had kids, I did (because it just seemed like it would be more fun for them). When they found out it wasn't real, they were pretty upset.
Now, that I am older, I think it is kind of an odd thing to do. It doesn't really seem like it's a good thing for children to realize their parents (who are the most trusted and influential people in children's lives) lied to them ... even if it was in the name of fun and excitment.
What are your thoughts on this? Most children totally believe it (when taught) ... just as children tend to believe whatever religious version they are taught. 
About Jesus, God, and Santa
If you truly believe in God, I am wondering if you feel your children will lose faith once they realize you have been spoofing about Santa. ?
I am santa claus
My parents ALWAYS (even when they knew we didn't believe anymore) were "santa" They would wait until we were asleep to put out the presents. It was SO fun. I remember being little and trying to stay up to see "him". We even once SWORE we saw reindeer hoof prints on our roof. My husband grew up TOTALLY different. His mom still to this day won't even buy wrapping paper with santa on it. So you know what I do? I buy him extra presents and put them under the tree when HE is asleep.
I think it is all just fun. I am not mad at my parents for tricking me. I had a great time with it. And I hope my kids do too.
Bah humbug on Santa? No way!
When kids get on the school bus or talk in the cafeteria, what would happen? Perhaps group mentality which we learn in Psych 4, is what you are thinking, but what about going along to get along? For Pete's sake, don't "p" double ee on their parade. Kids know - they believe in a Sants, i.e., St. Nick, i.e., blue and white stuff for 8 days for the Jewish kids. So what -- for goodness sake, let the kid ge a kid! Play - toys - Chris Kringle - whatever! Don't try to get your kid to be in MENSA, just for the sake of being "above" it all. Get real! Don't be an elitist just to be right. I am all for kids believing there is something else besides doom and gloom. Let them be happy, enough bad news, already. What are you going to gain except self-rightousiness and being above the rest. No kid is going to be angry that they got a gift from "Santa". He is not Satan - he is S A N T A. Got your letters crossed.
there's nothing more magical than being Santa when
the little one goes to sleep -- arranging all the presents, filling the stocking, taking that one bite out of the cookie, and, of course, leaving him a note from Santa saying how he's always on the nice list. just magical. i'm here all alone and it always brings tears to my eyes creating this magical experience for him.
When did you stop believing is Santa?
When did you stop believing is Santa?
If you have kids old enough, when did they stop believing?
How did you/your kids find out?
How did you/they react to the truth?
If kids don't find out on their own, what age do you think they should be told?
I think as Christians we can use Santa Claus
As a witness if we want to. I feel that Santa is a fun part of Christmas but of course we should not forget the REAL reason for the season. We can give to others to show the love of Christ, Him giving His life for us. It is all about how you look at it and show it to others. God Bless you all and have a Blessed Christmas :)
P.S. A very good way to witness is through WorldVision. They have a wonderful gift catalog that I used for Christmas presents. You can purchase a wheelchair for a child in another country, childcare for orphans, etc.
Santa Rosa, California
Back in the mid to late 80's - I don't know what it's like now.
Picture this: vineyards, apple orchards, redwood forests, ocean 15 minutes away, average temperature 70-75 degrees year round.........oh, I miss it!!!
Oh darn, Bear just ate Santa
right off the tree. I'm not actually a big fan of Santa decorations, but this was one of a set of cute homemade-looking, brightly painted flat ornaments that looked like they were made from bread dough or something. I don't know exactly what they were made of, but it doesn't look like he swallowed much. He's such a puppy.
Awww...Santa's Helper!
He is so cute! I love dogs!
Can I tell you how good santa (or should I say God) was to me this year? sm
I received many gift cards and gifts. I received the gift of unconditional love from my children. I received the gift of friendship this year from my best friend who cries when I cry and will keep my secrets with her until the day she dies. My mom is in my life now and is spoiling me ROTTEN. She came into some money and has used a lot of it on my family - making up for lost time as we did not get along well while I was growing up and then I moved away.
All of these are great, great gifts. I was also given the gift of health. I was the worried mom from a few weeks ago who was asking about abnormal mammograms and lumps. I am 33 years old. Today, I nervously received a digital mammography (my first digital one). My doctor went ahead and scheduled me for an ultrasound too this time (I've had both already). After the mammogram this morning I was waiting to head to ultrasound when the tech came in and said the films look great and no need for ultrasound. God is soo good. Of course, she said my doc will receive the formal report in about a week, but still. Isn't that awesome news?
The most ironic thing about all of this? I am not deserving of any of it. None of it. I know there are so many others who are in such pain this year and for that I am truly, truly sorry. May you find peace, health, happiness, and a close relationship with God this year. I look forward to the coming year. If you don't have God or find Him, may you have love in abundance this year. All of you.
Bear ate Santa off the tree...now he's...sm
eaten/torn up the ottoman? He probably does miss you a lot Misha....It's a long day without mommy.  Cat
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus....sm
Santa Claus as we know him today has changed through the times, but his good will toward children has not changed.
This is a great link to tell you of that history!
Santa reality sets in sm
Think it's harder for the adults to accept than the parents, but kids love to squeeze the last they can out of Dear Old Santa. They know but will go along to get along. I would just play the same game by telling them you know someone who had a kid who spoiled Christmas for little kids by telling them there was no Santa. "What do you think of that?" They know, just have to work it out with them.
Gidget Santa Barbara nm
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To mom upset over Santa revelation...did you confront her?
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Need secret Santa ideas for male.....
My husband needs some secret Santa ideas for under $2 for a new male teacher. He really does not know very well. As an emergeny I sent a bag of homemade cookies the first day. Any neat unique ideas?
If you tell your kids that Santa Claus is real
I don't have children but I have a friend who has children and she told my sister never to lie to her children (my niece & nephew are 5 mos. old) "it's the worse thing you can do" "if they find out you lied there will be consequences" and other remarks like that.
We were talking the other day and without even thinking we were talking about how Uncle Joey usually dresses as Santa but this year we might want to ask his son to take over and our friends child heard our discussion.
Well, she got so mad because we were insensitive to her daughter and "we don't discuss such things in front of the children"
Come to find out that her kids all think Santa is real. The oldest is 17, well, I'm sure he probably figured it out by now BUT she does not know that
So I wondered if she is lying to her children by telling them santa claus is real?
It is NOT the teachers place to tell a child that Santa doesn't
yeah I just might sue as well!
Letting a child about Santa isn't lying, sheesh
Telling about Santa isn't lying, it's a rite of childhood for millions of kids, as is the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. I see no harm in giving my children hope in something so good as Santa. I don't remember being crushed as a child when I found out about Santa, I only remember the joy of waking up on Christmas morning to a full stocking and the anticipation of waiting for the big guy. We were so poor that I don't know how we ever had a Christmas but somehow there were always gifts from Santa, to me that's what he's about, not lying but believing.
People take really strange things far too literally, takes the fun out of the simple things in my opinion.
See link inside - History of Santa Claus
The origins of Santa Claus/Saint Nicholas. See link below. A real person long ago.
To Heck With Ole Santa Clause - Loretta Lynn
Ay-Ay-Ay it's Christmas and I don't know what to do -- Ay-ay-ay It's Christmas and I don't have a gift for you. My kids especially love it! They sing it to me and in response I sing to them "I'm Getting Nothing for Christmas" -- except changed to "You're Getting Nothing for Christmas."
would any of you have a prob if your childs teacher told the truth about santa?
3rd grade class.
Thinking more of actual themed items, not sparkly in particular. Santa,
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Santa Cruz, CA. Fifty bucks got me 3/4 tank in my 4 Runner @ 3.93/gallon. Plus... sm
There is a $50 limit at the gas pumps for credit cards... so could not fill it all the way up! That's kinda lame... (I get cash rebate so using that for gas always). My 4Runner is not too bad on a gas for a truck... not like a Honda though. But at least my dog can hang is head out the rear window!
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Written by Francis Church in 1897 in response to 8 yo Virginia's question if Santa was real. You
VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except [what] they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measure by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! How dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
You tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest man that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. No Santa Claus! Thank GOD! He lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.
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Wow! First of all have to give you compliments on stating your opinion as I figure you knew you would get nailed. I am also one that is a firm believer of kids have the ability to learn, sometimes through tough love and sometimes through every day simple life. Although I would disagree with you about the "coat incident" I still can relate to you on trying to teach kids to take care of your things, etc. I love my kids dearly, but I know at any moment I could be taken from this earth and I want them to be as prepared as they can be at 8 and 9. I don't expect perfection, but when they do "screw up" I make sure they definitely know it (and remember it). I think most people now do not appreciate children the way we do. They are very intelligent if you give them the opporunity to be. They deserve respect just as adults do (when they earn it.... just like adults). We have to teach them to be adults and it has to start somewhere. Again, I don't completely agree with you, but overall I understand what you are saying. Please ignore any misspelling in my post... I am using my husband's keyboard, which is "stiff as a board!)
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I believe homosexuality is a sin, but I also believe that sexual preferences should be personal and private. I would not refuse to shop at a store because a clerk was gay, but frankly, that is something that I shouldn't even know about a stranger. A person's sexual behavior should be totally private.
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I paid my balance off in full, received a finance charge statement of about $42. I called the credit card, and said I do not understand - I paid the balance in full, what is this charge for. Act like you need them to help you understand. They adjusted my account and took that finance charge off and said I will receive a statement of the adjustment and my balance is now 0.
It really all depends on how you handle it and in what way you speak to them. Try it that way and see if they will adjust it off.
Good luck!
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I just had my ovary removed due to a cyst and surgery went well, I did well postop and was relieved that it was over. However, just found out that the pathology report showed carcinoma and now I have to have a total hysterectomy and staging workup. Anyone been through this that can offer some comfort in what to expect? Thanks.
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Thank you for your suggestions. At least you give me suggestions other than telling me to seek therapy or bariatric surgery, which I would never consider anyway. I get defensive when I feel attacked for my opinions, thus the *anger* in my previous posts. I DID read your post thoroughly and I did note that you used to have a weight problem, as well. Anon upset me, and I guess I took it out on you. I apologize.
I will put in to use some of your suggestions, but just so you know, my one meal a day does not include snacking, either. I am busy working most of the day, have a lot to do, and the time just slips away before I realize I am hungry, which is generally around 3 in the afternoon. I may have a cup of coffee or tea in the morning, and sometimes water, but that is all. Some will find fault with that, as well, I am sure, but that's the truth. Again, thanks for your input. At least you are more pleasant about it all.
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Your symptoms sound similar to carpal tunnel, but it may be something else, too. If I may suggest seeing a neurologist? It sounds more like a nerve problem to me and it does not necessarily have to be in your hands or wrists. EMG nerve conduction studies on your hands may be negative, but I have done dictations from doctors who have patients with carpal tunnel with false EMGs and the docs call them false positives, meaning the patient actually has carpal tunnel, but the studies were not definitive for that. As the other poster suggested, it may also be neck related. Just get a second opinion from a different doctor, and be insistent on what YOU want checked. Some doctors are resistant to patient requests, so you have to stand up for yourself. good luck.
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When my 17 year old calico passed away a few months ago, I was with her, as well as my 20 y/o son, and it was very hard for us both to watch. My son couldn't stop crying...she was part of his entire life. We still have the 16 year old male with us, Oscar, who misses her very much. They always stayed in close proximity to one another...even though they still gave each other glaring looks at mealtime. He just hangs onto us all the time and it's hard to work because he insist on laying on my desk, in my lap, knocking everything off. He has never done this before. She always laid at my feet and talked to me and he laid up high. It's sad because he can't understand what's happened. She was his long-time partner.
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I would be careful...I am facing court for just this right now, due to old debt that I started accruing, due to being quite desperate and broke, after my bankruptcy was filed. I can file again but probably won't and don't want to, but still have to deal with the courts, this week actually. can't wait. bankruptcy is not the end of the world. you can get a credit card again and you can work on your credit. It stays on your credit report for ten years. how long will it take you to pay off that debt???
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