i beg to differ. I wish i had freedom FROM religion
Posted By: instead on 2008-04-29
In Reply to: Haven't you heard? Freedom of religion isn't for...SM - ChristianMT
I get treated by a leper because I am athiest.
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Haven't you heard? Freedom of religion isn't for...SM
Christians. It's for everyone else. Sure a Muslim can pray in this country anytime they want, heck you can worship satan himself or practice witchcraft, but a be a Christian and actually admit you are one, let alone pray or read your Bible in public... come on, are you serious? You know every Christian has a secret agenda. We're just proselytizing little brainwashed fools. We're not just praying quietly to ourselves -- we are praying God will send a lightening bolt and strike all the unbelievers. We Christians aren't just placing our Bibles on our desks to read during our breaks -- we HOPE to beat someone over the head with it at some point during the day.
Freedom of religion has been twisted by the liberal spin doctors. It only applies to to those who think like them.... ironic isn't it?
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." -- Lenny Bruce
That's what I LOVE about America. Freedom of Religion, speech, etc. But sm
I have to say, if you are an atheist (I am a Christian, BTW), where is your moral "compass" (sorry for the pun) I was an atheist for many, many years (3/4 of my life spent without God or religion). In that time I was: Suicidal, desperate, a liar, a phony, had no direction in life, a slander and just about everything else worldly you could think of. I was selfish..must I go on?
Then, when I hit rock bottom I had no where to look but up. He was there (God). He placed me upon a rock and I've never looked back or down since. I can honestly say I no longer lie or think bad thoughts about other people. I have a clear direction for my life. I do follow Biblical principles and obey His laws. I have a moral compass and a value system I am so proud of. As an atheist there was no right or wrong in my life. Since I didn't fear God I did basically whatever I felt was good or right, even believe in abortion. I am being totally transparent with you, from one ex-atheist to another atheist.
How do you explain a radical life change such as myself? Where do you draw your line of morality from? God says abortion is wrong and so it's wrong. God says a gay lifestyle is an abomination, and so it is. Don't get mad at me, It's in His Word. He said it. Not me.
Anyways, I think that there is much to be said about living a good Christian lifestyle and following its beliefs. My life is in clear order now instead of chaos. I have a life-long goal - to make it to heaven and take those whom I love with me.
What a sad, sad life I led before God. Wow. Like the old saying goes, "I never want to go back to my old life." Good luck to you.
Freedom first and most important
My husband has only danced with me ONCE during our entire (more than two-decade) marriage and that was under extreme pressure from his buddies (we were out with a group of friends, mostly couples).
I lost my identity for a long time but after YEARS of marriage I am starting to get it back. Baby steps, but little by little...
Freedom of Speech--What has happened to it? sm
According to the first amendment of our constitution, everyone has the right to speak freely. This was a *personal* blog and not on school property. As mentioned before, could perhaps speak to the parents and let the parents decide punishment, but I do not believe the school should have the right to suspend a child for voicing his/her *opinion*. If the child said that to the teacher's face, that would be different. A blog is really no different than writing a diary or perhaps even a book. Just because it is on line and available for everyone to see, does not change her right to say what she said. It is just an opinion and everybody is entitled to one. I would be more upset with the person who printed it out and showed it to the school teacher. Who made that person a *blod monitor*??? just my opinion -- entitled to it, just like every one else.
LOVE the freedom from other humans, but
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the world isn't losing freedom of speech...
Just the Christians! Talk about anything except God, Jesus, Church, etc., and we're gonna pay and pay dearly for it, I am afraid! 
My freedom what I dinna realise was quite so nice until later.
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You misinterpret what freedom of speech means.
It means you are free to speak against the government on public property without fear of retribution.
You don't have a right to slam others and a blog is on private intellectual property, and probably not even that girl's own private website.
You can have your own opinions but you don't have a right to just throw them about carelessly and harm the reputation of others.
Puhleez, everyone has freedom except for Christian, white, heterosexuals.
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A shame this place is so catty. But that is freedom of speech for you.
People come here to be supported, but need to realize there are all kinds of opinions out there. When you place yourself on a public forum to be supported expect to be bashed. That is the way of the world unfortunately. Just learn to try to see who wants to help and who wants to hurt. All kinds of agendas here. Your instincts will tell you who is real and who are the trolls. To all who are well-meaning here and look for support,or provide constructive criticism hang in there. Just filter out the bad and take away from it what you will.
but I differ on some (sm)
Brad is getting on my nerves following Victoria around. He should get with Sharon and be done with it. I love Nick and Phyllis together (especiallly Nick with a beard - now that's HOT). Victoria and JT I like together. Jack and who knows who? I like Lily and Daniel together. Couldn't stand Dru. I hope she NEVER comes back. Yes, it's always good to have someone to chat with and figure out what's going to happen. - LOL
Ok, this is where we differ
I moved into my new home in 2004, at my previous one had been on the budget bill for electricity like you. I was told if I wanted the budget for this home, I would have to accept the old homeowners budget bill moving out- or else pay for 12 month straight before I could get on my own budget. Mind you, same company, just 30 miles down the road some. The woman said this was a different home from mine and I said yeh, and different family. Long story short- the previous owners were paying in excess of 200-300$ per month. I just had my bill reduced once again from 80 (wound up with credit paying that each month) and for the next 12 months $76.00. I tried to tell her- different family!! I would never accept their price because knew I did not use that much.
I beg to differ on this (sm)
My mom was in a health care plan supposedly run by doctors. Well, they would NOT cover a hospitalization or doctor because,even though I had prior consent to use this hospital and doctor ahead of time, they refused to pay the bill! I had to beg the doctor to release her ahead of time as Mom did not have that kind of money to pay out only living on $500 a month. 
I took them through the appeal process and did win. They had to pay...but found out,in talking to others, that they were even worse than a regular insurance company! I dropped that insurance fast and got her signed up with regular insurance!!! No more headaches. 
Beg to differ
First of all, this forum is called GAB - it means we express our opinions. SO, stay off this board and keep your judgments to yourself. Your're judging us just as you're complaining about how we are judging the Spears kid.
Secondly, this does concern all us. Not only because it affects the young people in our lives, who will be talking about this among themselves, but also because this 16-year-old child Jamie Lynn is having a baby who will be going to school and living in this country. So, that child will indeed be affecting my tax dollars. I may not pay for the delivery of the kid, but everything that impacts that child's life is paid for by our tax dollars.
You would have to an @diot to be happy about this kid having a kid. There is nothing nice to say about it unless you just have no clue.
I beg to differ . . .
nobody's trying to shove any agenda down anyone's throat. Just because you personally don't like homosexuals, doesn't mean they don't deserve the same rights as anyone else. Otherwise, we would still have slaves and women would still be considered inferior beings!!
I beg to differ
I have met quite a nasty handful of man hating mothers lately who have raised a bunch of foul mouthed daughters who hate men. My son deserves better!
I beg to differ.....going by who she hangs around with.
Jay-Z attended George Westinghouse High School in Downtown Brooklyn and Trenton Central High School in Trenton, New Jersey but did not graduate. He claims to have been caught up in selling drugs, which he refers to in his music.
Jay-Z was accused of stabbing record executive Lance "Un" Riviera for what he perceived was Riviera's bootlegging of Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter. The stabbing allegedly occurred at the record release party for Q-Tip's debut solo album Amplified at the Kit Kat Klub, a now defunct night club in Times Square, New York City, on December 9, 1999.
Jay-Z's associates at the party were accused of causing a commotion within the club, which Jay-Z allegedly used as cover when he supposedly stabbed Riviera in the stomach with a five-inch blade.
Nice role model, huh?
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I beg to differ - Carpetbagger ! sm
New York State does NOT bring you Hillary Clinton! She is, was and always will be a carpetbagger - the only reason she came here was to set herself up to run for President! She swore back then she would not do that. See how honest she is? I'm ashamed of anyone who voted her into office!
I differ in my opinions - sm
Everyone has limitations and personal problems, including those with high IQ. When we examine those on the other end of the scale, the mentally challenged, many of them seem very happy, and easily contented with the simple things in life. Its because they are able to concentrate on that one thing and enjoy it. Often the rest of us are too distracted by what's going on in our head to enjoy the here and now. The smarter one is, the more easily they can identify what is wrong with a situation, so perhaps the more problems they see the more they tend to be distracted by worries, etc. and cannot enjoy the simple things in life.
Alcoholism? The tendency to that type of escapism is inheritable. Wise people that know it runs in their family will never indulge at all. But smart doesn't necessarily equal wise. In fact, smart often leads to arrogance, which leads to risk taking. You can also wonder how smart people can smoke, gamble, vote the way they do, whatever. These behaviors may be unwise, but they don't make them any less smart (except when the activity actually kills their brain cells). Guess what my ex said to me - "I have so many more brain cells than most people, I can afford to kill half of them off and STILL be smarter than you". Gee, I wonder why I divorced him...
I knew a brilliant guy (not my ex) that I posed your question regarding self-destruction. He claimed it was his brain, and his right to waste it, or not, as he saw fit. I suppose it will be between him and his maker to discuss whether or not it is a sin to do so. I don't think anyone blamed his mother. Nobody blames my ex's mother (indeed she has tried very hard to make him see the error of his ways). They lose the respect of people that had high hopes for them, yes, the definitely do. Their future looks really dismal. But they can still run rings around us in calculus, even three-sheets-to-the-wind. Aggravating as heck, but oh well,
I am one that believes that if a person wants to trash their life, its between them and God. But as I told my ex, when judgement day comes, he'll have some explaining to do, and I wouldn't want to be his his shoes.
Begging to differ. sm
If I had Michelle's figure, the world wouldn't be ready for me! I've been short, stocky and usually overweight from day one, and even at my age, I'd love to have a figure like that! :D :D
I think different states may differ in rules...
but the answer was yes in my case. He "quit claim" deeded the house to me, but the mortgage was still in both names. No way is a bank or mortgage company going to let one off the hook in case the other defaults.
Hope this helps.
I beg to differ; NOT just the *rich and famous*..sm
this problem crosses every socioeconomical level.........it's not just involving the rich and famous.........
I beg to differ -- Our menstrual cycles
are designed to repeat approximately every 28 days, therefore allowing us the opportunity to avoid pregnancy or seek it. Of course, I know not everyone is regular enough to rely on the rhythm method, but it certainly seems that Mother Nature designed it that way on purpose. A little bit archaic though, I think, to say that we shouldn't be deciding whether we want children or not. Planned parenthood has been around for decades.
I beg to differ. Forgiveness, even Biblical terms, can
only genuinely happen AFTER the offender repents for having hurt/offended you. Forgive and forget is just a wimpy nonconfrontational thing. The only way one can feel true forgiveness is if the other party repents. One can make informed decisions and move on, but forgiveness is not one-sided, though it sounds all warm and fuzzy.
I beg to differ - chocolate tastes better than "skinny." LOL. NM
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Your idea of details and mine differ greatly.
Details would be a blow by blow. Simply stating I conceived my child 9 years ago on this night is not detailed. Saying I did or didn't have a BM today is not detailed giving you a play by play explanation of said BM would be detailed. We all have sex and we all have BM -- saying so isn't gross. Doing it in front of you would be gross. Showing home movies would be gross.
Yes, true, the daily lifestyle does not differ, but the nightly does,nm
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Tell them it is against your religion.
That has worked for me and have had some say, really? I just refuse, simple for me.
As far as I know, it sounds like her religion....
is Penecostal. I believe that the women in that religion wears skirts at all times. Jehovah's Witnesses do not wear skirts all the time, only when attending congregation meetings and when out in their ministry that they do.
I feel very sorry for the OP because it sounds like her & hubby are good friends to the couple. It is true that divorce hurts everyone....what's worse is that marriage can sometimes hurt everyone too.
In a case like this, it is better to just be supportive to both parties and try not to take sides, hopefully they will iron things out.
This is not religion, this is MYTH.
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No MT, no politics, no religion. Anything else is ok.
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I am not trying to be disrespectful but her religion- sm
is/was her business. If I was on my deathbed the last thing I would want do discuss with my relatives would be if I had accepted Jesus into my heart, etc. I really hate it that new "christians" feel it is there mission in life to "save" everybody and feel they have to convert everybody and save them from themselves. My dad has recently refound religion and it is causing lots of strife in our family which is very non-religious. No one wants to be with him because his is constantly nagging us to go to church with him, to convert, etc. He blamed it on my mom (who is dead) as the reason why he did not return to the church sooner - horsepucky as Colonel Potter would say-- once she died he was re-born 3 months later. I am not baptist, nor do I go to church, nor do my kids. They know about Jesus and God though, but I don't feel the need or desire to go to church every Sunday and hand them over 10% of our gross income which in our case would almost pay for a second house. You should not be worrying about your grandmother's salvation, worry about yourself and stop trying to save the world. I am sure she is where she wanted to be and her spirit will live on in your heart and memories.
That's the Muslim Religion
Haven't you seen or heard how they treat their women, especially with all the stuff happening in the Middle East now. They are the ruler of the family and the women must cow-tow [sic] to them.
IOW, women are second class citizens in their world just like it used to be in the U.S. before Susan B. Anthony and others. If you daughter wants to be independent, there is no way it will happen being married to him. I wouldn't even bother telling the parents since they are getting a divorce, BUT MAKE SURE you get a restraining order on him or else it may get very dangerous.
I don't mean to scare you, but please be careful.
woodchucks & religion
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could wood? Gotta smile....As for the posts about religion, let the Christians be.... It matters not whether you're Baptsit, Jewish, Budhist, Christian, Hindu, Catholic, AME Zion, 7th day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, atheists...There's a lot more people here in the US with diverse backgrounds and beliefs....That's what makes this country so great...freedom of speech and the freedom to practice the religion of your choice Lighten up.
This is too much! I was just over on the Religion board and sm
someone posted a link to Alan Jackson's How Great Thou Art. It was an amazing tribute. Then another slow song came on after that and I came over here while letting the music play in the background. I was doing fine until I read about the 10 y.o. getting fitted for dentures. I am bawling my eyes out over here! I have a sweet, precious, well-behaved 10 year old son. I can't imagine. I just can't. O God, help us.
I am not turning this to a religion argument- sm
I prefer not to have my child taught at a church school for personal reasons. The school they were attending squeezed in church teachings as it is, though they were not a church school, and I was not thrilled with that either. Some teachers did it more than others. As for find a teacher that "really cares" only being at a church affiliated school, that is quite a broad statement to make. At the private school my kids had been attending, the teaches were paid 25% less than what the teachers made at the public school level, which could mean 3 things, the teacher really cared and wanted a small class size to teach, (2) wanted kids that were less troublesome to teach and better behaved (3) the teacher was inadequate and could not get hired in a public school (which was the case for a few teachers where my kids were). ---There are a lot of angles to look at when considering private school religion is one of them, tuition, quality of the teachers, certification, the school board, the parent organization, the involvment expects --ours was extreme involvement which is good and bad (burnout)--I am much happier now with the kids in public school, and my 8-y/o is now actually being taught by a qualified computer teacher and not some old lady who knew nothing about computers or computer programs trying to make a few extra bucks having the kids make designs and pictures on the computer (they had a new computer teacher every year as they'd quit every year). There are pros and cons to every school, you got to find out what you want to deal with.
yep, religion and landowners.....I agree! sm
The Crusaders - yep, I remember it well. Also, I divorced a man who later on became born again and now we cannot have ONE conversation without him bringing that aspect of life into the convo.
Really bothers me too........geesh.
there are *weird psychos* in EVERY religion...
I so respect everyone's religion but I am appalled by religious fanatics...the ones who go wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overboard and I think misinpret Bibles.......taking things to the EXTREME.....
fanatics, extremists - nope, cannot deal with them....and shouldn't have to but I notice each religion has so many different levels and sects - it's almost like different religions within each separate religion....I get some of that....but not all of it....
*scratches head quizzically* because I'm a live and let live type of person and so it's difficult to understand why EVERYONE doesn't let everyone live and let live.....
Not the right term to use here. Amen against religion?nm
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I also know of one religion that helps out community
they actually pay back some in taxes to communities where there is a volunteer fire department, etc., precisely because they benefit from such services.
No, it is an inferance and any teaching of religion -sm
should be done by the parents. I had my kids in private school up until 2 years ago, took them out for several reasons, one being that many of the teachers were teaching about God and making them pray before every meal (snack and lunch). I was paying $12K a year for my kids not to be in a church school, as this was not a religious school (or at least not supposed to be). I could have sent them to many, many cheaper schools in the area but they were all church affiliated. Some of us don't want our kids to be taught by others. I explain all the different religions to my kids, but don't want some outsider to teach their beliefs to my child. It is not their business to teach religion, if they want to do that then become a minister and run a church.
But, shouldn't this be on the RELIGION Board?? nm
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Are you rejecting religion and the Bible or God?
I have problems myself with organized religion; however, I have personal proof of life after death, which leads me to believe in a Creator. Just curious about where you're coming from.
I know the catholic religion has guidelines
that my religion, Methodist, don't have as I have relatives that have converted so they can get married. I think in my cousin's case, he did not want to jump through all those hoops and was thinking about getting married by a methodist preacher. That priest told them that if they do that, but then his wife-to-be would loose her place in the church, meaning she could still go but she could not, participate in ceremonies, make decisions for the church etc., because she would not be considered married and living in sin.
Anyway, I think your dd and future SIL should get a 2nd opinion from another priest. But, you should remember too that this is their battle. If they are big enough to get married, they are big enough to fight their own battles. If they truly want to be married than they will and this is pretty much small potatoes.
Sounds like a conservative religion. Mennonite
perhaps? They are less conservative than Amish, but very conservative - skirts and meeting in homes being my only clues. But that said - normally any conservative "religion" also does not approve of divorce no matter what - save adultery. And I have heard that some conservative "reconstructionist" groups do not even support divorce under those circumstances either - sounds like the wife is playing some games. Very sad, and I'm sorry for you folks, too. Divorce hurts everyone.
take your bible thumping to the religion board.
Another good example of a CARNAL "Christian" calling people pathetic and nauseating, a fine example of "love thy neighbor as thyself." LOL
Didn't say you couldn't talk about religion
She just said to take it to the Christianity Boards and keep it off the Gab Board. I had no problem with it, but the we're not in charge, the modertor/adminstrator is.
Isn't it illegal to fire someone for observing their own religion? nm
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Also try reading about comparative religion and myth - sm
I recommend The Power of Myth (book and series of specials on PBS) with Joseph Campbell. Interesting stuff. The search for the meaning of life is world-wide and Christianity is certainly not the only belief system out there, nor organized religion in general for that matter!
Religion is not the only means to spirituality or vice versa (SM)
They certainly do exist together for many people, but they do exist exclusive of each other for others. An atheist can be the most spiritual person on the block over his or her religious peers. Spirituality is a concept that is different for each person. It is what makes a person feel they are at the right place at the right time, like they are at peace, or whatever someone decides for themself is their truth.
Think outside the box!
Yes, but Indian's from India are not Muslim. They are of the Hindu religion. sm
they also believe in reincarnation and not the Koran.
They do treat women as a much lower class, though.
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