i'm athiest and I agree. Christian holidays have been
Posted By: converted into consumerism events on 2008-08-23
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easter bunny, santa claus. It almost seems like businesses are exploiting your beliefs by pressuring you into buy bigger, buy more for your family than you did last year.
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I, too, am a Christian. I totally agree with some of what you
said; however, she is not putting her husband in an impossible situation. He CHOOSES to be in the impossible situation. The Bible plainly says that a man is to leave his father and mother and stick with his wife. He should be man enough to stand up to his family and tell them if his wife is not included he won't be there either. Of course, they ALL should work to resolve their differences. Somebody needs to get to the bottom of the matter. If the difference can't be resolved, though, he should stick with his wife. No, he shouldn't have to choose between his wife and his family, but sometimes that's just the way it is. If my husband was not welcome in the homes of my parents and my sisters, I wouldn't go either. When I married him, WE became a family first and foremost. 
I don't SAY I'm Christian, I AM Christian. It doesn't matter how many 'pages'
need to be ONE item and I wouldn't shop there. "...people, just like the rest of us...", "these types of attitudes..." hmmm...well, I stand by my convictions, it doesn't mean I'm judging anyone. It's my choice not to shop at stores that sell gay and lesbian related items. Say you're lesbian and your with your partner, and we bumped into each other in the mall, I wouldn't be disrespectful to you, but that doesn't mean that I agree with your lifestyle either.
Question for athiest
I am someone who has gone from being a Christian to not knowing what I believe anymore. I am searching for answers. Anytime that fact comes up ... people from both sides tell me I will not find any concrete answer. Maybe so, but there is an ultimate truth, and it would seem odd to me if I did not feel the need to give it my best shot to find it. - The most frustrating part is that most information seems to be coming from one slant or another. I just want neutral information. (I don't understand why everybody would not feel the same way, but I guess everyone coming from whatever angle feels that way about their own thinking as well).
To my point ... as an athiest, do you know of any good sources of information (especially neutral) that will help me in my quest?
I recently was givin some tapes by Kent Hovind (trying to prove the Bible is correct). I have not watched much (and I find him quite annoying), but he did bring a couple things to my attention I was not aware of (such as some planets spin the reverse direction); probably ignorant on my part, but I was not aware of that and will look into it further.
Anyway, I am so curious to find sound reasoning for both sides, but with the endless info out there, it's hard to sort it out.
Any tips?
Thanks. :)
athiest soldier doesn't believe in God but
I commend for this man for standing up for what he doesn't believe in!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352703,00.html
JUNCTION CITY, Kan. — Like hundreds of young men joining the Army in recent years, Jeremy Hall professes a desire to serve his country while it fights terrorism.
But the short and soft-spoken specialist is at the center of a legal controversy. He has filed a lawsuit alleging he's been harassed and his constitutional rights have been violated because he doesn't believe in God. The suit names Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
"I'm not in it for cash," Hall said. "I want no one else to go what I went through."
Known as "the atheist guy," Hall has been called immoral, a devil worshipper and — just as severe to some soldiers — gay, none of which, he says, is true. Hall even drove fellow soldiers to church in Iraq and paused while they prayed before meals.
"I see a name and rank and United States flag on their shoulder. That's what I believe everyone else should see," he said.
Hall, 23, was raised in a Protestant family in North Carolina and dropped out of school before earning his GED. It wasn't until after he joined the Army that he began questioning religion, eventually deciding he couldn't follow any faith.
But he feared how that would look to other soldiers.
"I was ashamed to say that I was an atheist," Hall said.
It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.
"I said, 'No, but I believe in Plexiglas,"' Hall said. "I've never believed I was going to a happy place. You get one life. When I die, I'm worm food."
The issue came to a head when, according to Hall, a superior officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, threatened to bring charges against him for trying to hold a meeting of atheists in Iraq. Welborn has denied Hall's allegations.
Hall said he had had enough but feared he wouldn't get support from Welborn's superiors. He turned to Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
Weinstein is the foundation's president and a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate. He had previously sued the Air Force for acts he said illegally imposed Christianity on students at the academy, though that case was dismissed. He calls Hall a hero.
"The average American doesn't have enough intestinal fortitude to tell someone to shut up if they are talking in a movie theater," Weinstein said. "You know how hard it is to take on your chain of command? This isn't the shift manager at KFC."
Hall was in Qatar when the lawsuit was filed on Sept. 18 in federal court in Kansas City, Kan. Other soldiers learned of it and he feared for his own safety. Once, Hall said, a group of soldiers followed him, harassing him, but no one did anything to make it stop.
The Army told him it couldn't protect him and sent him back to Fort Riley. He resumed duties with a military police battalion. He believes his promotion to sergeant has been blocked because of his lawsuit, but he is a team leader responsible for two junior enlisted soldiers.
No one with Fort Riley, the Army or Defense Department would comment about Hall or the lawsuit. Each issued statements saying that discrimination will not be tolerated regardless of race, religion or gender.
"The Department respects (and supports by its policy) the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs," said Eileen Lainez, a spokeswoman for the Department of Defense.
All three organizations said existing systems help soldiers "address and resolve any perceived unfair treatment."
Lt. Col. David Shurtleff, a Fort Riley chaplain, declined to discuss Hall's case but said chaplains accommodate all faiths as best they can. In most cases, religious issues can be worked out without jeopardizing military operations.
"When you're in Afghanistan and an IED blows up a Humvee, they aren't asking about a wounded soldier's faith," Shurtleff said.
Hall said he enjoys being a team leader but has been told that having faith would make him a better leader.
"I will take care of my soldiers. Nowhere does it say I have to pray with my soldiers, but I do have to make sure my soldiers' religious needs are met," he said.
"Religion brings comfort to a lot of people," he said. "Personally, I don't want it or need it. But I'm not going to get down on anybody else for it."
Hall leaves the Army in April 2009. He would like to find work with the National Park Service or Environmental Protection Agency, anything outdoors.
"I hope this doesn't define me," Hall said of his lawsuit. "It's just about time somebody said something."
Nice to see a fellow athiest aboard!
:)
as an athiest i "celebrate" because of commercial aspects
with Jesus anymore! Every religious holiday has become commercialed.
Probably a lot of MTs do that who are alone on the holidays. sm
I live alone, but am not alone, and celebrate with my family. I just get in a few hours before light is up. And maybe some later on in the evening. It works out fine. 24 hours in a day, after all.
As far as holidays go
I don't have a problem with kids being taught about different beliefs, but don't take down Christmas decorations, just add some for the other religions. Before I get blasted - this is way I feel this way:
When I was in elementary school, my best friend was Jewish. At Christmas, when she didn't participate in gift-giving, etc., it was awful for her. The kids used to tell me "don't play with her, she's weird". And when we were all singing Christmas carols, she would be in the corner doing her own thing. How awful that must've been for her!!! I don't see why my teacher shouldn't have been able to let my friend tell everyone about how she celebrates. Again, I know some don't agree, but my little friend's face when she was left out is forever burned into my memory!
Holidays
My family is spread across three different states so it is very rare that we get together for the holidays. Most holidays are spent with my husband's family which is absolutely fine because they are wonderful people who make each and every holiday a special one.
Honestly, this year, I am not worried about spend, spend, spend so much as being grateful for what we have this year as 2008 has brought a lot of lessons and blessings into our lives. I will be making homemade gifts for family vs. buying expensive presents. It is the thought that counts after all.
Holidays
I too am dreading the holidays this year, especially Thanksgiving. My son committed suicide last year the Sunday after Thanksgiving. I want to do something different this year than last. My mom wants to go out to eat and my boyfriend wants to cook at home. I can never make them both happy. Christmas will be a challenge too as my boyfriend is laid off. Luckily, my family is small so there aren't a lot of gifts to buy.
working holidays.
I am working Thanksgiving, schedule just fell that way. As far as Christmas goes, I'm am also scheduled to work, didn't request it off, but I work 3rd shift. I did request to work Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve to have a couple of days off for my brother's wedding that is 12/30. Working holidays doesn't bother me too much since I'm 3rd shift, but I could see how it would be a pain for those who are required to work and work days or 2nd.
working holidays
I'm right there with ya! Love that holiday pay! lol
Sadness at the holidays sm
Hi, tried E-mailing you but they would not accept it. I have had horrible Christmas stories such as yours, with parents, a younger sister dying and a dear pet who got killed on New Years Eve. One New Years my husband was in a horrible accident and I had to care for him at home in a hospital bed, then 2 mos. later my trusted surgeon diagnosed me with breast cancer. I am not a born again (although there's nothing wrong with that) but I do believe in prayer and that when you're this low only a higher power or spirituality can get you out of it. You can't do it alone. Just venting on the board should help you. Just know that others have walked in your shoes and relate to you and hopefully are praying for you as they read your post. Believe me, although all looks pretty bleak right now, you will come out of this and things will get better. My thoughts and prayers are with you this day. I had a horrible day yesterday. One of my DIL's has been giving me a hard time for 20 years and she did it again to me and is coming tonight. I went to church alone last evening and prayed for the grace to get through this evening. I lit a candle and prayed to St. Jude (the patron St. of the impossible, I believe). I am not angry anymore and I know I can face her with dignity and strength, no matter what else she does to me. She's a bully and I feel sorry for her, that she can't see how bad she is. I know I'm going to be okay. Your situation is different, I know, I lost my younger sister to cancer, the Christmas was awful knowing she was dying. My Dad also was on Hospice at Christmas and my whole family was fighting. But I'm here this morning writing to you and praying that you will find the strength to get through it all. "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and that's the truth! All my best, and a prayer from my lips to God's ears for you, your family and your pet (I love animals)! God bless you. Still kicking and well - 6 years out, docs scratching their heads - ? misdiagnosed).  There is something greater than ourselves out there - just ask for strength - you'll get it, you'll see!
Man-made holidays...
but you are all so quick to forget that the Bible from which you quote from was in fact man made as well.
And if we are to only quote by the Bible as to what rules to follow to get into Heaven, you exclude a ton of other religions who believe they will get into Heaven or where ever based upon their man-made books as well!
Is the Bible the only true verse? If so, then Christians are the ONLY true believers and will be the only ones to get into Heaven. Bull...
Like I always said though, whatever floats your boat.
Me personally, I do not want anyone in my room preaching to me on my death bed unless I personally asked them to do so.
You mean the glitz is only for the holidays?
Gosh, I have sweaters and blouses I wear some of them year round and they have the bling aspect. I love it.
celebrate the holidays!
You are a very mature, thoughtful person. Just enjoy the holidays and if he is as mature as you are, it should not matter. Go celebrate!
For holidays in my family-
My family, which consists of two brothers, two sisters, many nieces and nephews who are all married and have children and my son, daughter-in-law and granddaughter, started several years ago having our Thanksgivng and Christmas holidays on the Saturday before the actual holiday. That way, they can all stay for the day and then spend the actual holiday with the other side of the family. It works out really well. We really enjoy having everyone stay for the day and they don't have to run around on the holiday either.
My husband's family is another story, ugh! We are expected to be there on Thanksgiving day at noon, Christmas eve at 6:00 p.m. for an immediate family Christmas and then Christmas Day with the entire family. In addition, I always work Thanksgiving and Christmas. It makes for an exciting couple of days. They won't change anything...it's family tradition. Whatever!
Good luck with your plans.
upcoming holidays
Does anyone get stressed out and/or depressed during the holidays? I am already starting to feel down because of finances and the stress Christmas puts on us to spend spend spend, and also just family issues. I never had a Hallmark family, that's for sure. The whole thing is kind of depressing to me.
Holidays - Bah humbug!
I have nice holiday memories. My mom was not the Martha Stewart type but they were filled with lots of food, friends, and family. Very happy times. This will be the first year that I cannot go home for the holidays. We will still spend it with my husband's family but it is not the same for me.
I am also stressing about the holidays because his family is all about the presents and I grew up differently. His family says they are cutting back this year but I wonder what that means. To them, it is probably only $500 per person. I know its the thought that counts and you should only do what you can but I still feel bad and guilty if we cannot do for everyone else. I have suggested putting a limit or drawing names or making gifts to exchange but they look at me like I speak a foreign language.
This is the first year my husband and I will not exchange gifts for each other and our son won't get much either. To top off the financial crisis facing the entire nation, we are also expecting a child in the very early spring so that has added to our expenses and dipping into our savings.
For me this winter came very quickly as well which does not help. I haven't had time to ease into my least favorite season. It's been so gloomy the last few weeks I am glad that I don't have to leave the house to work but know I should leave the house occasionally to feel better. I just want to be a scrooge right now. Soon enough I'll have to put on the happy thanksgiving face to spend the afternoon with my in-laws while missing my family.
Birthdays with holidays.
Sometimes I like that the birthdays are around the holidays because then I can buy extra stuff and look at it all and decide how to split it up between the 2. Other times, like this year, we don't have much $ so I would really prefer them to be separated more but can choose that one!
My husband normally leaves the lights on all night. Turn on when he gets home from work and off in the morning...not this year. I think its reasonable to just do a few hours each evening. I don't think we'll put up as many as we normally do either. Usually we line all the windows, roof, bushes, etc. Probably keep it simple this year.
Holidays are hard
My parents were divorced so my sister and I spent many years shuffling between two houses. When we each got married and had our own families the situation got even more complex. My parents are now deceased and my sister and I are estranged (even though we live in the same town), so in some ways life has gotten simpler. I still get very emotional and depressed around the holidays because of my dysfunctional childhood and negative expectations, but I don't have as much guilt and stress anymore.
My husband's parents and family are back in our hometown 600 miles away, and for the last few years he's gone back there for Thanksgiving and/or Christmas with our youngest child. I don't begrudge him that because his folks are elderly and I don't want him to have any regrets later. I can't go with him because we have a lot of animals to take care of, and frankly, I'm really comfortable just hanging out at home with them anyway. We have adult kids too, and two grandchildren, and I encourage all of them to live their lives without the burden of guilt and feelings of obligation. If they can come by and have dinner or visit that's great, and if not BIG DEAL. Honestly, it's just a day. Things got easier for us when we realized we didn't necessarily have to celebrate a holiday on the exact day it was scheduled.
I really understand your not wanting to let your mom down, and I would feel the same way. Your husband is a big boy and has made a choice, so that's on him, not you. He's probably being a bit immature and stubborn on this one. I hope you'll extend the invitation to your husband one more time, then go to your mom's and enjoy yourself whether he comes along or not.
Did you go into debt over the holidays?
C'mon, fess up!
Did you use credit to buy things for the holidays, or did you pay in cash?
I'm happy to report that for the 13th year, we paid in cash.
We clerical help to them. Yes I work holidays, sm
because I enjoy and count on the holiday pay. But I NEVER make the mistake of thinking that I am really a part of patient care, or my immediate turn around of a document is that important. It is important to the bottom line of the company, but not to patient care. There is absolutely nothing I produce, even in producing documentation of trauma or critical care, that has anything more to do with anything other than company profits. I come to believe this when I get reports, simple discharge summares, on patient who were discharged months ago, and the doctors mark it as a "Stat". LOL. ok. If you think you are that important, then you have been conned.
I never work on major holidays...
because I work for a small company that closes for all major holidays. I've been with them for almost 2 years now and they are definitely one of the best! They even send me a Christmas gift every year! I would never sign up to work for a company that was open on holidays, as I have no desire to work on holidays.
Since when do men deal with all the details of holidays and
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With the holidays fast approaching...
I am wondering how your kids found out about Santa. My son has never led us to believe he doesn't believe, although we have wondered since he is in middle school now. I found out that he told a young cousin about the truths of Santa, E. Bunny, etc. My husband and I feel like we should approach him about this, not with the intent of being in trouble, but just to let him know that he shouldn't spoil it for the younger kids. Under the circumstances, I think he said it to be spiteful because he didn't want to go to bed for the tooth fairy to come.
I know as a child I was afraid that the holidays would cease to exist if they found out that I (the youngest) knew the truth. It was my older sibling who finally talked me into spilling the beans so no one had to get up early in the morning. I wonder if it may be a similar circumstance. Normally he is very open and honest with us and asks questions and discusses things that most other kids would find embarrasing, etc. He is a very good kid and I was very surprised to find out that he did this.
Not only around Christmas but other holidays as well. Things that can't be explained any other w
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Nah - it's not you. Many people are "crabby" and unpleasant around the holidays!
Just think, you probably put a smile on their face when they opened that card. Just because they don't smile at you, does not mean you did not touch them in some meaningful way.
Feel good about yourself, you did a great thing.
Some people find the holiday season very difficult to get through, either depressed, loss of a loved one, and so on. Some do not even realize they are "crabby".
It is just like when you go Christmas shopping and everyone you meet in the mall or store are in a hurry, bump into you without even saying "excuse me" and just plain ole miserable.
Just keep smiling and being your happy self. Don't worry too much about it.
Happy Holidays to you! Here's a hug :-)
I like it cold for the holidays. Was in Florida last week and...sm
it just did not feel like Christmastime (temps in the 70s--not that I was complaining). However, I wish the temps here in WA State would get above freezing so that I can get my Christmas/birthday shopping done. Some roads are still a sheet of ice. Your 40-50 degrees sound perfect to me.
I am betting the good MTs make a lot more than you do, with paid holidays, too.
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My family decided last year to just enjoy the holidays
We're all adults, no children, and live in small homes or apartments. I NEED tons of stuff, but have no place to put much of anything, and can't afford to reciprocate with a gift. Same with a couple other siblings. My mom's been impossible to buy gifts for, for probably the last 10 years. I was the first to bow out the year before last. I started the ball rolling because I just plain couldn't afford it anymore, and was too busy working all the time to spend hours on end in a department store. I had a new job, no PTO, and NO money, so I alerted everyone that I wasn't going to play the game that year. Turns out it was a relief to all! And last year, without all the holiday 'getting mauled at the mall' disasters, each of us had quiet, happy, stress-free holidays. So now that we've eliminated the gift-giving aspect of Christmas, I finally can look forward to the season and enjoy it again.
And being Christian,
it's okay to try and take a cheap shot at me? Hmm...yourself.
You would see me with my husband for your info.
You just still do not get it. Wasting my breath.
what i have to put up with as a Christian
I cannot pray in public. My children cannot pray in school. Basically I can never mention God in any conversation w/o being called a fanatic like I am some kind of third world kook ready to strap on a bomb. My children and I can hardly watch TV anymore because of the language or sexual content. Even most commercials are to explicit for my young ones to see. I cant even hardly watch the news anymore w/o screening it first. I cant go to a store or a public place with my kids w/o them being exposed to half dressed women/men. Sometimes we get to be exposed to men dressed as women or vice versa. I cant go to the movie store with my kids and browse through the selections w/o seeing many, many movies with lesbians or gay men on the cover of the movie boxes, lying in bed half naked. So, this is what I have to be exposed to daily and this is what my INNOCENT children have to be exposed to daily. Dont tell me I am not tolerant.
See why working at home, and even covering some hours of holidays is better than inhouse?
We aren't able to keep track of the other office workers, build up resentment against them. Love that inhouse stuff.
A bit harsh. For me, I am Christian, and though I don't
think you should live the way you think is right. In the end, truth will prevail. As a Christian, I will pray for you just as I do others.
Now Tinks, you should know better than that as a Christian. sm
I, too, am a Christian, but I don't think it was very kind of you to tell her "you are not as selfless as you want everyone to think." That was mean.
Remember what Christ said? He said to season our words with love and be gentle and kind. You can post Scripture all day long but until you model gentleness and kindness I doubt many will listen.
From one sister to another....
Prayers for you - I am a Christian and I truly believe (sm)
that she is with God. A person as good as she was certainly does not go for eternity anywhere other than in God's presence. I believe this with my whole heart, and I hope that you can too. Don't even think about the doctors' part in her death. Just think of it as God wanted her home, and so he took her.
Christian Dior
I love their lipsticks and lip glosses also. I like the darker shades like shades of brown or pinks for summer. they have pretty good staying power. a bit expensive though but worth it!
wow that's mighty christian of you
you people remind me again and again of why i'm not...
Dr. Christian Troy
No, I haven't heard his Australian accent. In fact, it was only recently that I learned that he's an Aussie! I have no idea how they do that. Joley Richardson does, too. I think that's why she speaks so slowly.
The season finale only left me wanting more, as per usual. It's really dark, but so "out there!" I just wish they'd do more shows!
Dr. Christian Troy
Oh, so smokin' hot! 
Oh believe me, I know what a pushy Christian is you see,
I am a pastor's wife and I see them every day, and mostly in church on Sundays. You know the people who care about what other people think and who forget about what God thinks. You know, those types.
way to go you christian jerks
I'm Christian and it really irks me to see that he was being harassed by Christians because he doesn't believe in God. That is not a description of true faith by any means. Those soldiers destroyed their witness to him and that in itself is a sin... this man will never come to faith if he continues to be treated like this. I wouldn't want to either if I were him.
am a Christian, but it is really a tradition
of man; the Bible doesn't tell us when Christ was really born, and doesn't authorize Christmas as a Christian holiday, tho it still has a religious flavor, it is certainly not a religious holiday in the strict sense.
There were both secular and christian surveys done and they
all came out to be about the same result. Next, you'll ask me for proof. When I have a few spare minutes I'll try to find the links. In the meantime, you can search the net and likely find them.
See my answer, Teresa, below and you will see about the Christian
thing. You never really know another person. I would have never thought my father would molest his own flesh and blood but it happened and yet he was a very "Christian" man to the others in his community. Sounds like the people in the neighborhood when one of their neighbors murders someone and they say "well he was the nicest man, never would have thought he would have done this, quiet, kept to himself" - yeh right.
The Christian community has always thought they were better than everyone else.
Religion has often been the catalyst of wars...hence the one we are in now.
Actually, if you're a strong Christian
and grounded in your faith, you are going to wear it everywhere you go because that is what Jesus instructed us to do. Our job on this earth is to preach the gospel to all people so that they might come to know him.
I'm sorry that it bothers you (and don't say it doesn't because it obviously does) but if you don't like the the posts of Jan, mammamt and others who have chosen to profess their faith then don't read them but please don't knock them down.
I know this is an absolutely futile argument but I just had to throw my 2 cents in there.
do the christian posts intimidate you?
Maybe you're afraid you'll read something that convicts you? It has happened, you know.
CHRISTIAN MARRIED COUPLES
or Partners in Christ; Partners for Christ; Christian Couple Dynamics 2007?
I like to name things. I will be back after I take my "power nap." Hope it works, I have 10 more hours to work!
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