guess you are a vegan too, since killing cows - sm

• If abortion is murder ... - Not Political
  • I think it is her body, her choice, and - sm
  • Honestly -- it's none of your business! - Get a life
  • Get over it. Abortion is legal, and American women - intend to KEEP it that way.
  • I guess you are trying to start a war on here- sm -
    • actually, breathing is not the optimal word, - sm
      • guess you are a vegan too, since killing cows - sm -
        • how ridiculous! I said living - sm
          • There are those that believe animals have souls- -
      • So then you WOULD treat a woman like a criminal? - Is what you're saying
        • isn't my post factually true? - sm
    • I disagree with you, but...this IS a political post. - Kendra
      • i see it as a human behavior post. - nm
  • interesting question. but how often - sm
    • Well I see it differently (sm) - MeMT
      • Yes, but abortion would be only taking the budding tomatoe, not the whole plant. - analogy
        • no, abortion is taking a HUMAN life with a soul. - analogies don't get it. (nm)
      • And as for molesters? I don't feel the need to be nice to them (sm) - MeMT
    • I agree--sm - me

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***UPDATE*** The Associated Press reveals more details about the shooter:

The suspect had been disarmed after an earlier incident at the center but returned with another weapon, according to a senior military official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation into the shootings was ongoing.

***UPDATE*** The American soldier who shot dead five fellow soldiers at a U.S. base in Baghdad is in custody.

"The shooter is a US soldier and he is in custody," US marine corps lieutenant Tom Garnett, a US military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters.

The New York Times adds some perspective to the tragedy:

The killings appeared to be the worst case of soldier-on-soldier violence among the American forces based in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago.
The shootings, which took place at a stress clinic, highlight the problem of post-traumatic stress disorder among U.S. soldiers, notes the Guardian:

Stress is one of the biggest killers of US soldiers in Iraq. About a fifth of all US troops are thought to be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, contributing to high divorce and suicide rates. An estimated one fifth of the 4,292 members of the US force in Iraq have died from non-combat causes, either in accidents or from suicide.
***UPDATE*** According to Fox News, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs Monday relayed President Obama's response to the tragedy. Obama expressed shock and sadness and is promising to fully investigate what exactly transpired at Camp Liberty, so as to prevent such incidents in the future.

***UPDATE*** AP has another update. The shooting was at a 'stress clinic':

Pentagon officials say five Americans are dead after a U.S. soldier opened fire at a U.S. base in Baghdad. They say the attacker is in custody.

The officials say the shootings happened on Camp Liberty at a stress clinic, where troops can go for help with the stresses of combat or stress from personal issues.

One senior military official in Washington says it's unclear whether those killed are workers at the clinic or were there for counseling. He says officials also are unsure whether all the dead are members of the military.

***UPDATE*** ABC News reports that the U.S. soldier who attacked fellow troops on a U.S, base in Iraq has killed five of them and is now in custody. Initial reports suggested that he had turned the gun on himself after his rampage.

***UPDATE*** AP now reports that the U.S. soldier who went on a rampage against his fellow troops in Iraq may have survived the incident:

Pentagon officials say five U.S. soldiers are dead after an American soldier opened fire at a U.S. base in Baghdad.

The officials say the shootings happened Monday at Camp Liberty near Baghdad's airport.

One senior military official in Washington said it was not yet clear whether the shooter was among the dead. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the circumstances surrounding the deaths are under investigation.

Initial reports indicated the Army soldier shot several others, then turned the gun on himself. But it was unclear whether he, too, had died.

***UPDATE*** CNN reports that 3 other U.S. soldiers were wounded during the friendly fire incident that has left 5 U.S. troops dead. An American soldier killed 4 of his fellow troops before killing himself.

According to the Washington Post, it is the single greatest loss of life in a single incident involving U.S. soldiers since a truck bomb last month took the lives of 5 American soldiers.

***UPDATE*** CNN has just sent out a breaking news alert reporting that senior defense officials have told the network that a US soldier killed 4 of his fellow troops before killing himself. Check back for more information.

McClatchy is reporting that a shooting at a U.S. base in Baghdad has left 5 soldiers dead. The shooting occurred at Camp Liberty, a base near the Baghdad airport.

...that's why I gave up on Christianity.  Jesus' message was beautiful and loving for the most part, but the religion has become inundated with intolerance and condemnation and even damnation.  Religion world-wide is too much of a trigger for war and violence and I'm not sure how it got twisted into its present form(s).  Well, let me take that back -- it seems as long as there has been religion humans have been fighting and killing each other over it, which is a sad advertisement for a particular religion, unfortunately.

To quote from a favorite folksong, I'm willing to "let the mystery be."

and, if I had it to do over again, I would do exactly the same!  My youngest will be two in June, and my oldest has two of his own.  Yes, we have quite an age spread there.    Our 2-year-old is the joy of our lives.  One little laugh or even a smile from him, and everything else seems to pale in importance.  He's a great little de-stressor. 

As I have always told my children, "Friends come and go, but familes are forever."

been posted.  I got it as an email from someone.....It is really cute for Christmas...

Wagons East  Cat

You probably know it is a musical.  I loved the time period, etc. Yesterday I checked on the price of a the Sweeney Todd CD and can't wait to get it. I was very low in money, but just checking to see who had it. The song I was referring to is acutally "Not when I'm Around" sung by the young boy in the film. What a voice and what a beautiful song.  Let me know if you see it, Cat. I warn you . . . not for the faint of heart!    LOL. 

Keep up the great work.  My daughters are 19 and 23 but I had the same standards you have.  They did not get cell phones until high school, they could not wear tank tops that their bras would show.  They had curfews. My 19 year old still does when she comes home from college 1 a.m.  She hates it but I want to sleep at night.  I went to all of their activities even though I could have been doing my own thing because they were my children and that is what we are suppose to do.   That I always knew where they were, did not let them get involved with children that we knew the parents were drug addicts etc. They have recently told me that were glad that morals were instilled in them That they now know what is right and wrong because so many people they meet in college have parents who realy dont care and have no morals.

Someday your children will tell you they appreciate the way you brought them up.

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY