Your post just proved Moore's point
Posted By: chronically confused on 2007-07-03
In Reply to: Post from main board ie Michael Moore movie Sicko - Passin by
....which is that even those of us who think we have a good health care plan are getting suboptimal care because the doctors have become the slaves of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. It's not that way in most other industrialized countries and it doesn't have to be that way here. It is actually possible to run an efficient health care system where everybody gets treated well, quickly, and fairly without facing bankruptcy in the process. Go see the movie and do a little investigation on your own and you'll see this. I think you'll find yourself agreeing with more him more than disagreeing with him if you do.
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Post from main board ie Michael Moore movie Sicko
I have NO desire to see this movie, and I believe that it is just perpetuating and promoting what is going on in this county -- I recently suffered a broken leg and went to THE "county hospital, i.e., Jackson Memorial, in Miami/Dade County -- the ONLY reason that I even went there was because of the fact that my significant other did not understand that with my insurance through CHAMPUS that I could be seen at any or all hospitals in the Miami area -- as a side note, the ONLY time that I have been "turned down" is at a Kaiser facility as far as being seen as a CHAMPUS patient.
CHAMPUS is the major insurance carrier that serves our military and their familes once the service member is honorably discharged, retires from active duty or dies in active combat or retired.
What I endured at Jackson was little short of HORRENDOUS and I believe that if any of us were to be seen at a major medical facility, we would soon find this out.
Jackson Memorial is 1500 beds -- I was initially seen in their "Extreme Care" section -- I got there at 11:30 a.m. and was finally out of there at 11:30 p.m. In the meantime, I walked down to their radiology department because the ignoramous P.A. did not put me in a wheelchair or crutches after I told him that the ankle area had been bruised for a week even after I wrapped it, Epsom salts, ice packs etc -- guess their attitude was "oh well" -- sure enough, it was a fracture -- they lost my records and with my second appointment it was from approximately 9:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. to be seen in their "Trauma Clinic" -- no docs, just residents,but tell you what, if you are of Hispanic descent, or poor -- BOY do you get preferential treatment -- needless to say, I am still in pain, with swelling, can't wear a shoe after the cast being off a week, and cannot get results -- I called the ER a bit ago and told them that I was going to be seen at a real hospital and that they could take their treatment and stick it
Bottom line is that patient care has TRULY gone down the toilet, whether it be a nurse, doctor or ANY kind of healthcare professional.
Not exactly the point of my post (OP)
but anyway...I'm happy for him and don't see many of us doing their job...huh? I'd much rather be sitting here typing away in total silence than listening to a buncha kids all day...so I feel that teachers are HIGHLY underpaid and underappreciated (apparently!) by parents...just MYO of course...have a NICE day everyone...
You missed the point of my post
The only things she chose to complain about were nitpicky things -- what they serve for dinner. Most kids don't have dinner with their parents. Last time I checked PB&J and yogurt were pretty healthy. Her GS has ADHD. He isn't going to "behave" on command. Any MT would know that. First she complains because they don't correct them, then she complains because they are, just not to her standards. Instead of criticizing her kids, she should be trying to help the situation.
Did she hit a nerve with me? Absolutely. My parenting skills are always being critiqued. From the time my oldest son was old enough to eat until about the age of 6, I had to pack PB&J everywhere we went. He refused to eat anything else. Was it because I didn't offer it to him, no. It was because that's what he liked and that's what he could control. My other child has ODD -- oppositional defiant disorder. Is it because I didn't parent him correctly? No, it's because that's how he's wired. I have 2 other children who are not like this. They were all raised in the same house under the same rules. I am constantly berated by my father for not "cracking the whip" on him and by my mother for being "too strict." It's so easy to sit back as GPs and offer criticism after criticism. Then after upsetting DS or DD, you can go back home and not be the one who on top of your feelings of inadequacy now has to deal with a difficult child.
I could see if it the OP said the children were malnourished or not cleaned and clothed properly, but she's complaining about yogurt and fishsticks. She's complaining about an ADHD child who doesn't behave.
who has proved this?
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proved what?
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I'm glad you proved that was true b/c
i was thinking...how the HECK did they make such a realistic looking trunk?
Michael Moore
Unfairenheit 9/11The lies of Michael Moore.By Christopher Hitchens Posted Monday, June 21, 2004, at 3:26 PM ET
Moore: Trying to have it three ways One of the many problems with the American left, and indeed of the American left, has been its image and self-image as something rather too solemn, mirthless, herbivorous, dull, monochrome, righteous, and boring. How many times, in my old days at The Nation magazine, did I hear wistful and semienvious ruminations? Where was the radical Firing Line show? Who will be our Rush Limbaugh? I used privately to hope that the emphasis, if the comrades ever got around to it, would be on the first of those and not the second. But the meetings themselves were so mind-numbing and lugubrious that I thought the danger of success on either front was infinitely slight.
Nonetheless, it seems that an answer to this long-felt need is finally beginning to emerge. I exempt AL Franken's unintentionally funny Air America network, to which I gave a couple of interviews in its early days. There, one could hear the reassuring noise of collapsing scenery and tripped-over wires and be reminded once again that correct politics and smooth media presentation are not even distant cousins. With Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, however, an entirely new note has been struck. Here we glimpse a possible fusion between the turgid routines of MoveOn.org and the filmic standards, if not exactly the filmic skills, of Sergei Eisenstein or Leni Riefenstahl.
To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.
Dudley Moore had......sm
a disease called progressive supranuclear palsy. It manifests in much the same way as dementia or Alzheimer's and is often misdiagnosed as Alzheimer's because of the behavorial changes. The disease also produces slowed movements of the body which are often confused with Parkinson's.
??Next Michael Moore movie
Perhaps we need to get the attention of Michael Moore to come to our defense. A sequel to Sicko - regarding the outsourcing of our medical records to other countries - I'll contact him, will you?
Might I add that FOX news, who hates Moore..nm
When Sicko came out in Cannes France over a month ago, it was FOX NEWS (who really dislike Moore since Fahrenheit 911 movie) who FIRST commended Moore's SICKO film........FOX NEWS!!!!!!
yes yes yes...agree 100%...dudley moore had SO MUCH fun with that film! nm
sure do miss him... "gonna see what we can find today"? well, maybe i'll look for that old vhs tape and play it again...=)
pot/kettle/black.....Moore is FAR from idiocy!!
Definition of IDIOT: A person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25
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nope, Michael Moore certainly does not quality for your terminology of *idiot* - that probably would be you.
I like Michael Moore, but health care SM
in Cuba has declined and it's certainly not great. Don't believe everything you see.
It used to be fair, before the embargo, but it's now third world. What you saw was planned in advance.
I avoid Michael Moore and his "documentaries" whenever possible, BUT
I will watch this movie, I promise.
I don't believe Mr. Moore's beaming portrayal of the European and Canadian health care systems is completely accurate. I have a number of Canadian friends who have described the system as chaotic and overwhelmingly dangerous and dysfunctional. The wait lists for some routine or non-emergency procedures can be literally months long.
I'm an RN and have worked with Canadian nurses who said they crossed the border because they can't earn a competitive wage in their own country. One of my patients (a Canadian now living in the US) had the misfortune of having a heart attack while visiting relatives in BC, and by his own account he had to lie on a gurney in the hallway of the ER for 48 hours while receiving only intermittent treatment. My girlfriend told me pregnant women there don't get epidurals during labor because there is never time or an anesthesiologist available to administer them.
None of this excuses the health care crisis in the United States, but it should cause us to question whether adopting a national plan is truly the answer to our problems. I just know I don't want Canada to be our model.
Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher are still married
I say go for it. You only live once. I think that only you know for sure if it's something that you want to pursue. Good luck with whatever you decide.
Should say the child found in Florida proved to be the Caylee child, homicide.
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and yer point? - many MTs are 55+...in the USA....
However, to the Jean Stapleton responder, Jean isn't Jewish *lol*
E-Bay will never help at this point. Way too
soon. Most sellers do not write and let you know its shipped - the old days, perhaps, but not now. E-Bay and Paypal both use 10 days out, I believe, as the earliest you should start to fret at all - its only up to the seller to ship immediately and/or let the buyer know. I've been dealing with E-Bay since its inception, and we are also Power Sellers - unless the seller has a lot of negatives, I would just chill. If they did have negatives, you should not have dealt with them. I am assuming the seller didn't have negatives, and just is not going to be rushed. Its really lost the personal touch of the old days, and you are nothing more than an invisible entity buying something thru the mail. Not the way we do business, but the way most business is done now on E-Bay. Good luck!
And your point would be??
Any drug company whether Merck or another making the drug would, duh, naturally make a profit. I think that is why pharmaceutical companies are in the business or am I missing something here?
I think his point was that
for things like STD's or perhaps a vaccine for boys to keep them from giving girls STD's in the first place, MAYBE keep them from getting prostate cancer. He just wondered if the drug companies are working as hard on these things for young boys or if, once again, they are putting the burden on females.
She's got a point though!
You cannot hold a job down and have a child on one knee. You need both hands to type. Time and time again, these posters get on here and ask how to do it? I don't think Minnie is too way off track here. I mean, you have to set boundaries. You can't expect to coddle a toddler or infant all day and type at the same time. She'll have to make some changes if she's not getting the support from her hubby. Not everyone has family to fall back on for babysitting needs, but the OP sounds like she'd be better off getting a job on-site and taking her children to daycare as they may receive better treatment. Sounds like a lot of hostility in that household, which cannot be very good for the children. Some changes need to be made and quick before it escalates into something worse. It is not fair to the children.
I think you do have a point, but sm
the same goes for married people. When I got married my coworkers wanted to know when we planned to start a "family". So once we started the "family" they wanted to know if we planned on having an only child or having more children? It never ends. Some people are, well. "nosey". They like to know everyone's business. It gives them something to fill the voids in their lives I would guess. I wouldn't worry to much about mixing with this crowd too much. Sometimes I wonder if being single isn't more "hip" now than it was in the past. Have fun and enjoy. Life is too short!
my point exactly--sm
by the way this person keeps pushing this stuff about koreans teaching anti-americanism, it makes you think that this was the reason this kid did this, which is just not the case. I'm glad to know there are others that feel the way I do!
my point exactly! nm
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You have to look at it from their point of
If you loan out money/credit and someone promises to pay, and this happens with several borrowers, you cannot afford to give much in the way of leniency.
They are in the business to make money.
I feel for you. Unfortunately, too many people live check to check or beyond their means and it only takes 1 foul up to do this to them.
Your best bet is to work hard to put yourself into a place where you don't have to worry about it.
My point exactly!
It is the craziest thing- I will never understand it. Do they not realize that they are not only encouraging people to declare bankruptcy but in a sense actually rewarding them for it?!?
But you know, I think it comes back to what I was saying earlier- they just write it all off so they really don't care if the money comes from you or not. They always get their money one way or another. Grrrrrr!!!
What is your point? nm
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yep, my point exactly (OP)
Teaching them in life they will always be rewarded for something...NOT! I think an award should genuinely be earned and I'm sorry if all the kids don't get one...they just need to work harder and earn it...
That's my point (sm)
If it's backwoodsy, so what? This is the gab board. People chat. You don't think asking if somebody's young and calling her dearie is being the grammar police or a little hateful first thing in the morning? She *was* referring to a childhood event, and yeah, children itch their itches sometimes where I'm from.
Odd turns of phrase are still to be found in all parts of the country and on a board like this are going to turn up in "casual conversation." Some of us still have our "work vocabulary" and our "casual vocabulary," and they're not always the same.
Did you have to point it out to her? - LOL
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Cat gets his point across
A cat has needs and he won't be denied. See link.
you have a point....
I was just under the assumption that they didn't have children together and thought the "what ifs" might be getting to her. But if she does have children with him, hopefully he is the kind of father who will include his children in all aspects of his life and not try to hide them from his "new" family. It is just a really tough situation when kids are involved. It is so sad in my own circumstance. But I totally see this side of things now.
YES I HAVE, and that was exactly my point. sm
I KNEW what i was talking about. HE had no clue, SHE had no clue, I was being REALISTIC. She didn't want to accept that maybe just maybe he had gotten himself into something more than he could handle. Did ANYBODY read her original post??????
I have it. Your point?
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You do have a point
I really do not want to work outside of the home now and there just aren't many options where I live anyway but maybe I can find something with a little more responsibility and use other skills I have like leadership, etc. I actually got spark there inside when I thought about it. Thanks!
Point taken....
however, you can be retired and taking care of yourself and still not think of your kids as burdens. They are grown with lives of their own. That is great, but when you get annoyed by their phone call to the point where you consider having the answering machine pick up and maybe even disconnecting the phone.......that is just extreme. She really needs to stand back and count her blessings and enjoy her retirement as well as her kids.
What point...that they don't have to put up
with insults and lies from people like you.
You contracticted yourself so many times...i used to post good about the moderators then later say this is the first and last post I'll ever do...ya ya, troll elsewhere.
Mod, just want to point out it is not me with the
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Exactly my point !
I'm sick of the negativity about this job - if you don't like it,don't come here to p*ss and moan, go somewhere else.
Exactly my point
If you don't like it, you don't have to come here and read it either!
You aren't going to change the way the hundreds of posters are here...you'd be better off changing what you do rather than complaining about others.
Looks like you are just asking for an argument, I won't be providing it any further.
Point
Who pi__ed in your Wheaties this morning? Geez. Someone was just venting, something we all have been doing. There is a difference between moaning and actually fearing the loss of a job and the loss of income we have all experienced with ASR.
my point...
And MY POINT IS that it doesn't matter what the breed of the dog is! Could've happened regardless of the breed of the dog. And just about ANY dog would growl, bark, nip, bite if it was abused.... wouldn't you if you were the dog being abused??? And who leaves an elderly frail person with 3 large dogs??? That's like leaving a toddler with 3 large dogs REGARLESS OF THE BREED! We have always had large dogs, but when my grandfather got elderly we had to watch the dogs around him cuz they would get caught up playing and trip him & he would fall to the ground and hurt himself, so leaving an elderly person by themselves is not a good idea with 3 large dogs, and that's my point also!
Well you do have a point there...
I'd love to be waited on, pampered, spending their money...yeah! But I'd probably be the one on the other end who gets the crappy, nasty family. couldn't handle that...
The point I see here...sm
If her son won the Wii, he is the one who still should receive something for "winning" a prize in the first place. Am I missing something here?
but my point was...
that a locked door does not keep people out of the house. My dog does, though...
To get to this point...sm
flylady.net if you are interested.
took me about 4 months...keeping in mind that I was no longer a clutterbug, thanks to flylady years ago. I have been redoing a house for about 2-1/2 years and had finally completed the master bedroom and bath, making it easier to start getting onto other things (I only have kitchen counter and floor to do, and a bathroom facelift).
Mostly I have found that flylady is a mindset and if you can't get into the mindset, you are not ready just yet. It is a dedication to all the other things in your life and working very hard at minimizing housework to have more time for the far more important things in your life. You have to be ready to tackle your problem areas 15 minutes at a time, lessen the clutter in your life and let go of old habits. Clutter breeds depression and depression breeds more clutter. It is about opening up your heart and mind to abundance, because it is the feelings of lack and shortage that keep you tied to the junk you don't use, don't love and don't need. It will improve your entire life, not just your house.
I think the point is . . . .
If you're using your credit card to purchase stuff because you don't have the cash, then you can't really afford it. You're planning on paying it off/down when this new deal comes in May and you'll be making more income. What if that doesn't happen? Where will you be then?
A poster above said what she learned from her father was the best. If you can't pay cash, then you can't afford it. I learned that lesson the HARD way.
Why not? That's the point, Who was
named as beneficiaries on the insurance policy? In every policy there must be a beneficiary named. I guess, most probably his wife and his 2 children, NOT the sister!
As the state could not find them, very mysterious!!! and the sister did not help, she (username: Interesting!), the sister, took all the money!
Strange, strange!!!
Well you see the whole point was that
I didn't expect it, so I was trying to let people know, because $50 might be a significant part of, say, a grocery budget, for those of us who are struggling.
It all adds up. I'm not exaggerating about the college tuition. Poof - the equivalent of that is now being deducted.
Here's another point to consider
I have found that my 16yo son will stay in much better contact with me with texting. He is more apt to tell me when and where he is going if he moves from one place to another. I figure this saves face for him in front of his friends--no one has to know he is talking to his "mommy" (he can also discretely let me know who he is with when I ask). Our rule is if you always answer your phone/text messages when you are out and about, you earn much more freedom.
Point taken
I love and use slang as much as the next guy, but don't try to pass it off as the Queen's English. But you are correct; I allowed boredom to get the better of me and continued it well past the point where I should have gone into ignore mode.
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