Wow! A little harsh, but true :) nm
Posted By: Jemm on 2007-07-08
In Reply to: I am sitting here laughing at both of you - Kinnie
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So very harsh -
And if the shoe were on the other foot? What if your daughter or granddaughter were raped and you forced them to carry a baby what would remind them every single day of the trauma they suffered.
You may think it murder but it could cost you far far more than you could ever imagine if you forced that decision on your daughter or granddaughter in that situation. Harden your heart a little more because they would never forgive you. Truly, NEVER forgive you.
So harsh.
I think he loves that little girl.
How truly harsh you are
My grandson also comes into bed with his mother, as he has had nightmares and he is a very well-adjusted, very bright young boy, who is cared for and loved a great. He has a great deal of sympathy and compassion for other people and their feelings; in fact, he knows not to say anything cruel or hurtful to anyone, and act with kindness toward others. Perhaps you need to remember that. His very much a boy, and has a great relationship with his parents, and I seriously doubt that he, or the other children mentioned here will have any perversions or be maladjusted in this life. It is people like you that go around calling others sicko that I fear.
harsh
If you are not ready to settle down, then I don't really think that is his fault. 28 is pretty old to be going out all the time. Sorry if that is harsh :)
Wow! That's a little harsh, don't you think?
I disagree with you that
'nothing makes it the woman's fault?'
I don't think so!
Call me old-fashioned, but I, and I think also other people, have in general the tendency to
'condone' if men sidesteps rather than women stepping aside.
I, myself, I would never have something 'on the side', it's against my nature and morals.
A bit harsh. For me, I am Christian, and though I don't
think you should live the way you think is right. In the end, truth will prevail. As a Christian, I will pray for you just as I do others.
I may have been a little harsh in some of my posts
and if so I apologize. I truly do feel bad for you, I have sisters and I know I would be devastated. I hope someday soon you can both put this in the past and make up. I'm sure Thanksgiving may be a bit sad this year for you but I hope you can find some happiness and enjoy the day as best as possible.
Not to sound harsh here BUT -
Freedom is not free. The military is there to provide a function in our society. It can provide wonderful opportunities for young people, provide them with a good education and training, BUT there is a chance they can be called to go overseas to fulfill a contract they willingly signed. I would let my children go in a second if they chose that route. I am at least 5th generation military myself. Quite honestly, kids these days have a better chance of being killed in a car accident than in combat. Look at the true statistics. You might feel better if you spoke with the recruiter with her. Just my two cents...Best of luck to her! :-)
Harsh punishment but . . .
like you, I don't agree with this sort of behavior at all. But what recourse does the school have? These days, kids communicate widely via the internet. When one child writes something evil or threatening about another child in a blog or sends bullying emails, parents go straight to the school and ask that something be done about it. In the same vein, shouldn't the school do something about their own teachers being bullied? Most schools now address this sort of thing in their parent/student handbooks.
We can leave this up to the parents, but sadly, lots of parents aren't doing their jobs, either monitoring their children's activities online or teaching them appropriate social behavior. In and of itself, this one comment about a teacher isn't so threatening, but the bigger picture can be pretty upsetting.
I have a friend whose teenage children drive me insane. I can barely keep my mouth shut around them. I would love to sit them down and tell them how obnoxious they are. They are profane and will curse in front of adults and then tell us that we're just uptight and "what's the big deal". Many times as I speak to my friend on the phone, her children will start a conversation with mom while she is on the phone to me. That's rude in itself, but the foul-mouthed comments about their teachers, etc., are horrible. Mom does nothing about it, in fact, she joins in with the remarks. In recent months, I hardly talk to my friend on the phone anymore, because these sorts of things were happening nearly every time I speak to her on the phone. That may not be relative to this situation, but it's an example of the kind of "support" that schools get from parents.
I think the school has to have some say over what the kids are doing online with respect to school, but 10 days total suspension is an awful lot.
Think I was too harsh in my comments to you sm
I apologize, I am very raw right now from undeserved treatment by DIL so when I saw your posting title, it bothered me. I love my grandkids so much that I would welcome a list of "rules" if one were presented to me. It's too bad she uses the Bible, I have had this done to me more than once by those who misunderstand the good book and use it as a weapon. I certainly would have a heart-to-heart with her, don't lose your temper, and let it be known that interpretation of the Bible is a very private affair and she should never mention demons, bring a Bible to your home, etc., etc. Give her the option of playing by your rules and an option of her only playing children's games, watching a movie, etc., and keeping her opinions to herself. Give her supervised visiting priviliges and then you're off the hook if she doesn't accept. If she persists, then she truly is in need of psychological help which is not up to you to provide. Give her the choice and if she chooses to keep it up, then you'll have no recourse, little kids don't need this. At least you tried, it's her choice to not adhere to your rules, unfortunately, she's missing out on a lot, I wish she could see how lucky she is to be "talked to" and given options. Good luck with it. Hate the sin and not the sinner. I once had to lay down the law with my sister and the Bible. I have made it clear that I won't tolerate Bible talk, she can come any time but the conversation has to be light, not inappropriate, not religious and no politics. It has worked pretty well, once in awhile she has a slip and has to be reminded but we are talking - no religion, no end-of-the world,no Jesus talk, it takes reinforcing every once in awhile. Good luck with it all, it's stressful.
i didnt mean to come off harsh
i just dont understand and that is simply because i have never been a smoker
I dont think anyone should ever start because it is addictive and I am aware of that, but there are also other ways to quit. i just was saying it doesn't sound like you really care.... which is completely your choice.
It is not harsh, this is justice for all.
The doctor who performed the IVF is as guilty as this woman, maybe even guiltier (more guilty).
They should go - hand in hand - either to jail or to the looney bin.
Children should get adopted or government takes care of them.
Way harsh? Oh come on. We are all adults here.
This is not a out of the blue tragedy. She sat for two months with lousy paychecks coming in. Why? That is her OWN fault. It would have taken one for me to get movin.
What is wrong with saying get up, get moving and get a job? What is the alternative?
There is no good in crying over something you CAN fix. Maybe the OP NEEDS to find strength now and not be babied.
For the love of Pete!
harsh landlord?
If my tenant fails to pay his rent, I cannot make my mortgage payment. Times are tough all around!
I know it is very harsh...the thing is I have asked her so many times (sm)
and the things she says are hurtful to my children. I am not petty and it is not over something small like candy or just having a difference of opinion. The things she says to them really scare and upset them. She let them watch a woman giving birth on TV once when they were very young...I had not explained yet to them exactly how a baby gets out...they were both very upset. She also has told other family members that she believes my husband is a child molester and that he has made my son, who is 11, gay. My husband is not a molester. My son likes girls. He has no idea she ever said that, but if he ever heard that she did, it would probably be very devastating to him. Each time I have sat down and tried to explain to her that we don't expose our children to this or that, and that we don't teach them to believe that there are ghosts or demons after them, she says she is a grown woman and can say whatever she wants to and gets all teary-eyed and wants to cry. Then later she yells at me, "oh, yeah, that's right I'm not supposed to say anything." She kept the kids while I was gone overnight this past weekend and I specifically asked her not to say anything that would scare them. She let my daughter invite a friend to sleep over. She told them all about ghosts and demons and how she once saw a demon in her closet. The girl sleeping over got scared and cried to go home at midnight. My daughter called me on my cell at midnight crying because her friend was scared and going home and she was also scared. At what point do I draw the line?
Are you harsh posters cops or parents?
A little late to post, but here's my idea as a mom of 5. Get her out of the house, some place public, Starbucks or the bookstore - a place where she won't storm off and you'll both be civil to each other at least for a few minutes. Tell her you love her, be understanding and really talk to her. Ask her what is going on in her life, is she stressed about something in particular? Don't alienate her. There is a lot of life ahead for you both and this is not a permanent condition for her. If ALL you do is punish you risk sending her off in a bad direction. At the end of the conversation it may seem you got nowhere, but she'll think about things and hopefully be a bit less impulsive. Please post back and let us know how things go.
No way this is true... sm
my husband is Aries and has never had an accident in his 34 years of driving. My brother-in-law is also an Aries and he's never had a wreck in 28 years of driving.
Very true,
I just do not want to hurt my husband or hurt our marriage. I have been doing a lot of praying about the situation and I am not going to let him ruin our holiday. If I have to not go around him I will just not go around him. Thanks again for all the replies, God Bless and Merry Christmas
very true
But if you limit to under 20 gm for 2 weeks you will loose those bread cravings and sugar cravings. After that you have to slowly put them back in (the right ones fruits and veggies)and test at what level you will still loose weight. Adkins...But it you go overboard and cut them out for good will end ya in the hospital with kidney failure. Otherwise Adkins is a great program...2 weeks and the cravings end, amazing. I mark a start and end point for the 2 weeks on the calander and x out each day because to start it is brutal. As long as I can seen an end in site I'm ok. I lost 40 pounds on it 2 years ago and they put me back on meds to manage chronic pain and it went right back on, now I am learning to manage both. Bad back and extra weight are not a good combination.
according to what or who is this true?
reincarnation maybe?
So true!
You are so right--wish more had your compassion! There should be a ''Golden Rule'' for animals!
True but if you think about it -
helping someone to help themselves to not be a drain on taxpayers is NEVER a bad idea.
I was a single mother at 18. I had no one to depend on and couldn't get welfare. It was a long struggle but I did it and I did it on my own. Not everyone can.
So true.
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LOL true!
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That's not true
They will remove that money from your account unless they have some sort of overdraft protection that prevents it from bouncing. But if the check bounces, they will take the money from you. That is why at stores, they always have signs saying you will be charged a $25 fee for a returned check - because that money was taken away from them.
I had a $300 check that was given to me bounce and they took that $300 away from me - that was a mess!!!
Not true
My parents have been happily married for 45 years and in my entire childhood I remember them having 1 fight.
This is not to say a man is necessary for happiness. I personally have never married, am still single (and happy) at age 41. But I know its possible to find someone like that--in the meantime, I am happy with my life and will never "settle" for less just to have a man.
Very true (sm)
No woman should ever need to be dependent on a man to survive, ditto for men being dependent on a woman. Everyone should be self-sufficient in life.
Please teach your children, male and female, to learn a trade or a career that will allow them to support themselves. Please teach them to establish their own credit rating. Teach them to live beneath their means. Teach them self-respect and morals. Teach them to be self-reliant and independent. If they have the fortune of finding a wonderful man or woman, they are blessed as will be their children. If that wonderful man or woman turns out to be Satan in human form, they will possess the right strengths to handle the situation. If the wonderful man or woman drops dead long before their time they will at least have the knowledge and ability to support themselves and/or children.
There are wonderful men and women out there. You usually don't find them in bars. It takes more than 6 months to determine if they are worthy of you. Don't "settle". We are all responsible for our choices and hopefully learn by our mistakes.
To the women on this board who think they can't leave their husbands because they don't have the financial resources, please consider if staying is worth the lesson your children are learning in how to treat a wife. If that husband dropped dead right now, what's the difference? A life insurance policy? You will find a way to survive. No child deserves to grow up in a battlefield. Stop the cycle of abuse by teaching your children that being abused, whether physically or mentally, is never acceptable. Standing up for yourself so you can stand up for your children. Teach your children strength in by doing what is right, whether it is seeking counseling and/or leaving a bad marriage.
The woman that started this thread was so right in saying that when you hit middle age and beyond, you will be astounded at where life went and why you didn't make it better when it mattered most. Listen to your elders!
I decided to leave a bad marriage after 13 years. My husband had pulled "the last straw" and I told him I was leaving without batting an eyelash. On the inside I was in a complete wreck. Didn't know where I would go, how I would survive, but bad husband be damned, there was no way on this planet I was going to let my son grow up in that environment. I gave up all the comforts, the fancy home, the new cars, the vacations, etc. I'd do it again in a NY minute and I don't miss it in the least. NOTHING is worth compromising your sanity and your children's identity.
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." - Eleanor Roosevelt
That's true, too.
I am sure now that I have invited her to email me we will do just that. That, of course, does not mean that we can't or won't use this board too, probably just not as much. I have only been speaking with this person for many a week, it's not like we have tied up the board for months. I know what you are saying, and frankly I have thought of that, too. It is annoying to us to be put down for just being friends. People who love their animals can't say enough about it, and that way it would be totally private and we can talk the whole DOGgone day or night. How about it, Me2, give me your opinion.
How very, very true!
Reading that just took me back twenty-five years! At the point where he asked me not to tell the cast members in his play who I was because they didn't know he was married (and I actually complied!)I knew it was either get out or commit suicide. I made the sane choice.
Is it really true?
Reading a great little book called "Food Pets Die For" I learned that the recent epidemic of pet deaths forcing recall of nearly a hundred brands of poisonous commercial pet food is only the "tip of the iceberg". Is it true that ground up roadkill, diseased pet carcasses, and slaughterhouse waste, mixed with grain unfit for human consumption and laced with synthetic preservatives, is considered a healthy diet for people's beloved pets by most veterinarians? If not, then why do so many vet offices sell the stuff?
Yes, it's true
I've heard the Wal-Mart brands are the worst (like Old Roy).
I have to feed my dog a special dog food I get from the vet for dogs with kidney and bladder problems because he gets bladder stones. Hill Science Diet makes it.
I also get regular boneless chicken breasts from the grocery store, usually about 10 pounds at a time, cook them up in the crock pot (I have a 5-6 quart crock pot), put them into plastic bowls and freeze them. Since he is a small dog, that makes enough food for his "supper" for a month or more. I usually try to catch sales for $1.99 a pound (sometimes $1.49 a pound). That's only $20 for a month's worth of food that you know is at least reasonably healthy.
Very true
My friend goes to garage sales every weekend. She collects antiques and picks up things at sales that people have no idea how much they're worth and she buys them for close to nothing and finds out they're work hundreds of dollars.
That might be true but
a person working at the jail, prison, etc., etc. is not allowed to give out that information about a person. Right?
True
So true....I guess I worded the message wrong....just trying to say she did right thing by going home to her family....leaving the past for what it was.....
so true
In our state they had instituted a program called "young 5's", which was basically a year of pre-K where they did the exact same cirriculum as K. I saw no point in it as my child was K ready, so I insisted they just go ahead and put him in Kidnergarten. His teacher kept hassling me about it during conferences. She was an old battle-ax that insisted she knew better than me and he belonged in pre-K. She couldn't give any reason other than "emotionally immature" (what 5 year old isn't?). She informed me that sooner or later, he'd be held back a year because of my arrogance about his ability and pushing him into something he wasn't ready for - SHE knew, SHE had been in the business a long time and SHE was the expert.
He started high school this year at the age of 13 (he'll be 14 next month), and still hasn't been held back a grade due to "emotional immaturity" - in fact he's doing just fine. I think when he graduates I'm going to track her down and rub her face in his diploma - I'm still peeved at her after all this time for trying to bully me into keeping him back a year .
This is true...
And I did think about that. Like I said, I'm happy with the bonus, just not about the danged taxes...
Sad, but true . . .
that during the holidays there can be so much pain. There are millions of families hurting right now, and the holidays just make it more painful. We have the image that this is supposed to be about family, togetherness, and all is well.
I too have an unstable family, and it can get pretty painful, if I let it. I am the oldest with 6 sisters, and most of them do not include me in the holidays. I could go on and on, but the bottom line is this:
You cannot force anybody to change. You cannot force your family to have a relationship with you, and most of all, you must take the focus off about who did what to who, and bring it back to center in yourself. The more you disconnect from the chaos within the family, and focus on your center - that part of your being that is whole, loving, at peace, and connected with the real meaning of Christmas, the better you move in the right direction. I know it's hard, very hard, but look to someone who has accomplished this and is a model for you. Take the best of who you are, and show your granddaughter what family love is about. You can have a wonderful time with her, and those who choose to be a willing part of your life. Family is not always about blood relations. Family are those who uphold you, who share your values and beliefs, and who are able to express love willingly, and in a healthy manner. It is better to be in a stable environment that is mentally,emotionally and spiritually healthy, than to be in an environment with tension, anxiety, and pain.
I too am learning the hard way. I have six sisters who are totally chaotic, and cannot get together in the same room because some have so much bitterness and hate. I learned that I cannot be the catalyst for holding the family together. I tried that, and all that happened is I got kicked out of the family for being what my sisters says is judgemental. So be it.
There are many supportive groups around the holidays that can help you cope. Look in your community services, churches, and support groups. I am going to Al-Anon for the holidays to cope with my family of origin issues.
In the meantime, keep your chin up, and give that child a loving holiday. My prayers are with you.
That's not true
Please don't throw out information unless you know for sure.
So true! nm
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Very true.
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Its true
The majority are expected (and actually counted on) not to think, to focus on themselves and only what's beneath their very noses, the acquisition of products nobody truly needs, and fluff entertainment only, and not take an interest in any real issues.
The government and media expect, and actually think they need, people to stay shallow, uniformed, marginally educated, and childishly willing to be led wherever "authority" tells them to go as long as it sounds good.
Perfect example of this is the housing crisis. People were told by "professional experts" they could afford too much house, and that they could always refinance, so they signed for it. They didn't bother to question or think, and now are up a creek.
Many people are lazy and don't want to think too hard. They don't want to take responsibility for themselves, much less responsibility for issues affecting others, their country, or their world. They learn to care about MS Spears by staring blankly at the tube, and whatever they see there often will be what they are interested in and care about. They'll only touch a newspaper to find a sale or a job, a magazine for the pretty pictures and short, breezy tales that don't strain their attention span. And books - if you can get them to touch one - only for entertainment, and not too thick, please!
We are being trained to be like this. We are letting ourselves be trained. We are letting our children be trained. You are not crazy. It is the truth.
Oh so true...
There was something on the comedy stop I think like a letter written to the advertisers about this slogan... it was really funny.
not true
I am not a Barak Obama person nor a Hillary Clinton fan, however, some of the information is not true. . I believe he was sworn in using a Bible - not the Koran. . and he made a statement on 60 minutes or somewhere that he has, in fact, lead the Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance on more than one occasion. . I don't know about the rest of the stuff mentioned but I don't think you can believe everything you read on the internet... I personally am not planning to vote for him but just think some of the things mentioned aren't true. .
This is true...but
I agree with you...this is an animal! I can't even imagine what was going through his mind while he was doing this to that poor girl. However, I think life in prison is worse than the death penalty. Society makes it seem as though death is the worse thing, but I think that's the easy way out. This way he has to sit and think about this for at least the next 57 years. I've been watching the specials on MSNBC about life in prison and the inmates there are just animals. Their cells are tiny and they hardly have room to move inside. I think this is far worse than the death penalty. Life is beautiful when you act civil and lead a good life and I believe death and going to our afterlife is also beautiful and to offer that option to an animal who has done such a hanous (sp?) crime would be the worst decision. Here's this guy - a police officer, nice looking, pretty girlfriend about to have a baby and already a son. He had it good and he went and did this and now he can think about it and rot in jail and be somebody's bee-otch.
Sad but true!
I had to laugh out loud at your parable, otherwise I would be crying out loud. By the way, I still have the pen they gave me!
Why is this so bad? It's true.
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this is true for me.
I have been sent to collections and told that I have to pay in full. I can not pay in full and regularly make small payments. I am still seeing physicians at the same entity and have to talk to a financial counselor at the visits every so often but I do not believe there is anything they can do as long as you make regular payments and show an effort.
Not true
I have a pointer mix that is pure muscle. When he gets his mind set to something, its pretty hard to stop him, which is why we train him constantly each and every day. If you are the pack leader, the animal will almost always listen to you, even in the heat of the moment. I have worked with trainers personally and seen dogs rehabilitated once they have an outlet for their frustration and have a packleader in place. Its against animal nature to go against the pack leader.
Lots of dog breeds are muscular and strong. Any dog can bite someone... don't kid yourselves that only pits are this way. The reason most people even draw on them as a "killer" breed is because of the media and because that is the way they are portrayed, but in the end (through my own personal experience and education) its the owners that are responsible for the dog. Good training and a knowledge of dog language/behavior/signs and signals is very very important.
Its pretty easy to just put the dog down though and take no responsibility as the owner. Its really easy to say... ohh, its the breed and lets ban it instead of doing to work to make sure that dogs or other animals can live as balanced members of a pack.
That's how people are though... whatever is easiest. 
True, but she is not going to get that much, - sm
maybe a few thousand, I'd put it at $5K tops, and that wouldn't go far. But irregardless I do see your point, and if she does sue and get mucho $$ then she should reimburse the insurance company and then it would be square and the rest would be pain and suffering which the daughter is clearly experiencing from her description. ---I had an experience years ago where I could have sued a doctor for malpractice and didn't, had all the records to back it up, but another doctor took care of me durin the incident (severe hemorraging a few hours after birth due to a mistake my birth doctor made) and fixed the issue and saved my life or at least my uterus. Had that not happened, yes, I would have gone for his throat and sued his butt off as I wanted more than 1 child (this was my first born)....the whole thing freaked me out for a while with the "what could have happened, etc." in the end though I just let it go and switched doctors to the one who saved me. But yes, people are sue happy, but sometimes it is warranted.
How many of you think this might be true
That young men marry women who look similar to their moms? I heard this once and I started to take note...
I'm beginning to think that maybe there is some truth to it...
So true!
Me too! I always figured I must be the only poor schmuck out there hooked on a product, because they pull it from the market!
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