What about Gay Rights and FOCA (abortion) then?
Posted By: sm on 2009-03-02
In Reply to: All 3 are crimes and participants should - be prosecuted heavily.
hmmmm?
We can legalize Gays and Abortion but prostitution, pot, marijuana etc. (much lesser evils) should be "prosecuted heavily", oh come on .... It's all about "feeling good". If gays 'feel good' with each other and teenage moms 'feel good' to abort then what's your issue with pot or marijuana users? Don't they have a right to feel good with all the economic benefits for government?
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If she'd had an abortion you would never even know about it.
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By not having an abortion.
Like I said, it's not ideal, but so many people are so judgemental toward people who have kids young - at least they didn't take the easy way out and get an abortion. I am not a pro lifer, but I do respect people who are willing to step up and raise their kids no matter what age they are. I have friends who were forced to have abortions by their parents because they got pregnant young because the parents were so afraid of what people would think, and that's not right either.
I don't think their mom is going to win any mother-of-the year awards, but if she didn't accept Jamie Lynn's decision than she greatly reduces her chances of having a good relationship with the grandchild. Babies are a gift - even when they aren't born into the perfect suburban home. I'm not saying teen pregnancy is a good thing, but it happened, and now she has to make the best of a tough situation.
I'm against abortion, as well.
If you're referring to recognizing their civil union as a marriage, I am against it.
If abortion is murder ...
How do you treat a woman who has had an abortion? Do you treat her differently from a woman who strangled her newborn? Or a woman who killed the neighbor lady because she wanted the neighbor man for her own?
nobody has taken your rights away...sm
however, I personally think you are wrong to think abortion is okay and that you don't believe in god. but that is none of my business either. I am not stopping you from doing what you want to do. But even though you do not believe in god, you must still have a conscience and know that killing another being is wrong. JMO. may god have mercy on your soul.
My rights
Okay, so the school takes the kids on a field trip to see the gay marriage of their teacher and this is a because the school considers it a learning experience? And so, too bad to those people whose religion this goes against. But if I were a teacher or ran a school and it was decided that we would be taking our children on a field trip to say a Christian church or maybe Israel where Jesus lived and died, you know totally as a learning experience and to teach them the history of a man that many people, even those who are not Christians, believed to have lived, there would be world wide riots! Parents would be spitting mad, the school would be sued, it would be national news and I would be fired. It would be againts people's beliefs and I would be "shoving my religion down their throats" and blah blah blah.
Being gay is a sin. I didn't come up with that God Our Father and Creator made that one up. The Bible speaks VERY plainly about it many times. Tolerance does NOT mean agreement. Tolerance is NOT accepting something that is wrong. Saying that it is wrong is NOT intolerance. I dont think that someone who is gay should be shunned, beaten, publically humiliated. That is tolerance.
I agree with abortion being a choice.
should everyone see an ultrasound beforehand? I am for the choice to do as you choose. I believe in freedom as well, but there are people out there that believe abortion is murder. That is all I was stating above there. What I am saying is that there are circumstances like some named in this thread that shall we say "warrant" an abortion, but those "rules" would need to be up to the lawmaker. Are we only talking about teenage pregnancies or pregnancies after the age of 45? What type of pregnancies are we talking about that the mother should look at the ultrasound beforehand? There would be a lot of ifs, ands, and buts, for this to become a law, wouldn't some agree? That is all I was stating there. I think this may have been misinterpreted. Of course, I believe a woman has the right to choose in regards to her own healthcare whether it be an abortion, a hysterectomy, or to have a fracture fixated. All the same to me. Sorry if I have offended anyone, but that is how I feel.
Anonymous question regarding abortion (sm)
With this being a major factor in the political arena right now I wanted to ask this:
For anyone who has ever had an abortion (and there are many of us), were/are you ok with it still or did you have a period of extreme guilt/anxiety over it? I had one and did not terribly regret it, other than a short grief period, until I actually had children. I went through about two years of horrible guilt and remorse. I am now pro-life. I feel an abortion kills an innocent child and causes emotional scars for the mother that will never go completely away. I feel that I am not deserving of complete happiness in my life, ever, because I denied my child the right to have a life and attempt to find happiness. I know my reasons at that time and I know I felt like it was something I had to do, but the fact is many of us had them to avoid the shame, embarassment and/or financial burden that we feared. We thought we couldn't give our child a decent life even if we had him/her. The thing is, for the small price of some embarassment/shame and inconvenience, we could have given a family without a child a chance to have a child to love and raise, we could have given that child an opportunity to grow and seek happiness, even with obstacles to overcome. Instead, many of us chose a more selfish route, convincing ourselves it was less selfish. Anyway, that's how I feel about it. How about you.
I'm pro-choice. Abortion is not murder. SM
Abortions are performed very early on in pregnancy. I'm afraid to say this, but basically, it is a lump of tissue. Women have to right to form their own opinion, but the idea a person is aborting a roly-poly fully formed baby is a crock. This is propaganda devised by right-winged fundamentalists, many of whom happen to be men.
I do believe in practicing safe sex, so abortion will not be needed. That is the ideal, but we are all only human.
No, I never had an abortion. I had my daughter at age 25, after being married 5 years. My daughter was married at 30 and had her first child at 31. We are both Pro Choice.
Whoever said abortion feels good? nm
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I agree..I would even, in this case, opt for abortion.....nm
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If you already have visitation rights. sm
Sounds like her rights to see her son are totally controlled by the dad.
You can but no one else can? Exercise those rights
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Gays have been trying to get rights
since the 1950's. Gays only want to be treated and have the same rights as heterosexuals. You have such hatred for gays that I feel sorry for you but then again, it is fear and ignorance that people such as yourself feel this way. There is a high suicide rate of gay children because of the bullying. We are no different than you and I can assure you we do not shove any type of agenda down your throats. I am sure you are the type that if your son or daughter came out to you, you would disown them. Now you tell me what kind of a parent is that? We pay our bills, taxes, own houses, etc., so what is so different from you and from me in daily living? So sad there are still homophobes this day and age.
Get over it. Abortion is legal, and American women
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I think I agree with you - first amendment rights.
Personally I would come down hard on the kid at home, but if I had to I would get ACLU to defend his right to say it.
What about 1st amend. rights of mom who posted
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I am exercising my first amendment rights!!
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Where are the rights of the child being told she has
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We are not talking about denying their rights. If anything
they would actually be getting more rights than heterosexual students because they would be getting a school designed for them. Plenty of heterosexual high schoolers are harrassed and bullied and nowhere is there a school dedicated to serving these kids. They are referred to counselors and support groups designed to teach them how to cope. It's segregation pure and simple, only now it's a minority group segrating itself from society. And let's not forget this isn't a private school where the homosexual students pay tuition, this is a public, state funded school. The cost of running this "special" school comes out of the pockets of all taxpayers. How is that fair? If they want their own school, it should be a private school that requires them and their families pay a tuition.
No matter what laws are made, if women want to get an abortion
then they will. I have a couple of abortions prior to a marriage and prior to my 2 children. I have never so called suffered because of my decision, in fact I was young and could not have taken care of any children. I do not regret this decision. Either legal or illegal, makes no difference in a woman making the decision to seak an abortion.
Don't you remember Ronald Reagan's stance on abortion? sm
It was "I'm PRO-CHOICE. If the unborn baby has a choice, I am PRO-CHOICE."
You are correct: The majority of people would NOT vote for abortion
But they WOULD vote FOR Reproductive Choice. Speaking of "activist judges" - how do you feel about the handful that installed a War Criminal in our Whitehouse?
Yes, but abortion would be only taking the budding tomatoe, not the whole plant.
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no, abortion is taking a HUMAN life with a soul.
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He gave up his parental rights; end of story.
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It is in the not-so-distant past that women had very few rights! (sm)
My mother was sexually abused by her stepfather - it was the 60s - she went to the police and they told her to go home. She ran away from home and they took her back. She told family members and they told her to keep it quiet. She eventually somehow pressed charges and took him to court...and the judge told her to go home and forget about it.
Actually I have a very good tenants' rights BOOK - sm
from Nolo Law. Mentions everything but the kitchen sink - EXCEPT renovation evictions. STILL, now what am I supposed to do when applying for a new apartment? All the applications ask if you've been evicted, and yet having lived here so long, none of my previous landlords is even ALIVE. Do they have to tell a prospective landlord I've been kicked out, even if it wasn't for doing anything wrong (except for living here too long)?
Debbie Rowe's rights are intact -
A judge ruled that there was no psychological evaluation done of her when she gave the kids to Michael and dropped the custody case, so even though she gave up custody, her parental rights were not legally severed.
She will be the one to benefit from this situation unless somebody else pays her off again.
Debbie Rowe's rights are intact -
A judge ruled that there was no psychological evaluation done of her when she gave the kids to Michael and dropped the custody case, so even though she gave up custody, her parental rights were not legally severed.
She will be the one to benefit from this situation unless somebody else pays her off again.
and the crime rate dropped 20 years after abortion was legalized
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The father has as much rights as the mother to make decisions....sm
about the child, gifts, etc. I know you want what is best for the child but it's really between your daughter and ex-son-in-law to discuss this. Even if your daughter doesn't want this, there's nothing she can do about it other than educate the child about how much candy to eat at once is appropriate.
read a Tenants Rights brochure for your answer
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Gays march for their rights to be involved with their long-time partners
health care should a drastic decision be made. It is usually a family member...even though we are the ones who take care of our partners when they are sick or dying. We fight for the right not to be thrown out of a shared house by the partner's parents. We want to honor our partner's wishes when they die as we are the ones who have spent years with them - not the family. These are just a few examples.
As far as your comment that we influence young people - that is absurd. All we want is to live our life and as pxmt said, be able to walk down the street without abusive comments, being assaulted, ridiculed, etc.
The school system is not segregating gay children - they are making it "gay friendly and teaching tolerance". Suicide is very high in gay children because of the parents who teach their children that it is evil and it is okay to bash a gay child. These schools are just trying to save the lives of young children.
As far as your comment that Christian's homes and churches are burned, sorry but I cannot recall one incident that I have read or saw on the news. Temples yes. As far as being assaulted for your beliefs, could it be because you stand in front of abortion clinics and gun down the doctors and nurses that come out or go into the clinic? Could it be that you bully the 15 and 16-year-olds who have been raped and want an abortion?
Sorry to say this, at least we (gays) are not violent and just want to be left alone.
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