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Update after discussion with hubby...sm

Posted By: Concerned parent on 2007-05-07
In Reply to: I have - clhmt

Don't worry clhmt... he has a "brainless" job - seriously but makes decent money doing it. (smile)

I did talk with him about it when he checked in on his lunch break and he's going to talk with his daughter about the note this evening. He's concerned about the "in and out" part as well but isn't convinced she has a problem because she has written negative notes to herself like this before... which in the past I've told him isn't normal and are cries for help but this is the worst one that has been found to date. I've pulled some info from the internet about bulemic patterns in teenagers to show him so hopefully he'll realize that I'm not just blowing smoke when I tell him that I'm concerned that she is bulemic. I just hope that he realizes that she has a problem and agrees to get her help, even if I just get him to agree to take her to a psychologist to discuss whether or not she has a problem.


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You know so many kids are spoiled... literally. They expect all these high dollar items and when they get out in the real world they don't have a clue how to cope without these and don't realize that they need to WORK, that things don't just come to them. My mother questioned me last week because I mentioned my son (12) has been saving his money to buy a computer. I also told him he will have to pay a friend of ours to install the computer so he can get all the parental things setup. I want him to start getting a taste of what it's like to pay for his own things. He will respect it more. Don't get me wrong... he got a Wii system for Christmas and he does have a cell phone which is a very basic phone, doesn't have all the extras on it, and I have explained to him when he gets out of the house that will be his responsibility to pay for. He does extra things around the house for me to help pay that monthly bill too. It's just a shame that not more kids are actually expected to work a bit for what they have. My kids don't get an allowance either. I figure this is their home too. We ALL pitch in. No one pays me to clean. LOL.

I try to teach my children that Christmas is about GIVING, not receiving. We gave some money to a couple families in our church anonymously around Thanksgiving so they could buy a little extra for their families for Christmas. Our children are aware we did this and also are aware that we keep this to ourselves. I want them to realize there are too many people who are trying hard just to live day to day and go without a lot of things because of financial situations. Our family has been blessed in big ways (we are not loaded but we have our jobs, we have our health, and we have loads of love)and I want our family to share with others.
If I were, we would not be having this discussion. I
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My mom and I have this discussion often.
They live at a 62-over apartment facility and always talk about the people who have kids but never see them and how bad they feel for those parents, and how thoughtless those children are.

One never knows what goes on behind closed doors. You don't know how those kids were treated growing up. Not every parent deserves to be taken care of by their children. I have friends that have left home at 18 and never looked back. Just because the old folks look sweet doesn't mean they were good parents.
Do a search on this here - big discussion:-)
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Have you thought about having a serious discussion?
Seriously - marriage is all about conversation and discussion and communication - do it now and teach your kids - you can agree to disagree even!!  Just because one wants another child and another one does not should not mean you automatically do it or don't do it - but you need to discuss and move on.
You are funny. Maybe this discussion
will help:

http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15898

You could always give it away if the stress is too much, LOL.

I don't do inside plants either.
BTW, we did have a discussion with the youth about
what they thought he!! would be like. My hubby and I also included our pastor just in case they had questions we didn't feel qualified to answer. Boy did we ever get some wonderful answers. I myself always imagine fire and unbearable heat. One suggested being all alone in a small dark place for eternity. One suggested that if you had an intense fear, for example spiders, you would spend eternity in a room full of them with them crawling all over your body. I think God wants us to use our imagination when we think of different things, after all he gave us the imagination to use.
Actually I am new to this discussion and I admire
you for sticking it out with your kids. There is a lot of discussion about staying or leaving when you have kids - if the fighting gets to be too much, etc., maybe you should get out - but I think the kids deserve the best you can give them - and at this point that is the two of you together. I split with mine for 9 months 15 years ago - had 4 kids at the time - 2 were his - my girls have never gotten over the fact I left Dad for a while - but it made us a stronger family unit - and I am so glad I did leave shortly and more happy that I came back. Best of luck to you!!
Here's a whole discussion of people
battling mice and rats, with some ideas.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/ipm/msg0118535629276.html
Discussion has been moved..thx (nm)
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You are CRAZY. end of discussion, you are in your own....nm
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Missed a lot of the discussion apparently - sm
What I don't understand is where you get that all unwed mothers are drug addicts or alcoholics.

That is not true at all. Sure, it happens to some but for you to lump unwed mothers into that category is terrible.

You don't know my personal circumstances. I don't know yours.

I'm just saying that I would like to help others that are in the same situation I was in way back when. Hopefully I would be able to help them so they don't have the struggles that I had.

Thankfully, my child and I were never homeless but I worked my tail off to make sure that didn't happen. I sometimes worked 2-3 jobs.

I also worked my way through school. I didn't get hand outs, didn't expect them either but it really would have been wonderful if someone was there to guide me to the things that I needed to do. Maybe it wouldn't have taken me so long to get to where I needed to be.

Absolutely nothing is free in this world and that would not be the point.

However, this is a dream we are talking about right? This isn't about socioeconomic dysfunction. It's about someone wanting to help someone else.
Please take this discussion to the Christianity board.
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I remember that big long discussion
It went on for quite awhile.  I still don't think it's a good idea considering how short of a time it's been around.  I remember reading an old old ad on the internet about DES and it showed a smiling baby and said something about using it for every pregnancy.  We all know how well that turned out.  I hope PA doesn't make it mandatory either, because I will also have to fight it. 
Discussion topic today
How on earth did you get custody of your deceased ex's cremated remains? Did you divorce him after he died? LOL
Probably because it was a valid discussion topic below.nm
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Since on this discussion another thing I tell them to put down for weight is
too much.
Bringing Lost discussion up to top of board (major spoiler alert)

Okay, all you "Lost" fanatics, what are your theories now, and how have they changed? Who or what is Jacob? How did the "original inhabitants" of the island get there? They are mostly Caucasians with American accents, with a few exceptions. They don't look like the usual types of people who are native inhabitants of Polynesian islands - if, indeed, that is where the island is.


Why were Jack and Juliet keeping secrets from the rest of the group? If they had been honest and up front from the beginning about Juliet, maybe they could have all figured out a way to foil Ben's plans without bloodshed.


And will the island heal Locke? Obviously he is of major importance - I don't think Ben heard Jacob at all, and he was jealous and afraid when he realized Locke heard him. That's why he shot him. Ben is turning out to be an even bigger weasel than before.


And what exactly was the Dharma Initiative studying? Does Ben really know? After all, he was only a "work man" like his father.


For every answer, there are a dozen new questions - at least!  


Heads up! The Gab board is for general discussion not to include MT, Religion, or Politics.
This was put into place when we very first set up the Gab board.  We have a Christianity, Conservatives, and Liberals forum that you can post on.  But, let me be clear. I do not condone trashing of anyone's religious preference and neither should you.  I expect posts on any of these forums to be respectful (that does NOT mean we are censoring, there IS a difference).  This is NOT open for debate. These are the rules.  If you can't respect them, you don't need to post here.
Thanks for the update. I'm sorry about
your brother and his family. What a shame. I'm glad Sasha had a good day. It must be really hard for you, because you probably want to pour your heart out to your brother about Misha, but you probably don't feel comfortable doing that with his loss, too. Well, I'll be thinking about you and sending up prayers, now for your whole family. I hope tomorrow is a better day, and so on, and so on.
Thanks for the update
Hi Stephanie. Glad to hear that your trip to the doctor was helpful. I know I really need to
get into the exercise too. Never was that big on exercise before, but now with the pain and fatigue, it is really hard to get motivated. I will just have to force myself. Yuck!!!

Update
I should add that I already get weekly massages and have for the last 4 years. My therapist has been advising me to try chiro for about 3 of those years. Of course, I waited until I really hurt before I went! I asked a friend of mine where she was going and she said that she really trusted him, so I decided to try where she goes. He took a detailed history and 2 x-rays. He also gave me a little adjustment, which has helped a little. It was just gentle pressure. I go back tomorrow to see about a treatment plan.

Thank you very much to everyone who offered suggestions of what to look for. Your back is really nothing to mess around with!
Update on dog from below sm
The poor thing died. I'm so heartsick. The police want an official statement from all of us who saw this morning (there were 4 of us). The owner said her dog was "poisoned."  I'm going up to the station in a while to talk with the chief.  I'll have more information later.
Update on my vet job
So I started out just cleaning nights and giving the animals fluids/meds on the weekends and cleaning more.  One of the day girls fell down some stairs so the vet asked me to fill in for her.  I got a crash course in doing anesthesia!  I really like it but have had a couple animals stop breathing a few times and one his heart actually stopped.  I almost peed my pants when that happened.  I also got to do x-rays and an EKG on a dog Monday.  If only this job paid better than transcription 
Update......

Well, I just checked my account again and the $2420 is back in the account due to non-sufficient funds.  There is, however, a $34 non-sufficient funds fee that will be refunded back to me after the dispute is over.  I know that in the big picture of things this does not sound like a lot of money, but it's my money I worked for and intend to get back.  I also called the bank back and made sure that PayPal could not try to take out the money again since it was reversed due to NSF.  After the dispute and we know more information, I can totally freeze PayPal from ever taking any money out of my account again.  Right now it can only be done for the exact amount they tried to take out yesterday.  I also told PayPal to take every bit of information they had on me out of their system, that I would never be needing their services again. 


The scammers just didn't count on me being a poor working girl with little money left at the end of the month.  Maybe they should give working a try instead of trying to steal other people's hard-earned money. 


Thank you all for your replies.  This just makes me all the more aware of what I am doing on-line.  I have bought many items on-line, and this is the first time anything like this has happened to me.  If they hadn't been so greedy, I probably would have had to wait out the whole ten days. 


 


 


 


Thank you for the update sm
I started to ask yesterday but didn't send my post through because I thought it might be to painful. Please know that many here are thinking about you. Prayers.
Thanks for the update. That was
enjoyable to read.

Sounds like the birds appreciate each other already.

Yesterday I had a great time watching several cardinals bathing in my sprinkler. It is so hot that they stayed in the water for hours. My impatiens appreciated the extra-long shower they received because the cardinals were so cute. It's not my day to water today, but the cardinals show up now and then, hoping.

They ignore the shallow birdbath.
Thank you for the update

At least the police know about the situation. Maybe they can have a talk with the owners when they return.


If you know anyone who doesn't live in your neighborhood who would like to have a sheltie - you know, if it were me, I would give it to them. The neighbors have been gone so long, if the dog disappears one night, who is to say what happened, right? They don't deserve to have a dog if they are going to treat it this way.


JMHO


thanks for update

Hi Trose,


Glad you called your brother and went to your doc today....ERs on the wknd are rough.  Hope you get feeling better soon.   Keep us all updated.   Cat  


Update...
First of all, thanks to everyone for their thoughts.

I went to the hospital myself and began asking questions of the charge nurse. She was very helpful and reviewed the chart and also got on the phone to the various doctors to answer my questions.

The problem is not what I thought it was. He WAS evaluated by a doctor and even had a CT scan in the first 30 minutes after he was admitted. None of the family knew this as no one had made it to the hospital at this point. Apparently, FIL just did not remember this. I guess the moral to this is do not let a patient out of your sight even for a short period of time.

He is being kept n.p.o. due to the head injury and in case they needed to operate (which by the way they are doing tomorrow to relieve compression on the spinal cord.) He was not given dextrose through his IV because of its potential to cause swelling, which is not a desired effect in a patient with a head injury. He did get food trays today, but will not receive anything else until after his surgery first thing in the morning.

Thanks again for everyone's recommendations.
An update...

Well, I had a heart to heart with my daughter yesterday.  I broke down in tears and just told her how disappointed I was in her decision to become sexually active and how my heart was broken for her.  She cried and said she didn't want to do it again, so I hope she was being honest with me.  I found out more disturbing information on her loser boyfriend having to do with some legal trouble he's been in.  We are giving her a chance to break up with him (she doesn't know that we know about the probation, arrests, etc.), but if she doesn't, we may press charges against him, just to get rid of the loser. 


Backtracking a bit, our son works for the sheriff's department, along with a lot of his buddies, who did some checking on this guy, and dug up a laundry list of trouble he's been in.  Our son is talking to our daughter today, telling her what he knows, and giving her til tonight to break it off completely with this guy, or he's telling her he'll file charges himself against this boy.  He's already checked it all out and there are things we can get him on, but we really, REALLY don't want to go this route.  It would be so hard on our daughter.  I just want the boyfriend to disappear, go away, and leave her alone.  So now, it's not so much about s-e-x anymore, but about her getting herself into some legal trouble by association with this idiot. 


AND...his mother told my DD's best friend and my DD that she would LIE TO US about the whole situation if need be.  How can a mother allow a girl to hang out with her loser, ex-con son??? It is beyond me...if it were my son, I'd tell the girl to run, not walk, away from him, he's nothing but trouble. 


Anyway, thanks y'all so much for the support and advice.  I think I handled it ok.  I think she was shocked and surprised at how upset I was.  I just admitted to her that I didn't expect this so soon, that I really didn't know how to handle it, and that I was disappointed in her actions, BUT that her father and I both love her very, very much and we will always be here for her, no matter what happens. 


It was really emotional, but good I think for the both of us.  Her 2 best friends came in in the middle of it all, and they too spilled their guts to her, so that helped also. We all cried and laughed, and talked.  BTW, I don't mention her father much, but he's here...we're married and living together...all 3 of my kids have the same father.  We've been married over 20 years now.  He's mad, upset, disappointed, and just chomping at the bit to get his hands around this kid's throat, of course...that's how men handle things, right? But overall, he's been great. 


Thanks again, y'all!


Thanks for the update...sm

Hi Deb,


I'll check in with his mom's web page to see what kinda hats he prefers (baseball caps, knit caps, perhaps something felt, really funky like they wear at ski resorts, doo rags or those little wrap caps with flames that bikers sport) and what states he's already gotten hats from....Don't want to duplicate or bore him.    Cat    


Update
She came home from school today in a much better state of mind with regards to physics class. She spoke to her teacher who explained things a lot better not only to her, but to the whole class (she isn't the only one who was having problems). She had homework tonight that she did with just one question for her father. For now I'm going to let her stay in the class, but I'm going to keep checking up on her, and see what happens after her first test. Thank you all for all your help and advice.
update....sm
My husband does not know it yet, but we have a meeting tonight with the other parties involved. I have to see this woman's face so that I know what she looks like so I will know if she is anywhere we are. Both sides have agreed to no fighting or arguing. We, meaning me and the other husband, are interested in seeing the other person because we have both been thinking when we walk down the street, is that her/him??

I have booked an appointment for marriage counseling but we can't get in until Jan. 8th, and I have myself on the cancellation list to get in sooner if possible to talk to someone earlier if they have an opening.

Thanks again for all the support. I really appreciate it and thanks to all who have cared enough to e-mail as well.
update
They found this girl, dead, and are investigating it as a homicide.
oh and BTW --- update
Since her surgery probably 4 years ago, she's had a breast reduction and whatever that is that gets rid of all the loose skin on the belly. And she did some eye stuff too. Her husband is happy and she looks fabulous!!
update on above...sm
I did a search for this item. It is called *Mighty Putty* and it is for sale at 24.95, although I am sure you could possibly get it cheaper.
Update
Well we finally talked about it yesterday. Lately he's been picking these fights with me and he did yesterday. Like he got mad at me because I by mistake kicked him in the bed. I was asleep! I don't even remember it but anyways...he left mad and so I left and went to my parents. So he calls me and we talk and he tells me he has something he wants to talk about when i get home...i tell him i already know about it. he says the reason he called those numbers was to get back at me. I was like, to get back at me for what?! B/c about 3 months ago, he nosed into my yahoo messenger archives and seen where i had been chatting with my guy friends. big deal! it's just as friends. but he acts like i can't talk to anyone. and i told him well you ran up 150.00 on the cell phone and all he would say is yep all smug sounding. i wanted to punch him right through the phone. but he swears he didn't talk to anyone...he just listened to the little personal introductory messages and that he would never cheat on me. i don't see why he would have to call 30 different numbers to get back at me but whatever. i feel that it's childish and juvenile of him to do that and i also don't really believe that reason. but he is my husband and i love him and i want to trust him. so i told him to never do it again. we'll see how it goes.
Thanks for the update. . . sm
I'm sorry he is being so childish. It still sounds hard to believe. If my husband caught me chatting with male friends, he would probably get angry and have the internet turned off. I don't think it would ever occur to him to call a sex chat line (especially a male sex chatline!) to get back at me. Hopefully, this is the end of his childish behavior and you can move on. Good luck!
just an update.....sm
I posted back in December about finding out my husband was having an emotional affair.

I just wanted to post again and let you all know that we are in counseling and it is really helping us. We are communicating better than we have in years. My husband is realizing just how much he hurt me by his actions and I believe he is truly remorseful. We still have a long way to go. I still am having trust issues but he is doing pretty good at keeping in touch and letting me know where he is and what he is doing.

Thanks again for all the advice and e-mails.

Have a great weekend.
Here is an update
It seems like it is looking more and more like he was playing the "strangulation game" and died accidentally.

This happened on a Thursday night and he had made plans to go out with friends on Friday night just a short time earlier.

There was no note, nothing on his myspace page, or any other reason to suspect it was suicide.

Either way it is a terrible tragedy.

Can anyone explain to me how a person can "play the strangulation game" (the way it is worded really creeps me out) by themseleves. I asked my 17yr old and my 15yr old and neither could tell me. I hope that is good thing.
UPDATE
he does have the flu. that swab put tears in his eyes. Thanks for the advice.
thanks for the update sm
I do not watch Oprah since I am usually working when her show goes on.  I felt bad for the family that was promised the money. I am sure the guy (cannot remember his name) felt bad also.   I am glad it all turned out great at the end. 
Update on son

Once again I thank all of you for your responses.  We (DH and I, with son) went to the therapist today.  We did not tell our son about the appointment.  We just checked him out of school. I really thought there would be a lot of drama but he went very willingly.  My biggest fear after reading the post on his myspace was suicide.  I myself have a history of deep depression and at 18 tried to commit suicide.  Anyway, I liked the therapist immediately. 


After a bit of discussion with my son he asked me why I thought he needed to be here.  I told him about what I read on myspace but since making the appointment I found out a few other things.  I talked with each of his 3 closest friends separatley and they all told me very similar things.  My son is 5Ǝ and weighs about 125lbs.  In my opinion this kid is an incredibly healthy eater for the most part, but take him to a Chinese buffet and he eats 2 to 4 plates full.  Same thing with lasagna, he can't get enough.  He has never said a word to us when we are together as a family about eating too much, but when he is with his friends eating out, which is at least once a week or more, he always talks about how fat he is and even sometimes says oh I ate so much I have to go throw up now.  They also talked about his moodiness but just sort of thought, we all go through those days, which I agree.


When I told this to the therapist in front of my son he kept saying it was a joke.  Well, 2 of his friends are very overweight.  I asked him how he could joke about this in front of them.  He just kept saying, just like about the myspace post, it is just a joke.  Obviously there is more going on here. 


He then talked with the therapist alone for about 30 minutes.  We took him to lunch afterwards and I asked him if there was anything he wanted to talk about and he shrugged his shoulders and acted like what in particular should we talk about, so I let it drop.  We took him back to school and he did tell me he loved me before he got out of the car (I said it first and it is something we say in our family all the time).  After school he seemed fine but only had a few minutes because he had to get to tennis. 


I think possibly I over reacted to the threat of suicide, but I am now afraid of an eating disorder.  His bedroom and bathroom are in the basement so if he is thowing up I am definitely not aware of it. 


Yes I will definitely be more aware of his actions after we eat together and it really sucks that I have no idea what he and the therapist talked about, but I do feel better for having followed through with the appointment.  We go back in about 10 days so I feel the doc does not think he is about to harm himself.  As a matter of fact he told my son in front of us that everything they discussed he could not tell me unless he thought there was a possibility of him harming himself. 


Gosh guys, this is soooo long again.  If I didn't have you I don't know who I would talk to.  Thanks!


Update sm

I just talked to my daughter's teacher.  She is really nice.  I told her about the situation and that I was concerned, especially since the mom hung up on me.  She told me she kept an eye on them in class and at lunch the girls sat together, and there were no problems as far as she could see.


She felt I did the right thing by attempting to talk to the mother and also contacting her to let her know what was going on.  She seemed to think that the "friend" has a problem sharing my daughter with the other girls and that she is a one friend type of girl. 


The teacher said she won't contact the "friend's" mom at this time because it could escalate things and I agreed with that. 


The "friend" may be going to another school next year (they're currently in private school).  She also said she was going to make a note that they not be in the same class next year in case she comes back next year.


I'm definitely happy about that!


Update

Some of you may recall a few weeks ago when I posted about getting into a verbal altercation with the mother of a child on the opposing team.  I just wanted to give those of you who commented an update.  We played that team again yesterday and the mother was there standing where I normally stand.  I chose this time to stand on the opposite side of the field, even though my view was a little obstructed.  I said nothing to her the entire game and didn't even look her way when I passed her on my way to the concession stand.  I took your advice and kept my mouth shut.  We lost the game, but that's okay because I had the chance firsthand to see the embarrassment a child suffers when parents get out of control


Earlier this week, it was team picture night.  The mother of the child on the opposing team was there, as was her husband who is one of the assistant coaches for their team.  He made a nasty comment about the manager of his own team (using 4-letter words in front of the team) because the manager didn't realize he would be in the team pictures (he just thought they were individual) and the manager of his team "fired" him from his assistant coaching position.  So instead of just his mom standing in my usual spot, his dad was there, too.  I can only imagine the embarrassment their child must have felt because his dad was not on the field. 


I know now that my actions could have caused me to be suspended from even watching a game or 2.  I wouldn't want to hurt my kids like that.  So thanks to all for your good advice.  I have spent the last several weeks videotaping my kids rather than worrying about who's winning and who's losing. 


UPDATE ON MY CAR sm

i took my car to my mechanic today and he said it's a bad sensor on one of my tires and that sensor is also making my abs light come.  it's going to cost $300 to get that fixed.  it's something that is not dangerous, but it is annoying.  just thought i'd pass this along in case any of ya's come across this problem.


 


UPDATE.....sm

After discussing the subject with my husband and coming up with the right words to say, I have spoken with my MIL and there will be NO MORE 4-wheeler rides.  What a relief!  And talking to her about it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.  I just hope she sticks to it.  I told her I would bring the stroller along from now on, and she can my daughter around the yard in that instead.  I feel much better for now, but I'm sure there will be more battles like this in the future.  I will just have to remind her that I am the mother, and when it comes to my daughter, it's my way or no way.  :)


update

Well, 4 hours was probably too harsh to expect an 8-year-old to sit on a chair.  He sat for about 1/2 hour.  Then I went out and talked to him.  My husband is not physical in any way.  He has never laid a finger on me and he rarely even argues back with me.  If anything, I'm the one with the temper.  However, I don't walk around smacking my kids or anything like that.  I've always tried to remain calm when correcting my kids, but lately, this kid really pushes my buttons.  We have spanked our kids when younger, nothing more than a tap or 2 on the bottom.  It probably hurt their pride more anything.  However, we've come to the realization that spankings just don't work, especially as they get older.  My other 2 kids don't have this problem with controlling their tempers.


I seriously think he just is impulsive.  He's always been that way.  I basically told him that we all have to be in control of our own bodies and that sometimes it's hard to control, but we have to learn how.  I also told him that I know that he knows how because he does it in school.  He's never been in any real trouble at school.  I also told him that I loved him but that his behavior upsets the whole house.  He has to learn to get in control of it and to get used to people telling him what to do.  He resists authority; he likes to think he's in charge.  In the end, I left him off the chair after about 40 minutes total and gave him a hug.  I told him I loved him and asked him to apologize to his brother, which he did.  He's been fine ever since and that was 2 hours ago.  I know it's never over, but at least this one is.


Thanks for the support. 


thanks for the update
I have been thinking of you and of course wish you the best.
Update...
Just got an e-mail response back from the lawyer regarding why the CDs and/or life insurance policies had not been changed and I quote: "When I met with your grandfather, we changed his will and I explained to him that the will would only deal with assets that passed through the probate court. That assets such as CDs and life insurance policies that had direct beneficiaries would pass to whomever was listed. Apparently he did not change the payable on death CD beneficiaries or the beneficiaries on his life insurance polices. Those decisions were left up to him." So sounds to me like someone dropped the ball (i.e., aunt as she was taking care of my grandfather's finances) and he was having trouble with his memory in the last few years.