US Soldier Kills 4 Fellow Troops Before Killing Himself At US Base In Iraq
Posted By: sm on 2009-05-12
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***UPDATE*** The Associated Press reveals more details about the shooter:
The suspect had been disarmed after an earlier incident at the center but returned with another weapon, according to a senior military official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation into the shootings was ongoing.
***UPDATE*** The American soldier who shot dead five fellow soldiers at a U.S. base in Baghdad is in custody.
"The shooter is a US soldier and he is in custody," US marine corps lieutenant Tom Garnett, a US military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters.
The New York Times adds some perspective to the tragedy:
The killings appeared to be the worst case of soldier-on-soldier violence among the American forces based in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago.
The shootings, which took place at a stress clinic, highlight the problem of post-traumatic stress disorder among U.S. soldiers, notes the Guardian:
Stress is one of the biggest killers of US soldiers in Iraq. About a fifth of all US troops are thought to be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, contributing to high divorce and suicide rates. An estimated one fifth of the 4,292 members of the US force in Iraq have died from non-combat causes, either in accidents or from suicide.
***UPDATE*** According to Fox News, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs Monday relayed President Obama's response to the tragedy. Obama expressed shock and sadness and is promising to fully investigate what exactly transpired at Camp Liberty, so as to prevent such incidents in the future.
***UPDATE*** AP has another update. The shooting was at a 'stress clinic':
Pentagon officials say five Americans are dead after a U.S. soldier opened fire at a U.S. base in Baghdad. They say the attacker is in custody.
The officials say the shootings happened on Camp Liberty at a stress clinic, where troops can go for help with the stresses of combat or stress from personal issues.
One senior military official in Washington says it's unclear whether those killed are workers at the clinic or were there for counseling. He says officials also are unsure whether all the dead are members of the military.
***UPDATE*** ABC News reports that the U.S. soldier who attacked fellow troops on a U.S, base in Iraq has killed five of them and is now in custody. Initial reports suggested that he had turned the gun on himself after his rampage.
***UPDATE*** AP now reports that the U.S. soldier who went on a rampage against his fellow troops in Iraq may have survived the incident:
Pentagon officials say five U.S. soldiers are dead after an American soldier opened fire at a U.S. base in Baghdad.
The officials say the shootings happened Monday at Camp Liberty near Baghdad's airport.
One senior military official in Washington said it was not yet clear whether the shooter was among the dead. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the circumstances surrounding the deaths are under investigation.
Initial reports indicated the Army soldier shot several others, then turned the gun on himself. But it was unclear whether he, too, had died.
***UPDATE*** CNN reports that 3 other U.S. soldiers were wounded during the friendly fire incident that has left 5 U.S. troops dead. An American soldier killed 4 of his fellow troops before killing himself.
According to the Washington Post, it is the single greatest loss of life in a single incident involving U.S. soldiers since a truck bomb last month took the lives of 5 American soldiers.
***UPDATE*** CNN has just sent out a breaking news alert reporting that senior defense officials have told the network that a US soldier killed 4 of his fellow troops before killing himself. Check back for more information.
McClatchy is reporting that a shooting at a U.S. base in Baghdad has left 5 soldiers dead. The shooting occurred at Camp Liberty, a base near the Baghdad airport.
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Question for sending to troops in Iraq (sm)
I want to send my cousin a care package for Christmas but want to know if there is a list of things I cannot send. Can anyone help me out?
TIA!
Troops in Iraq throw a puppy off of a cliff.
Marine Corps Base Hawaii is investigating a shocking video of a smiling Marine throwing a puppy off the top of a steep hillside in Iraq into a gully below.
The video today gained widespread attention and condemnation on the Internet.
"The video is shocking and deplorable and is contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine," the Kane'ohe Bay base said in a release.
Base officials said the video came to their attention this morning. An investigation has been initiated. Maj. Chris Perrine, a Marine spokesman here, said "it's looking like" the Marine is based out of Hawai'i.
"We do not tolerate this type of behavior and will take appropriate action," the base said.
Two Marines are seen in combat gear smiling as one holds a white-and-black puppy by the scruff of its neck. The dog seems to be about 8 weeks old and is motionless as it is held.
"Cute little puppy, huh?" says one Marine as he smiles broadly.
"Oh so cute, so cute, little puppy," says another in a child-like voice.
The Marine holding the puppy is then seen throwing the animal overhand into a desert-like gully below. The animal yelps until it thuds to the ground at the bottom of the gully.
"That's mean," one Marine says afterward.
The 2nd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment of about 1,000 Hawai'i Marines recently replaced a sister unit in Iraq, the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment.
Marine Corps Base Hawai'i said the vast majority of Marines "conduct their duties in an honorable manner that brings great credit upon the Marine Corps and the United States."
There have been numerous stories of Marines adopting pets and bringing them home from Iraq or helping to arrange life-saving medical care for Iraqi children. Those are the stories that exemplify what we stand for and how most Marines behave."
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The video is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlCiUMoFu84
(Safe for work because it's blurry, but still very disturbing)
Some people have claimed it's possible the video is fake, but it doesn't seem likely.
Really, really sick.
This kind of twisted lack of humanity seems to stem partially from the brutal brainwashing soldiers go through in bootcamp, combined with the severe emotional stress of the field.
Whoever those guys are, I hope they're both discharged immediately, but I also hope they receive serious emotional help.
At the base of the finger or at the base of the palm near the wrist? nm
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soldier's option
Of course they can deny things but the soldier also has the option of fighting that which they deny by going to the IG, inspector general, of the base. There will be a hearing and more than not, the solider will get what they need, especially in a case as this woman's.
athiest soldier doesn't believe in God but
I commend for this man for standing up for what he doesn't believe in!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352703,00.html
JUNCTION CITY, Kan. — Like hundreds of young men joining the Army in recent years, Jeremy Hall professes a desire to serve his country while it fights terrorism.
But the short and soft-spoken specialist is at the center of a legal controversy. He has filed a lawsuit alleging he's been harassed and his constitutional rights have been violated because he doesn't believe in God. The suit names Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
"I'm not in it for cash," Hall said. "I want no one else to go what I went through."
Known as "the atheist guy," Hall has been called immoral, a devil worshipper and — just as severe to some soldiers — gay, none of which, he says, is true. Hall even drove fellow soldiers to church in Iraq and paused while they prayed before meals.
"I see a name and rank and United States flag on their shoulder. That's what I believe everyone else should see," he said.
Hall, 23, was raised in a Protestant family in North Carolina and dropped out of school before earning his GED. It wasn't until after he joined the Army that he began questioning religion, eventually deciding he couldn't follow any faith.
But he feared how that would look to other soldiers.
"I was ashamed to say that I was an atheist," Hall said.
It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.
"I said, 'No, but I believe in Plexiglas,"' Hall said. "I've never believed I was going to a happy place. You get one life. When I die, I'm worm food."
The issue came to a head when, according to Hall, a superior officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, threatened to bring charges against him for trying to hold a meeting of atheists in Iraq. Welborn has denied Hall's allegations.
Hall said he had had enough but feared he wouldn't get support from Welborn's superiors. He turned to Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
Weinstein is the foundation's president and a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate. He had previously sued the Air Force for acts he said illegally imposed Christianity on students at the academy, though that case was dismissed. He calls Hall a hero.
"The average American doesn't have enough intestinal fortitude to tell someone to shut up if they are talking in a movie theater," Weinstein said. "You know how hard it is to take on your chain of command? This isn't the shift manager at KFC."
Hall was in Qatar when the lawsuit was filed on Sept. 18 in federal court in Kansas City, Kan. Other soldiers learned of it and he feared for his own safety. Once, Hall said, a group of soldiers followed him, harassing him, but no one did anything to make it stop.
The Army told him it couldn't protect him and sent him back to Fort Riley. He resumed duties with a military police battalion. He believes his promotion to sergeant has been blocked because of his lawsuit, but he is a team leader responsible for two junior enlisted soldiers.
No one with Fort Riley, the Army or Defense Department would comment about Hall or the lawsuit. Each issued statements saying that discrimination will not be tolerated regardless of race, religion or gender.
"The Department respects (and supports by its policy) the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs," said Eileen Lainez, a spokeswoman for the Department of Defense.
All three organizations said existing systems help soldiers "address and resolve any perceived unfair treatment."
Lt. Col. David Shurtleff, a Fort Riley chaplain, declined to discuss Hall's case but said chaplains accommodate all faiths as best they can. In most cases, religious issues can be worked out without jeopardizing military operations.
"When you're in Afghanistan and an IED blows up a Humvee, they aren't asking about a wounded soldier's faith," Shurtleff said.
Hall said he enjoys being a team leader but has been told that having faith would make him a better leader.
"I will take care of my soldiers. Nowhere does it say I have to pray with my soldiers, but I do have to make sure my soldiers' religious needs are met," he said.
"Religion brings comfort to a lot of people," he said. "Personally, I don't want it or need it. But I'm not going to get down on anybody else for it."
Hall leaves the Army in April 2009. He would like to find work with the National Park Service or Environmental Protection Agency, anything outdoors.
"I hope this doesn't define me," Hall said of his lawsuit. "It's just about time somebody said something."
Soldier's dogs return home
Great story, check it out.
http://news.bestfriends.org/index.cfm?page=news&fps=1&mode=entry&entry=FA3D3099-19B9-B9D5-9DC0160C0FBA533A
Tribute to our troops
Please remember our soldiers and their families this holiday season. Bless them all.
http://pcsuccess.us/yrg/farewellmarine_final.swf
We always send a huge box of goodies to the troops!
I include a card telling them how very appreciative our family is for what they are doing and that they are not forgotten!
Here is another sad story--kills dog and daughter - sm
Pa. dad charged in infant daughter's shaking death
Published: 2/28/09, 4:46 PM EDT
ERIE, Pa. (AP) - A man irate that the family dog defecated on the floor kicked the animal to its death, then killed his 5-month-old daughter by shaking her when she cried, police said.
Vincent Davis, 24, of Erie, was charged Friday with homicide in the death of Savonnia Davis. He also was charged with aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, endangering the welfare of a child and cruelty to animals.
Police said Davis initially told them the girl slipped from his hands as he was changing her diaper. He later admitted shaking her, police said.
Savonnia died at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh on Thursday, two days after she was shaken. Doctors and a forensic pathologist said she had broken ribs, fluid on the brain, and cuts and bruises.
Police found the dog's body in a trash bag on Davis' girlfriend's porch.
Davis was being held without bail. Police did not know whether he had an attorney and the jail had no record of his representation.-----------------------------
What a sick SOB, hope he fries, though don't think PA has the death penalty.
Hemp Kills Cancer
Check this out, these people claim to be cured from their cancer by using THC oil.
http://www.youtube.com/chrychek "Run From the Cure-The Rick Simpson Story" (if you look on the left column there are PubMed Study numbers you can check to back this up)
Simple FAQ's if you don't want to watch the video:
http://sites.google.com/site/phoenixtearsmovie/faq
My friend sent me this info recently, what do you all think about this?
BTW, Rick Simpson makes and gives the medicine away for free (he's not looking to make money on this or "scam" people)
Grant's Kills Ants has worked for me. (sm)
They take the bait back to the queen and it kills her, and then the entire colony.
We just sprayed the perimeter of our house with Ortho Home Defense Max and it killed literally thousands at the site where they were getting into the house (they came out and died near the site - yuck!). So far, so good! It says you can spray it inside too, but I'm like you...I don't like to spray that stuff indoors.
Good luck!
It's not healthy to base your happiness on another person
I'm not trying to be mean or judge, but I just don't understand why women do this. You should never be this "into" a guy, it's just not healthy. You really need to get into counseling or try to fill that void in your life with church/God/Christianity, anything that makes you happy. Find out what makes you happy (in a healthy way) and pursue that. I've been married 10 years to a wonderful man who is honestly my best friend and I would be very sad if our relationship ended, but I wouldn't be devastated and I know that I'm a strong enough woman that I would get through it just fine. To honestly have a healthy relationship, you should be completely happy and whole on your own and you shouldn't need another person to make you feel happy. I pray that you find whatever it is that you're seeking, but trust me, you'll never find it through another person.
IMHO school and teacher were about as far off base as you can go...
Anytime you work around another person, you subject yourself to being called names. The "American Public" needs to suck it up a bit. If a teacher can't handle being called a name behind his/her back, he/she has no business being a teacher or in any position of authority. Bosses get called names behind their backs all the time BY ADULTS who are quite well behaved, and children are notorious for wearing their emotions on their sleeves.
Had there been a threat involved, had it been done on school property, or had the kid called the name to the face (insubordination), then the school would have had a complaint. In the absence of any of the above, school has no business there.
Were it my kid, I would explain discretion and drive on. Some of my kid's teachers have been *****es, and I have no problem with calling a spade a spade, but I do have issues with insubordination. A personal blog from home is in no way insubordination at school.
FLAME AWAY, but the kid has as much right to state her opinion as anyone else, and sometimes the truth hurts. I'm fat. I accept that. If someone points it out to me, it hurts my feelings, but it doesn't make me skinny. BTW, I'm also a b***h in certain circumstances, and have no desire to change. As a society, we need to quit being afraid someone isn't going to like us or might call us a name and realize we're no better than spinach in that some folks will like us and some won't, and that should not change our individual purposes a single bit. Used to be we were taught "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me". Now we've decided that words are as bad as sticks and stones. When you cause someone to swallow their feelings long enough, something's going to break, and then you'll be lucky to just get sticks and stones. IMHO, this is where the root of much of the violence is, and if we'd quit trying to be Orwell's Thought Police, we might actually see a reduction in violence, suicide, and depression.
Grant's Kills Ants is the only thing that has worked for me.
Don't know if it depends on the type of ant, but I tried everything and then tried Grant's Kills Ants ant stakes and they worked! Good luck! I hate ants!
I have also heard that washing with dog/cat flea shampoo kills them although I have never tried it.
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We silicone a key under the wiper blade base. Can't see it at all! Saved our butts
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Agree. Wouldn't base $1000s decsion on infor from different parts
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You guys are killing me...LOL!!!!
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You guyz are killing me
What a hoot!!!!!
All of the above, plus killing a spider
plus Friday the 13th, plus putting shoes on a table, plus stepping on cracks in sidewalk, plus handing someone a pin! Um, just a lil' bit. LOL
Supposedly killing a spider
brings bad luck.
I always end up spilling coffee on mine and killing them
Either that, or they slowly fill up with cat hair, and die a slow, lingering death by asphyxiation.........
guess you are a vegan too, since killing cows - sm
and pigs is murder, then again eating the vegetable is murder too since you are killing a living thing. We can twist this 1000 different ways.
Wow - birth control = killing embryos? sm
I hope you're not holding your breath waiting for Mensa to invite you to join, or we'll be calling you "Old Blue".
Dog killing and mayor involved in letter writing
I am really in a twizzy this morning. Shirley Franklin, city of Atlanta mayor, wrote a letter to the judge involved in the Michael Vick dog fighting/killing asking for leniency as, how she put it, Vick had done a lot for the community and helped folks out. Phooey!!! I hope personally he never is able to return to the Falcons or any other football team. I think whatever he was able to accomplish was blown by the fact that he participated in the killing of dogs. How inhumane is that? I hope PETA gets out and strikes each and every time (if he is rehired by any jackoffs) he is supposed to be playing. Came from the ghetto and I suppose the thug still in him. What a shame. Never made a million in my life and he made mega millions and then threw it all away for ??? I am vexed by her doing such a deed and will send letter stating my feelings.
iraq/daughter
Bless your heart.....I hope she fares well....I've a young man who was in Behran at the height of it....came back somber and shell-shocked and can be called back up any day now. I don't think it's right to be expected do 3 tours of duty with this "volunteer" army,navy, marine corps,air force, coast guard, national guard. Send the big-wig politician's kids in to do it, darn it! Perhaps you're daughter willl reconsider. My prayers are with you. Cat
Iraq gifts sm
Again, cannot emphasize enough the importance of these guys and gals giving their lives so we can live free. Just imagine some terrorist knocking at your door! Gosh, these guys are OUR guys who are offering their lives for us, and will not ask for a thing. The operative word here is NOTHING, is which they ask for. Let's send them lots of SOMETHING! My opeative word is FIRST which is them. Let's get some dialogue going. No negative postings please! Let's just emphasize our GUYS AND GALS who will not be home for CHRISTmas!!!!!!!! I'm ready to give, are you?? Only legit please, we have a brain!
My son served in Iraq and he said he liked
The deck of cards I sent the best! That was sort of an add-in at the last minute to fill space in the box, yet he got the most use out of that.
He also liked the puzzle books and hard candy.
Well fellow MTs
I'm working away (it's 10:30 p.m. PST) and just wanted to wish all my fellow MTs a lovely Tuesday evening. May your shift be filled with more than enough work courtesy of outstanding clinicians doing the dictation.
Have a fabulous evening 
Heard from my nephew in Iraq!
I have written briefly about my 19-year-old nephew who is involved in this latest operation in Baghdad to route Al-Qaeda insurgents. Since it had been announced that his Division/Brigade was one of the primary groups in this action, we've all been just sick with worry. I just wanted to let you guys know that I had a very brief "I'm ok" email from him last night. He can't really say what he's doing or anything (naturally) but we're just sop happy to hear that he's okay. I can't think when I've been happier to open an email in my life! So I just wanted to share that happy news and to thank those of you who are praying/sending good thoughts/etc. for all of our troops. It means more than you can possibly realize.
if you have family in Iraq or Afghanistan,
and particularly if you are a Christian: I have a friend (a ranch wife) who has a number of things going on (for one, menopause, another feeling isolated) and she has all of her 4 sons serving right now, one in Afghanistan where things have been getting heated. She is very emotional, upset and i was wondering if any of you might be able to send (via e/m to me which i will forward) any words of encouragement. She was told by another friend, she didn't "have enough faith" which for the devout person she is, i think really hurt. I am just hoping someone in a similar situation who has a special understanding, maybe could help lift her spirits and encourage her. Thanks for caring.
I would love to, but my husband is in Iraq :(
no message.
Here are some tips from a fellow
I have really curly hair and I only wash it once a week with organic shampoo. It does not have sodium laureth sulfate in it, which really makes your hair frizzy and tangled. I also use a good quality conditioner and put it in my hair (just a little) between washings and work it through with my fingers. Good luck. It took me into my 20s to really appreciate my hair. I think less is more as far as doing stuff with it. Don't cut it, you'll regret it later because sometimes curly won't sit right cut short.
been there done that with fellow MT/friend
I was friends with this girl for years. She is also an MT. Thanks to me! Anyway, she thinks she knows everything and anything and she is not very popular among our other friends either. I finally had enough of the friendship and let it go. We dont even talk now because she is just too much work.
I dont think that you are overreacting at all.
A fellow member . . .
of the loss of a child. I understand and sympathize with you. I too lost a son 16 years ago in a tragic accident. He was 23 at the time. Yes, it does change your life forever. We all grieve differently, and somehow find our way back to a life. For me, it was our other only child, a son, that made me, forced me to make my house a home again back then. I thought about how my deceased son would want us to go on, and how it was hurting him to see us in so much pain. I thought about death a lot, and that we are all walking toward that end one day. I thought about how I need to help make my other son happy again. That helped me to gain some semblence of a life again. Now, I see death as part of life and try to focus on what I make of my life, and how I can make it happy for my loved ones. Yes, my husband and son, and I think of our lost one, but we try to think of him with a smile and how some day we will be reunited again. My sympathy to you and your family. It is not easy. You are so fortunate to have other children. God bless you all and give you happiness.
ever thought of donating to the troups in iraq? sm
most of the time the only way they have of contacting family at home is by using calling cards. great donations/gifts to send overseas. i know a few and that is all i ever get asked to send.
Holiday gift for nephew in Iraq
I'd like to send a gift/gifts to my nephew in Iraq. This is his first Christmas away so I know it will be hard for him. If possible, I'd like to include something personal just for him and maybe some stuff for his buddies to share. I asked him point-blank what he'd like and, typical guy, he says "anything" which is of NO HELP at all. I have no clue what they're allowed to have or not have.
You guys have any ideas? Thanks! 
Letter or card writing to Iraq sm
Get an address for someone in Iraq and have them all write a letter or draw a picture for them.. All it will cost you is to buy some paper & envelopes and provide a stamp, won't cost much more for material than most projects. There was an address on here and perhaps she will e-mail you. My brother never forgot that my son's class did this for him. At that time the postage was free, not so with this president, I assume. I put postage in mine to Iraq, didn't ask.Dont know what the postage is today - it should be free but I seriously doubt it.Perhaps some parents would donate stamps as well.
I remember cat-sitting for a fellow-MT once.
She was a first-time cat owner also. They had a little Maine coon, and she claimed he didn't play. She was only a year old, so I thought that was strange. I dragged a string for her and she proceeded to show me an extremely playful side, leaping onto the couch, running across the back, leaping to a chair ... I was rolling on the floor over this supposed non-playing cat. So make sure you leave a string toy. Or do you have one of those wants with a feather on it? or the other fishing-rod style toys. My cats were crazy for those toys that required owner involvement. And forget trying to read - my cats insisted I pay attention to the game during play. Cat servant indeed.
website for fellow dog lover
Hi. Its www.inthecompanyofdogs.com
when I was living in North Carolina I met a wonderful older lady at the vet who had her dog in a car seat and gave me the catalog. I Love this catalog. It can be on the expensive side, but the carseat was totally worth it. He loves it. When I get in car he goes in the back and jumps right in it. It took a little time in the beginning, so I gave him treats when he jumped in it. It has good restraints too. but there is another website called GWlittle.com that has carseats that are little less expansive than mine and pretty similar. 
My fellow transcriptionists..for tomorrow (sm)
I challenge one of you to come up with something very interesting for us all to talk with...co-workers we are, shooting the breeze. I have gone out on a limb and told you about my strange sitings...now someone else come up with something tomorrow - please? Hayseed? Trose? Some other interesting MT? :-)
Hey fellow bird watchers...
We added a new bird to our backyard list today - one that we have been waiting to have visit for six years. I must admit I had given up, as this is known to be a rural bird and we are just inside town. We have downy woodpeckers out the wazoo all day long, but today, much to my surprise and delight, we had a visit from a hairy woodpecker. He landed on the suet cage that I have hanging on the offce window so he was only about 4 feet away and I got a really good look at him. What a thrill! Now if I can just lure in that elusive pileated...
About your fellow land-dweller
She could easily put up her own mail box right next to yours. As long as she clearly labels it with her name, the postal carrier will separate your mail from hers. That's how theya do it out here in my neck o' the woods anyhows....
(Can you tell I absolutely ADORE being a redneck? LOL!)
My husband I have, many times. Gas gouging, oil, immigration, Iraq. sm
he calls about anything he feels they should know about. You would be amazed at how easily you can get through to talk to them. If they are not there, their aide will take a message and you either get a phone call back or a letter.
In Michigan we have Carl Levin, Debby Stabenow, and Vern Ehlers. Their aides and my husband are on a first name basis. Literally. The aides are the front line of the reps and sens etc. They DO make note and you DO get a letter in the mail about your phone call. It doesn't really change anything, but at least the elected officials are aware of what the temprament of the voting public is.
Nice to see a fellow athiest aboard!
:)
Fellow workers, you are gonna be proud of me!
I just sent email to a national morning program, has a guy and girl on there. I was watching the other morning, a wife and son on explaining about how her husband suffered extensively with pain, unable to get medications because, you know, some call it drug seeking? Well, come to find out through son being tested, this father had some sort of syndrome (sorry, do not remember the name) and finally died having suffered for years, unable to live a decent life, bedridden. On the panel was the wife, son, a physician and another person The wife started to say something and was cut off immediately but the lady host saying "Well, are you a physician?" The wife said no and the host said "Well, let the doctor speak then." I wrote this host this morning to let her know IF she worked in the field she would know physicians make plenty of mistakes- we clean them up all the time, right? I said people who do not know tend to hold physicians up as gods but if you worked in this field you would certainly know better. I tried to get Megace for hubby 1 time because not eating, lost appetite, starving actually and was told by physician would not help. I switched doctors, got the prescription and hubby regained appetite. Having typed on that for aid in TB patients as well as human immunovirus patients in regaining appetites, I knew better. I feel a whole lot better about myself right now!!
For my fellow Black Friday shoppers, a little tip
Don't wait until the last minute to get the big ticket items. I know they may seem like a great deal, but usually those items are only $20 to $50 less than they normally would be. The aggravation of trying to get it isn't going to be worth the money you'd save.
I generally go for the smaller deals -- like the cool PJs on sale and the board games or DVDs on sale. These are great sales. One year, I got 3 Fisher Price/Hasbro games for my 5-year-old for $3 each. DVDs were only $5 each. There were 3-piece fleece PJs for $9. These are best deals in my opinion.
I've stood in line waiting to get the $49 gameboy that was normally $100 only to get to my turn and find out they're sold out. Then I spent the next month trying to find one anywhere for my kid for Christmas.
I go out early on Black Friday for the excitement and some bargains, but never the big ticket stuff. I have that bought before then and stored away safe and sound. To me, it's like tailgating -- the thing that gets me into the spirit of the season!
First time I have seen a fellow Kansan on here. whereabouts?
I am in SW
Thank you! From a Mom who had 2 daughters, serving 3 separate tours in Iraq - twice over Christmas.
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I had a fellow nursing student way back with a Jamaican patois who
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Darn! I meant to say FORMER not fellow! I moved a few years back sm
but would LOVE to visit. My dad was stationed at Griffis AFB in Rome, outside of Utica..they moved and I stayed and attended college in Syracuse with a few friends. After a few years I finally left the area. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone in that area anymore!!! So sad....I would LOVE to take my family there one day and show them the Adirondacks, etc. I actually have step-grandparents in VT who owned a 100+ acre farm they just sold for a million dollars....Now they have a small log cabin in the mountains but they are in FL most of the year! I actually live just outside of Atlanta now....I remember being snowed in the dorms for 2 days during a bad winter storm. You are right! The snow is like NO ONE ANYWHERE can even imagine..LOL Nice to meet you!
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