Trose, I don't believe in heaven, but I would teach SM
Posted By: Sara Dee on 2007-07-29
In Reply to: I am not here to preach sm - trose
heaven to small children, until they are older and can grasp death in the reality of truth. Hmm,did that make any sense? It's late.
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Trose - Heaven
Trose, I love the creativity of this site.. go down the page for the beautiful animated graphic, and oh the words underneath are awesome.
http://www.angelfire.com/la2/OurAngel/Links.html
above msg for trose..nm
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For Trose... (btw, this is my day off :)
If you want to know what you're going to be like in Heaven, what your Heavenly body is going to be like, it's going to be like you are now, only much more Heavenly, eternal, beautiful, wonderful, thrilling & glorious! (Phi.3:21)
When the Lord created the cycles of butterflies & moths, He was illustrating resurrection. They hatch from eggs into little worm-like caterpillars. Then they wrap themselves up in a cocoon called a chrysalis, almost like a coffin, & it SEEMS they die!
BUT THEN: Spring comes & suddenly the coffin splits open & out comes a beautiful butterfly or moth! Once it was just a little crawling worm, the most despised of all creatures, & all of a sudden it breaks out into a beautiful butterfly that flies in the heavens! -- One of the prettiest creatures!
Like the difference between the grain of wheat & the full-grown, full-blown stock & head that comes from one grain, or the flower that comes from one tiny seed, that's how much better your new Heavenly body is going to be!
It will be so much more wonderful, it will be like the difference between the seed & the flower! (1Cor.15:35-38, 42-58)
You're going to be like the Angels of God! (Lk.20:36)
I DO get that, trose...and thanks :)
thanks for what you said....it's better late than never...I had a huge problem with my mother for 10 years and then 9 years....a total of 19-20 years......but in that case, SHE lost out.....SHE missed the entire journey (and was physically there but not emotionally....very bad if you're like that...to have kids anyway). I'm fine today but took mucho years of therapy from like 8-28.....
And as a result of all that badness, I've been a better parent because of it...
out of every bad thing that happens to one in life, something good and positive comes out from that........
To trose
No....I was only thanking others for responses.....
to trose
yes, I think Obama actually addressed this saying people were sending out these e-mails and they weren't true -we have to be careful what we read on the internet - everything is not true and you kind of have to do your own research - on another note, I tried the pinapple cheese recipe you posted a few days ago - YUMMY!
LOL trose !
Trose, please do not take this
lightly. A few posters thought it was nothing to worry about. WHENEVER someone talksabout being unhappy and suicide....DO NOT TAKE IT LIGHTLY. Yes they may be trying for attention or doing one better than the other...you are doing the RIGHT THING..take him to a therapist or psychiatrist. He needs to express his feelings but unfortunately, not with his parents. Do not feel bad about that...it's hard to be honest with the folks as you know. Keep up with all that you have been doing and even if it turns out to be nothing - YOU ARE GREAT PARENTS....some kids just need attention and not from their parents. Hang in there...things will turn out!!! Good luck, hugs, and my thoughts are with you. You are doing the right thing - don't take this lightly...please.
trose....How's your son? Everything going well? nm
heaven
I had a "near death" experience and got a glimpse of the other side. The colors were different, more vibrant, more shades and variations than here and the music was indiscribable. This happened in childbirth over 40 years ago and I can still remember every exquisit detail. I also totally believe in reincarnation and that someday we will see heaven spread over the earth and wake up to it's splendor for what it (we) really are.
I don't believe in heaven either...
but that's because I am what I am--a godless atheist. ;-)
I always have to take the difficult path in my life choices it seems, don't know why, must be my whole "gotta have a challenge" mentality. I envy the people who believe in god, heaven, and all the good things that come with the comfort of firmly believing in what happens when we die. I just can never be convinced otherwise; my mom tried right up to her own death and said she was sad for me.
Well I'm not sad and I don't feel purposeless either. I just believe in science and need something tangible. I don't think I'll just become a wormfeast though when I die (course I will be cremated unless there's nothing left to cremate for some reason), but there's some sort of biological electricity in all living things, so I'd like to think that electricity gets transferred some how. In what way, I have no idea.
Cue the Star Trek music now! 
Heaven to me would be seeing my
Dad and relatives and some dear friends completely restored and happy, and being reunited with my pets; Greta, Maggie, Angus and Molly.
Trose I wouldn't let it go at that (sm)
I haven't chimed in until now, but I would go to the school and talk to the principal. My daughter is 7 and I can't even imagine someone doing that to her. Our kids are at the mercy of their teachers unless their parents stand up for them. They have no recourse against adults who treat them badly, unless we help them. It is not a matter of being overly sensitive. I wouldn't just hope that she gets reprimanded, I would see to it. I would request a meeting with her and the principal. I had to do this once when a teacher made my son clean feces off a bathroom wall - he reported it to her and she told him to clean it up. It wasn't his!! He would never have done something like that. So my son had to clean sh*t off a wall that wasn't his and be exposed to who knows what. I think it is good that you sent her an e-mail first, because that is documentation, which she knows, and that is why she did not respond to you in writing. You go mom! Keep your cool and remain calm but let them know it is unacceptable! I let too many things slide when my kids were even younger that I already regret. No more!
Trose -- I saw your post below
and just wondering how you are . . . hoping everything is okay. Please let us know when you can.
You sound like me, Trose
I'm 45 and my daughter is 14 and I've been taking her to concerts since she was 6. We just went to a Matchbox 20 concert and a few months ago we saw Daughtry. I think it's great when people don't necessarily act their age, within reason, of course. I think I also dress appropriately for my age. And yep, I wish I was the same weight 20 years ago. LOL. But whatever works for others is fine with me. My neighbor across the street is my age, but you'd never know it. She acts and dresses like she's 60, but she's still a friend. Long hair short hair, it doesn't matter as long as you like it.
(((((((((((hugs))))))))))) to you trose...sm
I'm so glad you took him in. That's a very scary situation, and I think you did the right thing having him talk to someone right away. I'm very proud of you...it must have been hard, even knowing that you had to.
About the eating disorder, keep an eye out for signs. I did want to say though that my hubby and all his buddies as well as my son and all his buddies say they're fat all the time. They rip on each other constantly too. They just walk up and say, *hey fat***, been going a little heavy on the cupcakes?* They all do it--no matter how skinny they are. My 12-year-old is 5 feet tall and weighs 90 pounds. Skinny as a rail, but he says all the time, *gotta feed the fat* or *fat guy in a little car*.
Now, I don't mean that you shouldn't take it seriously and watch for it (especially if his friends are concerned), but I thought you might like to hear that sometimes boys are just dumb. We (the wives) always say how mean they are and can you imagine if we did that? Oh, hey mt, (doing my best macho tone) still carrying the baby weight, huh? Can you imageine saying that to a friend?!? We'd all be in tears!
Please keep us updated, we'll be thinking about you.
One more thing--you might be able to take him into the dentist just for his check up. When they are making themselves throw up, one of the signs is the enamal on the inside of their teeth being damaged or gone.
I'm going to Heaven and you're not.
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I feel certain you will see her in Heaven - sm
Once we get to be with God, there is no division by religion, that's what I believe anyway. If she was a good person, she will be there.
I'm Jewish. I believe in God, but not heaven, at
Not in the other place either. However, I believe bad people get theirs in the end, one way or the other.
Animals in heaven? NM
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Kingdom of Heaven
Anything with Orlando Bloom is excellent. Seen this movie about 50 or so times and think I will watch it again tomorrow.
Oh for heaven's sake.
There is nothing hateful in my post. At ALL. I gave 2 conditions; either she likes the way she looks or she doesn't. Either way, SHE is the one responsible. Not the MRI company, not airlines, not McDonalds, no one else. If you think this is hateful, it's because you don't think she should take responsibility for her own behavior, & I'm willing to bet you would like the rest of us to take responsibility for yours as well. Good grief! You even want me to take responsibility for your feelings when all I've done is state a couple of facts & conditions. Why am I not surprised.
Yes. It's hard to lose weight. Millions of years of evolving to super-efficient fat storage have seen to that. But actions have consequences. Everyone who is obese seems to think no one noticed how they got that way. Now the consequences of that behavior are yet another thing the rest of the population is supposed to take responsibility for, like bad loans or cigarette companies or bad business plans or anything else, & it pi&&es me off.
Oh for heaven's sake.
There is nothing hateful in my post. At ALL. I gave 2 conditions; either she likes the way she looks or she doesn't. Either way, SHE is the one responsible. Not the MRI company (and not airlines, not McDonalds, not the cigarette companies), NO ONE else. If you think this is hateful, it's because you don't think she should take responsibility for her own behavior, & I'm willing to bet you would like the rest of us to take responsibility for yours as well. Good grief! You even want me to take responsibility for your hurt feelings when all I've done is state a couple of facts & conditions. Why am I not surprised. Sorry, but I am of the opinion that we all make our own beds & lie in them.
Yes. It's hard to lose weight. Millions of years of evolving to super-efficient fat storage have seen to that. But actions have consequences. Everyone who is obese seems to think no one noticed how they got that way. Now the consequences of that behavior are yet another thing the rest of the population is supposed to take responsibility for, like bad loans or bad business plans or anything else, & it pi&&es me off.
Well, obviously. For heaven's sake.
If there's a surgical indication, like inability to urinate, of course I would have it done! WITH anesthesia.
What I'm against is unnecessary circumcision, which the vast majority are. I seriously question the ability of practitioners to discern developmental phimosis, which will correct itself naturally over time, with phimosis that will cause a serious health condition later in life.
http://www.nocirc.org/publish/pamphlet6.html
Trose, I emailed you back...
This time with the right web address I hope. Let me know if the one I sent doesn't work...and I hope you enjoy the site!
Hey trose - I have A child...one...by choice...LOL
 Hi trose!
I knew I'd do GREAT with one and felt I'd be inundated with 2, especially since the husband was the 2nd child......in age and maturity...*lol*...I felt like I had TWO kids for 10 years.....I divorced him, got the kid, and she's TERRIFIC and close to both parents...
Came out nice and well adjusted, considering..........*ROFL* had I had a better marriage, I'd have had a gaggle of kids...*lol* But one quality child is better than 3-4 ones that can and might (will) run ya ragged. And mine is not all that spoiled, CERTAINLY NOT FINANCIALLY that's a given...*rofl* (on her own now for a long long time but around the corner...*whew*)
Hi Trose - thanks for the great idea!
I think I'll start recording the games on the camcorder. That should keep me out of trouble. Then I can watch the game at home (alone) and yell all I want at the bad calls!!! Hahaha! Thanks.
Another heaven quote I love!!
Perspective on Death:
Death is God carrying us in one arm while the other flings aside heaven's door to welcome us back to the blazing hearth of our first home
.... while those inside, having arrived before us, rush to the door like glad children shouting, "They're here!"
Death has a bad name on earth but in heaven it's a homecoming party everytime the door opens.
God does not forget those earthbound children, sad and left behind.
God leaves the party early to enter into their despair and to get them ready for their own parties SOME DAY!
Phyllis Koehl (author)
If you expect $60K to rain down from heaven think again
My Bible tells me that the Lord will provide (and has provided) for all of my needs, it does not say he will send money raining down for me whenever I get myself into excess debt. Rest assured that the Lord will provide the faithful with all that they need and plenty of what they want. It is your right to believe otherwise, but do not step on my Christian beliefs in the process.
Luke 12:28, "If then God so clothe the grass, which is today in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?"
Imagine the music in Heaven now!
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I think there are probably more animals in heaven than people, too. (nm)
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Grandparents are Heaven on Earth
I have no kids so can only give you a viewpoint of how my grandparents shaped my life. I grew up very close (personally) to my grandparents (grandma was my second mom). My grandparents (moms side) lived up the road from us (about a 5 min walk with an open field between us). In the mornings we would walk outside and if she was out we would yell "hello up there" and grandma would yell back "hello down there". She took care of my sister and I during the day while mom worked. We went everywhere with her every day (hairdresser, butcher, stores, errands, church activities, her friends house, etc). She taught us how to whistle with a blade of grass, play "here is the church & here is the steeple, open the doors and see all the people" with our hands. We ate every Sunday supper with them and then she and grandpa moved the living room furniture and taught us how to polka to Lawrence Welk. We also ate there often during the week. Once a week we would spend the night at their house. Grandpa had a lawnmower repair and sales business but anytime I was having trouble in school, he would come in and after supper sit down and help me (mostly with math), but he didn't even think twice about not helping. He was the most unselfish person in the whole world. When I was feeling down about my grade on a report card or test (I was a C & D student, occasionally a B and very rare an A) he would ask me if I did the best that I could and I said I tried really hard but I just didn't understand. He told me as long as I tried the hardest I could he was proud of me. We grew up in the country and g'ma taught us about wild flowers, quilting, and other country type stuff. During the winter we would have sled parties at her house for my girl scout troop and she would bring out hot cocoa with mini marshmallows. Just a couple years ago my best childhood friend was telling me she had just been thinking about that sled party and my grandma bringing us the hot cocoa, and I just have so many wonderful life memories the list would go on and on. She died when I was 16 (30 years ago), grandpa died a few years ago. I miss them so much it still hurts. My dad's grandparents lived 15 minutes from us and we spent every Sunday afternoon with them and when I was old enough to drive I would go up on my own during the weekdays and sit at the table and talk and talk with grandma for hours. I miss them both so much too. I think grandparents are the most wonderful gift a child could have. I was blessed to have mine live so close to us. They spoiled us rotten and we loved it!
Oh how I dream of being young again and having my grandparents to talk to. I'm now 48 and live alone with husband. All my grandparents and mom are gone, dad lives across the country and I see him once every 3 years. I sure do miss them all. I hope all kids have a chance to be close to their grandparents the way I was.
My mom (when she was alive) and dad all have fond memories of their parents (they both told me they had the best parents anywhere).
So the only way I can sum it up is that "Grandparents are Heaven on Earth".
Trose: Update on swimming class
Funny you should bring this up again. I sent the gym teacher an email the night of the 19th and she never responded until today, AFTER I sent her another email with a copy to the district office asking her why she had not responded.
She basically said that she didn't realize that her direct questioning and her "simple suggestion" was "too direct for someone who was apparently over-sensitive."
Offered no apology, nothing. Her reply was not copied to the district office so I replied to her with a copy to the district office so her response went to them also.
Since this incident last Wednesday, I have learned that this is certainly not an isolated incident but the kids were basically too scared to say anything about it. They feared that if they complained, she would fail them and has apparently threatened to do so.
Basically, it is still unresolved. My daughter is back to swimming today so we will see if there are any further comments tonight when she gets home.
I hope the teacher is at least reprimanded by the school district and maybe given some training on how to handle delicate situations with young girls going through the beginnings of puberty.
Here it is, trose - Khalil Gibran on Love
On Love
When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep,
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.
For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you.
Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.
Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire,
that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.
All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart,
and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.
But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.
When you love you should not say,
'God is in my heart,' but rather,
'I am in the heart of God.'
And think not you can direct the course of love,
for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.
Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night,
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.
http://www.maryourmother.net/Gibran.html
Look trose, there are limits to how weird the things can be!! LOL (nm)
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Thank you Trose, so do I believe it will make a huge difference, NM
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Art - BFA -- I don't want to teach and it - sm
openings for art teachers are few as it is, also it is hard to support yourself as an artist unless you are really, really good, or really, really lucky.
what does he teach?
nm
Poem "My First Christmas in Heaven"
In the search box put My First Christmas in Heaven poem" and do a Google search.
Make sure it is the poem written by a 13-year-old boy to his mom before he died of a brain tumor
Read this poem every year as if your son is sending it to you.
Of course not!!! Heaven forbid!! She wound have NO part of that!
I said she was perfect, didn't I? Her life was perfect. Everyone should be like her... but of course, I come across women every day with all kinds of problems because they are not perfect and their lives are not perfect ... ahh... poor them... I try to provide them with exercises and the like to help them improve their damaged and imperfect psyches, but there are no guarantees when one has a hisory of making mortal mistakes...
Trose - would love to hear what happened at your SS class.
nm
Hey trose, I've had many yard sales over the years and have
seem some pretty surprising stuff go on, only to watch people battle off and jump in their "fancy" cars. I've had people set a whole pile of stuff in front of me and throw a 5 at me and try to take off knowing that what they had cost more. I had one lady say "quarter?" over and over and over trying to buy two folding lawn chairs and I kept saying, "NO." She finally gave up and left. I've had people steal right out from under my nose and jump in their "fancy" cars and take off. I've had a whole "family" of Mexicans pile out of a very nice van and converge upon my yard sale with one person trying to keep my attention while their family members steal whatever they could from me. When I saw a one of the kids stick an X-Box game in his shirt, I told him he had to pay for it and he tried to walk away. When my husband came up on the boy, the father tried to start a fight with my husband. My neighbor called the police and when they arrived they had the adults and teens in cuffs and the children in the back of a unit. Turned out they were illegal and were arrested and hauled off and then a tow truck came and got the van.
I haven't had a yard sale in a long, long time.
webistes regarding what they teach..SM
http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=3367
http://www.usinkorea.org/issues/users/index.htm
http://international.ucla.edu/asia/article.asp?parentid=3367
http://freekorea.us/2005/11/07/the-excesses-of-an-extremist-south-korean-teachers-union-force-the-government-into-action-3/
Not so much our moms as we just try to teach
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Well, that'll really teach her...
A lesson won't it now? I mean being confined to a mansion with servants, cooks, etc., and nothing to do all day but swim, tan, whatever else she does...wow, talk about injustice...amazing 
For me, it comes from not having anyone to teach you your worth when you are a kid (sm)
My husband was not nice even when we are dating. I had not been taught that I deserved to be treated with respect. Now you may say I am teaching my daughter the same thing - however, I'm not. I make sure that if she or my son see my husband treat me disrespectfully that I respond, in a respectful way to him that that is an inappropriate way for him to talk to me. I am still however, stuck with making a decision over what is better for the children. Sometimes these men who are bad husbands are not such bad fathers. It's a hard decision - not as easy as typing "just leave" on a message board.
Most people teach
their children Santa is an actual entity, not the spirit of Christmas.
My mom told me there was a St. Nicholas who gave to others and that "Santa" was just a way to replicate the wonderful intention of St. Nicholas.
Most people, including myself, lead their children to believe he is a real being, and it can be very disheartening when they find out it is not true.
Any thoughts on that specifically ... anyone?
Their parents don't teach them
and also, they don't get those classes at school. I guess also I was fortunate in that my mother was a tailor and dressmaker and I used to help her with finishing clothes; buttons, etc.
It is such a disposable society today also. If it is broken, don't fix it but toss it out and buy something new. With the economy the way it is, possibly that might change.
well I figure if I don't teach them sm
they won't get it when they have to get out in the real world. If they are not going to school and want to live with you why should you pay all their bills?
BTW, what I did was put half of what they gave me away and when they left home I had a nice little nest egg to give back to them to get them started. But they didn't know I was doing that until the time came for them to move out.
In this economy it is very expensive to pay for everyones groceries, laundry soap, etc. I think its a disservice not to require something. Maybe not half or even a quarter, but something! I don't want anyone to wind up like my niece at 45 with no responsibility at all and living off her widowed mother and her fixed income while making 30 bucks an hour herself plus overtime and spending it as fast as she can. Oh yes this is also in the state with the worst economy in the nation..Michigan! But then I guess she thinks she is entitled.
Someone who is atheist clearly is not going to Heaven. No judging, just stating fact as
per the Holy Bible.
I didn't judge anyone. I said, I'm going to Heaven and you're not to that person and
according to the Bible that is true. There was no judging in the post.
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