Totally disagree. If he is unwilling to
Posted By: JD on 2009-04-20
In Reply to: He is your dad. Let him live with you. sm - really
help himself, why should she take him on and just enable his behavior???
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I totally disagree with that
"I think that the idea of a 15 year old girl having sex with a boy because he has lied to her and made her promises that he has no intention of keeping is much worse than any damage done by advising that girl to wait until she is an adult to have sex."
That doesn't make any sense to me; since guys lie to women for that purpose at any age! Certainly being the only virgin left in the school would also cause psychological damage - probably more damage than being lied to by a boy; since her peer group is likely to cut her out of the loop once they have done the deed and she's the only holdout. You're being unrealistic, IMO. In my experience the longer a girl waits, the more socially awkward she feels, and the more promiscuous she becomes once she finally joins the party.
I totally disagree with you about where she should stay
Did you watch the ongoings on the trial today? Stern came across as a drug pusher, Larry completely believable. i think they ought to do as Larry said, she wanted to be buried in California, probably close to Marily Monroe (Forest Lawn, I believe) but my goodness, Stern does not have a say in any of this really. The mother is her next of kin period. I think they would do with exhuming her son's body and returning to the states, then they could be buried side by side. I think the judge ticked off with Stern, he was so evasive. When asked about if he knew about Anna N. doing drugs, he side stepped all around that. I think Stern was the one who made the money off the person, not her mother. Watch the court proceedings, OK?
Totally disagree with your post.
People can and do change, especially over a time span of 17 years. Your are being very narrow minded.
I would venture to say there is much power in forgiveness if he admitted the truth and showed remorse. Life isn't easy and it certainly isn't black or white.
Totally disagree with one thing you wrote. sm
You Wrote:
Yes, there are bad breeders, but there are far more good ones. In my 18 years in the cat fancy, I have seen some bad ones, *but the good ones far outweigh the bad.*
If only that were true. *sigh* Maybe you're talking about in the show world. It probably is true there, but that is such a teeny, tiny part of the whole picture.
In reality, outside of the show world, there are far, far, far more BAD 'breeders' out there, though I'm using the word 'breeder' loosely, to include backyard breeders (type that into Google if you're not familiar w/the term - I don't mean you, gd1, as I'm sure you know all about it!), puppy mills, and pet stores, and that is were the majority of the pet overpopulation problem comes from.
I wish only the reputable, ethical 'show breeders' of dogs and cats were the only ones doing any breeding. If that were the case, there would be little to no problem, as they are the caretakers of their breeds and are concerned with bettering the breed, only breeding animals with excellent health, conformation, and temperament - not just $$$ by cranking out puppies/kittens, or letting their dog/cat have a litter for the kids to see or because 'everyone wants one of her puppies/kittens!' or whatever.
I don't know if mandatory spaying/neutering is the answer or not. I do know it's being seriously considered in my state (CA), and there would be exceptions for hobby/show breeders, breeders of service dogs, search and rescue dogs, etc.
But I have a feeling people would find some way around it, and I imagine disreputable people (gag) in neighboring states would start to crank up 'production' if there were any kind of 'shortage' here. Makes me ill...
I also don't know how mandatory spay/neut. could be enforced. Animal control here (huge county) admitted on the news that only about 25% of pets are licensed.
I think I'm in favor of it, overall though, at least to give it a try and with exceptions available for *some* breeders, as I mentioned above.
I did breed rescue for 6 years, and I've been to more shelters and seen more animals there than I care to recall. It's absolutely sickening the number of perfectly nice animals destroyed, simply for lack of a home. A shocking number (about 25-30%) are young, healthy purebreds that cost the original owner a pretty penny, so even that doesn't guarantee a home.
Amen Sister! She is totally unrealistic! Totally. Loved your post! sm
My grandparents (from VT), will tell you that my grandfather began farming at 6-7 under the supervision of his 10 year old brother. haha No major incidents - his mother tended the home and ran a nursery and she did have the siblings watch over each other. I didn't even think about all of this until you mentioned the farming post. I loved it!
I, for one, need plenty of sleep - so I must work during the day while they are here...Oops, I gottah go! My 2 year old just fell off the kitchen table.
just kidding
Totally, totally agree.
You feel inadequate and no matter what you do - you feel like it is not enough - and that is depression. Get on some medication, or get some therapy and start taking time for yourself and enjoy life. Been there and done that myself - STOP FEELING GUILTY - you deserve better!!
Disagree with you on this
Happened to my father and it falls under the category of elderly abuse, same as if you beat old folks up. My father had no dementia but after his spouse passing, the younger married women moved in on him. He had lots of money. A person likes attention from someone they think finds them attractive. He had plenty of friends and associates, did not spend lonely times at home, nothing like that- just thought the wonen were interested in him sexually. He gave away over $100,000.00 to 1 woman I found out after he was killed in accident - get this, going to see her!
I disagree!!!!
Frenchie willingly posed completely topless for money for a website that reportedly was also using underage girls and apparently did not have a good reputation. Antonella posed with her friends and I believe a boyfriend and they betrayed her and put her pictures on the internet behind her back. They were really not even *nude* photos. I'm not saying they're not bad but then again in today's world is there anything left that would be really shocking? I definitely disagree that this was even similar to Frenchie's situation and her playing the race card is oh so typical and sickening to me. Some things never change. The only thing Antonella is guilty of is being a lousy singer.
I disagree and here's why - sm
While I may disagree with the idea of abortion, I am also completely against someone taking away a choice that is MINE, whatever the reason may be.
I don't understand why so many people don't try to look at the bigger picture. There are many reasons why a woman might choose abortion, not just as a form of birth control.
Can you honestly say if you knew a woman or girl was raped or became pregnant by incestuous means that you would prefer to traumatize her further by forcing her to carry a baby to term? I know the baby is an innocent that didn't ask for what happens. I struggle with that thought too but... I also believe that is one less baby who would probably be neglected, abused, or worse because that same woman or girl feels pressure to keep this baby.
If you are lucky enough to have never suffered a brutal rape, you could not possibly understand. If you have and you still feel this way, you are stronger than many many many women.
Disagree with you sm
I'm not going to get into a religious war but a TRUE Christian would never dress like that!
I disagree
I was both in the military and legally drinking when I was 18. Husband, whom I met and married in the military when I was still a teen, entered when he graduated high school at 17. We did not have a problem with drinking responsibly and neither did most of our fellow soldiers at that age. In fact, most of the young soldiers just out of high school are way more responsible than the average college student years older because that responsibility and accountability is demanded of them by the military and is generally not demanded in civilian life.
People trying to take away even more responsibility/accountability by excusing bad behavior because of the "youth" of people that are legally adults are creating the problem by refusing to put the accountability for said bad behavior exactly where it belongs--on the people behaving irresponsibly, and likely on the parents for not instilling the knowledge that there are consequences for bad actions. Budweiser is not responsible for their idiocy. Jack Daniels is not responsible for their stupidity. They are.
Oh I so disagree with you
I tried and tried, did things my g'children loved but I did NOT want them playing on my company computer and my company machines, not mine but if I asked them to come out of the room then the DIL thought I was wrong because at the other g'parents home they could do everything they wanted? As a PARENT you have to instill the fact there is not just 1 set of parents, usually 2 - maternal as well as paternal and both should be able to spend time with the kids. It is terribly unfair otherwise just to be 1 sided and this is exactly what happened in my case. I had no say in my being bypassed. My DIL so entangled in her family, my side didn’t and still doesn’t count. I eventually gave up- I did not want to compete for attention.
I disagree...I think you are looking too far into this...
her children obviously don't want to go for a reason because they are crying not to go...sounds to me like something the grandmother is doing and not the mother...rememeber she asked for opinions not judgement...
I disagree
Spanking doesn't have to be abusive. It doesn't have to be done with a belt buckle, or something that will inflict undue harm.
The power of spanking is humiliation. Using your hand or a folded magazine to sting the kid's buttocks or upper back thighs is not going to scar them, physically or emotionally. What it does do is let them know their behavior is unacceptable and has consequences.
Throughout human history, the majority of people have used spanking as discipline - notice I said discipline not punishment - and I would say the human race has managed to make progress. So, spanking can't be that awful.
I was spanked 3 times in my childhood and I have never laid a hand on anyone in my life. So, the theory about spanking making the recipient into an abuser is just bunk. Tens of thousands of us were spanked as kids, and we turned out fine.
I am not advocating out of control parents beating kids within an inch of their life - but I do think a swat on the bottom isn't the end of the world for any kid.
I do wish people weren't so afraid of kids today - kids have way too much power and adults need to take it back. We're aren't doing these kids any favors by giving them the run of the place.
I could not disagree more
I see no reason whatsoever to have a girl on hormones to "manage" her for her entire life in one way or another, to me that is repression. I also disagree that being a woman causes "needless suffering." Seems like men have simply perverted the normal for monetary gain and insist on managing every miniscule aspect of our bodies. It does not take much to convince a woman that if she is okay she is an exception to the rule.
I disagree...
my husband and I each have an e-mail account with our own passwords and I am sure that if I asked, he would give me the password, but I really have no reason to read his e-mail. Don't you think that he should be able to have something of his own? I have nothing to hide in my e-mail, but have never even thought to offer up my password. Frankly, I would be offended should he ever ask for it.
Sorry, but I disagree...
That is great that you are happy and not having orgasm, but not everyone feels that way. It does not mean that is the only 'glue' in the marriage, but it is an important component to many marriages, and that's okay.
I disagree...
I think that if you lose your honor, it is a bad example for your children. I am not saying that she should not make sure that she gets some money, but it is dishonorable and bad for the children to take it all. I watched it happen and I don't think it is good for the children. Also, kids know more than you think. If you feel you are resorting to something, you are doing the wrong thing. I watched my mother act in a way that she taught me to be better than. I will never regain that respect. And it was never about us. It was about revenge. My point was that women should be careful of stooping to those levels, it happens a lot. I was not defending the husband. He might be a horrible person or he might be okay; I have no idea. The OP cannot control his actions, but she can control her own.
You can disagree all you want but if you
don’t notice either a rapid weight gain or weight loss, then you don’t really know your body. I have a scale at home, maybe you should invest in another or just do what you want with the deal about weighing. I am not going to, don’t have to but whatever floats your boat.
Disagree with you
There are many reasons why a child flies alone but that aside, what is the big deal? They are supposed to be assigned a flight attendant at that age to chaperone them. Obviously there were a bunch of incompetent people at every step of the way. I have flown alone many times as a young kid - no biggie if people are doing their jobs the way they are supposed to. The airline is absolutely at fault here.
well...I both agree and disagree...
I agree that your feelings of being attacked are valid. As a preacher, he should know better than to judge you or your family.
On the other hand though, I would not do such a display, and that is just me! I don't decorate much for Halloween, maybe a few Jack-o-lanterns, but that's about it. And only cause the kids like making them. Sounds as though your decorations are pretty elaborate, though. To each her own...have fun!!!
I am sure people with disagree with me but...sm
I think the school has told you what they can and cannot do...it is now up to YOU as her parents to make up the difference. You stated that your daughter has ADD, which in itself requires more attentional than a student without it. With 27 children in a classroom, which unfortunately is what almost all of us face with public school, the teachers just do not have the time to focus on children with special needs. If she were my child, I would put however many hours it would take at home to work with you. And if you can, go to the school and work in her classroom. Most teachers beg parents to become helpers in the classroom.
I have a 17-year-old nephew who cannot read at all but has been passed from grade to grade. His parents basically blamed the school system instead of working outside of school with him. I do not agree that he should be passed on from one grade to another, but unfortunately that is what happens to most of these kids....the schools won't flunk kids anymore because of no child left behind.
Bottom line...try every avenue open to you at home...Sylvan or private tutor or whatever is available.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. If it
costs him his job and his reputation, that is entirely his own fault. This may not be the first time something like this happened and if he gets away with it, it probably will not be the last time either. Who knows what it could escalate to with someone else. I would not appreciate that kind of comment made to my 24-year-old daughter and would not hesitate for one minute to report it to management. That is absolutely and completely unacceptable from anyone for any reason. He admitted he thought she was pretty and was maybe overly friendly, so, obviously he knows he's wrong and should suffer the repercussions from his inappropriate behavior. 
Disagree on aspirin
We used to prescribe Ascripton all the time to dogs with arthritis. My dog has been on one to two a day for several years now. Also my neighbors dog has been on aspirin for his arthritis. Just like people you have to watch for bleeding or hemorrhage but when she had a benign growth removed last August her blood work was better than that of an 8 year old dog. Again you have to watch for the signs of GI bleeding but it is not as potentially dangerous as the NSAID's are to the liver. Read about those side effects. I have been given hand outs on the use of aspirin by several vet's. So again -- I disagree with you.
yes..we can agree to disagree...sm
I will always take an animal's side over a humans. They cannot defend themselves. I was not judging YOU personally and you did not need to explain yourself to me. I never asked that you do. I was addressing *craters* to those that choose that over spending the time to properly train. I will argue this point no more, and I am sure you will be happy with that. you are just wrong too. have a good evening.
Others may disagree with me, but since it is cooked
I think it would be fine.
Agree or disagree
An Associates Degree isn't worth the paper its printed on. Agree or disagree?
There was lunchtime conversation about this today. One person said an Associates degree is useless because it won't help you get a better job than just having a GED or Diploma. Not worth the paper its printed on.
Another said a 2 year degree is a total waste of money. You save a lot of money by choosing a 4 year college and totally bypassing a 2 year program altogether.
Another said a batchelors degree is losing its value now & unless you have a Master's you can't get too far in any field.
Of course a masters degree would be better to have than an associates & a PHD would be even better, but doesn't an associates degree still have meaning? What do you think?
I agree and disagree....I think and would
love to see women 40 and over on VS. To see these children in ads is disheartening. Friends and I have taken polls - young people in VS with older women or just the young ones. Everyone said older women too. Older women are more sexier, confident, funny, secure, sexual and know what they want. The young ones are insecure, money hungry, have no idea what a relatinship is, and lastly, do not know about life and that life is not fun. It is hard and you have to give in order to receive. It is not all about good looks and a good body!!!
I disagree with the other poster
While forgiveness is divine, forgetting is just plain dumb. I would not let this incident go by without discussing it with the mother of the daughter as well as the teacher and the school principal. Personal space or not, that girl had no right to put her hands on your son. She was not defending herself. She was not in harms' way. If she gets away with this now, it will only continue. In public school, this kind of thing would be handled by suspension of the girl. Boy or girl, big or small, every child has the right to feel safe in school. That's one of the fundamental rights of all children. See to it that this private school enforces it. Only you can make them accountable.
I realize how angry you must be right now, but hopefully by posting this and sleeping on it tonight, you'll be able to compose yourself enough to handle this maturely.
I disagree with that old adage...
My mother remarried when I was 7 and my brother 12. My stepfather brought four kids into the family ages 5, 7, 9 and 12. Back in those days (1967) we respected people and had manners. We had problems at first but quickly became a blended family of 8. Perhaps because my parents sat us down before they married and explained that neither parent was taking the place of the biological parent.
We are all now in our late 40's to 50's and see each other on a daily basis. My brother remarried and adopted his stepdaughter. I do not think of my brothers and sisters as "step" and I call my stepfather dad and he always referred to me as his daughter - not his stepdaughter.
Bottom line, blood is not thicker than water unless you want it to be.
I have to disagree with some of these points
I do know that my natural gas bill, which is what I would be heating with, was WAY more than my electric bill. So I totally disagree with the statement that gas central heat is cheaper. My last heating bill 3 years ago (which only included gas) was $450 for one month.
What you posted says it uses .12 cph, which would equal approx $90 for 30 days, I could put 5 of them in my home before I reached my last gas bill!
Is this for everyone, no. Should it be used as a constant source of heat, probably not for most households (some single people might get away with it).
Really the only thing I saw in the article you posted against this heater was the cost of the heater. I am willing to pay that because I happen to want something that looks nice. This has a 30-day money back guarantee and a one year warranty.
Where I live anything that you can do to turn the thermostat down, if you use gas, will save you money. I need to heat my house 24/7 for about 7 months out of the year, if I had to pay for natural gas I don't know what I would do.
Heartily disagree with some of those...
I love the post office. For 42 cents, they will take my card or letter all the way across the US, to Alaska or Hawaii! I think it's the greatest bargain going. (And, no, I don't know anyone who works for the post office.)
Secondly, I would NEVER give up my land line on my telephone. Try dealing with a few conversations getting choppy and incomprehensible on a cell. Cell phones have their place, but their quality is pretty poor compared to that line stretched on the poles.
While I disagree with you... I am curious
What "chemical change" do you think it causes in their bodies? I have a bachelor's degree in Animal Science, which is mostly production, and I know that withdrawal periods on growth hormones are very long. Most cattle would get their last ear implant at 3 months of age. We generally butcher at 2 years of age. They are moved from grass to grain slowly and the change that it produces is in the microbial content of their stomachs, which is something that we do not eat. Since ruminants digest with the aid of microbes, you cannot just move them straight to grain because they cannot process it. The muscle stays the same chemically. The reason for grain finished beef is that consumers pay more money for a higher intramuscular fat content. This is what makes your steak juicy. All beef (grass fed or otherwise) has extramuscular fat trimmed to 1/4" thickness. It is only the marbling that changes from grade to grade. Personally, I am convinced that most foods are good for you, if not taken to excess. Ruminants are the only natural source of B-complex vitamins, as their bodies produce them and ours do not. You can take a vitamin, but it is usually made from beef. Corn finished beef. The only reason for corn finishing versus raising them on corn to start with is that corn is very expensive. Fat is the most expensive part of any animal's diet, so finishing is cost effective.
There are a few ways to disagree. You can
respectfully diagree, and you can be nasty and bash. The latter would be the troll.
Because I disagree, that makes me
miserable. You have no idea what kind of life I have, which by the way seems almost A letter perfect compared to most I read on this board. If I should need help, I certainly do not try to find on a forum with people who are total strangers to me and could not give me a helping hand if need be. You speak as though you are on a first name basis with these other people when in actuality you would not even know them if they walked up to your door. I would think the original poster grown; however to ask did she miss a bullet when turning down giving a ride to 2 strangers and she has to ask??? I say again, she should not be out by herself, the next time she might make a different decision and it end her life. Oh, I'm not perfect but I sure have common sense and use it and never have to ask you or others on this board for answers anyone over the age of 8 or 9 should already know.
I strongly disagree!.
I think everybody remembers the 'first time'.
It is said that no woman forgets her first lover and even if they might part, she will always have a special place in her heart for him. (Well, not everyone, it depends on him, too)
Not that I disagree well to a degree
I am sorry, but you are comparing an animal rescue to human babies; no, no, no. Animals can fend for themselves if left alone, but babies cannot.
No, she should not have gone out and did it again, but it goes along the same lines as people who do not believe in abortion. JMHO.
I'm sure the faith board would have a field day with your temperament here.
What is the difference between what this girl did and what other families that have multiple children do? Not a thing. There's a show on called Jon and Kate plus eight or something like that; check it out sometime. That mother works hard.
Another thing is, some people just want to be famous, so this is her style. I'm just not sure I agree with the "what are you thinking?" She wanted children, and now she's got them and if people feel compelled to help her, then so be it.
By the way, I believe in choice as far as abortion goes, so I'm not welcome on the fath board either, I'm sure, since most believe that abortion should be banned.
Believe me, I see where you are coming from to a degree regarding having babies on purpose, but comparing babies to animals just doesn't settle too well with me. 
I disagree with most on this issue...
I do NOT think that the counselor should have said anything to the girl's parents at all. If she were pregnant, it would be evident soon enough. It is irresponsible for an adult to lend any credibility to this sort of gossip at all, not to mention embarassing to the girl to whom it happened. I had a similar situation in Junior High, only involving smoking and not pregnancy (which I understand is a big difference), but I was a straight A student who was horrified that I was accused of something that I never would have done. I can't imagine if it had been a pregnant rumor. Adults should not get in the middle of mean adolescent gossip, it only lends it validation.
I must disagree with that. My husband
would ask that 'we' buy her groceries or necessities since she's a mother because he has a kind heart, but he wouldn't do it to feel like a hero, and he wouldn't go to that extreme of $500, ESPECIALLY without consulting me, and I would venture to say if it came to that, he would want me to handle it so that it wouldn't look improper. This is FLIRTING at the very least, if not more, and I think she should confront the situation. I'm sure her husband would not like it if the roles were reversed & it was his wife & another man. The feelings of your spouse come first, and if the woman is in need, it's something they should address as a couple if THEY decide to help her out.
I disagree about the swearing
It doesn't matter when your son swore at the other child, it still happened. If he isn't punished for it, then he'll learn he can get away with it, he just has be careful who he does it around so he doesn't get caught right then. He knows he said the swear word and I'm sure he knew it was wrong, so he should take the consequences.
I disagree with some of your reasoning
While admittedly I hate getting on the scale, MRI dosing is not the only reason for getting weighed. Sometimes, hard though it may be to believe, we don't notice things going on with our body as much as we should. Point in fact, I had a recent visit where it was discovered I had lost an inordinate amount of weight in a fairly short time. While in this case it was nothing, there are a lot of other bad things that could cause it, but while I knew I had lost some weight, I wasn't aware of the extent. Rapid weight gain can also be an indicator of a lot of problems and, speaking for myself, I know that the heavier I am, the less I notice even 20 more pounds, but the scale will notice. Also, if you're on any medication at all, weight can be a factor. Do you honestly believe that 200 mg of Motrin is going to be as effective for a 200 pound person as a 110 pound one?
Yeah, we all hate the scale. I haven't owned one for about 10 years (I probably ended up throwing that one out a window) and feel no need to rush out and buy one. But much like I let them check my pulse, temperature, respirations, and blood pressure no matter what I'm in for, it would occur to me to refuse the dreaded weight check as one more piece of my medical info.
You can disagree, no problem but
I would definitely know if I had either a rapid weight gain or weight loss but then I happen to know my body well. I do have a scale at home, maybe you should invest in one if you are not that familiar with knowing if you gain or loss big amounts. If you want to weigh, go at it. Me I don’t care do, don’t do and a doctor never goes back and looks on the weight thingy and says, oh let me see you are this much so let me prescribe this much. Not done.
I disagree with you. OP has a very nasty LL
who evicts her immediately after she could not pay the rent on time. I doubt that this is even legal to evict sb immediately after the first time being late with the rent payment. She should talk with the LL, he could be a bit more compasssionate, especially in these times.
I disagree with you, won't blast you, but will respond...
In my opinion, the largest selling holiday of the year is Christmas...period. If these businesses want to peddle their products, then they ought not pull Christmas out of their advertising. That stinks. I don't think it was ever mentioned that ONLY Christmas be advertised. BOTH, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays could be advertised together. But, on the Christian side of things, I think that they went too far when they tried to lump every other religious holiday together to try to be politically correct and remove Merry Christmas, which is a greeting that has been used for many, many years. Also, Christians don't try to push Santa Claus out of Christmas. Not every religious holiday falls on December 25th, so that in itself seems inproper.
I disagree, it is bad manners to just drop in - sm
now if you have friends that you have that open door policy with fine, but most people prefer warning so they can do a quick house clean/pick up, or have the opportunity to say no, now is not a good time. My mom always taught me to (1) wait to be invited over to someone's house and not invite yourself over there, (2) call before visiting someone. I like to be called first since our house is usually messy and this allows me time to put things away and clean up some. At my one neighbor's friends in the summer people descend upon their house every Friday night, it is crazy, eat all their food and drink all their beer, she has had it. She doesn't mind now and then but this is a regular thing. She's a direct type of person too but she doesn't want to come off rude and tell them all to get lost either. We only go down when asked and we are pretty good friends probably because of it.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I still
feel very strongly that his comment was inappropriate and should be reported. If you don't feel that way, that's fine too. We would each have to weigh the consequences and repercussions that we might face and decide if we're willing to risk it. Have a blessed day!
Disagree! Love crates...sm
You Wrote: *You would not treat your child this way, so why treat a pet this way?*
Actually, we DO 'treat' children this way - we use cribs, bassinets, playpens, baby gates, etc. to keep babies and toddlers restricted to a smaller, more manageable area until they're little older - and no one thinks for a second that those things are cruel, right? (Though they could be, if misused.) A crate for a dog, *when used responsibly* is no different, IMO.
I certainly don't agree with someone keeping a dog in a crate for 9-10 hours a day while they're at work or whatever, coming home and letting the dog out only to relieve itself, eat, run around a little, then right back into the crate all night. That *would* be terribly cruel and more like a prison cell.
But what about a puppy or adolescent dog that isn't fully housebroken or trustworthy unsupervised in the house when you have to leave for an hour to run an errand, or at night while everyone is asleep?
I think it's far more humane to crate them for a bit while you're gone than to leave them loose to ruin your carpet, chew up your furniture, get into the trash and eat something that will require a vet visit, chew on an electrical cord, etc.
I've done it both ways, with a crate and w/o, and I think the crate is by far the better choice, for the person and the puppy. I would no more leave a puppy loose and unsupervised in my house than I would leave a toddler that way. Way too dangerous.
Those of you who don't believe in crates, what do you do when you have to leave a puppy unsupervised? My guess is, you put up a baby gate, or put them in an uncarpeted room like the bathroom or whatever, which is just a little bigger version of a crate! You still have to confine them somehow. If you don't and you leave them loose and unsupervised, you risk damage to your belongings and their safety. Or do you put them outside, where they can also get into trouble, get hurt, get out of the yard and get lost, get stolen...?
I'm just not understanding the aversion to crates that some people have. 
If you disagree with a certain belief or action, then don't do it YOURSELF... but
don't try to force your beliefs upon others who may not share them with you. Everyone has a different situation. Dif'rent strokes for dif'rent folks, ya know.
Well that I definitely disagree with - he cheated and you still talk?
Not me :) That is sort of giving him a message that he didn't do something all that bad or not that big a deal IMO. Seems the pattern has been going on for years, though, is he on his third wife now? lol You don't need friends like that. If one of your girlfriends betrayed you and slept with your husband would you remain friends with her? I doubt it.
Gee, sorry I had the audacity to disagree with the opinion of the OP.
I really thought that's what this forum was all about, expressing opinions, discussing subjects and getting information. Sorry that I misunderstood the purpose of the forum. 
Agree and disagree....all depends.
For the majority of the jobs out there, total waste of time unless it's just a stepping stone to get a higher degree and ya have to do it little by little because of time, cost, etc.
However, sometimes it's the experience employers want and they are happy with a GED so long as the job they want gets done and gets done the way they want it. One of our buds has a Bachelor's in computer somethin' or other and has been looking for work for well over a year now. Our other bud, who has real-life experience, is pulling $100,000 doing computer stuff and only has a high school diploma!
(Yep, always frosts our tuckases to hang out with him and have him brag about that fact too!  )
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