There were a lot of albino deer in Shenandoah Natl Park.
Posted By: sm on 2007-11-16
In Reply to: Any one else ever seen one of these - romey
I don't know if they are still a "problem". A while back, hunters were asked to specifically look for and thin them from the herds -- something to do with weakening the gene pool. I don't know anything about wildlife management, but I know that I've seen a good number of albino deer in SNP. It is exciting to see them!
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Is it an albino deer?
If so they don't usually live long. Eyesight in all albinos bad. Also, easier for predators to spot.
albino deer
Native Americans think they're sacred. I can't remember the legend but I think it's amazingly good luck to you.
Philly and Shenandoah NP
It sounds like you enjoy U.S. history. If so, you shouldn't miss my hometown of Philadelphia. See Independence Hall, the Liberty Bell, and all the other sites run by the national park service. Olde City is the part of town that Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams walked through. Philly is a very walkable city, easy to get around. In addition, we have a great food culture here; everything from street food to haute cuisine. The Phila Museum of Art is pretty amazing. (It's not just the place where Rocky ran the steps.)
If you're looking for some beautiful vistas and you plan on being in DC anyway, it's not a very long drive to Shenandoah National Park, the first national park on the east coast. Geographically, the park is a long narrow strip through the Blue Ridge Mountains. You can camp, hike or stay at one of the lodges. Big Meadows is my favorite lodge, but stay in one of the annex rooms there, and pay a little extra for a room with a view/balcony. I love a little wine and cheese on the balcony while watching the sunset behind Masanutten Mountain. Be sure to try the buckwheat pancakes and blackberry syrup for breakfast. You can hike part of the famed Appalachian Trail if you'd like, or take part in some of the ranger programs. The place is full of history, as well. You can hike to, or ride the ranger van down to Camp Hoover, President Hoover's "Camp David". The new visitor's center at Big Meadows tells about the role of the CCC in the park during the Depression, and also the controversy about moving the local people out of the park to make way for the national park. There are beautiful waterfalls to hike to. (I'm not crazy about Dark Hollow Falls, which is the closest to the road and can be crowded during the summer.)You can also do some horseback riding in the park, as well. Shenandoah's Skyline Drive is also very, very popular with bikers (motorcycle and the pedal crowd). The drive is 100 miles long, with vistas, wayside cafes, campgrounds and two lodges along the way.
While you're on the east coast, be sure to have at least one breakfast at a diner!
These are my top two suggestions, but I have lots more. Email me if you'd like to hear more.
I am in PA. I would like to go to the New River Gorge in W. Va. and do some of the Shenandoah on
the way. Neat area. I love W. VA but the roads are unbelievably winding.
glad to hear this; t.v. hosts/reporters are ignorant; I would have told her so, on natl t.v.
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dog park
I've never been to a dog park....Sounds like Cedric had a great time. Thanks for sharing the trail pic with you and the kids...that was precious, so peaceful....looks kinda like my backyard (a wilderness preserve).
You're a great dog mommy!... Cat
We have deer here also but
I hope never to see a bear out in the open here. I know no matter how cute, they are still wild. Just on the news yesterday morning a guy who had permit to raise deer killed by 1 of them while feeding as male in rut and he and his family knew aggressive. He had all kind of wildlife on property including beer. Like your own animals, they can and will turn sometimes.
Thanks, yes it is, and especially PARK. (sm)
I've been driving a huge Ford Freestar, so this is itsy bitsy to me. When you open the tiny hood, the engine says VVT1. I believe this stands for Very, Very Tiny One. :o}
I would park nearby
Where you would not be suspicious and wait for someone coming out with a bank deposit bag. I'd follow them when they took it to the bank.
Deer for pets
I am having a similar problem with my neighbor. Her yard adjoins our yard and she puts out food for the deer right on the property line. I don't mind the deer as they are pretty to watch, but it has gone from 2-3 deer from 5 years ago to nearly 10 deer constantly including bucks. They walk from the woods through our yard to go to her yard to eat. It has gotten to the point where the deer are roaming about all hours of the day, not just at dusk. I, too, see them roaming the neighborhood. One has come up on my front porch before. I have small children as do my other neighbors and I am concerned that they are going to startle the deer and someone might get bitten. I tell my kids to not to ever approach the deer and give them their distance. I am also concerned about deer ticks too.
I asked her if she would not feed the deer on the property line as it is causing a potentially unsafe situation and she got very huffy about it and said she was an animal lover and it was her right to feed the deer if she so desired. I tried to explain to her about the kids, not only mine but other kids, and the dangers of wild animals being in the yard and roaming around and she basically told me to "mind my own business."
I don't know in Pennsylvania what the laws are about having deer for pets or feeding them, etc, but I have heard in other states it is illegal.
Is there a local park with tables to have it at?
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Well because you can take the girl out of the trailer park
but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl ;)
Sunday walk in the park
DH and I were walking the dogs in a small park yesterday and a reddish bird swooped in front of us. It was the same color as a thrasher, but since he landed on a nearby tree limb I stopped to check. It was a tiny owl. Apparently an Eastern screech owl. They are common yet rarely noticed, so we thought it was really neat. The dogs never reacted to him at all, and the owl seemed as curious about us as we were about him. Our faces were maybe 4 feet from him.
OMG - I just saw your post, Hyde Park NY
Your post just reminded me of how my mother used to take me to the Vanderbilt Mansion and FDR's home both in Hyde Park, NY ALL THE TIME when I was growing up. I did a couple of book reports on FDR too.
I didn't care for the golden-looking Vanderbilt Mansion (hey, I was a kid...*lol*) but I loved FDR's home. I remember the leash of Fala (his dog) laying across his bed...I had to be 6 to 14 years old when these trips occurred. Mother also then took me to the Catskill Game Farm where we fed animals and I don't think many were caged, or my memory is failing on that.
Just brought back my past and where I grew up...... Thanks for that!!
And now I'm turning on my TIVO'd Anderson Cooper *grins*....for those who might not know, Gloria Vanderbilt is Anderson's Mom.....
Cedric's first trip to the dog park
We had no idea how Cedric would do at the dog park, but his play with Sasha in our own backyard has been quite boisterous, and I wanted him to try playing with younger dogs. We brought him in and all he wanted to do was smell the fragrances around the gate. He looked alarmed to see other dogs roaming around. We could not coax him away from the gate, and finally DH leashed him up and walked him all around the inside perimeter and ended up on the far side. At this point he started cautiously sniffing actual dogs, and before long he was willing to romp a little as long as it was just one dog at a time. He did a little running and was having a great time, even when just watching a big pack of dogs running. You could see how he was learning all about interacting with dogs and playing with balls. At the very end it occurred to him there were also people to meet, but it was getting dark and Sasha wanted to walk the park path, so we did that. Cedric liked that too, but at first when he saw the tennis players whacking stuff with rackets, it confused him.
Then we got some food and gave the dogs their tiny bites, which is always a treat for them.
When we got home, Cedric climbed all over DH to show his appreciation, and today he has been lying at his feet. Plus, he has a new appreciation for a tennis ball we have, and when he got up on the couch with me, he chewed on that instead of me.
A very good activity for Cedric.
I'm a deer widow this weekend SO
I'm cleaning out the closets and going through my husband's drawers. I swear he has underwear that I don't know what in the world they could cover since they are so tattered!
I'd like to clean my desk and under my bed as well but that may have to wait until he's gone again next weekend.
Is it legal to keep a wild deer as a pet? sm
Someone has had a wild pet deer for a pet in our subdivision for a few years now. I am a serious animal lover myself, but it has gotten rather old having this deer roaming through the roads and, most of all, eating landscape plants down to nothing. We have sprayed deer repellent on nearly everything, but the one little area we miss will be chewed right away. Besides, we have to keep doing it over and over and this stuff is not cheap. Really getting tiresome. Do not want to be mean, but what rights do the homeowners in here have??
I do believe it's illegal to feed the deer in PA
because of the harm it causes (see other postings). Your neighbor might get in some serious trouble for doing this. My father and uncles were deer hunters and every year would put salt licks out for them, but about 30 years ago, they stopped. I really don't know the reason, but I would seriously do some checking on this.
You could tell your neighbor that she's making it easier on the hunters as they will start trusting humans and think that they (hunters) are coming to feed them. If that doesn't get her to stop, then show some printed material on the laws. DH isn't hunting this year or I would look it up in the manual he used to get.
Yes, indeed, it is illegal to feed deer in PA.
It's never a good idea to feed them, anywhere. I was just reading an article about this. When deer are fed, they tend to concentrate where the food is being left for them. The local population of deer increases, the food left out for them is not enough to support all of the deer, and so many of them starve. It's actually counter-productive. Deer adapt to the winter weather. They spread out in their environment. Their metabolism slows. They move less and eat less. Some die over the winter, of course. It is nature, after all. But feeding them is not good for them. Your animal loving neighbor is actually hurting the deer.
Think you need a permit to actually keep deer as pets...sm
but I couldn't find anything on the Game Commission website about it being illegal to feed them. They do strongly discourage it, though, for a lot of what you posted.
If you have not yet seen the deer and cat video treat yourself to
something wonderful. Copy and paste and enjoy. This is truly beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rooyt3ptNco
I'll join you in Jurassic Park!
I'm a dinosaur, too. I don't see the need for teenagers to have their own cars. But, my eldest did inherit his grandfather's sturdy little car. He was nearly 18 when that happened, and his high school was in the next county. For the last six months of school, he skipped the hour-long bus ride and was able to drive to school and save about 40 minutes in his commute to school. He drove on the days he needed to be home to work after school at a movie theater, about 12 hours a week. He was also a great help to me in driving his younger brothers to events when my schedule was over-booked.
I have friends who gift their children brand new, expensive cars at the age of 16, and I just don't understand that. The kids seem to be using the vehicles to further their social lives, and they certainly aren't paying attention to the road. And you are very correct about so many angry and distracted drivers on the road. It's a scary thing to put a teenager on the road alone. This is why we raised the age level to 17 in our home, even though the Commonwealth of PA seems to think that 16-1/2 is age appropriate for driving.
no kids, no deer - will that stuff keep other animals off?
Home Depot is just around the corner - I have a 6 foot stockade fence and live in the city - I am sure there are no deer - possibly possoms, no deer.
What a lovely idea. I can do this at a park that she and I both took my children to when they were
!
your Trailer Park attitude is probably not helping
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Whenever I watch one of the Jurassic Park movies,
velociraptors. But mostly T-rexes. The weird part is, I and the people I'm with in the dream aren't really AFRAID of it, but it's presence is an almost-daily ANNOYANCE that we have to take cover from as the dinosaur passes by. In one dream, right in the middle of some sort of fun activity, "Dang! The Rex is coming!" and we all ended up hiding in a bunker of some kind 'til it went away.
chittlins and mauls....deer jerky...sm
Anyone else out there cooking specialty items for the holiday? Cat
care for the handicap person who tries to park there. Ask her why she uses the tag.
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I live in condo and go to park to grill out. SM
I use an automatic lighter, but the thing stinks. It's just a cheapie thing, maybe they all are. Are there any better lighters out there? I'm not taking Sharper Image, but just something better you might use to light candles, start a fire or what not?
I'm sure I sound stupid. I'm not exactly Miss Handyperson. If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it. Or should I just go to Home Depot and try to find someone (which is the problem with that place) to help.
This has to be the dumbest question asked all day on this board, I know.
Britney = trailer park trash.........no message
Deer and rabbits especially think my garden is an outdoor diner. (sm)
Have tried multiple things, can keep rabbits out of green beans, peas and lettuce until they get larger and not so palatable by using chicken wire bent over the rows and pegged down. The deer seem to prefer to just rip smaller branches off the fruit trees and really seem to hit the melons hard.
One of the things that I have tried and works pretty well for me is Irish Spring tied in the branches of fruit trees. I suppose it is the smell they don't like.
Anything else you come up with, please share.
The produce in the store isn't going to do anything but get higher with strikes, etc.
Oh, my dog is Michael Jordan. I swear she's part deer!
We just moved to the country, but when we lived in town, she jumped the fence I don't know how many times. When she wants in the house, it's not enough to simply scratch on the door, she has to jump six feet in the air and basically throw herself into the door.
I just get so frustrated. I was at friends house who has a golden retriever and they have a little bell hanging from their back doorknob and when their dog wants out, he simple rings the bell and same thing on the outside of the door too. I was incredulous. How did they get their dog to do that?!?!?!
they let the nudists play in the park and ride their bikes through town
Link Below.
I forgot: ecargots, rabbit-, deer- shark-meat.s are no,no for me, too..nm
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groundhogs,squirrels, wild turkeys, rabbits, raccoon, goat and deer meat..sm
Some folks just take for granted that they can walk into a market and shop for meat...We've done the same for similar reasons as you and nothing was wasted. At least you're self sufficient!!! And, I bet you've put up/canned/frozen all the vegetables from the summer/fall harvest.
Didn't mean to be flippant in my earlier post...whack it, hack it, pack it and stack it... Cat
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