There is a religious not hygenic reason for circumcision.
Posted By: Golda on 2009-02-08
In Reply to: Do you think infant male circumcision is child abuse? - nm
Like so many Jewish commandments, the brit milah is commonly perceived to be a hygienic measure; however the biblical text states the reason for this commandment quite clearly: circumcision is an outward physical sign of the eternal covenant between G-d and the Jewish people. It is also a sign that the Jewish people will be perpetuated through the circumcised man. The health benefits of this practice are merely incidental. It is worth noting, however, that circumcised males have a lower risk of certain cancers, and the sexual partners of circumcised males also have a lower risk of certain cancers.
The commandment is binding upon both the father of the child and the child himself. If a father does not have his son circumcised, the son is obligated to have himself circumcised as soon as he becomes an adult. A person who is uncircumcised suffers the penalty of kareit, spiritual excision; in other words, regardless of how good a Jew he is in all other ways, a man has no place in the World to Come if he is uncircumcised.
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circumcision, yes or no, definitely yes!
It is not a necessary procedure, I agree. But it is better to do it, out of hygenic reasons.
It gives a little pain for the baby, it most probably cries more for being exposed and cold.
It does not in any way minimize the sensitivity in later life.
There are cases where in later years the foreskin does NOT expand and leads to phimosis ( an abnormal tightness of the foreskin preventing retraction over the glans) and the then necessary surgical procedure is much more painful.
Just let it go, I say yes to circumcision...nm
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Mulisms and circumcision
Islam - Circumcision is not symbolic of being part of the Muslim community, as it is in Judaism, but most Muslims circumcise their sons. Though circumcision is not specifically mandated or mentioned in the Qur'an, many Muslims believe it is necessary because Allah ordered Muhammad to follow the way of Abraham, who circumcised himself. Many Muslims also believe circumcision is a form of cleanliness.
I am also going to speak to my friend Sharif and see what he experienced regarding circumcision growing up in Morocco as a Muslim.
By the way, to those who believe that all Muslims are terrorists and want to do harm to us, you really should meet some Muslim people and get to know them. They are some of the finest people I have ever known.
Jews against circumcision
http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/
I am PRO CIRCUMCISION, so I am NOT A STINKY GIRL, YOU ARE! nm
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Do you think infant male circumcision is child abuse?
Would you say that its child abuse?? Never thought of it that way before. Came across this article that discusses this question, interesting read. See link below.
Deeni, I respect your opinion, but I held both my sons during circumcision......sm
my dirtly little secret, I used to be an LPN and CMA, used to surgical technology. It takes seconds, and while I had silent tears and I worried and fretted, but they were fine, and Nola is not misinformed here, being in clinical practice for years, and working for general surgeons, I saw many men, some in their 40s, 50s, and 60s, who had infection after infection because they could not retract the foreskin the right way, phimosis is painful and can become precancerous, and yes, we had some gentlemen with penile cancer. As I said, I was able to snuggle and nurse my baby boys both times right after circumcision, no problems. Men's anatomy is so different (!!!!) from female's (duh), so you cannot compare the unsterile, crude labial circimcisions done in third world countries with what is done in hospital for our baby boys. Anatomy just dictates this. I was so glad when my daughter was born, it was not even anything to worry about!
This is exactly why some of us are not religious ! LOL
I am quite content with my life the way it is, thank you :)
please get off your religious soapbox....SM
How DARE you infer that anyone who isn't *born again* isn't getting into heaven......You are insulting the black community and the Jewish and Muslim communities among MANY OTHERS.
Please get off your religious fanatic soapbox.............
FOR. I don't see them as a religious statement - sm
but rather, a statement of love for the person who died there, an expression of sadness that they were lost, and a little reminder to everyone else driving past it to back off on the throttle a little bit.
Actually, certain religious groups have to earn their
way to Heaven by "saving" people - getting them to hear the salvation message and be "born again"...They keep a tally, and believe that God keeps a tally, and first of all earn their place in heaven and then lots of bonus perks - some jewels in crowns, certain seats at the big old banquet table, positions of authority, etc. In particular, the Jehovahs' W group focuses on this. Poor things - they want us to believe that Heaven is for everyone, while they are busy earning bonus points - sort of like the old Green Stamp days, or earning frequent flyer miles! So, they don't care that they are obnoxious and in our faces - they believe this is what they have to do, and it has its perks in their sick minds. Poor things. And I believe this confrontational style in any religion turns away far more than it saves - even THE savior was meek and nonconfrontational - he never forced himself on anyone - but some just don't get it...though they will some day.
No MT, politics or religious posts here. NM
Goldbird
I'd still like a place to discuss religious
or nonreligious beliefs for those of us who are not Christian. I'm sure that is not allowed on the Gab board, which is okay, but where does one go then?
I love hearing other points of view if they are willing to hear mine, and that certainly goes for Christians as well.
Have you spoken with your religious advisor?
If you have one, you might want to try that route. It may be that because she was so well-behaved before that talking with someone she respects would make her realize how bad her behavior is. Kids at that age can be awful; I know I was. I never did drugs or drank, but I really resented my parents for always being on my back. I think with the situation she is in now, you need to stay a step ahead of her. Good luck. I'll be thinking of you.
No, not adherence to religious dogma at all (sm)
Christians believe that every person on Earth is a sinner, and for our sins to be forgiven, we believe that Jesus was and is God's son and that we can pray to God and tell him that we believe Jesus died for our sins. There is plenty of evidence to be found to show that Jesus was not just some nice guy or prophet who died on a cross. Believe me, I looked into it when I had doubts. As for adherence to religious dogma, if you study the teachings of Jesus himself, you will see that he was against those who clung too tightly to their religious beliefs, the Pharisees, who thought they were better than others. Jesus did not hang around ultra-religious pious people, but instead hung around those who were hated in their community, and caused quite a bit of gossip because of it. He stopped the stoning of a woman who was caught having unmarried sex with someone else's husband and said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. No one threw a stone. That is how it is supposed to be.
Ask your religious leader what he thinks about
it -- isn't that why they make those tithe envelopes with stubs on them? I claim all deductions that I have a record of.
The hyper-religious phase
The world's hyper-religious phase is almost out of style,but it has been a long run don't you think?
I taught sunday school for years and I was considered not "religious enough." The next generations will not care for all the "in your face" stuff either.
All the same, you still have a lot to do to get down to two trucks and looks like DH is ready to leave yesterday! So I won't pray for you, but I will say get busy!
Religious conviction is a narrow road for some.
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Btw, wasnt thinkin of this from a religious standpoint
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I disagree with that...Gab is for all but not for religious discussions I guess so (sm)
It would only be fair to give others who are non-Christian but want to discuss religion a forum to do so. The thing is I am a Christian but I love to hear others' points of view as well. But if we can't discuss that on Gab board, and can't discuss it on Christianity board because it would be offensive, then I guess we can't discuss it here at all?
Religious difference between husband and wife?
I am Christian and interested in a guy who is Jewish. What are the pros and cons of marrying someone from other religion?
Give me a broader view of problems that can arise in a relationship when your spouse is from other religion in general and Christian/Jewish marriages in particular.
TIA.
adminstrator...can we have a religious political radical board until the election?...sm
so as not to disturb the rest of the flotsam and jetsam of the gab board? So far everyone has been reasonable... Cat
Religious posts and political posts go to appropriate boards. NM
Goldbird
I have had several, unfortunately. Is there a reason they did
an ultrasound at 7 weeks and again at 10 weeks? Mine were later attributed to the genetics of my husband's connective tissue disorder, but we were unaware of his diagnosis during that time. However, I am curious as to why they would be following you so closely with ultrasounds at this point in your pregnancy. (((hugs)))
Reason
The reason I asked is because our 3 year-old neighbor girl walks around with hers all the time. Drives me nuts. Like you said, cannot understand them when they talk. I figure if potty trained can get rid of that too. Of course they like to brag about what a big girl she is now, but........
Ok, the reason why I ask, of course, is
the medication you possibly might have been taking but back to the drawing board. I took synthroid since the late 80s and my hairs, yes hairs, about 2 of them left was worrying the crap outta me. Read here and then other places Synthroid was known for causing the hair loss. By the way, it does not get better. Mine had gotten to the point of my wearing wigs and thinking about hair replacement but since overall, hair replacement not an ideal plan for me. I went to endo physician, told him not taking the medicine any more and asked for Armour. The hair is growing back and I am a happy girl. I at 1 time had the real lush hair so the falling out really did not get better until I changed the medicine. Oh, BTW, for the person whose hair comes out more after shampooing, mine did exactly the same, could run my hand through it and it came out in gobs. I feel your pain because I was there also.
No reason given so far...
I think she didn't think AJ could ever be a Tony...provide for her in the way Carm is provided for...just a guess. Love that show, absolutely the best writing and acting bar none! When that goes, so does my HBO, but I do like Big Love too!
the reason they
are taking it this far is because it is a drug-resistant form of TB.
I don't think they are quarantining each and every one of his clients are they? But yeah, if a person has TB and they are noncompliant with taking the medication they can actually be locked up for the period of time that they need to take the medication. Its a serious thing.
One reason might be that
girls are starting earlier, and the younger they are, the more likely mom's help will be treasured. What girl wants to be caught at school unprepared? Also, lines of communication need to be open because back when I was in school, there was no time allowed for bathroom breaks longer than about 30 seconds, so this can cause real management problems if you know what I mean.
This is something I would rather do without and the reason
first of all handing out money to people who do not even file taxes and handing out more money to stimulate the economy only is working against it. You don’t spend more when we are already in a recession. The people paying the most taxes are the ones getting the least out of this. Oh I love the way the gov works. If I get something plan on putting in the bank to draw interest to pay for the taxes I will be charged on it come 2009.
Reason behind my not asking
dont have to count on a job really anymore- doing now because want to- in the past raising family and such -only chump change needed now.
One reason would be
drugs like methamphetamine! Also, the easy times we had for so long are sort of bad for moral values. As a society we think we're entitled to have it all, whether we have worked for it or not. Even gluttony comes from this attitude, I believe. During hard times, sure there was crime driven by poverty, but it was a whole other country crime-wise. Men came back from the war with DRIVE to better themselves. They found wives and settled down to work and make something of themselves. They understood there was some luck involved too, and took it in stride. If they stumbled, they tried again. They had discipline. They expected nothing handed on a platter. That's why they are considered the Greatest Generation; hard times built character.
yes. I did. My son is the reason that...
I started doing transcription. I may not make quite as much as I used to, but I do not have to pay for daycare and I get to be home with my son, not to mention the gas money I save (especially when fuel was so high). I think that working outside of the home was easier than doing all of the housework, taking care of the baby (soon to be babies in a week, or so) and working. Even if I still had to do all of the housework, soimebody else watching my son would make my job that much easier. I choose, however, to stay home with him and work a little harder. What I do miss is daily adult interaction--especially with my husband in Iraq right now.
Yes for some reason or the other....sm
the girlfriend is out of the picture now. Maybe she saw his true colors.
The only reason I could see for not
letting someone work as a nurse or whatever with epilepsy is that they would have to wait a while if they had a seizure to make sure it had not become a chronic problem, just like not being able to drive for a certain length of time after a seizure.
no, that's not the reason.
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Right, and men usually marry for one reason
for someone to take over their mom's job :)
Maybe that is the reason for my neighbors
still having their lights on the house, and ON.
The reason they did the 2nd ultrasound was...sm
when I went for the monthly checkup yesterday they didn't hear the heartbeat on the external doppler; however, at my stage they told me before hand that they don't always hear it. They said that since I had the prior miscarriage that if I'd like they could do the ultrasound just so we could see the heartbeat and confirm all was still going well. The midwife I saw was just as surprised as my husband & I that the sonogram gave the results it did. We see the doctor this afternoon after the lab results come back from the blood work they drew yesterday. I am having some light spotting this morning. I'm trying to stay calm in case the sonogram was wrong but know that more than likely the baby did die.
The reason for the Pamelor is
hopefully to get a good nights sleep as the rheumatologist said so important because of my flare of fibromyalgia which has gone on for over a month now. No depression at all and not prescribed for this. I took the smaller dose last night, went to sleep around 11:30 and up with pain at 5 something this morning, so not getting the amount of rest I should. Hurting with the fibro has now put me into shingles. I want to know when the fun starts!!
I agree. The only reason she is on
is because of those x-rated pics of hers.
if there should only be 1 reason to abort
if you are pregnant by rape or incest, do you want to keep the child and explain to that child why he was born, do you not tell the child, and give up for adoption, when there are too many children waiting now, and most adopted children want to know/find their real parents, how does a child of rape/incest feel about themself, does anybody know, and they live their entire life knowing where they came from, and do you tell him who the waste-of-oxygen-and-taxpayers-money father is....
I have tuned it all out for a reason
I hate this happened to all those fine people. I told hubs yesterday the news channels should not be playing information about the killer, giving him credit and showing the ranting and raving of someone apparently totally out of control and that would be what the killer want. I had this "I told you so" morning when the news people said exactly what I had just said yesterday. I get so saturated with watching things like this and getting teary and sad, as in 9/11, Katrina and the like. I intentionally did not look except when the story first broke and then not long. My heart just breaks seeing stories like this and I am trying to keep my nose to the grindstone.
No. Never have been for some strange reason.
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exactly! and the main reason why a certain--sm
someone does not want the war to end yet...too much money in it for him. blah!
I would think nonpayment would be the best reason to be
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Thank you for a voice of reason
I think there are more than one or two of us in this predictament. Making the changes I'm trying to make right now is actually exacerbating the anxiety, but I know it's my only way out and in the long-run will alleviate the anxiety. My body and mind have been screaming at me for a year now, I can't live on Xanax to keep this job, I'm getting less and less effective and more apathetic. My spouse is supportive and has recently put his foot down on "no dinners at the computer" and "no vacations where I look at you hunched over a computer," and "tell them to take their vacation policy and stick it where the sun doesn't shine." I think I needed that nudge and am glad for the support, though I still feel someewhat guilty when I don't push myself to the limit.
Quietmoods, you're not alone.
If you would take into consideration this is for a reason
and it has to do with the viability of a fetus. Miscarriages have to do with the fact a baby cannot make it living outside the womb for 1 reason or another. It is nature's way of saying something not right here. I had a miscarriage, was not bothered in that I know the reasoning behind. It is very easy to get pregnant after a miscarriage, by the way. I did and then months later had a daughter. When a person dies even I accept with if it were not to be, wouldn’t be.
reason why I asked
I was wondering if you used one of the cat containment systems such as the one below.
http://www.catfence.com/ Would love to use it when I have my own place.
I lie to mine for the same reason
Everything is a big d*** deal. I've most of my life the past 23 years being a buffer between the kids and my husband, the bills and my husband, etc. It's sometimes gotten to me in big, big trouble. I mean, I do love him, but when I know he isn't going to be home, I actually look forward to it. I'm much more relaxed. I wish I didn't "have" to lie. I wish he didn't get so mad about every little thing from the basement smells to politics. I wish I could look forward to the evenings and weekends, but I just don't. It sounds like several of us are in the same boat.
I think the reason the gay community has been
'flaunting' their preferences is because they feel it's time they had the same rights as heterosexuals, and there are certainly plenty of those making out on the beach, as well. For centuries the religious right has persecuted them. If you look closely, most religions are the root cause behind prejudice, persecution, and violence towards certain groups of people that are of a different mindset.
I happen to have lots of gay friends, and some are 'flaming', so to speak, and others you would never guess that they're gay. But ALL of them are extremely well educated, make tons more money than I do as an MT, pay taxes, support their communities, and in several communities in particular in my area, have taken run-down neighborhoods and turned them into the most desirable real-estate in the area. Some have kids, some have pets, some are artists/performers, others are doctors or lawyers, and they're totally nice people and loyal friends. So if they want to get into a lip-lock in public and I happen to see it, it doesn't bother me at all. Love is love.
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