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Then why did you just say it would teach tolerance? Apparently there was a goal. sm

Posted By: MeMT on 2008-10-16
In Reply to: This is just a simple wedding. Nothing more, - nothing less.

I will teach my children love and tolerance myself. I carried them in my body and ate healthy foods, gave birth, and have taken care of them since the day they were born. I make the decisions for them. Thank God for now Americans are still free and we get to make those choices for our own children. And I would bet you don't have any.

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Field trip to see lesbian wedding - educational or not?
- My child would not be attending...sm - blondie_1147
- Let's look at it this way - Old part-timer
  - Wrong. And why do you think a same-sex marriage - is going to be any different than -sm
    - OMG - Old P-T was NOT stating the ceremonies were different - get a grip
      - She claims a wedding "isn't educational material". - For a 1st-grader, everything is educational!
        Well, this is one educational moment they - don't need for their future... MSMT
        "open-mindedness will not get them a job - later in life
        Bet me! - SF
- Oh please. I live in SF, and the kids are going to see their - TEACHER get married... -sm
  - The question was not are you for/against gay marriages - -sm
    - In a city with a large gay/lesbian population, gay -sm - SF
      - For example, I have a lot of opinions and beliefs....do you want to send your child (or another chil - MeMT
        This is just a simple wedding. Nothing more, - nothing less.
        Then why did you just say it would teach tolerance? Apparently there was a goal. sm - MeMT
        Today's children are tomorrow's leaders and - lawmakers. Would you rather - sm
        Of course I would want to be equally valued. Why can't that be taught at home? nm - MeMT
        It can't because most parents (read this board!) are NOT - tolerant nor open-minded. - nm
      - I still think it should be the parents who teach the child these things, not the school's place. - MeMT
        In too many cases, that would just perpetuate - the myths, fears, and hatred.
        But this is not a school-wide accepted teaching practice, it is individual (nm) - MeMT
        Maybe not in the midwest, but in San Francisco, - tolerance is taught in our schools.
        Last time I was in SF, there was NAKED biking group parading down the road. Now THAT was educational - MeMT
        So what? It's a minor blip in everyday city life. - .
        Do you have kids? Do you want them seeing some stranger's penis or vagina? nm - MeMT - last post - aren't you glad?
        haha - I've seen a penis or two in town, but golly - - never taking the time to see a vagina!
        No, in the MW our kids go to school to get an acutal - education - how silly of us nm
        If intolerance is part of the MW curriculum, then - I'm glad my kid lives in SF.
        Everyone belongs somewhere; it sounds like you are in the right place....see msg - nm
        That's it exactly. And you're welcome to come - visit this beautiful city any time!
- And this is why our country is going to h@ll in a - a handbasket........nm
- I'd be all over that school with an attorney for it. - Ridiculous
- So did they do this on school time? - -sm
  - It's not on school time. - nm
- If this was MY child??? sm - MT and worn out
  - If it were MY child, I'd buy her a pretty dress to wear - and tell her to have a good time.
    - If wanting to teach my son our own family values makes me a bigot..then so be it. sm - MT and worn out
      - Pretty sad to stunt a child's intellectual growth. - .
      - What a bunch of kooks - NM
  - Unfortunately, the schools stick their nose in many things that should be the parents job (sm) - MeMT
    - Any parent who choses to has the option of - keeping their kid home.
- Not educational. This is something that should be the parents job to teach, not the school. sm - MeMT
  - Chances are, this is an outdoor, nondominational - wedding. There are likely school district -

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That does seem to be the goal
that the docs have set to change over to the electronic technology we're seeing in doctor's offices now. It's getting to be all about clicking boxes and taking control of quality, per the article I read from an AMA conference.

that is my goal for this year...
to have all shopping, wrapping, etc. done by Thanksgiving (my favorite holiday) so I can enjoy the season for once! I start shopping on Monday...just waiting on the cha-ching! Happy holidays everyone!!!

same here. I keep my calorie goal at 1200 or less
you would be surprised at how much better you feel when you give up pasta/rice/bread!!!

TOLERANCE
Yes, tolerance is good, but why do they not tolerate being in the country of others and respect us and our language and mores? I tolerate them and their language and mores when in their country. Did you notice that all the others whose ancestors came over here are not trying to change our culture, simply sharing theirs with us to the extent that we want or need to know? They demand nothing. So, why are Hispanics so special?

Tolerance

This is my personal stance, my personal opinion and I am allowed to have it as much as anyone else is allowed to have theirs:

I do not have to, nor will I, be tolerant toward behavior that I believe to be fundamentally wrong, anti-God, anti-Christian and morally corrupt. It is MY RIGHT not to like it, not to tolerate it, and not to put up with it.

I do not punish or shun those who practice lifestyles that I am morally opposed to; however, I will not ever say that I agree with such.

Thank goodness my children are grown now but it is still the right of every parent to teach their child the moral principles they wish to instill. It is not the school's right, not the government's nor any self-proclaimed group's authority to act on to ensure they are accepted equally.

I don't care about political correctness. If we are going to pressure-cook the minds and morals of everyone regarding alternative lifestyle tolerance, we might as well exercise the same toward other groups with somewhat "alternative" lifestyles such as criminal behavior, etc.

How and what we think as individuals are our God-given and government-protected right.

whatever the tradition, tolerance works
x

Don't spank, but zero tolerance for outright definance/talking back (sm)
I absolutely will not have my children talk bad or raise their voice at me. Ever. I do not tolerate it one bit. I do not spank them, because I want them to respect me because I am respectable and I am their mother, end of story. The times that my children have tried to test me and try my limits, I have put them in their place immediately. I get a big mean scary mom voice and tell them they will not EVER speak to me like that and they will go and stay in their room until they can come out and apologize, tell me what they did wrong, and behave appropriately. If they come out with the faintest hint of an attitude, I take them by the shoulders, turn them around and march them back to their room and forbid them to come out until they are willing to come out and be sorry. It really hurts their feelings to see me this upset with them because we usually have a really good relationship, so when I am that mad, they know they have done something wrong and they better straighten up.

Art - BFA -- I don't want to teach and it - sm
openings for art teachers are few as it is, also it is hard to support yourself as an artist unless you are really, really good, or really, really lucky.

what does he teach?
nm

webistes regarding what they teach..SM

http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=3367

http://www.usinkorea.org/issues/users/index.htm

http://international.ucla.edu/asia/article.asp?parentid=3367

http://freekorea.us/2005/11/07/the-excesses-of-an-extremist-south-korean-teachers-union-force-the-government-into-action-3/

Not so much our moms as we just try to teach
xx

Well, that'll really teach her...
A lesson won't it now? I mean being confined to a mansion with servants, cooks, etc., and nothing to do all day but swim, tan, whatever else she does...wow, talk about injustice...amazing

For me, it comes from not having anyone to teach you your worth when you are a kid (sm)
My husband was not nice even when we are dating. I had not been taught that I deserved to be treated with respect. Now you may say I am teaching my daughter the same thing - however, I'm not. I make sure that if she or my son see my husband treat me disrespectfully that I respond, in a respectful way to him that that is an inappropriate way for him to talk to me. I am still however, stuck with making a decision over what is better for the children. Sometimes these men who are bad husbands are not such bad fathers. It's a hard decision - not as easy as typing "just leave" on a message board.

Most people teach
their children Santa is an actual entity, not the spirit of Christmas.

My mom told me there was a St. Nicholas who gave to others and that "Santa" was just a way to replicate the wonderful intention of St. Nicholas.

Most people, including myself, lead their children to believe he is a real being, and it can be very disheartening when they find out it is not true.

Any thoughts on that specifically ... anyone?

Their parents don't teach them
and also, they don't get those classes at school. I guess also I was fortunate in that my mother was a tailor and dressmaker and I used to help her with finishing clothes; buttons, etc.

It is such a disposable society today also. If it is broken, don't fix it but toss it out and buy something new. With the economy the way it is, possibly that might change.

well I figure if I don't teach them sm
they won't get it when they have to get out in the real world. If they are not going to school and want to live with you why should you pay all their bills?

BTW, what I did was put half of what they gave me away and when they left home I had a nice little nest egg to give back to them to get them started. But they didn't know I was doing that until the time came for them to move out.

In this economy it is very expensive to pay for everyones groceries, laundry soap, etc. I think its a disservice not to require something. Maybe not half or even a quarter, but something! I don't want anyone to wind up like my niece at 45 with no responsibility at all and living off her widowed mother and her fixed income while making 30 bucks an hour herself plus overtime and spending it as fast as she can. Oh yes this is also in the state with the worst economy in the nation..Michigan! But then I guess she thinks she is entitled.

where I am they teach this class in 5th grade + up...
.

I think it is great to teach your kids
My daughter attended a school for special needs children as a mentor when she was 3 and 4-years-old. She loved it. The special needs children really responded to my daughter and she made great friends. What joy you and your daughter brought to this man's evening last night! After all, we all just want to be accepted no matter our religion, creed, etc. Thank you for sharing that nice story, and it sounds like your daughter has a caring/sharing heart!!! Bravo to her and you for raising up such a nice person, which is much, much needed in today's society!

They teach them to say that when their real little rednecks :-) (nm)
x

Her mother isn't too lazy to teach her better sm
Her mother is riding her coattails and loving the party life. Her mother is too messed up herself to teach her anything.

Trose, I don't believe in heaven, but I would teach SM
heaven to small children, until they are older and can grasp death in the reality of truth. Hmm,did that make any sense? It's late.

I teach English as a volunteer.
While there are immigrants here who do not choose to actively pursue learning the language via formal means, there are many who do. We have a waiting list of up to 12-14 months due to class space restrictions and a lack of volunteers. English is not an easy language to learn, and it takes time.

And if you open it up for her to teach them her way, then you are opening it up to all (sm)
That means people who are homophobic or racist can also teach children their point of view? There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

400 lines per hour? You need to teach me a few things! LOL nm
nm

I think you're terrible. Is this what you teach your children?
xx

Teach him the phrase, "Neither a borrower nor a
.

Not educational. This is something that should be the parents job to teach, not the school. sm
Besides, why should school children have a field trip to ANY wedding? What would people say if someone had a field trip to a church service? These are things that parents need to be able to teach their children when the time is right.

I am 31 and they didn't teach home ec in school...
We had college prep courses...Believe me, I wish I could sew as well...doesn't mean I can't learn now but no, I was never taught in school...

Send the police to his house, this will teach him
a lesson, it is harassment.

Good grief. Do parents not teach their
kids ANYTHING anymore?

So the 'right way' to parent is to teach your kids to hate.
nm

Happens a lot apparently
One time I bought a Coleman camp stove at Wal-Mart. Got to the camp site and went to set up my "kitchen area" and opened the box and SOMEONE'S OLD CAMP STOVE -- still with grease in it. I was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO mad.

When I got home I took it back to the store and asked to speak to the manager, explained the situation and they took it back.

I hope they believe you. It is a shame to have to live in a world with people who not only want to screw Wal-Mart but also their fellow consumers :(

Apparently so

I send my niece a birthday card with money in it every year. I always have to ask my brother if she received it or not. She doesn't even come to the phone and thank me for it, and he doesn't ask her to. That's why for a couple of years I quit sending it....but I figured hey, they can be rude but I'm not going to.

When my son graduated high school, he verbally thanked the people who were here who gave him gifts and/or money, and he either hand wrote (yes, I made him) or emailed distant relatives to thank them.

Oh, by the way - my brother hasn't sent my son a birthday present or card since he was about five years old. I love my brother dearly, but sometimes I just want to smack him.

Apparently not.
Looks like mod fixed it anyway:) Unbelievable that they have that much time on their hands....must be really boring over there:)

Though I am not apparently old enough
to be "older than dirt" I do remember quite a few of the things you mentioned.

Mostly because I grew up in a poor family, and because my grandparents raised me. Many of the things mentioned, they still had and used when I was little.

They lived in a very rural area, and believe it or not they still had a "party line" until the 80s!

My grandparents kept a lot of things even as they became obsolete. I think it was a great history lesson for me.

I remember by grandpa told me he bought a ཾ Chevy Impala brand new from the factory for $6000. That was the biggest amount he ever had paid for anything. He bought it that way of course because it was cheaper. It was even more discounted because back then you could buy a car without seatbelts installed. They were still in the box they came in and in the trunk of that car when he gave it to my uncle in 1989. The car was still in mint condition.

I remember when my brother turned 13 he got an 8-track tape player for his birthday. We thought that was state of the art. Back then I guess it was.

I still prefer a lot of old things. Did you notice that people just don't fix things anymore? We live in a disposable society nowadays and people act accordingly.

Apparently!
I'm from SE Pennsylvania about 50 MI W of Philly. I didn't think I had an accent at all, but on a trip to Alaska TWO different strangers were able to tell where I was from. One girl in Alaska said I sounded like her father who, as it turns out, lived in a town only 3-4 miles from where I was brought up. Another woman recognized it from living in another town only about 10 miles away.

And I don't sound like Philly, really! (At least I didn't think I did!) YO! ADRIAN!

you all should also teach your girls about their cycle and how ovulation coincides with timing for p
i truly believe if young girls know how to chart their cycles and that there was only that 3-4 day period a month that they could get pregnant, teenage pregnancy would drop. ovulation falls basically in the middle of the no period cycle, which is the time most girls would be more likely to have sex to start with thus why you hear of so many girls getting pregnant having sex only one time. face it, they are gonna do it so help teach them as a mother to chart their cycles, protect themselves, and avoid those few days.

I still think it should be the parents who teach the child these things, not the school's place.
Each child goes to school to learn facts. They learn their social skills, values, etc.at home and from friends that their parents allow them to associate with. The school is a public entity full of many INDIVIDUALS who all have different values and opinions. Teachers should not be teaching children their own personal values and should leave that to the parents.

If wanting to teach my son our own family values makes me a bigot..then so be it. sm
I will gladly wear that label. Flame away if you want.

I will NEVER let some school teacher try to foist her own opinions on my child. And to do this on school time??

The bible flat out says that man should not lie with man or woman with woman. If that school district is an example of what passes for family values in SF, no wonder Michael Savage calls it San Fran Sicko. I have to agree with him. Pretty dress or no pretty dress.

it's not illegal, but it's inappropriate & he shouldn't be allowed to teach anymore
x

yoga pants. I also teach kickboxing so that's pretty much my uniform. nm
nm

well I don't have snow, but apparently from the looks of it-
not much grass. This time of the year it is easy to tell that I have a bumper crop of wild onions and they are a lot higher than the grass that is greening up. I have daffodils, hyacinths and crocus. How long until you see green?

Apparently you are not tired enough of it
As you are still letting them out and expecting a different result. You can only truly control YOUR actions. Keep the cats inside.

Well apparently he does more than just dancin'!

Jumping Banana Skiing Banana Cheering Jumping Guitar

LOL

In charge of nothing, apparently.
That kind of power is too much for most people.

Statements from ones who know apparently not much about
the south. Her comment I do not consider a political one. She stated how we in the south have some sort of culture where dogfighting just goes hand and hand with being from the deep south. Where she ever got this idea- she is not from here and apparently has not been here much to have made such a statement. She tried to retract her statement about Vick but to me that was not the problem- if she wants to condone someone who would treat animals like that- her business- but we in the deep south really offended by people like Vick and her also.

Not taking up for her, but apparently being
mentally challenged, to her it was like when you see someone you know and popping them on the shoulder to say hi. Granted, she actually hit instead of a pop, but take into consideration her mental condition. She was not meaning to hurt you and I am glad it was only a bruise and nothing more serious. Hopefully, mgmt knew her and her family and will get in touch with them.

Apparently MS hasn't seen the Mac
commercial making fun of Vista.

apparently, you are not the problemo
http://www.epinions.com/review/Singer_1120/content_221960375940

Apparently you did not read all of her posts
either.

Missed a lot of the discussion apparently - sm
What I don't understand is where you get that all unwed mothers are drug addicts or alcoholics.

That is not true at all. Sure, it happens to some but for you to lump unwed mothers into that category is terrible.

You don't know my personal circumstances. I don't know yours.

I'm just saying that I would like to help others that are in the same situation I was in way back when. Hopefully I would be able to help them so they don't have the struggles that I had.

Thankfully, my child and I were never homeless but I worked my tail off to make sure that didn't happen. I sometimes worked 2-3 jobs.

I also worked my way through school. I didn't get hand outs, didn't expect them either but it really would have been wonderful if someone was there to guide me to the things that I needed to do. Maybe it wouldn't have taken me so long to get to where I needed to be.

Absolutely nothing is free in this world and that would not be the point.

However, this is a dream we are talking about right? This isn't about socioeconomic dysfunction. It's about someone wanting to help someone else.